Stenhousemuir v Albion Rovers

[Stuart93]

One of the Albion Rovers players got some abuse supposedly from Stenny’s captain Jonathan Tiffoney telling him he “should’ve done it right the first time” with regards to suicide

Sickening stuff and the guys video on Facebook is a tough watch. Think he names him incorrectly as Scott Tiffoney who’s the boy on loan at partick from livi

[hibbysam]

One of the Albion Rovers players got some abuse supposedly from Stenny’s captain Jonathan Tiffoney telling him he “should’ve done it right the first time” with regards to suicide

Sickening stuff and the guys video on Facebook is a tough watch. Think he names him incorrectly as Scott Tiffoney who’s the boy on loan at partick from livi

If true, it’s an absolutely shocking way to speak to another human over a game of football. You don’t just say **** like that in spur of the moment, that’s thought out. Banned for life is the only way to deal with cretins like it.

[Benny Brazil]

Wonder if Hibs will have a quiet word with Stenhousemuir given the link up we have and some of our younger players going on loan there - if true not something our club would want our players associated with

[bawheid]

Wonder if Hibs will have a quiet word with Stenhousemuir given the link up we have and some of our younger players going on loan there - if true not something our club would want our players associated with

I’d be calling them back unless Stenny sack their captain. An utterly appalling thing to say.

[Sir David Gray]

I've just watched his Facebook Live post, if these allegations are proven then the player concerned should be sacked by his club and it should also be reported to the police.

What a truly wicked thing to say to someone.

[bingo70]

I’d be calling them back unless Stenny sack their captain. An utterly appalling thing to say.

I think it’s a really really difficult one for Stenhousemuir here.

What if the Stenhousemuir player denies he says this (which he probably will)

You can’t just sack someone based on an allegation.

BTW I don’t know what the answer is but if the Stenhousemuir player says he is innocent maybe he’s right? I’ve no idea what the solution is.

[bawheid]

I think it’s a really really difficult one for Stenhousemuir here.

What if the Stenhousemuir player denies he says this (which he probably will)

You can’t just sack someone based on an allegation.

BTW I don’t know what the answer is but if the Stenhousemuir player says he is innocent maybe he’s right? I’ve no idea what the solution is.

It sounds like it was said from the bench. There are bound to be witnesses. If it was Jonathan Tiffoney that said it (note, not the Stenny captain) a quick google search highlights that’s he’s a bit of a ****bag regardless of what’s gone on here.

[Brightside]

It’s not great for our link up tbh. Can’t have out players in that environment.

[Stuart93]

It’s not great for our link up tbh. Can’t have out players in that environment.

Aye our link up was the first thing that came to mind as well, makes you wonder what gets said behind closed doors

[BoomtownHibees]

It sounds like it was said from the bench. There are bound to be witnesses. If it was Jonathan Tiffoney that said it (note, not the Stenny captain) a quick google search highlights that’s he’s a bit of a ****bag regardless of what’s gone on here.

He was captain tonight apparently

[Wheat Hound]

If what is alleged happened, it's a disgusting thing to say. However, at this stage it's an allegation which needs to be proven. Stenhousemuir themselves have referred the matter for enquiry and I think it's unfair to damn the whole club for the alleged actions of one person.

[lord bunberry]

https://twitter.com/scott1389/status/1387892351381745670?s=21

[CMurdoch]

Suspect the Albion Rovers guy on the bench has been shouting at the guys on the pitch and the Stenhousemuir player has reacted by doubling down and making the comments referred to. Stenny have referred the matter to the SFA. Stenny guy in the deep brown stuff of public opinion. Suspect his contract won't be renewed whatever the outcome.

[Hibernia&Alba]

I'm confused here. Who said what to whom?

[Allant1981]

I'm confused here. Who said what to whom?

Stenhousemuir player allegedly said it to the AR player who was on the bench

[JimBHibees]

If what is alleged happened, it's a disgusting thing to say. However, at this stage it's an allegation which needs to be proven. Stenhousemuir themselves have referred the matter for enquiry and I think it's unfair to damn the whole club for the alleged actions of one person.

Nail on the head let's see what comes out in the wash. Much just be one bad apple however unfair at this time to castigate the club.

[Callum_62]

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/david-cox-retires-half-time-24010211.amp?__twitter_impression=true

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[James Stephen]

I agree its a very nasty thing to say to someone, but i do wonder about all the different levels of abuse in football, and how some are unacceptable and some are not.

