JR questioning the lack of fans at games

[calumhibee1]

Hibs boss Jack Ross says he has been baffled by the ongoing reluctance to open stadium turnstiles to fans and is surprised that there’s not been more lobbying to allow reduced capacity crowds to see out the season.

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/hibs/hibs-boss-jack-ross-makes-scottish-cup-final-fans-plea-we-seem-to-have-taken-our-foot-off-the-accelerator-3227432%3famp

You’re not wrong there Jack in the Evening News. Unfortunately there seems to inexplicably be absolutely no appetite in this country to allow it to happen between Scot Gov and SFA/SPFL.

I honestly wouldn’t be surprised if we’re still fully behind closed doors come August.

[Allez Hibs]

Especially for the showpiece Hampden games, you'd think a percentage of fans could attend.

They were talking on Five Live last night about the All England Champions League Final and if there is a case to just play it in England given the circumstances.

[green day]

Cant disagree with anything he says.

[AugustaHibs]

about time all players, managers, clubs and SFA/SPFL start putting real pressure on the gov

[Danderhall Hibs]

It’s a strange one - there was a lot of noise a while back. Even had a couple of chairmen calling the decision a political decision, now they’re all back in their box - maybe they’re finding it’s more efficient and profitable to run without fans.

[marinello59]

about time all players, managers, clubs and SFA/SPFL start putting real pressure on the gov

Surely the fans have potentially the loudest voice and so far it’s been pretty muted.

[CapitalGreen]

Were Hearts approached about Tynecastle hosting the final?

[calumhibee1]

Were Hearts approached about Tynecastle hosting the final?

Apparently yes.

[LeithMike]

Good for JR. The Courts have already found that the measures that were in place in Scotland to be disproportionate and unlawful in the context of churches which suggests that some form of restricted crowd for the final should be permitted.

Why there is no appetite for this is quite astonishing and the lack of representative bodies speaking out against the ban on fans (however this has actually been effected) shows a clear lack of effective representation for both the clubs and fans.

What on earth are the SFA doing? Have they sacrificed the Scottish Cup Final to do a deal on fans for the Euros?

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[Blaster]

I think he makes a valid point. However if no fans for the remainder of this season means we can get all our season ticket holders in for the first league game next season I’d take that

[Onion]

Apparently yes.

Which may suggest the gov was open to having some fans at the Final, but it's the lack of alt to Hampden that's scuppered it. Whatever the case, the SFA have cocked this up as they do so many things. Can guarantee, if clubs were in financial jeopardy the SFA would have been all over the gov like a rash about this. Also, the time to put pressure on the SNP would have been before the election, not after it.

The folk in football who have lost out the most during this pandemic are certainly the fans, and we don't appear to have anyone acting as our voice or champion.

[Allez Hibs]

What on earth are the SFA doing? Have they sacrificed the Scottish Cup Final to do a deal on fans for the Euros?

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Seems to be exactly that.

[Jones28]

Theres no argument for not doing it anymore. I've been very much in the camp of Scot Gov throughout but with the numbers we are seeing now it seems daft not to allow people in to games akin to what they were able to do at Ross County under the tiers system.

[CapitalGreen]

Apparently yes.

Sounds like some appetite exists then. I imagine any potential final venue will depend on results this weekend. If Hibs were to lose tomorrow, Easter Road could potentially be used as a final venue, if Hibs win does Parkhead or Ibrox then become the best option for the final perhaps?

[Jones28]

Which may suggest the gov was open to having some fans at the Final, but it's the lack of alt to Hampden that's scuppered it. Whatever the case, the SFA have cocked this up as they do so many things. Can guarantee, if clubs were in financial jeopardy the SFA would have been all over the gov like a rash about this. Also, the time to put pressure on the SNP would have been before the election, not after it.

The folk in football who have lost out the most during this pandemic are certainly the fans, and we don't appear to have anyone acting as our voice or champion.


If this is the case it's utterly pathetic from the governing body. If you allowed for 10% of the capacity of Hampden (5200?) you could have that number safely at near enough every top flight ground, and even some championship teams.

