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yerauldda
24-04-2021, 08:40 PM
Criminally underrated. Fantastic football player, what a signing.

H18 SFR
24-04-2021, 08:41 PM
Criminally underrated. Fantastic football player, what a signing.

My man of the match today. His penalty was just the cherry on the top.

K-Zazu
24-04-2021, 08:41 PM
He’s brilliant

Magpie
24-04-2021, 08:42 PM
One of the best under Ross, took his penalty really well too. I hope he joins his brother in winning a Scottish Cup with us.

Hiber-nation
24-04-2021, 08:42 PM
Been brilliant all season, a real find.

Northernhibee
24-04-2021, 08:44 PM
Phenomenal scouting as I think a lot were a bit bewildered as to what he’d add to us when he joined but he’s a huge part of the team.

Vault Boy
24-04-2021, 08:45 PM
He's been back at his best these last couple of games. Definitely better playing RB rather than RCB, superb cross for the opener.

IberianHibernian
24-04-2021, 08:53 PM
Agree . Has been a fantastic signing . I`ve read a few comments here in the last few weeks suggesting his form has dipped which has really surprised me as I`ve had him as one of our best 2 or 3 players in almost every match in the last month . Much more than a reliable right back . Offers something going forward and has obviously worked on his crosses ( better forwards would be scoring loads from them ) . I know someone here in Spain who works with several agents with palyers from all over the world and just yesterday he asked me " Do Hibernian need a right back ? " and I answered in 2 seconds " No " . In almost any other position , I would have doubted .

patlowe
24-04-2021, 08:57 PM
Really like him but also think it's worth noting we've lost quite a few goals this season from crosses to the back post on his side (see Motherwell's equaliser today). Could be a system thing.

CyberSauzee
24-04-2021, 08:57 PM
We should ban everyone from this forum who posted stuff along the lines of 'an underwhelming signing', 'we should be looking for better' and the usual 'not Hibs Class'.

Baader
24-04-2021, 09:00 PM
Been a great signing, slotted in well and an important part of the team.

Scored the crucial penalty today to really put us in the driving seat.

gaz1875
24-04-2021, 09:04 PM
Steady player I just wish he would run forward instead of strolling forward at times. He can cross a ball as proven today.

The Spaceman
24-04-2021, 09:08 PM
Phenomenal scouting as I think a lot were a bit bewildered as to what he’d add to us when he joined but he’s a huge part of the team.

I’d put my money on our Data Analyst team having a huge part to play in his transfer to us. That and our obvious knowledge of St Mirren.

Hibee Mac
24-04-2021, 09:36 PM
He's been a great signing, I can see why Ross likes him. Very versatile and good in both directions, has a great relationship with Boyle as well.

Brightside
24-04-2021, 09:45 PM
Criminally underrated. Fantastic football player, what a signing.

People are sometimes very wrong

Pretty Boy
24-04-2021, 09:47 PM
He's been a very good signing for us.

I still think the RCB/RB position is one we will seek to strengthen in the summer though.

hibee-boys
24-04-2021, 09:50 PM
Had my doubts when he signed but he’s been one of the most consistent performers over the season, mr reliable.

Smartie
24-04-2021, 10:21 PM
Between Wednesday and today he's had a couple of outstanding performances for us.

Really, really good player.

monktonharp
24-04-2021, 10:24 PM
Had my doubts when he signed but he’s been one of the most consistent performers over the season, mr reliable.we've got McGinn, super Paul McGinn I just dont think you understand.......he has been a fantastic signing for us. he is a 100% player and never stops with effort. great signing, and the Buddies fans must hate us now. ST Mirren, Hibernian's feeder club.

hibbysam
24-04-2021, 10:25 PM
we've got McGinn, super Paul McGinn I just dont think you understand.......he has been a fantastic signing for us. he is a 100% player and never stops with effort. great signing, and the Buddies fans must hate us now. ST Mirren, Hibernian's feeder club.