Im not defending what he said, which is spiteful, but in a context when callling your opponent anything (except racial abuse) is normal, accepted and even encouraged, it seems a bit different.

Would it be ok, for example, if hed said "youre f***ing mental mate" to him?

Also, ive heard just as bad, and worse, regularly from the stands.

[bawheid]

He was captain tonight apparently

Really? Perhaps we should be reviewing our relationship with a club who makes a guy like that captain, even for the night. He’s on the sex offenders register. And now there’s this.

[Since452]

That Tiffoney sounds like a right wrongun. Agree that Hibs should be having a word.

[Pretty Boy]

A quick Google suggest the guy Tiffoney is quite the charmer.

This is just another example of all the #bekind and #itsokaynottobeokay stuff being little more than bait for likes on social media or box ticking for many organisations.

[Since452]

I agree its a very nasty thing to say to someone, but i do wonder about all the different levels of abuse in football, and how some are unacceptable and some are not.

Im not defending what he said, which is spiteful, but in a context when callling your opponent anything (except racial abuse) is normal, accepted and even encouraged, it seems a bit different.

Would it be ok, for example, if hed said "youre f***ing mental mate" to him?

Also, ive heard just as bad, and worse, regularly from the stands.

I've heard some sickening things on the park, albeit at a very low level. It seems to be acceptable to say whatever you want to try and get in the opposition players head. It's completely wrong and shouldn't be accepted. Not in this day and age. You wouldn't say those things in the street or office so why say it on the football pitch? Unfortunately it's ingrained in football and will take a long time to get rid of it.

[Sir David Gray]

I agree its a very nasty thing to say to someone, but i do wonder about all the different levels of abuse in football, and how some are unacceptable and some are not.

Im not defending what he said, which is spiteful, but in a context when callling your opponent anything (except racial abuse) is normal, accepted and even encouraged, it seems a bit different.

Would it be ok, for example, if hed said "youre f***ing mental mate" to him?

Also, ive heard just as bad, and worse, regularly from the stands.

Telling someone "you're ****ing mental mate" whilst clearly unpleasant and may well be a reference to his mental health issues isn't on the same level as what's being alleged here in my opinion.

Blatantly telling someone, who you know has previously attempted to take their own life, that they "should have done it right the first time" is up there with one of the most wicked things that you can say to someone.

I know that nasty comments will be exchanged between football players all the time but I think this is on a different level.

[Coco Bryce]

I agree its a very nasty thing to say to someone, but i do wonder about all the different levels of abuse in football, and how some are unacceptable and some are not.

Im not defending what he said, which is spiteful, but in a context when callling your opponent anything (except racial abuse) is normal, accepted and even encouraged, it seems a bit different.

Would it be ok, for example, if hed said "youre f***ing mental mate" to him?

Also, ive heard just as bad, and worse, regularly from the stands.

Mental health IS a very serious issue. People take their own lives because of this daily. I'm not sure many people kill themselves after being racially abused :confused:

This is out of order and the media should be all over this, Totally unacceptable behaviour on a football pitch.

[AndyM_1875]

If Stenny don't do something about this player and get rid then we should review our options here regarding the development relationship. We can always send young players out on loan to Cowdenbeath or Albion Rovers or Edinburgh City etc.

[James Stephen]

I've heard some sickening things on the park, albeit at a very low level. It seems to be acceptable to say whatever you want to try and get in the opposition players head. It's completely wrong and shouldn't be accepted. Not in this day and age. You wouldn't say those things in the street or office so why say it on the football pitch? Unfortunately it's ingrained in football and will take a long time to get rid of it.

Agree with this - its very cultural and will be hard to shift.

[James Stephen]

Telling someone "you're ****ing mental mate" whilst clearly unpleasant and may well be a reference to his mental health issues isn't on the same level as what's being alleged here in my opinion.

Blatantly telling someone, who you know has previously attempted to take their own life, that they "should have done it right the first time" is up there with one of the most wicked things that you can say to someone.

I know that nasty comments will be exchanged between football players all the time but I think this is on a different level.

I agree with you, but its a subtle and highly subjective distinction.

[BILLYHIBS]

Telling someone "you're ****ing mental mate" whilst clearly unpleasant and may well be a reference to his mental health issues isn't on the same level as what's being alleged here in my opinion.