[calumhibee1]

Sounds like some appetite exists then. I imagine any potential final venue will depend on results this weekend. If Hibs were to lose tomorrow, Easter Road could potentially be used as a final venue, if Hibs win does Parkhead or Ibrox then become the best option for the final perhaps?

I suppose a very slight appetite (if it’s even true, I’m sure it was hearts who were saying they said no).

The SFA have claimed they’ve exhausted all options and there’ll absolutely be no fans, have they not?

It should be a case of making it happen for the SFA and Scot Gov. Instead I’m sure it’ll be the case that the easy option isn’t possible so we’ll just give up.

[calumhibee1]

Theres no argument for not doing it anymore. I've been very much in the camp of Scot Gov throughout but with the numbers we are seeing now it seems daft not to allow people in to games akin to what they were able to do at Ross County under the tiers system.

:agree:

There could easily be 3 or 4 thousand at Easter Road for the Celtic game.

There should be a massive effort to get the final into Murrayfield with 10k or so fans.

Unfortunately I very much doubt anyone that has the power is arsed enough to try everything to make it happen.

[Sean1875]

Were Hearts approached about Tynecastle hosting the final?

Can you imagine we won the cup at Tynie? Genuinely stuff of dreams that :faf:

[bingo70]

I suppose a very slight appetite (if it’s even true, I’m sure it was hearts who were saying they said no).

The SFA have claimed they’ve exhausted all options and there’ll absolutely be no fans, have they not?

It should be a case of making it happen for the SFA and Scot Gov. Instead I’m sure it’ll be the case that the easy option isn’t possible so we’ll just give up.

The suggestion was that as Hampden, ibrox, parkhead and tynecastle were unavailable there was no other options.

I don’t see why Easter Road, pittodrie or even Tannadice couldn’t be considered? Failing that one of the stadiums in the north east of England.

Lack of interest in getting some fans back in for the final has been shocking. They could even have labelled it as a trial event which would have helped us getting bigger numbers in for the start of next season.

[calumhibee1]

The suggestion was that as Hampden, ibrox, parkhead and tynecastle were unavailable there was no other options.

I don’t see why Easter Road, pittodrie or even Tannadice couldn’t be considered? Failing that one of the stadiums in the north east of England.

Lack of interest in getting some fans back in for the final has been shocking. They could even have labelled it as a trial event which would have helped us getting bigger numbers in for the start of next season.

Yup. Where there’s a will there’s a way. Unfortunately I’d suggest there’s not nearly enough will.

Interesting that we’re now at the stage of people involved in football (like Ross) saying similar.

[JimBHibees]

Good for JR. The Courts have already found that the measures that were in place in Scotland to be disproportionate and unlawful in the context of churches which suggests that some form of restricted crowd for the final should be permitted.

Why there is no appetite for this is quite astonishing and the lack of representative bodies speaking out against the ban on fans (however this has actually been effected) shows a clear lack of effective representation for both the clubs and fans.

What on earth are the SFA doing? Have they sacrificed the Scottish Cup Final to do a deal on fans for the Euros?

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Personally think that is exactly what has happened. No doubt on the back of the behaviour of The fans when they won the league

[1van Sprou7e]

The play off finals have been shifted back so that 500 fans can attend (expected to become legal on the 17th)

I assume this means some fans will be allowed to attend the Scottish cup final

[marinello59]

The play off finals have been shifted back so that 500 fans can attend (expected to become legal on the 17th)

I assume this means some fans will be allowed to attend the Scottish cup final

Fans won’t be allowed in to Hampden as it is getting ready to host the Euros. And there is zero chance of it being moved elsewhere.

[1van Sprou7e]

Fans won’t be allowed in to Hampden as it is getting ready to host the Euros. And there is zero chance of it being moved elsewhere.

Yeah seems you're right, how ridiculous

[Sir David Gray]

Already replied to the post on the Covid thread but will do so again. For some reason there seems to be an acceptance that we'll see this season out without any fans in attendance.