That ending doesn’t quite fit into the song...

lucky
25-04-2021, 08:20 AM
He’s been a good signing but I hate that he just lumps the ball forward time and time again. I thought he wasn’t great yesterday but crossed for Dodge and scored a penalty so I might being a bit hard on him.

SHODAN
25-04-2021, 08:31 AM
That ending doesn’t quite fit into the song...

:tee hee:

500miles
25-04-2021, 08:33 AM
He switches between right centre back and wing back throughout 90 minutes. Not seen many players who can manage that.

B.H.F.C
25-04-2021, 08:38 AM
He's been back at his best these last couple of games. Definitely better playing RB rather than RCB, superb cross for the opener.

Mentioned this when watching yesterday. He can play RCB but is better as an out and out RB for me.

007
25-04-2021, 08:59 AM
Has been putting in some great crosses lately.

Get him in the Scotland squad.

.Sean.
25-04-2021, 09:45 AM
I’m glad I was happy to give him the benefit of the doubt on here as opposed to the absolute slating the initial signing received from a fair few on here. What an important player he is for us now, one of the first names on the teamsheet.

Argylehibby
25-04-2021, 09:48 AM
Has been putting in some great crosses lately.

Get him in the Scotland squad.

Can you imagine the outrage f he was in the squad for the Euros and Paterson wasn't. :greengrin

Hibbyradge
25-04-2021, 09:52 AM
Can you imagine the outrage f he was in the squad for the Euros and Paterson wasn't. :greengrin

I'm rarely outraged these days (it's overrated), but to be honest, I'd be pretty much stunned if that happened too.

Unseen work
25-04-2021, 10:23 AM
He’s been a brilliant signing and I think the only reason he doesn’t get more praise is because he’s 30 year old Paul McGinn from St Mirren.

Also don’t think it’s anything to do with our scouts etc that we signed him, just down to Jack Ross being a big fan having previously worked with him

Pilrig_Sauzee
25-04-2021, 10:51 AM
He is exactly the sort of player we want at our club. His temperament and consistentcy very like Stevenson, does his job mostly well, most of the time. And the odd bad hame doesn’t become a run of shocking games. Very much like Ross’s Hibs, and why we’re 3rd.

PatHead
25-04-2021, 12:46 PM
One of the best under Ross, took his penalty really well too. I hope he joins his brother in winning a Scottish Cup with us.

Did he win the league cup with St Mirren?

gbhibby
25-04-2021, 12:57 PM
Did he win the league cup with St Mirren?
No but Craig Sampson did.

Dobosz83
25-04-2021, 04:07 PM
He’s not only dependable, he actually has a fantastic eye for a pass between the lines and also into wide areas in the final third.

Definitely under rated.

Hibrandenburg
25-04-2021, 04:14 PM
That ending doesn’t quite fit into the song...

It does of you change the tune to Bach's Andante Violin Sonata No.2.

ancient hibee
25-04-2021, 04:15 PM
He’s been very good but was posted missing for the second goal I thought.

Callum_62
25-04-2021, 04:16 PM
He struggled against Watt but in an all he's a very steady above average player for us [emoji106]

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Keith_M
25-04-2021, 04:50 PM
Sadly there's still a few posters on here who seem desperate for him to make a mistake (which he does, as does every other player) so they can say he's useless and we should get Gray back in the side.

I'm glad Ross has shown sense by sticking by him as he has far more good games than bad.

Keith_M
25-04-2021, 04:51 PM
It does of you change the tune to Bach's Andante Violin Sonata No.2.


In C Sharp?


:dunno:

Northernhibee
25-04-2021, 04:53 PM
He’s been very good but was posted missing for the second goal I thought.

Thought that was more the fault of Boyle, lost his runner and could have done more to get back with him. Not taking away from another very good performance from him though.

Iggy Pope
26-04-2021, 08:15 PM
Sadly there's still a few posters on here who seem desperate for him to make a mistake (which he does, as does every other player) so they can say he's useless and we should get Gray back in the side.