Blatantly telling someone, who you know has previously attempted to take their own life, that they "should have done it right the first time" is up there with one of the most wicked things that you can say to someone.

I know that nasty comments will be exchanged between football players all the time but I think this is on a different level.

Agree Stenny Captain should be sacked

Simples!

[LustForLeith]

I’ve met David over the years and I’ve got a lot of admiration for him. He’s been very open about his mental health journey and if this is the reaction he gets then it’s going to be difficult for others to be as brave as he has been.

[Unseen work]

Before anyone jumps over my post, iim keen to know about the context.

Did he just randomly say it? When did he say it? What happened for him to say it?

I note an article says that both players are making serious complaints, did Cox say something to Tiffoney first, perhaps about him being on the sex offenders register?

Let me be clear, if it has been said in the manner reported it’s absolutely awful, sickening and wrong. Even if stuff was said before hand it doesn’t make it acceptable.

I’m just keen to know the context as to how all of this came about. He says there was a bit of “to and fro” between the bench and Tiffoney.

If they’re on the bench then clearly there will be witnesses for both parties as to what was said

[Unseen work]

Mental health IS a very serious issue. People take their own lives because of this daily. I'm not sure many people kill themselves after being racially abused :confused:

This is out of order and the media should be all over this, Totally unacceptable behaviour on a football pitch.

Surely being racially abused could lead to mental health issues which causes someone to take their life?

It’s not just “I have mental health issues”.

Peoples mental health can be effected by many many things - loss of family member, job, racial abuse, alcohol etc etc.

I’d bet a large number of people have committed suicide after feeling depressed from racial abuse.

[Brightside]

I dont think we need to have a which abuse is worse barometer.

[Northernhibee]

I dont think we need to have a which abuse is worse barometer.

Yep. Very much this.

[Coco Bryce]

Surely being racially abused could lead to mental health issues which causes someone to take their life?

It’s not just “I have mental health issues”.

Peoples mental health can be effected by many many things - loss of family member, job, racial abuse, alcohol etc etc.

I’d bet a large number of people have committed suicide after feeling depressed from racial abuse.

Possibly?

I have friends who are Black, Indian and Chinese all who have been abused racially at some point in their lives.

Never made them suicidal though, usually just resulted in said racist getting a wrap in the coupon :greengrin

[Since90+2]

I dont think we need to have a which abuse is worse barometer.

Very well said.

[Sir David Gray]

Before anyone jumps over my post, iim keen to know about the context.

Did he just randomly say it? When did he say it? What happened for him to say it?

I note an article says that both players are making serious complaints, did Cox say something to Tiffoney first, perhaps about him being on the sex offenders register?

Let me be clear, if it has been said in the manner reported it’s absolutely awful, sickening and wrong. Even if stuff was said before hand it doesn’t make it acceptable.

I’m just keen to know the context as to how all of this came about. He says there was a bit of “to and fro” between the bench and Tiffoney.

If they’re on the bench then clearly there will be witnesses for both parties as to what was said

If Cox has made reference to Tiffoney being on the sex register, whilst I'm open to people reforming their character and getting a second chance, I don't think that referring to someone's criminal conviction (which is entirely of their own doing) excuses that person from responding by mocking the other person's suicide attempt.

I'm honestly struggling to come up with anything that David Cox might have said that would have justified that kind of comment in response.

[James Stephen]

I dont think we need to have a which abuse is worse barometer.

But we already do, thats kinda my point. I can call an opponents mum a terorist whore (in a world cup final, no less), but i cant racially abuse her.

I can call an opponent a ****ing nonce, but i cant refer to his mental health.

It just seems a bit arbitrary.

Personally, id like to see football have more respect and sportsmanship, but we all know it won't happen, so basically its just trial by whatever is a hot button issue on social media at the time.

The stenny boy sounds like a nasty piece of work, but in football that is often a virtue.

[Pretty Boy]

I dont think we need to have a which abuse is worse barometer.

There shouldn't be one but whether we like it or not there is one and used correctly it could be a useful tool.

Sectarianism is something to be joked about in Scotland whilst racism is seen as completely unacceptable. They ultimately come from the same place and the same mindset. It wasn't so long ago when casual racism was a bit of a joke as well. Until not so long ago abusing someone for their mental health issues, or playing them down at any rate, would have been seen as largely acceptable by a lot of people. 'Man up', 'what's he got to be depressed about', 'two Andy Gorams', 'alky, alky' aimed at Andy McLaren etc etc.