For me those in power should be doing everything possible to allow the maximum number of people permitted under the guidelines into the few remaining games of this season which are played after 17th May.

Sadly there does not appear to be any appetite for that to happen.

[green day]

Already replied to the post on the Covid thread but will do so again. For some reason there seems to be an acceptance that we'll see this season out without any fans in attendance.

For me those in power should be doing everything possible to allow the maximum number of people permitted under the guidelines into the few remaining games of this season which are played after 17th May.

Sadly there does not appear to be any appetite for that to happen.

Part of me agrees with you, but.............playing devils avodaco -

There are so few matches left in the league this season that to arrange a test event then do a ballot / determine who can get in / arrange cleaning / staff / security etc etc is probably logistically tricky and (dare I say it) financially unpalatable for the larger clubs.

That leaves the Scottish Cup Final - Again, if it is diddy clubs like St J and Dundee Utd, they could probably get all their ST holders into Easter Road no bother..................but if Hibs get there?

Where do we play, and would people be happy to lose out on a final ticket to allow me in :greengrin?

I would love to be back in, but I reckon that we might be stuffed til the new season.

[Not In The Know]

Were Hearts approached about Tynecastle hosting the final?

They can **** right off i they expect a national final to be played on a pitch thats not even compliant for a full international.

[CapitalGreen]

They can **** right off i they expect a national final to be played on a pitch thats not even compliant for a full international.

Hearts already rejected the request.

[LeithMike]

Personally think that is exactly what has happened. No doubt on the back of the behaviour of The fans when they won the leagueI suspect so too. Regardless, this could really backfire (particulalrly if it is Hibs who win the Cup). If the SG and SFA had done all they can to ensure fans can attend safely then I think most fans would probably seek to enjoy any Cup win safely and responsibly.

By not doing anything to help this then they are not getting the fans to buy in to their approach. This could clearly alienate fans leading to non-compliance with any "guidance" in any ensuing celebrations.

That is poor governance at any level.

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[Sir David Gray]

Part of me agrees with you, but.............playing devils avodaco -

There are so few matches left in the league this season that to arrange a test event then do a ballot / determine who can get in / arrange cleaning / staff / security etc etc is probably logistically tricky and (dare I say it) financially unpalatable for the larger clubs.

That leaves the Scottish Cup Final - Again, if it is diddy clubs like St J and Dundee Utd, they could probably get all their ST holders into Easter Road no bother..................but if Hibs get there?

Where do we play, and would people be happy to lose out on a final ticket to allow me in :greengrin?

I would love to be back in, but I reckon that we might be stuffed til the new season.

It won't affect the league season as the final round of matches are played before 17th May so the matches involved in this would be the Scottish Cup final or, more realistically, the play off finals.

I think seeing some fans return before the end of the season, even if it's only for a match or two and even if the number of fans allowed is miniscule, it will give everyone a massive lift and give people some confidence to go out and buy season tickets for next season with some positivity to look forward to next season starting with more fans returning.

[Moulin Yarns]

The play off finals have been shifted back so that 500 fans can attend (expected to become legal on the 17th)

I assume this means some fans will be allowed to attend the Scottish cup final

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/56998512

[Moulin Yarns]

Part of me agrees with you, but.............playing devils avodaco -

There are so few matches left in the league this season that to arrange a test event then do a ballot / determine who can get in / arrange cleaning / staff / security etc etc is probably logistically tricky and (dare I say it) financially unpalatable for the larger clubs.

That leaves the Scottish Cup Final - Again, if it is diddy clubs like St J and Dundee Utd, they could probably get all their ST holders into Easter Road no bother..................but if Hibs get there?

Where do we play, and would people be happy to lose out on a final ticket to allow me in :greengrin?

I would love to be back in, but I reckon that we might be stuffed til the new season.

Devil's avocado. 🤣

I've always thought they were the food of the devil 👍

[ancient hibee]

As always the SFA and the SPFL get all the flak but I don’t see any member clubs putting any pressure on them to get fans in.Hibs appear to have no view.