I'm glad Ross has shown sense by sticking by him as he has far more good games than bad.

Honestly now, has any of that been said on anything like a few occasions?

hibbysam
26-04-2021, 08:19 PM
Honestly now, has any of that been said on anything like a few occasions?

I’ve been fairly vocal recently about wanting him dropped and Cadden playing. He’s been good the last two games again though. He went through a dip but nobody wants him to make mistakes, some people just can’t accept criticism of players when they go through a real rough patch. Hanlon Porto and McGregor have all been dropped due to not performing, no one should be above that.

Andy74
26-04-2021, 08:28 PM
I’ve been fairly vocal recently about wanting him dropped and Cadden playing. He’s been good the last two games again though. He went through a dip but nobody wants him to make mistakes, some people just can’t accept criticism of players when they go through a real rough patch. Hanlon Porto and McGregor have all been dropped due to not performing, no one should be above that.

Cadden doesn’t play right centre half though.

Iggy Pope
26-04-2021, 08:29 PM
I’ve been fairly vocal recently about wanting him dropped and Cadden playing. He’s been good the last two games again though. He went through a dip but nobody wants him to make mistakes, some people just can’t accept criticism of players when they go through a real rough patch. Hanlon Porto and McGregor have all been dropped due to not performing, no one should be above that.

Not quite what was suggested in the quote, but agreed. I thought McGinn was looking a bit ****ed , leggy even, past month or so but he’s looking like he’s over that and is amongst our most consistent. Cadden’s performances have been pretty debatable to my thinking and maybe needs a pre season? Gray is forever blessed, an indispensable presence and still the club captain I think, but I don’t see any clamour to suggest he’s needed back in the starting XI.

SMAXXA
26-04-2021, 08:52 PM
I’ve been fairly vocal recently about wanting him dropped and Cadden playing. He’s been good the last two games again though. He went through a dip but nobody wants him to make mistakes, some people just can’t accept criticism of players when they go through a real rough patch. Hanlon Porto and McGregor have all been dropped due to not performing, no one should be above that.

I really like him but your spot on his form did dip a few weeks ago seems back to his best last couple of games. Been a great signing

hibbysam
26-04-2021, 09:33 PM
Cadden doesn’t play right centre half though.

I wanted us to go to a 4, and we’ve played most of our last couple of games as a 4.

inglisavhibs
26-04-2021, 09:44 PM
Thought that was more the fault of Boyle, lost his runner and could have done more to get back with him. Not taking away from another very good performance from him though.
Neither of them did well at the goal but tiredness can cause lack of concentration for any player. They all make mistakes at some point. McGinn has been a very good signing and like his brother has a great will to win.

1van Sprou7e
26-04-2021, 09:48 PM
Mentioned this when watching yesterday. He can play RCB but is better as an out and out RB for me.

Bit confused at people saying this, was he not playing RCB against Motherwell?

Hibs90
26-04-2021, 09:50 PM
Yup he's been excellent for the most part. Zero complaints from me.

B.H.F.C
26-04-2021, 10:12 PM
Bit confused at people saying this, was he not playing RCB against Motherwell?

No, back four the other day. Same against Livingston.

basehibby
27-04-2021, 12:21 AM
With SDG hitting the wall with injuries over the last couple of seasons there have been some very big shoes to fill at RB - SPM has done it with aplomb :top marks:hibees

Crunchie
27-04-2021, 06:59 AM
Criminally underrated. Fantastic football player, what a signing.
He reminds me of cyclops, gives his all and his consistency of performance is his biggest asset. Makes the odd mistake but who doesn't? I can't believe the stick he gets on here from some when he does.

Peevemor
27-04-2021, 07:18 AM
He reminds me of cyclops, gives his all and his consistency of performance is his biggest asset. Makes the odd mistake but who doesn't? I can't believe the stick he gets on here from some when he does.

To be fair he's had very little stick - and usually by posters capable in finding fault in any player.