I don't think having a 'barometer' as a means of playing down abuse is in any way helpful but it's certainly a useful tool when highlighting how far we still have to go on a lot of issues.

[hibbysam]

If Cox has made reference to Tiffoney being on the sex register, whilst I'm open to people reforming their character and getting a second chance, I don't think that referring to someone's criminal conviction (which is entirely of their own doing) excuses that person from responding by mocking the other person's suicide attempt.

I'm honestly struggling to come up with anything that David Cox might have said that would have justified that kind of comment in response.

Exactly, anyone on the sex offenders register is fair game to have that chucked in their face for me, it normally stems from despicable acts which will have affected the victim greatly. It would have taken something fairly deep personally for him to respond in this way, legitimately. The fact Cox has gone public so quickly tells me he couldn’t have said much, otherwise it would’ve looked extremely bad on his part as he’d know it would all come out.

[Lunatic]

If Cox has made reference to Tiffoney being on the sex register, whilst I'm open to people reforming their character and getting a second chance, I don't think that referring to someone's criminal conviction (which is entirely of their own doing) excuses that person from responding by mocking the other person's suicide attempt.

I'm honestly struggling to come up with anything that David Cox might have said that would have justified that kind of comment in response.

Am I the only one who thinks that if you don't want someone to say something hurtful to you, you shouldn't say something hurtful to them first. If you start it, you're fair game and have no rights to complain about what they say back, no matter how bad it is.
If you start a fight, whether verbal or physical, you deserve to get your ass kicked.

[hibbysam]

Am I the only one who thinks that if you don't want someone to say something hurtful to you, you shouldn't say something hurtful to them first. If you start it, you're fair game and have no rights to complain about what they say back, no matter how bad it is.
If you start a fight, whether verbal or physical, you deserve to get your ass kicked.

If you film an innocent female having sex and show the world without their permission, then you’re right, your fair game to any criticism that comes your way. All purely speculation of course.

There’s obviously a slight difference between that and mental health issues, depression and attempted suicide.

[Brightside]

There shouldn't be one but whether we like it or not there is one and used correctly it could be a useful tool.

Sectarianism is something to be joked about in Scotland whilst racism is seen as completely unacceptable. They ultimately come from the same place and the same mindset. It wasn't so long ago when casual racism was a bit of a joke as well. Until not so long ago abusing someone for their mental health issues, or playing them down at any rate, would have been seen as largely acceptable by a lot of people. 'Man up', 'what's he got to be depressed about', 'two Andy Gorams', 'alky, alky' aimed at Andy McLaren etc etc.

I don't think having a 'barometer' as a means of playing down abuse is in any way helpful but it's certainly a useful tool when highlighting how far we still have to go on a lot of issues.

I meant we don't need one on here. Personally they are all hate crimes and should be dealt with accordingly. Until they are nothing will ever change.

[Unseen work]

If Cox has made reference to Tiffoney being on the sex register, whilst I'm open to people reforming their character and getting a second chance, I don't think that referring to someone's criminal conviction (which is entirely of their own doing) excuses that person from responding by mocking the other person's suicide attempt.

I'm honestly struggling to come up with anything that David Cox might have said that would have justified that kind of comment in response.

I’m not at all saying it excuses it, but if he is giving Tiffoney stick about it during a game it will obviously wind him up and he will say something back.

He could have been going way past what he was actually convicted of.

It’s all speculation but it seems more to it than a random comment.

[SHODAN]

As someone with multiple chronic mental health issues this is the kind of stuff that makes people not want to talk about it.

**** him.

[Keith_M]

I think the term used for this is 'sledging'. Players have been doing this kind of thing for decades (not an excuse, just an observation).

How do we decide what is and is not acceptable? Do the Football authorities have to write a list of things players can and can't say?

I don't envy them defining that list.

[LaMotta]

I dont think we need to have a which abuse is worse barometer.

The whole point of this very story is that there IS a barometer measuring levels of abuse.

[Sir David Gray]

Am I the only one who thinks that if you don't want someone to say something hurtful to you, you shouldn't say something hurtful to them first. If you start it, you're fair game and have no rights to complain about what they say back, no matter how bad it is.
If you start a fight, whether verbal or physical, you deserve to get your ass kicked.

