2016 cup final team vs 2021 cup final team

[H18 SFR]

Who wins and why?

[calumhibee1]

2016 for me. A superior midfield, peak SDG, McGregor and Stevenson.

Not masses in it but I reckon they have a John McGinns massive arse shaped edge.

[Bristolhibby]

Flip it on its head a bit.

2016 Huns v 2021 St Johnstone?

J

[nonshinyfinish]

2016 for me. A superior midfield, peak SDG, McGregor and Stevenson.

Not masses in it but I reckon they have a John McGinns massive arse shaped edge.

I agree with that – also assuming we're talking about the 21st of May utterly unplayable version of Stokes, rather than an averaged out version representative of him that season.

[calumhibee1]

Flip it on its head a bit.

2016 Huns v 2021 St Johnstone?

J

2016 Huns. Whilst not a great team they’d have got top 3 in the top tier that season imo

[G15 Hibs]

Or - team that finished 3rd in the Championship v team that finished 3rd in the Premiership

[Diclonius]

2016 hands down. Only players likely to start who would be superior to their 2016 counterparts would be Boyle, Doig and Nisbet.

[Brightside]

One was a championship team.

[Stairway 2 7]

John mcginn...

[calumhibee1]

One was a championship team.

Did Championship teams not beat Premiership teams? I could have sworn they did..

[Since452]

A team that finished 3rd in the Championship v team that finished 3rd in the Premiership. I'd go for the 2021 team.

[Pagan Hibernia]

Did Championship teams not beat Premiership teams? I could have sworn they did..

it can happen.

championship teams can also lose to Highland league teams. Or so I’ve heard.

[Pretty Boy]

Goalkeers: Logan v Macey:

Logan was a hero for that semi final but beyond that he was bang average. There's a reason Lennon had his heart set on a new keeper. Let's call this one a draw as neither played a lot of games for us. 2016 0 v 0 2021

Centre backs: McGinn, Porteous, Hanlon v Fontaine, McGregor and Hanlon:

Tough one. My gut instinct is to say that 2016 was better but when you look at our defensive record this season in the top flight I'm not sure that stands up to scrutiny. For that reason I'm giving it to 2021. 2016 0 v 1 2021.

Wing backs: Gray and Stevenson v Boyle and Doig

Another tough one but again the attacking intent and defensive record of the current crop is better so I'm giving it to them. 2016 0 v 2 2021.

Midfield 3: McGinn, Fyvie, McGeouch v Newell, Gogic and Irvine.

The clearest cut of the 3 for me. I like our current midfield but 2016 was a special trio and 2 of the 3 proved it in the top flight, and beyond for one of them, as well. 2016 1 v 2 2021.

Strikers: Cummings and Stokes v Doidge and Nisbet. A clear cut win for the 2021 vintage for me. Stokes was imperious in the final but beyond that he was pretty inconsistent. Certainly not the Stokes of his first spell. Nisbet is a better player at this level than Cummings. 2016 1 v 3 2021

Subs bench: I think we had a bit more strength in depth in 2016. Henderson, Gunnarson, Keatings, Boyle were all solid options of the bench. I think Murphy is arguably the only game changer on our current bench.

Final score and in no way fixed at all. 2016 2 v 3 2021. Be a good game to watch.

[danhibees1875]

Logan (banter)
SDG(16) McG(16) Hanlon(either) Stevenson(sentiment)
McGinn Gogic Newall
Boyle(21) Doidge Stokes

Not that a combined team was even the question.

[Since452]

Goalkeers: Logan v Macey:

Logan was a hero for that semi final but beyond that he was bang average. There's a reason Lennon had his heart set on a new keeper. Let's call this one a draw as neither played a lot of games for us. 2016 0 v 0 2021

Centre backs: McGinn, Porteous, Hanlon v Fontaine, McGregor and Hanlon:

Tough one. My gut instinct is to say that 2016 was better but when you look at our defensive record this season in the top flight I'm not sure that stands up to scrutiny. For that reason I'm giving it to 2021. 2016 0 v 1 2021.

Wing backs: Gray and Stevenson v Boyle and Doig

Another tough one but again the attacking intent and defensive record of the current crop is better so I'm giving it to them. 2016 0 v 2 2021.

Midfield 3: McGinn, Fyvie, McGeouch v Newell, Gogic and Irvine.