Gogic is generally far more (unfairly) underrated on here.

Brightside
27-04-2021, 07:26 AM
I wanted us to go to a 4, and we’ve played most of our last couple of games as a 4.

Do you think so? Its looked 352 to me. and When boyle pushes right up, SPM takes up the space wider on the pitch and Doig will drop in. I've not seen much change in our systems for a long time tbh.

Fergus52
27-04-2021, 07:27 AM
No, back four the other day. Same against Livingston.

Still looked like more of a 3 to me.

The system was very fluid though, with Boyle getting further forward than doig, and mcginn stepping out right to cover the vacated space at times.

The best teams don't have set formations anymore anyway - look how different the city and Leeds shape is depending on the phase of play.

Our current system is similar, but I'd say it was definitely still more of a back 3 than a back 4. Hanlon was getting forward just as much as mcginn when the ball was on our left side, doig was providing our only width on that side, and when we didn't have the ball mcginn was staying narrow with Boyle coming very deep.

Unseen work
27-04-2021, 07:39 AM
Personally I’d say it’s a 352 that was played.

Irvine often drifts wide in to the space on the left which is clearly something practiced.

We have some very clear pattern of plays that I’ve picked up on this season.

McGinn is always the go to when starting from deep and looks to take risk on the ball before playing a ball fizzed into the feet of Nisbet who comes short and tries to pass it in beyond for Boyle - who initially comes deep to drag the defender out of position and create space.

The right side is left clear for Boyle when that’s not happening for him to run from deep, McGinn often offers assistance by bombing forward. Gogic and Newell will sit and largely cover.

Doig keeps the width on the left however is more defensive minded than Boyle and willing to take it in a left back role which leaves a lot of room ahead of him. Irvine makes the 3rd man run into this space where the defender tries to pick him out.

I actually really enjoy seeing some of the patterns of play we have and how obvious it is that we work on it every week, the players seem to know it inside out.

Ross and Porter really seem to have drilled it into the players and it’s obviously working before the front 3 are likely to hit 50 between them this season

MWHIBBIES
27-04-2021, 07:42 AM
I think the reason Mcginn plays, and will continue to play, is he offers the flexability for us to play either formation at any point in the game. Thats vital to our success.

loanheadhibby
27-04-2021, 07:47 AM
Criminally underrated. Fantastic football player, what a signing.
He is a good solid pro.
Fantastic - hardly.

MWHIBBIES
27-04-2021, 07:49 AM
He is a good solid pro.
Fantastic - hardly.

He has been this season. Best season a right back has had for Hibs in the top flight since Whittaker left the first time

Peevemor
27-04-2021, 07:51 AM
He is a good solid pro.
Fantastic - hardly.

That's 2 matches in a row he's put in fantastic crosses that resulted in goals.

Argylehibby
27-04-2021, 08:07 AM
I think the reason Mcginn plays, and will continue to play, is he offers the flexability for us to play either formation at any point in the game. Thats vital to our success.

But but but ...... Jack Ross never makes tactical switches..... as some would have you believe! Your point is spot on though as is the fact he can play both rolls very well.

Hibbyradge
27-04-2021, 08:09 AM
Gogic is generally far more (unfairly) underrated on here.

He's not underrated by me anyway.

He's like a pit bull terrier running on Duracell extra batteries.

His contribution to stopping the opponents is vital and huge, but he also supports our offensive phases too.

His is the first name I look for when the teams are announced. I'd like to see an analysis of our results when he starts compared to when he was on the bench or out.

blackpoolhibs
27-04-2021, 08:10 AM
I’ve been fairly vocal recently about wanting him dropped and Cadden playing. He’s been good the last two games again though. He went through a dip but nobody wants him to make mistakes, some people just can’t accept criticism of players when they go through a real rough patch. Hanlon Porto and McGregor have all been dropped due to not performing, no one should be above that.

So it was good management to let him play himself back into form, it's not as if he was horrendous, he was just not as good as we all know he can be.