Mocking someone for a suicide attempt is completely off limits in my book, even if the other person did start it all off.

[marinello59]

The whole point of this very story is that there IS a barometer measuring levels of abuse.

The vast majority of people know exactly what is acceptable and what isn’t and wouldn’t go shouting vile abuse at anybody for any reason. The problems come with those who think that the normal rules don’t apply because it’s football.

[Lendo]

Just reading that not only did he commit the crime of filming the poor women and then distributed it he also spat at her during the trial.

How on Earth is he still playing football? What club in their right mind would look at that CV and go “Yep, that’s the guy for us” and to make him captain just adds insult to injury.

There’s bigger issues at play here obviously but you do have to wonder what role models the young Hibs players are learning from at Stenhousemuir.

[Lunatic]

So, it appears the guy isn't very nice. Can't say this comes as much of a surprise, given the context in which I've become aware of his existence.
Regardless, I don't expect him to take abuse about it and just stand there crying. Hopefully he has been dealt with by the law. If he spit on his victim in court, I really hope he got the maximum sentence, in addition to an assault charge and contempt of court (iff he was guilty of course).
That said, if the above allegations are true, I don't really care what he said or why. It's not going to change my opinion of him.

[Hiber-nation]

Just reading that not only did he commit the crime of filming the poor women and then distributed it he also spat at her during the trial.

How on Earth is he still playing football? What club in their right mind would look at that CV and go “Yep, that’s the guy for us” and to make him captain just adds insult to injury.

There’s bigger issues at play here obviously but you do have to wonder what role models the young Hibs players are learning from at Stenhousemuir.

He actually spat at her at his home, it was part of the evidence quoted at the trial.

[hibsbollah]

Mocking someone for a suicide attempt is completely off limits in my book, even if the other person did start it all off.

:agree:

In the world of grownups, the thing to do would be to walk up to him and apologise for taking it too far and hope he shakes your hand so you can move on.

[Keith_M]

:agree:

In the world of grownups, the thing to do would be to walk up to him and apologise for taking it too far and hope he shakes your hand so you can move on.


And there's the problem right there.

[worcesterhibby]

The stenny boy sounds like a nasty piece of work, but in football that is often a virtue.

Very true..was certainly my experience playing at a very low level. Thuggery and intimidation seen as "part and parcel" of the game. It's a difficult balance, we all love it when we have a midfield "enforcer" in our team and almost every week Hibs are accused of being "too nice". I myself was loving that video of Duncan Ferguson telling a 6th former to buck up his ideas the other week. Yet he was a player that was sent to prison for an on field attack. Most fans don't want the game too sanitised...striking the right balance is very hard.

(im not suggesting that this guys comments about suicide are in any way acceptable...more talking about the general concept of "making easter Road a difficlut place to come" intimidating opponents and the club not being a "soft touch")

[truehibernian]

A wholly unpleasant incident which I hope is investigated fully.

The thing that pleases me is that mental health, not just in football and sport, but in society, is finally getting the recognition it needs and deserves. There is nothing worse seeing someone close to you suffering, often in silence, feeling trapped and helpless, often until it's too late.

I just hope that some of the incredible wealth football earns is put back into professional support for those that suffer from it. Funding is crucial and football needs to be far more financially supportive and recognise the problem is widespread.

Less 'super league' chat, more investment in respect, diversity and well-being of players and staff :aok:

[CMurdoch]

Really? Perhaps we should be reviewing our relationship with a club who makes a guy like that captain, even for the night. He’s on the sex offenders register. And now there’s this.

He has not been on the SOR for 6 years
Was on it for 18 months from conviction in 2014.

[CMurdoch]

A wholly unpleasant incident which I hope is investigated fully.

The thing that pleases me is that mental health, not just in football and sport, but in society, is finally getting the recognition it needs and deserves. There is nothing worse seeing someone close to you suffering, often in silence, feeling trapped and helpless, often until it's too late.

I just hope that some of the incredible wealth football earns is put back into professional support for those that suffer from it. Funding is crucial and football needs to be far more financially supportive and recognise the problem is widespread.

Less 'super league' chat, more investment in respect, diversity and well-being of players and staff :aok:

I'm afraid the incredible wealth football returns in the likes of England will continue going into the back pockets of the players, owners and investors.
The owners had a kicking last week over the proposed SL but the high earning players are just as greedy.

[CropleyWasGod]

Tiffoney's side.

