Scottish Cup Final Build Up

[Brightside]

So how do we solve a problem like St Johnstone. A tight defensive team that doesn’t suit our traditional counter attacking style. If they play their 532 will we get much joy from Boyle and Doig out wide? Should we change formation? Should we go extra man in midfield? I can see us going 442 with Boyle playing more compact to create the overload on their 3 in the middle. I really don’t want to see the long balls into the channels as I reckon St J will love that. Our 2 up top should stop them playing out from the back, and force them into longer balls which we will handle without issue.

Going to be a interesting game but not the flowing football so many of us want to see.

[Jones28]

I think we stick with the formula that has worked well for us this season. Don’t overthink it - we will create chances and if we take them we will win the cup.

[truehibernian]

It's somewhat of a cliche but the first goal is oh so important next weekend. If we get it, St. Johnstone will have to come out a little and play more open. One thing they have been very good at is defending leads and working hard as a unit. We've created chances against them in every encounter so if our big players are firing I think we will take them this time around. There's been a steeliness the last three games and better defending. Players look focused and the fact we have so many players now got minutes on the pitch, there are options that can provide energy.

Difficult game, interesting to see how St. Johnstone prepare given their unfortunate Covid outbreak, They looked a bit leggy v Livingston having watched the game.

Tight game as they have all been this season, but the lads can do this :aok:

[JimBHibees]

It's somewhat of a cliche but the first goal is oh so important next weekend. If we get it, St. Johnstone will have to come out a little and play more open. One thing they have been very good at is defending leads and working hard as a unit. We've created chances against them in every encounter so if our big players are firing I think we will take them this time around. There's been a steeliness the last three games and better defending. Players look focused and the fact we have so many players now got minutes on the pitch, there are options that can provide energy.

Difficult game, interesting to see how St. Johnstone prepare given their unfortunate Covid outbreak, They looked a bit leggy v Livingston having watched the game.

Tight game as they have all been this season, but the lads can do this :aok:

Did Callum Booth go off injured? Heard he had but no idea if likely to rule him out. Given Tanser also out would be interesting if he was who would line up v Boyle.

[Sir David Gray]

Did Callum Booth go off injured? Heard he had but no idea if likely to rule him out. Given Tanser also out would be interesting if he was who would line up v Boyle.

He was apparently taken off as a precaution with a tight groin.

[truehibernian]

Did Callum Booth go off injured? Heard he had but no idea if likely to rule him out. Given Tanser also out would be interesting if he was who would line up v Boyle.

He did Jim. Wotherspoon looked jaded too have to say, but Livi stifled him. He's on good form lately and Saintees try and get it to him as often as possible to get deliveries into the box. McGinn will need to be on his toes and our midfield might have to man-mark him. Livi were actually the better side.

[JimBHibees]

He did Jim. Wotherspoon looked jaded too have to say, but Livi stifled him. He's on good form lately and Saintees try and get it to him as often as possible to get deliveries into the box. McGinn will need to be on his toes and our midfield might have to man-mark him. Livi were actually the better side.

Spoony is one of their biggest threats thought he was excellent in the semi final was also very good at ER in the 2 2 game. Need Gogic and other midfielders to be very aware and pick him up when they are in possession.

[Just Alf]

So how do we solve a problem like St Johnstone. A tight defensive team that doesn’t suit our traditional counter attacking style. If they play their 532 will we get much joy from Boyle and Doig out wide? Should we change formation? Should we go extra man in midfield? I can see us going 442 with Boyle playing more compact to create the overload on their 3 in the middle. I really don’t want to see the long balls into the channels as I reckon St J will love that. Our 2 up top should stop them playing out from the back, and force them into longer balls which we will handle without issue.

Going to be a interesting game but not the flowing football so many of us want to see.
I think we stick with the formula that has worked well for us this season. Don’t overthink it - we will create chances and if we take them we will win the cup.These 1st two posts of the thread reflect exactly my current thoughts, I just can't make my mind up!