[green day]

Devil's avocado. 🤣

I've always thought they were the food of the devil 👍

Love them, I make my own guacamole to go with fajitas or (tonights choice) Chilli.

Arriba........or somethng

[dalkeith stu]

Already replied to the post on the Covid thread but will do so again. For some reason there seems to be an acceptance that we'll see this season out without any fans in attendance.

For me those in power should be doing everything possible to allow the maximum number of people permitted under the guidelines into the few remaining games of this season which are played after 17th May.

Sadly there does not appear to be any appetite for that to happen.

Was never going to happen unless stadiums were fully opened. Clubs already have the cash from season tickets so unless walk ups are allowed they will lose money on hosting games with restricted crowds.

[calumhibee1]

As always the SFA and the SPFL get all the flak but I don’t see any member clubs putting any pressure on them to get fans in.Hibs appear to have no view.

The SFA is a members organisation so the clubs are equally complicit imo.

As others have said, I’d suspect they’d rather not have fans in for financial reasons which is shocking if the case.

[lord bunberry]

The fans will be out on the streets no matter who wins the cup. If it’s hibs the fans will all head round to the stadium or maybe the links. I’ll probably be one of them.

[The Modfather]

I suspect so too. Regardless, this could really backfire (particulalrly if it is Hibs who win the Cup). If the SG and SFA had done all they can to ensure fans can attend safely then I think most fans would probably seek to enjoy any Cup win safely and responsibly.

By not doing anything to help this then they are not getting the fans to buy in to their approach. This could clearly alienate fans leading to non-compliance with any "guidance" in any ensuing celebrations.

That is poor governance at any level.

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I’m not so sure fans being at the final or anything those in charge do would have much impact on folk choosing to be selfish and break the rules to celebrate. The majority will comply as there’s a bigger picture, but the selfish minority are simply that IMO and only think about themselves.

[Pretty Boy]

You could play the game at Murrayfield and open it to every ST holder of the participating clubs and still have ample room for social distancing.

Add in staggered arrival and exit times, mandatory tests and compulsory mask wearing and it could be done.

There's little will to do it though among fans, the clubs, the governing body and the government.

[Yorkshire HFC]

Already replied to the post on the Covid thread but will do so again. For some reason there seems to be an acceptance that we'll see this season out without any fans in attendance.

For me those in power should be doing everything possible to allow the maximum number of people permitted under the guidelines into the few remaining games of this season which are played after 17th May.

Sadly there does not appear to be any appetite for that to happen.

Maybe most fans prefer watching the games at home? No hassle getting to the games, no clowns swearing in your ear for 90 minutes, can do something else in the rest of the day, see the game better, with replays etc. The clubs are obviously doing okay out of it at the moment, with plans for new signings.

I think it might take some time before some people want to go to games again.

[flash]

Maybe most fans prefer watching the games at home? No hassle getting to the games, no clowns swearing in your ear for 90 minutes, can do something else in the rest of the day, see the game better, with replays etc. The clubs are obviously doing okay out of it at the moment, with plans for new signings.

I think it might take some time before some people want to go to games again.

I think it would be near impossible to beat your post for being wrong in so many ways.

[calumhibee1]

Maybe most fans prefer watching the games at home? No hassle getting to the games, no clowns swearing in your ear for 90 minutes, can do something else in the rest of the day, see the game better, with replays etc. The clubs are obviously doing okay out of it at the moment, with plans for new signings.

I think it might take some time before some people want to go to games again.

It’s safe to say that’s not the case.

Folk are desperate to get back.

[bingo70]

I think it would be near impossible to beat your post for being wrong in so many ways.

😂

I’ve been desperate to get back to Easter road but now I’ve been reminded of the swearing and getting replays on the TV I’m no sure I’ll bother next season.

I don’t think fans are kicking up a fuss about getting in as they don’t want to get egg on their face if they get put out in the semis. Once the finalists are confirmed fans of both side will make a bigger deal of it.