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/jonathan-tiffoney-refutes-allegations-sickening-24013636

[Danderhall Hibs]

Tiffoney's side.

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/jonathan-tiffoney-refutes-allegations-sickening-24013636

See this is the thing with folk jumping on bandwagons before hearing all sides of the story - where do they go now?

[hibbysam]

See this is the thing with folk jumping on bandwagons before hearing all sides of the story - where do they go now?

Personally exactly where I was before, I know who I’m likely to believe.

[Danderhall Hibs]

Personally exactly where I was before, I know who I’m likely to believe.

Is that based on a previous conviction not related to this?

[hibbysam]

Is that based on a previous conviction not related to this?

It’s based at looking at their two characters, along with looking into the story and what has come out of it.

[Danderhall Hibs]

It’s based at looking at their two characters, along with looking into the story and what has come out of it.

Fair enough - you’ve obviously looked into it a lot more than I have.

I’m always just a bit wary of diving in on things like this - it’s too easy to jump on a social media bandwagon. I’ve been indirectly on the end of one and it’s not nice when folk are judging you without knowing the full and correct story.

[Sir David Gray]

Tiffoney's side.

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/jonathan-tiffoney-refutes-allegations-sickening-24013636

I don't think there seems to be any counter claims here which would justify the alleged comments from Tiffoney.

I can believe Cox has said something to him, I'm even willing to believe that Cox started the whole thing off but I'm struggling to believe that Cox would leave the stadium at half time and take to social media shortly afterwards to announce his immediate retirement from football if the alleged remarks hadn't been said.

[CMurdoch]

Both teams are in nowhere land in Division 2 and both players are out of contract at the end of the month. Can't see Stenny signing their guy up again.
Peace and love.

[Dashing Bob S]

Wouldn't blame Stenhousemuir for what this guy said. They didn't know he'd make such a dreadful comment when they employed him.

Hearts employed a convicted paedophille as their manager.

[TheCabbage]

Ive met David when he came to my work place on mental health day a few years ago.
So e of the stuff he has done/attempted to do to himself is horrific and he wa very opens and honest about it admits he is no saint.
He did say at the time it was mostly abuse from fans but he did get the odd comment from player at the time as well.
Credits jim McInally with keeping him on track whilst at Peterhead.
He’s had a tough time and this abuse Shiism be treated no different to racism and I would say it’s worse as he has a mental health history and this could easily result in him attempting again given his state of mind.

[Pretty Boy]

Is that based on a previous conviction not related to this?

I think the Rovers players reaction says a lot here. Had he casually mentioned it on social media days later you might be inclined to think there wasn't a lot in it. To pack up his stuff, leave the stadium at HT and say he is done with football whilst struggling to hold back tears? It's an Oscar winning performance and I'm not sure what he has to gain by making it up or what his end game is if so.

I felt similarly about the Glen Kamara incident recently. His reaction immediately told you something had been said that crossed the line and ultimately that proved to be correct.

[Allant1981]

See this is the thing with folk jumping on bandwagons before hearing all sides of the story - where do they go now?


Did you honestly think he was going to come out and admit to it and say aye I had a dig at him about his previous suicide attempt?

[Danderhall Hibs]

Did you honestly think he was going to come out and admit to it and say aye I had a dig at him about his previous suicide attempt?

Depends on the honesty of the guy and how many others heard it.

I was always brought up to believe that there’s 3 sides to every story, your side, their side and the truth in the middle.

[Danderhall Hibs]

I think the Rovers players reaction says a lot here. Had he casually mentioned it on social media days later you might be inclined to think there wasn't a lot in it. To pack up his stuff, leave the stadium at HT and say he is done with football whilst struggling to hold back tears? It's an Oscar winning performance and I'm not sure what he has to gain by making it up or what his end game is if so.

I felt similarly about the Glen Kamara incident recently. His reaction immediately told you something had been said that crossed the line and ultimately that proved to be correct.

I get what you’re saying - as the article says I’m sure others must’ve heard this so the witnesses will be able to clear it all up. I’m not saying the guy is making it up but who knows what his state of mind is - he clearly looks like he needs support form his friends and family and I hope he gets it.

[Allant1981]

Depends on the honesty of the guy and how many others heard it.

I was always brought up to believe that there’s 3 sides to every story, your side, their side and the truth in the middle.