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[Eyrie]

As has been said, the first goal is crucial.

If St Johnstone get it, they're extremely capable of holding a 1-0 lead for the rest of the game. Conversely if we get it, at some point they will be forced to start playing which opens them up to the counter.

For me the key will be speed of movement. We need to play in St Johnstone's half with players constantly moving into space and quick passes to drag St Johnstone's players out of position or to wear them down which will create gaps later. Shuttling the ball between defenders and midfielders inside our own half just takes the pace out of the game and allows them to retain their shape.

For that reason I'd prefer Hallberg to Newell. There is an argument for both at the expense of Gogic, but we need Gogic as he allows both full backs to move up and get involved supporting our attack.

[JimBHibees]

As has been said, the first goal is crucial.

If St Johnstone get it, they're extremely capable of holding a 1-0 lead for the rest of the game. Conversely if we get it, at some point they will be forced to start playing which opens them up to the counter.

For me the key will be speed of movement. We need to play in St Johnstone's half with players constantly moving into space and quick passes to drag St Johnstone's players out of position or to wear them down which will create gaps later. Shuttling the ball between defenders and midfielders inside our own half just takes the pace out of the game and allows them to retain their shape.

For that reason I'd prefer Hallberg to Newell. There is an argument for both at the expense of Gogic, but we need Gogic as he allows both full backs to move up and get involved supporting our attack.

Gogic is vital imo as we need to take care of Spoony and he is best suited to do so. I think we should just match up with them playing the system we have played predominantly all season. Defend set pieces much better and most importantly take our chances. Also not panic and change shape if we go behind. Trust what the plan is and stick with it.

[Crunchie]

So how do we solve a problem like St Johnstone. A tight defensive team that doesn’t suit our traditional counter attacking style. If they play their 532 will we get much joy from Boyle and Doig out wide? Should we change formation? Should we go extra man in midfield? I can see us going 442 with Boyle playing more compact to create the overload on their 3 in the middle. I really don’t want to see the long balls into the channels as I reckon St J will love that. Our 2 up top should stop them playing out from the back, and force them into longer balls which we will handle without issue.

Going to be a interesting game but not the flowing football so many of us want to see.
In Jack we trust, unlike the LC semi if we take our chances we win imo. That is if your pal and the rest of the defence do their bit :aok:

[Billy Whizz]

Great idea from Saints

https://www.perthstjohnstonefc.co.uk/news/article/cup-final-food-packages

[Just Alf]

Great idea from Saints

https://www.perthstjohnstonefc.co.uk/news/article/cup-final-food-packagesNo sure our normal catering would tempt me that much!


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[Moulin Yarns]

Great idea from Saints

https://www.perthstjohnstonefc.co.uk/news/article/cup-final-food-packages

OH, I'm tempted (only 28 miles from McDairmid Park :wink: )

I might even order a box of pies and turn up in a Hibs top :greengrin

[Billy Whizz]

No sure our normal catering would tempt me that much!


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Maybe we could have tied up with the likes of Bains
So many delivery options nowadays

[Just Alf]

Maybe we could have tied up with the likes of Bains
So many delivery options nowadaysTrue... when I wasn't working from home half my lunches were bought there :agree

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[Moulin Yarns]

Great idea from Saints

https://www.perthstjohnstonefc.co.uk/news/article/cup-final-food-packages

Just showed it to my better half. She thinks it's a great idea. I'll be ordering a box of pies, and picking up on Friday in a Hibs top. 😁

[mim]

Great idea from Saints

https://www.perthstjohnstonefc.co.uk/news/article/cup-final-food-packages

AVG won't let me access that site, says

Infected with URL lotBotnet

Whatever that is.

[Moulin Yarns]

AVG won't let me access that site, says

Infected with URL lotBotnet

Whatever that is.

6 pies for £12 and some cupcakes, 12 with the starting 11 photos or 6 blue and white ones.