The clearest cut of the 3 for me. I like our current midfield but 2016 was a special trio and 2 of the 3 proved it in the top flight, and beyond for one of them, as well. 2016 1 v 2 2021.

Strikers: Cummings and Stokes v Doidge and Nisbet. A clear cut win for the 2021 vintage for me. Stokes was imperious in the final but beyond that he was pretty inconsistent. Certainly not the Stokes of his first spell. Nisbet is a better player at this level than Cummings. 2016 1 v 3 2021

Subs bench: I think we had a bit more strength in depth in 2016. Henderson, Gunnarson, Keatings, Boyle were all solid options of the bench. I think Murphy is arguably the only game changer on our current bench.

Final score and in no way fixed at all. 2016 2 v 3 2021. Be a good game to watch.

Brilliant summary and 100% agree. A combined side would take some beating though.

[Sir David Gray]

Based on how Stokes played that day (best individual performance I've ever seen from a Hibs player) and the fact it included John McGinn, it has to be 2016.

John McGinn alone would probably be enough for me to give it to that team - what a player.

[StockholmHibs]

2016 were a better team hands down.
However that doesn't mean they would beat this team in a final.

[Stairway 2 7]

I'd be more nervous facing either side than facing St j, although still nervous facing them

[hibbysam]

2016 hands down. Only players likely to start who would be superior to their 2016 counterparts would be Boyle, Doig and Nisbet.

Macey would be in the sticks. Porteous over Fontaine and Newell over Fyvie.

[jeffers]

2016 team for me, you could make a case for players from both but for me 2016 had that ability to come back when they were behind, something the current side struggles to do.

[JeMeSouviens]

Flip it on its head a bit.

2016 Huns v 2021 St Johnstone?

J

St Johnstone. The 2016 Sevco were exactly what St J are best at playing against. Lots of possession, not much cutting edge and hopeless at defending set pieces!

[Squealing pig]

If stokes played like that we’d have gave any team a game , if he wasn’t up for it I’ll go for 2021 team

[Shrekko]

It’s a great question and you do wonder how that 2016 team manages to be behind Falkirk in the league and lose to them in a play-off?

I think 2021 as a whole are slightly better man for man but the John McGinn factor is hard to get away from and our midfield then was really good in games like that.

There’s not a lot in it.

[Baader]

Goalkeers: Logan v Macey:

Logan was a hero for that semi final but beyond that he was bang average. There's a reason Lennon had his heart set on a new keeper. Let's call this one a draw as neither played a lot of games for us. 2016 0 v 0 2021

Centre backs: McGinn, Porteous, Hanlon v Fontaine, McGregor and Hanlon:

Tough one. My gut instinct is to say that 2016 was better but when you look at our defensive record this season in the top flight I'm not sure that stands up to scrutiny. For that reason I'm giving it to 2021. 2016 0 v 1 2021.

Wing backs: Gray and Stevenson v Boyle and Doig

Another tough one but again the attacking intent and defensive record of the current crop is better so I'm giving it to them. 2016 0 v 2 2021.

Midfield 3: McGinn, Fyvie, McGeouch v Newell, Gogic and Irvine.

The clearest cut of the 3 for me. I like our current midfield but 2016 was a special trio and 2 of the 3 proved it in the top flight, and beyond for one of them, as well. 2016 1 v 2 2021.

Strikers: Cummings and Stokes v Doidge and Nisbet. A clear cut win for the 2021 vintage for me. Stokes was imperious in the final but beyond that he was pretty inconsistent. Certainly not the Stokes of his first spell. Nisbet is a better player at this level than Cummings. 2016 1 v 3 2021

Subs bench: I think we had a bit more strength in depth in 2016. Henderson, Gunnarson, Keatings, Boyle were all solid options of the bench. I think Murphy is arguably the only game changer on our current bench.

Final score and in no way fixed at all. 2016 2 v 3 2021. Be a good game to watch.

Excellent comparison. Agree with all of that and yeah it would be a cracking game. 👍

[matty_f]

2016 was the best team ever (not just best Hibs team, the actual best team ever) :greengrin inho.

2021 team will go level if we win next weekend.

[Since452]

Going against the grain here it seems but I think the 2021 team are far better than the 2016 team. They finished behind Falkirk in the Championship.

A 2021 team against Lennon's 4th place Premiership team would be a better match up, they would also beat the 2016 team imo.

[MWHIBBIES]

It’s a great question and you do wonder how that 2016 team manages to be behind Falkirk in the league and lose to them in a play-off?

