George Floyd Murder Trial - Verdict

[Keith_M]

Verdict to be announced at 4:30 EST (9:30 UK)

[Hibby70]

I wonder if they'll go with manslaughter?

[GlesgaeHibby]

Kuensberg just referred to it as 'verdict due in George Floyd trial' rather than Derek Chauvin trial.

[Hibbyradge]

Kuensberg just referred to it as 'verdict due in George Floyd trial' rather than Derek Chauvin trial.

I wonder if she's related to the OP. :wink:

It's fair enough really. People often know the victim's name rather than the accused's.

[Hibbyradge]

I'm genuinely nervous about this.

[GlesgaeHibby]

I wonder if she's related to the OP. :wink:

It's fair enough really. People often know the victim's name rather than the accused's.

I'm just being pedantic :greengrin. I think George Floyd murder trial or Derek Chauvin trial are both ok, but George Floyd trial is inaccurate.

Hoping the jury reaching a quick decision bodes well.

[CapitalGreen]

Guilty on all 3 counts.

[Hibbyradge]

I'm just being pedantic :greengrin. I think George Floyd murder trial or Derek Chauvin trial are both ok, but George Floyd trial is inaccurate.

Hoping the jury reaching a quick decision bodes well.

I'm pedantic too, but it's the trial about the victim, George Floyd, so it's also the George Floyd trial.

I agree. The longer it's taking for them to announce the verdict, the more I fear the worse.

If it's not guilty, all hell will break loose and possibly not just in the USA.

[Hibbyradge]

Guilty. Phew.

[AltheHibby]

Great news. It won't bring George Floyd back, but at least the obviously correct verdict has been reached.

[GlesgaeHibby]

Justice.

[wookie70]

I thought that was going the other way at points but very glad justice has been done both for teh victim and for race relations in the US

[007]

Thankfully the correct decision was reached. It should have been an easy decision but it only needed one of the twelve jurors to say they had a reasonable doubt so you just don't know. Particularly given some of the past decisions in similar cases.

There will no doubt be an appeal, probably claiming he didn't have a fair trial given all the events surrounding it.

[007]

I thought that was going the other way at points but very glad justice has been done both for teh victim and for race relations in the US

I know what you mean but the defence had a massive hurdle in the bystander video to overcome. Was surprised how many video clips they showed in their closing argument that included George Floyd crying out in agony, more than the prosecution did. Plus he bored the jury by going on so long.

[Sir David Gray]

I don't think there was really any doubt about his guilt but I wonder if there will be grounds for an appeal after Biden's shocking remarks earlier on?

I've never heard anything like it to be honest, it's completely inappropriate for a politician to get involved in a case that's still to deliver a verdict.

I'm glad his family has got some justice though, it's something which should never have happened.

[007]

I don't think there was really any doubt about his guilt but I wonder if there will be grounds for an appeal after Biden's shocking remarks earlier on?

I've never heard anything like it to be honest, it's completely inappropriate for a politician to get involved in a case that's still to deliver a verdict.

I'm glad his family has got some justice though, it's something which should never have happened.

Biden said he waited until the jury were sequestered before saying anything. Don't know why he didn't just wait though.

The Maxine Waters comments yesterday might be more of a problem.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/04/19/politics/judge-derek-chauvin-maxine-waters-mistrial-appeal/index.html

[Future17]

I don't think there was really any doubt about his guilt but I wonder if there will be grounds for an appeal after Biden's shocking remarks earlier on?

I've never heard anything like it to be honest, it's completely inappropriate for a politician to get involved in a case that's still to deliver a verdict.

I'm glad his family has got some justice though, it's something which should never have happened.

Why do you think that?

[wookie70]

Why do you think that? He may influence the jury given his position, influence and standing. Looks like he waited long enough to avoid that in this case though. It may actually influence some against what he says as they have differing political standpoints but I think he should have kept it shut until after the verdict.

[007]

He may influence the jury given his position, influence and standing. Looks like he waited long enough to avoid that in this case though. It may actually influence some against what he says as they have differing political standpoints but I think he should have kept it shut until after the verdict.

The jury were sequestered by then though. Locked away from the outside world without access to the news, the internet etc.

I do agree though, even if the media were asking him daily what he thought he could have just said ask me once the verdict is in.

[Sir David Gray]

Why do you think that?

I think it's wholly inappropriate for a politician, never mind the President, to give their opinion on the outcome of a criminal trial before it's reached its conclusion.

[lord bunberry]

I think it's wholly inappropriate for a politician, never mind the President, to give their opinion on the outcome of a criminal trial before it's reached its conclusion.
:agree: Totally agree. I think the outcome was inevitable, but the leader of a country shouldn’t be giving his opinion before the jury.

[EH6 Hibby]

I’m glad the correct verdict was reached. I admit I didn’t have much faith that it would as I listen to a lot of American podcasts relating to true crime and I’m genuinely confused by a lot of the verdicts, especially ones where race is an issue. I honestly feared what the reaction would have been if he was acquitted.