The get rid brigade would have us change the team every week, and the manager every bad result. :rolleyes:

Fergus52
27-04-2021, 10:11 AM
To be fair he's had very little stick - and usually by posters capable in finding fault in any player.

Gogic is generally far more (unfairly) underrated on here.

I was definitely guilty of this earlier in the season and thought he was a liability when in possession.

Happy to have been proven completely wrong, he has been immense in recent weeks and is one of our most important players.

hibbysam
27-04-2021, 10:45 AM
So it was good management to let him play himself back into form, it's not as if he was horrendous, he was just not as good as we all know he can be.

The get rid brigade would have us change the team every week, and the manager every bad result. :rolleyes:

Absolutely fine with that, he had dropped a fair bit below the standards he had set and had cost us a few goals. My reasoning was more rest as it felt like he had run himself into the ground - he’s played almost every game. I don’t want the team changed every week, it’s reasonable to ask if changes should be made when a player is underperforming week after week though, we asked for Boyle to be dropped earlier in the season, Gogic, Hanlon, Porteous, even Doig when it seemed like he was struggling. It’s normal and in the main the manager seems to agree.

loanheadhibby
27-04-2021, 12:22 PM
He has been this season. Best season a right back has had for Hibs in the top flight since Whittaker left the first time

Are you sure? I think David Gray might have something to say about that.

MWHIBBIES
27-04-2021, 12:32 PM
Are you sure? I think David Gray might have something to say about that.

In the top flight? Yes, easily. Grays best days at Hibs were in the championship.

blackpoolhibs
27-04-2021, 03:13 PM
Absolutely fine with that, he had dropped a fair bit below the standards he had set and had cost us a few goals. My reasoning was more rest as it felt like he had run himself into the ground - he’s played almost every game. I don’t want the team changed every week, it’s reasonable to ask if changes should be made when a player is underperforming week after week though, we asked for Boyle to be dropped earlier in the season, Gogic, Hanlon, Porteous, even Doig when it seemed like he was struggling. It’s normal and in the main the manager seems to agree.

Who are we?

hibbysam
27-04-2021, 05:21 PM
Who are we?

My apologies - ^supporters.

1van Sprou7e
28-04-2021, 09:53 AM
No, back four the other day. Same against Livingston.

Didn't look that way to me though obviously the actual positions of the players are fluid depending on the situation

hibee-boys
28-04-2021, 12:52 PM
Personally I’d say it’s a 352 that was played.

Irvine often drifts wide in to the space on the left which is clearly something practiced.

We have some very clear pattern of plays that I’ve picked up on this season.

McGinn is always the go to when starting from deep and looks to take risk on the ball before playing a ball fizzed into the feet of Nisbet who comes short and tries to pass it in beyond for Boyle - who initially comes deep to drag the defender out of position and create space.

The right side is left clear for Boyle when that’s not happening for him to run from deep, McGinn often offers assistance by bombing forward. Gogic and Newell will sit and largely cover.

Doig keeps the width on the left however is more defensive minded than Boyle and willing to take it in a left back role which leaves a lot of room ahead of him. Irvine makes the 3rd man run into this space where the defender tries to pick him out.

I actually really enjoy seeing some of the patterns of play we have and how obvious it is that we work on it every week, the players seem to know it inside out.

Ross and Porter really seem to have drilled it into the players and it’s obviously working before the front 3 are likely to hit 50 between them this season

Interesting observations, I hope no other managers are tuning in😂

NORTHERNHIBBY
28-04-2021, 01:09 PM
McGinn for me is like the other side of the coin to Drey Wright. He has come in an stepped up rather than stepping down. For all players , what they did before they signed and what they will may do after they have left, is irrelevant.

Keith_M
28-04-2021, 02:05 PM
Honestly now, has any of that been said on anything like a few occasions?


Yes, I've seen it a number of times, mostly on match day threads as soon as the guy makes one mistake.