I think 2021 as a whole are slightly better man for man but the John McGinn factor is hard to get away from and our midfield then was really good in games like that.

There’s not a lot in it.

Injuries is how. Key players missed huge chunks and we went on a bad run when 3/4 got injured.

2016 wins for the midfield. Fyvie, mcgeouch and Mcginn were different class.

[JeMeSouviens]

Injuries is how. Key players missed huge chunks and we went on a bad run when 3/4 got injured.

2016 wins for the midfield. Fyvie, mcgeouch and Mcginn were different class.

:agree:

We didn't have the squad to cope with the league plus playoffs plus 2 long cup runs. But they came good when it mattered most.

[Pretty Boy]

:agree:

We didn't have the squad to cope with the league plus playoffs plus 2 long cup runs. But they came good when it mattered most.

I think we were neck and neck with Rangers in the league until just after Christmas. Then the games and injuries piled up and we collapsed in the league.

It's a bizarre thing to say considering we finished 3rd in the Championship but both ourselves and Rangers would have been top 6 Premiership teams that season, comfortably.

[Eyrie]

Stokes on his 21/05/16 form would beat the entire 2021 team on his own.

Other than that, I like PB's analysis giving a slight edge to 2021.

[MWHIBBIES]

I think we were neck and neck with Rangers in the league until just after Christmas. Then the games and injuries piled up and we collapsed in the league.

It's a bizarre thing to say considering we finished 3rd in the Championship but both ourselves and Rangers would have been top 6 Premiership teams that season, comfortably.

That Rangers team were seriously bad at defending though. Horrendous at crosses and set plays, they would've lost a lot of games in the prem then IMO. We were genuinely better than them I think, they just had a deeper squad, less injuries and record breaking penalty numbers.

[21.05.2016]

The 2016 team had the best midfield in the country outside of Celtic at the time IMO and probably had more strength in depth on the bench than the current team. However, I think our forwards are better now.

[Viva_Palmeiras]

Would Gogic manage to subdue SJM? Who would handle Stokes?

it’s interesting SJM will to win is unparalleled IMO. But I think in the last few games we’ve seen a quiet determination from this team - perhaps more difficult to sense because we’re not in the ground. But this team is hopefully hitting form at just the right time.

I do not think it’s clear cut but 2016 edge it.

[NAE NOOKIE]

The 2016 team ... not a huge amount in it, but we certainly don't have a SJM in this team and I think the 2016 team perhaps had a better team spirit, at times a special team spirit. If you look at the 2016 final even though Stokes rightly hogged the headlines along with SDG we won that game on the back of a battling team performance where everybody played their part ... I would love to see the 2021 version replicate that team performance next week.

[Allez Hibs]

2016 team all day long. Proper attacking Hibs team with quality and depth. Best midfield in the country at the time. Stokes and Cummings up front, plenty of goals.

[ABZHFC]

2016 team for me, not least because they knocked out top flight teams on six separate occasions in both the cups. Three of them - Aberdeen, Hearts and St Johnstone - were top four sides too

[Greenbeard]

A team that finished 3rd in the Championship v team that finished 3rd in the Premiership. I'd go for the 2021 team.
Even my jambo supporting pal said Hibs 2016/17 were the 3rd best team in the country irrespective of what league we were in.

[Tom Hart RIP]

First Hampden Hibs game I’ve missed since 1960s was last week. I accept no chance of getting to the final. I’d be happy to see the 300 distributed to players and staff.

[Tom Hart RIP]

Oops wrong thread

[Hillsidehibby]

Anthony Stokes. Close thread.

[1875Sean]

2016 team all day long, don’t think it would be that close to be honest

[Steve20]

2016 team. Not even close.

[1van Sprou7e]

On a big occasion the 2016 team wins but averaged out over a season we've got a better side now

[heretoday]

2016 team. Not even close.

Agreed! With the likes of John McGinn and Stokes on board it's a no-brainer.

[Alfred E Newman]

On a big occasion the 2016 team wins but averaged out over a season we've got a better side now

Don't forget that the 2016 team lost to Falkirk 7 days before the final. Stokes was outstanding in the final but overall he was more miss than hit.

[Since452]

One of the few games I'd be mildly confident of Hibs winning

[Greenbeard]

One of the few games I'd be mildly confident of Hibs winning
But still a nervy final 5 minutes!