I'm going for the pies, apart from the macaroni one if I don't want to throw up. (long story)

[Just Alf]

Just showed it to my better half. She thinks it's a great idea. I'll be ordering a box of pies, and picking up on Friday in a Hibs top. [emoji16]Awesome!


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[hibbysam]

Score early. Will take them to bits if we do that in my opinion.

[Brightside]

I’ll also be getting in a dozen half time pies. Where is the best place now on the east side of the city?

[Sean1875]

This is going to be such a long week. 5 to 10 on Monday morning and im already overthinking everything about Saturday!

[SHODAN]

It'll be fine

[scm70nyd1973]

OH, I'm tempted (only 28 miles from McDairmid Park :wink: )

I might even order a box of pies and turn up in a Hibs top :greengrin

See you there - I’m only 10 miles away from their stadium 😁

[GreenNWhiteArmy]

The win over Aberdeen gives me more confidence. That was a massive game, especially so soon after the semi. Both of which had monumental pressure on us imo

Boyle plays well and we'll win. Said it for weeks, he's due a stormer at the national stadium. Appreciate it's not just that simple, we need to deal with their aerial threat better this time and cut out the mistakes.

It's got an air of 2016 about it. Heartache at the national stadium months before, redemption in May

[PatHead]

Got to defend their crosses better than we did in the League Cup semi as well. Particularly Rooney.

However I really believe that if our big players turn up we will win.

[badabing67]

Great idea from Saints

https://www.perthstjohnstonefc.co.uk/news/article/cup-final-food-packages

They already know their starting 11 !

" Our Scottish Cup Heroes cake box will feature 12 Cupcakes decorated with edible photos of the starting 11, plus our star man Glenn Middleton. "

[Moulin Yarns]

They already know their starting 11 !

" Our Scottish Cup Heroes cake box will feature 12 Cupcakes decorated with edible photos of the starting 11, plus our star man Glenn Middleton. "

That's possible because they won't be available until Friday so easy to stick the faces on last minute.

[Pagan Hibernia]

Nerves kicking in. I can think of little else.

fortunately my boss already knows he’s not gonna get a single decent day’s work out of me this week.

[Brightside]

Fraser Murray back in the training bubble in todays pics, and one of the dev boys wearing no.17. Not sure who it is. (It will be the new winger!)

[AlanGF69]

Only 5 days to go...

My take on this upcoming final is that I think it is very important for us to score first. Defensively, St Johnstone are pretty strong, and if we get the first goal, then I would be fully confident of a win. However, if they take the lead, it'll be a lot tougher.

:flag:

[Billy Whizz]

Fraser Murray back in the training bubble in todays pics, and one of the dev boys wearing no.17. Not sure who it is. (It will be the new winger!)

Ryan Shanley too, thought he was at Finn Harps

[Brightside]

Ryan Shanley too, thought he was at Finn Harps

He came back a week or so past.

[Billy Whizz]

He came back a week or so past.

Any idea why

[scoopyboy]

Ryan Shanley too, thought he was at Finn Harps

He's been coming on as a sub in most games Billy but I did notice he wasn't in the squad for the last three games.

Hasn't done much of note to be honest and it wouldn't surprise me if the loan was cancelled. I watched the Finn Harps games and he struggled, pity his spell at Kelty Hearts was cut short.

[bigwheel]

He's been coming on as a sub in most games Billy but I did notice he wasn't in the squad for the last three games.

Hasn't done much of note to be honest and it wouldn't surprise me if the loan was cancelled. I watched the Finn Harps games and he struggled, pity his spell at Kelty Hearts was cut short.

Loan was cancelled. Announced by them last week....


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[Billy Whizz]

Loan was cancelled. Announced by them last week....


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Must have missed that thanks
Maybe didn’t settle

[JeMeSouviens]

Just noticed in an article online it's a 2pm ko.

Could easily have missed the first half there. Why's it not at 3? :dunno:

[nonshinyfinish]

Just noticed in an article online it's a 2pm ko.