Fans of the clubs not involved don’t give a **** for obvious reasons.

[Yorkshire HFC]

It’s safe to say that’s not the case.

Folk are desperate to get back.

Some folk are - but I think there are others who have found other things to keep themselves busy over the last 14 months.

Obviously most of the people on this forum won't be in that category - but I don't think this website is very reflective of the average supporter.

[AugustaHibs]

Maybe most fans prefer watching the games at home? No hassle getting to the games, no clowns swearing in your ear for 90 minutes, can do something else in the rest of the day, see the game better, with replays etc. The clubs are obviously doing okay out of it at the moment, with plans for new signings.

I think it might take some time before some people want to go to games again.

Jesus.

[Jones28]

Maybe most fans prefer watching the games at home? No hassle getting to the games, no clowns swearing in your ear for 90 minutes, can do something else in the rest of the day, see the game better, with replays etc. The clubs are obviously doing okay out of it at the moment, with plans for new signings.

I think it might take some time before some people want to go to games again.

I've not felt this distant to the club since the first season I went without a season ticket in 2011/12

I'd give anything to be going to Hampden tomorrow.

[Sir David Gray]

Maybe most fans prefer watching the games at home? No hassle getting to the games, no clowns swearing in your ear for 90 minutes, can do something else in the rest of the day, see the game better, with replays etc. The clubs are obviously doing okay out of it at the moment, with plans for new signings.

I think it might take some time before some people want to go to games again.

In terms of the fans who usually attend matches are concerned I'd be absolutely astonished if most of them prefer watching matches on TV.

I can't believe that would be the case at all.

[davhibby]

Which may suggest the gov was open to having some fans at the Final, but it's the lack of alt to Hampden that's scuppered it. Whatever the case, the SFA have cocked this up as they do so many things. Can guarantee, if clubs were in financial jeopardy the SFA would have been all over the gov like a rash about this. Also, the time to put pressure on the SNP would have been before the election, not after it.

The folk in football who have lost out the most during this pandemic are certainly the fans, and we don't appear to have anyone acting as our voice or champion.

The baffling question that nobody seems to have asked is why the SFA are saying it’s impossible to have fans at Hampden when there will be fans at the FA Cup final at Wembley on the exact same day as the final here. Wembley actually hosts it’s first euros game earlier than Hampden.

So why are the SFA being allowed to peddle this ridiculous excuse for there being no fans allowed?

[Onion]

The baffling question that nobody seems to have asked is why the SFA are saying it’s impossible to have fans at Hampden when there will be fans at the FA Cup final at Wembley on the exact same day as the final here. Wembley actually hosts it’s first euros game earlier than Hampden.

So why are the SFA being allowed to peddle this ridiculous excuse for there being no fans allowed?

This is going to be even more frustrating when we find out in the next few days that the English FA / UK Government have agreed with UEFA to move the CL Final from Istanbul to England - with thousands of City / Chelsea fans allowed to attend. Unlikely to be played at Wembley, but they'll easily find and alternative stadium.

Where there's a will, there's a way.
But not with the SFA

[Robbo6-2]

Just watching the election results and folk packed in halls shouting and cheering when peole getting elected.

Shambles we cant get in to grounds to watch our teams.

[ben johnson]

This is going to be even more frustrating when we find out in the next few days that the English FA / UK Government have agreed with UEFA to move the CL Final from Istanbul to England - with thousands of City / Chelsea fans allowed to attend. Unlikely to be played at Wembley, but they'll easily find and alternative stadium.

Where there's a will, there's a way.
But not with the SFA


Back in 2014 the will was there to let Rangers play a SC Semi Final at Ibrox. A shocking decision that suited Rangers down to the ground.
Luckily they were crap then and DU thrashed them.

[davhibby]

This is going to be even more frustrating when we find out in the next few days that the English FA / UK Government have agreed with UEFA to move the CL Final from Istanbul to England - with thousands of City / Chelsea fans allowed to attend. Unlikely to be played at Wembley, but they'll easily find and alternative stadium.