Since452
28-04-2021, 02:08 PM
One of the first names on the team sheet for me

green day
28-04-2021, 02:09 PM
Paul McGinn is the surprise package of the season for me. He is generally really solid, good going forward, decent distribution and is probably costing us (relative) buttons.

I would give him another deal as he is pretty important to Hibs right now.

Iggy Pope
28-04-2021, 02:30 PM
Yes, I've seen it a number of times, mostly on match day threads as soon as the guy makes one mistake.

Match day threads shouldn’t count in the equation. They are exceptional in content populated by a great number of maniacs incapable of thinking first.

O'Rourke3
28-04-2021, 03:17 PM
Match day threads shouldn’t count in the equation. They are exceptional in content populated by a great number of maniacs incapable of thinking first.Thinking, at times seems to be the least problem. I think it might be therapy for some.

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blackpoolhibs
29-04-2021, 09:22 AM
Absolutely fine with that, he had dropped a fair bit below the standards he had set and had cost us a few goals. My reasoning was more rest as it felt like he had run himself into the ground - he’s played almost every game. I don’t want the team changed every week, it’s reasonable to ask if changes should be made when a player is underperforming week after week though, we asked for Boyle to be dropped earlier in the season, Gogic, Hanlon, Porteous, even Doig when it seemed like he was struggling. It’s normal and in the main the manager seems to agree.

I dont think a manager worth his salt would drop any player because WE demanded it, He dropped Gogic not because he was playing badly, but because he wanted to play a different player to play the way he wanted us to play. Hanlon i dont remember being dropped, Porteous was out the team after the transfer business, and was he not also suspended or injured too?

Doig has been used and brought out the team to help his progress, something i think Ross has done very well.

When was Boyle dropped?

The manager agrees nothing, he does his job to the best of his ability when weighing everything up.

Keith_M
29-04-2021, 09:25 AM
Match day threads shouldn’t count in the equation. They are exceptional in content populated by a great number of maniacs incapable of thinking first.


Actually, that's true.

Some people seem to go off the deep end during the game.

CMurdoch
29-04-2021, 09:30 AM
He's not underrated by me anyway.

He's like a pit bull terrier running on Duracell extra batteries.

His contribution to stopping the opponents is vital and huge, but he also supports our offensive phases too.

His is the first name I look for when the teams are announced. I'd like to see an analysis of our results when he starts compared to when he was on the bench or out.

He has played every minute of every league game this season so the analysis you are interested in won't exist :wink:

theonlywayisup
29-04-2021, 11:38 AM
Personally I’d say it’s a 352 that was played.

Irvine often drifts wide in to the space on the left which is clearly something practiced.

We have some very clear pattern of plays that I’ve picked up on this season.

McGinn is always the go to when starting from deep and looks to take risk on the ball before playing a ball fizzed into the feet of Nisbet who comes short and tries to pass it in beyond for Boyle - who initially comes deep to drag the defender out of position and create space.

The right side is left clear for Boyle when that’s not happening for him to run from deep, McGinn often offers assistance by bombing forward. Gogic and Newell will sit and largely cover.

Doig keeps the width on the left however is more defensive minded than Boyle and willing to take it in a left back role which leaves a lot of room ahead of him. Irvine makes the 3rd man run into this space where the defender tries to pick him out.

I actually really enjoy seeing some of the patterns of play we have and how obvious it is that we work on it every week, the players seem to know it inside out.

Ross and Porter really seem to have drilled it into the players and it’s obviously working before the front 3 are likely to hit 50 between them this season

Excellent summary, which I think the commentators at the last two matches on TV mentioned. They were very complimentary about our movement going forward and the patterns of play that we created.

The only issue for me is that we're still too reliant on Boyle. I would also like to see more shots from midfield hit the target.


Interesting observations, I hope no other managers are tuning in😂

As noted, if the BBC / Premier Sport summarisers have spotted it, I'm sure the managers will have done so too.:greengrin