Could easily have missed the first half there. Why's it not at 3? :dunno:

I assume Premier Sports wanted it on earlier – according to their schedule they have Real Madrid v Villareal from 5:15, so if a 3 pm kick-off went to penalties it would run into that.

[K-Zazu]

I assume Premier Sports wanted it on earlier – according to their schedule they have Real Madrid v Villareal from 5:15, so if a 3 pm kick-off went to penalties it would run into that.

Couldn’t they just put it on Premier sports 2?

[nonshinyfinish]

Couldn’t they just put it on Premier sports 2?

I guess. But when the question is "why isn't this game at the normal time?", the answer is almost always "tv company".

[Since90+2]

The Celtic Hearts final in December wasn't at 3pm either, that kicked off at 2.15pm.

[Billy Whizz]

Just noticed in an article online it's a 2pm ko.

Could easily have missed the first half there. Why's it not at 3? :dunno:

I’m fine with this, 3pm when you are going to the final is perfect though

[Tambo]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/av/football/57163577

Good little interview with Doig. Says training was impressive and the boys are ready to go.

Also says was on trial at St Johnstone and Dunfermline before he picked Hibs.

[JammyDoidger]

It's St.Johnstone we are playing, out fight them and our class will shine. Get into them.

[calumhibee1]

Is there a way to record Sportsound commentary for Saturday? Always wish there had been a recording of 21/5/16 to hear again

[JeMeSouviens]

Is there a way to record Sportsound commentary for Saturday? Always wish there had been a recording of 21/5/16 to hear again

Audacity? You’d probably have to manually start and stop it though.

[hibbysam]

Is there a way to record Sportsound commentary for Saturday? Always wish there had been a recording of 21/5/16 to hear again

I’m sure there was commentary going about from that day, almost certain I listened to it but I’d be lying if I said I could remember where.

[Broken Gnome]

Is there a way to record Sportsound commentary for Saturday? Always wish there had been a recording of 21/5/16 to hear again

Depends where you're watching the game I guess, but I think if you start the radio stream on the BBC live text page and pause it, then as long as you keep the page open you can return to it later. Even if the coverage ends. Fairly sure that happened have gone to a midweek derby and returned to it much later.

[gbhibby]

Audacity? You’d probably have to manually start and stop it though.
There is off the ball before and after match stuff from 2016 barlos the hibby cat channel. Not found actual game commentary

[JimBHibees]

Is there a way to record Sportsound commentary for Saturday? Always wish there had been a recording of 21/5/16 to hear again

Regarding 2016 ping an email to the BBC sports department they may be able to send you a copy of the programme or provide a link. Might get lucky

They usually have their programmes on their site that you can playback for a week.

Link

https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p02nrsc7/episodes/downloads

[Moulin Yarns]

Is there a way to record Sportsound commentary for Saturday? Always wish there had been a recording of 21/5/16 to hear again

If you have a sky box (other recording devices are available) you can record Sportsound as you would a TV program.

[calumhibee1]

https://open.spotify.com/episode/1SX0mdhrvA5hLg5QGFm8I1?si=oXPtfeulT6Kjl63jrDAZ2w&context=spotify%3Ashow%3A3mu3ponUrXByz13K1nuYcX

Stubbs talking about 2016 and Saturday

[Since452]

This game really is difficult to call. Two good, fit, well organised teams. St Johnstone cup specialists who have had us in their back pocket recently. Hibs the 3rd best team in Scotland over the course of the league season. Very interesting match up.

[Moulin Yarns]

OH, I'm tempted (only 28 miles from McDairmid Park :wink: )

I might even order a box of pies and turn up in a Hibs top :greengrin

Ordered a box of pies :greengrin

[Billy Whizz]

I’m sure there was commentary going about from that day, almost certain I listened to it but I’d be lying if I said I could remember where.

http://www.scorepredict.com/cupfinal/audio.html

Not full commentary, but podcast of Off the ball, before and after, and 48 mins of the game

[Glory Lurker]

Weather forecast for Saturday has improved.