Where there's a will, there's a way.
But not with the SFA

My biggest gripe with this is that the SFA are painting it as having their hands tied by UEFA yet looking at Wembley that surely can’t be the case, and I’ve not seen one journalist question this in any way

[Yorkshire HFC]

In terms of the fans who usually attend matches are concerned I'd be absolutely astonished if most of them prefer watching matches on TV.

I can't believe that would be the case at all.

There doesn’t seem to be any big push from people to get back into the stadiums though. And the clubs don’t seem to be trying to put pressure on the politicians either. The politicians will be happy to do nothing - that way they can’t be blamed if it all went wrong.

[danhibees1875]

There doesn’t seem to be any big push from people to get back into the stadiums though. And the clubs don’t seem to be trying to put pressure on the politicians either. The politicians will be happy to do nothing - that way they can’t be blamed if it all went wrong.

It's been mentioned a few times that there's not much of a push from people to return to the grounds now... I don't disagree, but what's the barometer for that?

Does there have to be protests or petitions before it's considered to be something that's being pushed for? Are people pushing for a lot of the other things that are coming back into our lives? :dunno:

[RyeSloan]

I think it’s just an acceptance that the season is almost over.

Sure fans at the final would be great but clearly the political will is not there and changing that for one game would take a huge and probably fruitless effort.

As another poster said if we can get back for the start of next season then most will probably be happy with that.

Overly cautious or severe restrictions for the new season will see substantially more push back I’d say.

[Allez Hibs]

Maybe most fans prefer watching the games at home? No hassle getting to the games, no clowns swearing in your ear for 90 minutes, can do something else in the rest of the day, see the game better, with replays etc. The clubs are obviously doing okay out of it at the moment, with plans for new signings.

I think it might take some time before some people want to go to games again.

With respect, I get what you mean and would be for season ticket holders getting access to watch the games if they can't attend.

But, I think everyone is badly missing the occasion of going to the game, the day out, the beers before & after and the emotion of it all.

[hibbysam]

As always the SFA and the SPFL get all the flak but I don’t see any member clubs putting any pressure on them to get fans in.Hibs appear to have no view.

Hibs aren’t guaranteed to be in the final, it’s the SFA showpiece event, if Hibs had a home game after the 17th then I’d fully expect us to be allowing fans in, and putting plans together for applying for more than the minimum. This is fully on the SFA who are choosing not to have fans.

[GreenNWhiteArmy]

Were Hearts approached about Tynecastle hosting the final?

Champions League final you mean, obviously?

[Iggy Pope]

Maybe most fans prefer watching the games at home? No hassle getting to the games, no clowns swearing in your ear for 90 minutes, can do something else in the rest of the day, see the game better, with replays etc. The clubs are obviously doing okay out of it at the moment, with plans for new signings.

I think it might take some time before some people want to go to games again.

Yorkshire, people are desperate to watch Tadcaster Albion and Harrogate Railway. What on earth are you talking about man? Stay in the house.

[Eyrie]

Champions League final you mean, obviously?

There's a Champions League for Subbuteo now?

Learn something new every day.

[Allez Hibs]

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2021/may/07/champions-league-final-chaos-as-turkey-placed-on-uk-red-list

The FA in talks with UEFA about moving the Champions League Final.

[Jones28]

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2021/may/07/champions-league-final-chaos-as-turkey-placed-on-uk-red-list

The FA in talks with UEFA about moving the Champions League Final.

Seems bonkers to have two teams from the same country fly all the way across Europe to play one game - even out with a pandemic.

[Onion]

Seems bonkers to have two teams from the same country fly all the way across Europe to play one game - even out with a pandemic.

Something special about 2 teams meeting on neutral foreign soil to compete for the biggest trophy. The winners are also associated with the venue for ever. The Miracle of Istanbul, the Lisbon Lions, Gothenburg 83, and the Huns beating the crap out of Barcelona police are all part of the romance.

Chelsea & City should be pushing for the Final to be moved to Portugal, not England.