Or the guy is just a twat and overstepped the mark, not everything needs another side to the story, like the kamara incident for example

[Danderhall Hibs]

Or the guy is just a twat and overstepped the mark, not everything needs another side to the story, like the kamara incident for example

I agree on the Kamara one - I was watching it live and I think everyone knew straight away. Then the other guys side came out and it was so ridiculous it gave even more credence to the Kamara “side”.

[Unseen work]

How on earth did Cox manage to get booked from the bench?

There’s certainly more to it. Not that it in any way justifies the comment.

But, if we’re speaking about mental health the comments he’s made to Tiffoney could have a big effect on him mentally? And yes before anyone says it, Tiffoney actions which got him convicted could have had a big effect of the victim mentally of course.

I’m surprised no others players/staff haven’t came out saying they’ve heard what was said. You’d imagine those on the bench and some officials would have heard it.

As for the character of the players involved, does anyone know anymore about the players than what’s been in the papers the past 2 days? Genuinely interested to know

[Sir David Gray]

How on earth did Cox manage to get booked from the bench?

There’s certainly more to it. Not that it in any way justifies the comment.

But, if we’re speaking about mental health the comments he’s made to Tiffoney could have a big effect on him mentally? And yes before anyone says it, Tiffoney actions which got him convicted could have had a big effect of the victim mentally of course.

I’m surprised no others players/staff haven’t came out saying they’ve heard what was said. You’d imagine those on the bench and some officials would have heard it.

As for the character of the players involved, does anyone know anymore about the players than what’s been in the papers the past 2 days? Genuinely interested to know

Completely anecdotal and proves nothing but I was speaking to someone yesterday who knows a player who plays for another League Two club and he described both of them as "*****".

I believe the suggestion was that the allegations levelled at Tiffoney were believable from his point of view.

As I say though it proves nothing.

[worcesterhibby]

How on earth did Cox manage to get booked from the bench?

There’s certainly more to it. Not that it in any way justifies the comment.

But, if we’re speaking about mental health the comments he’s made to Tiffoney could have a big effect on him mentally? And yes before anyone says it, Tiffoney actions which got him convicted could have had a big effect of the victim mentally of course.

I’m surprised no others players/staff haven’t came out saying they’ve heard what was said. You’d imagine those on the bench and some officials would have heard it.

As for the character of the players involved, does anyone know anymore about the players than what’s been in the papers the past 2 days? Genuinely interested to know

I don't know any more than is in the papers or on here. But personally it seems like both of them are pretty nasty pieces of work. If Cox has been booked for coming on the pitch to hurl abuse at an opponent, then what did he really expect he would get back in return ? Aggresively, verbally abusing someone and then crying about mental health when they do it back to you seems more than a touch hypocritical to me.

The fact that Tiffoney (allegedly) then made comments about his mental health and suicide attempt just shows that he has no class either and his historical conviction would suggest that he certainly has been a nasty piece of work in the past. Just seems like a pretty classless and tawdry affair from both sides. That we have two footballers hurling horrible abuse at each other, at a time when football and sport as a whole is demanding less abuse through social media somehow just makes the whole thing worse.

The other players will know what happened, I hope a few of them are honest and brave enough to just tell the truth.

[Centre Hawf]

How on earth did Cox manage to get booked from the bench?

There’s certainly more to it. Not that it in any way justifies the comment.

But, if we’re speaking about mental health the comments he’s made to Tiffoney could have a big effect on him mentally? And yes before anyone says it, Tiffoney actions which got him convicted could have had a big effect of the victim mentally of course.

I’m surprised no others players/staff haven’t came out saying they’ve heard what was said. You’d imagine those on the bench and some officials would have heard it.

As for the character of the players involved, does anyone know anymore about the players than what’s been in the papers the past 2 days? Genuinely interested to know

He could easily have been booked for trying to bring it to the refs attention and being too emotional during his plea to the ref.

[matty_f]

He could easily have been booked for trying to bring it to the refs attention and being too emotional during his plea to the ref.

Yep, the order of events wasn’t clear. The booking could quite understandably have come for his reaction to the comment.

[worcesterhibby]

He could easily have been booked for trying to bring it to the refs attention and being too emotional during his plea to the ref.

I hadn't considered that. Good point. Hopefully the investigation ends up with the truth.

However it would be unusual for a player on the park to give abuse to someone on the bench unless their was already some dialogue going on.