[Yorkshire HFC]

Yorkshire, people are desperate to watch Tadcaster Albion and Harrogate Railway. What on earth are you talking about man? Stay in the house.

LOL - I'm just saying that there are many types of football fan.

I know some people are desperate to get back to the games. But Hibs also rely (I assume) on people who go to 3 / 4 games a season, when it suits them. Or people who are now used to watching the games on tv. The clubs need to do something to make sure these people want to come back to ER.

Let's hope parading the Scottish Cup before the first home game of next season fills the stadium!

[B.H.F.C]

For the 2016 semi final the crowd was under 20,000 with Hampden at 37% of its capacity.

Today, you could accommodate all season ticket holders from both clubs with less than a third of the capacity. By the time you account for folk who don’t want to go or can’t go, you could probably get by on about a quarter of the capacity. Not too dissimilar to what will be in for the Euros next month.

I think the clubs and football authorities have really let down the fans by not pushing for a crowd of some kind, certainly for the final. There is a real lack of appetite, particularly from the SFA, presumably because neither of their favourites are involved.

[Baldy Foghorn]

For the 2016 semi final the crowd was under 20,000 with Hampden at 37% of its capacity.

Today, you could accommodate all season ticket holders from both clubs with less than a third of the capacity. By the time you account for folk who don’t want to go or can’t go, you could probably get by on about a quarter of the capacity. Not too dissimilar to what will be in for the Euros next month.

I think the clubs and football authorities have really let down the fans by not pushing for a crowd of some kind, certainly for the final. There is a real lack of appetite, particularly from the SFA, presumably because neither of their favourites are involved.

:agree::agree:

I'd like to know if clubs including ours, have been asking questions of when fans can get back in, we need to start seeing more details and roadmaps, as buying season tickets for consecutive seasons, not knowing when we are getting back in, doesn't feel right

[Sir David Gray]

:agree::agree:

I'd like to know if clubs including ours, have been asking questions of when fans can get back in, we need to start seeing more details and roadmaps, as buying season tickets for consecutive seasons, not knowing when we are getting back in, doesn't feel right

It will be legally allowed a week on Monday. It just so happens that the one match we may have left this season that takes place after this date probably won't have any fans in attendance due to other reasons to do with Hampden.

[hibbysam]

It will be legally allowed a week on Monday. It just so happens that the one match we may have left this season that takes place after this date probably won't have any fans in attendance due to other reasons to do with the SFA

Fixed for you. Has nothing to do with Hampden, there’s plenty stadiums in the country and I’m sure UEFA would be willing to compromise for the sake of one afternoon. Wembley is a far bigger and more important venue for the championships and the FA can still use it.

[Sir David Gray]

Fixed for you. Has nothing to do with Hampden, there’s plenty stadiums in the country and I’m sure UEFA would be willing to compromise for the sake of one afternoon. Wembley is a far bigger and more important venue for the championships and the FA can still use it.

That's not quite how it's been reported. Plus the FA Cup final's a week before the Scottish Cup final although the English play offs are after the Scottish Cup final and I think fans are allowed to attend them so who knows.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/sport/football/56675812.amp

[hibbysam]

That's not quite how it's been reported. Plus the FA Cup final's a week before the Scottish Cup final although the English play offs are after the Scottish Cup final and I think fans are allowed to attend them so who knows.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/sport/football/56675812.amp

I know that’s what’s been reported, but the fact UEFA are allowing fans in their showpiece stadium after our final, shows they are open to dialogue regarding it. I’d imagine it would cost the SFA a small shilling which is why they’re so against it.

[calumhibee1]

I know that’s what’s been reported, but the fact UEFA are allowing fans in their showpiece stadium after our final, shows they are open to dialogue regarding it. I’d imagine it would cost the SFA a small shilling which is why they’re so against it.

Yup. I fully expect that it’s not a case of not being able to make it happen, it’s a case of not being willing to pay to make it happen.

[SteveHFC]

I’m expecting us to party in the streets of Edinburgh in 2 weeks if we win it.