As for Biden, I agree he should have waited till after the verdict, let’s be honest, if it had been Trump, he’d be getting slaughtered for it.

[Future17]

I think it's wholly inappropriate for a politician, never mind the President, to give their opinion on the outcome of a criminal trial before it's reached its conclusion.

I'm not trying to be awkward, because I feel like I agree with you. Why do you think it's inappropriate though?

[Hibrandenburg]

I'm amazed at the expected standards of conduct we now suddenly have for American Presidents. :wink:

[CropleyWasGod]

I don't think there was really any doubt about his guilt but I wonder if there will be grounds for an appeal after Biden's shocking remarks earlier on?

I've never heard anything like it to be honest, it's completely inappropriate for a politician to get involved in a case that's still to deliver a verdict.

I'm glad his family has got some justice though, it's something which should never have happened.

During the trial of Charles Manson and the others , Nixon pronounced them guilty. It nearly wrecked the trial.

[Stairway 2 7]

I'm amazed at the expected standards of conduct we now suddenly have for American Presidents. :wink:

How's it suddenly. All leaders should be held up for criticism. Just cause the previous president was a complete ********, doesn't mean the next shouldn't be critiqued

[Sir David Gray]

I'm not trying to be awkward, because I feel like I agree with you. Why do you think it's inappropriate though?

Because I strongly believe in the role of the jury in delivering a verdict and no-one, not even the President of the land, should be delivering a verdict before them.

They are the ones who have been chosen by the court to listen to the evidence every day throughout the trial and then make a decision on the guilt of their fellow citizen. That's the basic principle of how criminal trials are conducted in a democratic nation.

The jury may not have been aware of Biden's comments prior to delivering its verdict but I am completely opposed to him getting involved publicly in any part of a trial before the jury has had the opportunity to deliver its verdict.

[lapsedhibee]

As for Biden, I agree he should have waited till after the verdict, let’s be honest, if it had been Trump, he’d be getting slaughtered for it.

Trump would have been getting slaughtered for proclaiming Chauvin innocent of any wrongdoing and that George Floyd hated his country.

[Keith_M]

I wonder if she's related to the OP. :wink:

It's fair enough really. People often know the victim's name rather than the accused's.


TBF, it was the trial for the Murder of George Floyd. I wasn't sure how else to word that.


Anyway, justice has been done

[Mon Dieu4]

I’m glad the correct verdict was reached. I admit I didn’t have much faith that it would as I listen to a lot of American podcasts relating to true crime and I’m genuinely confused by a lot of the verdicts, especially ones where race is an issue. I honestly feared what the reaction would have been if he was acquitted.

As for Biden, I agree he should have waited till after the verdict, let’s be honest, if it had been Trump, he’d be getting slaughtered for it.

There was only ever going to be one verdict in this trial, it was too high profile unlike many others that slip under th radar, America would have burnt to the ground if it went any other way

[calumhibee1]

Because I strongly believe in the role of the jury in delivering a verdict and no-one, not even the President of the land, should be delivering a verdict before them.

They are the ones who have been chosen by the court to listen to the evidence every day throughout the trial and then make a decision on the guilt of their fellow citizen. That's the basic principle of how criminal trials are conducted in a democratic nation.

The jury may not have been aware of Biden's comments prior to delivering its verdict but I am completely opposed to him getting involved publicly in any part of a trial before the jury has had the opportunity to deliver its verdict.

:agree:

[hibsbollah]

I'm amazed at the expected standards of conduct we now suddenly have for American Presidents. :wink:

Biden is a disgrace for what he’s done. That’s the big takeaway from this whole story :agree:

[Stairway 2 7]

Biden is a disgrace for what he’s done. That’s the big takeaway from this whole story :agree:

You need to be down the conspiracy bunker to think anyone that is criticising Biden here is equating it to trumps or chauvins disgusting actions.

[hibsbollah]

You need to be down the conspiracy bunker to think anyone that is criticising Biden here is equating it to trumps or chauvins disgusting actions.

Who mentioned Chauvin or Trump? I thought this was about Biden.

[Stairway 2 7]

Who mentioned Chauvin or Trump? I thought this was about Biden.

The post you quoted was clearly about trump

[Hibbyradge]

I’m glad the correct verdict was reached. I admit I didn’t have much faith that it would as I listen to a lot of American podcasts relating to true crime and I’m genuinely confused by a lot of the verdicts, especially ones where race is an issue. I honestly feared what the reaction would have been if he was acquitted.

As for Biden, I agree he should have waited till after the verdict, let’s be honest, if it had been Trump, he’d be getting slaughtered for it.

Trump would have said a lot more, a lot earlier and the opposite of what Biden said.

[hibsbollah]

The post you quoted was clearly about trump

I didn’t notice.

[Hibbyradge]

TBF, it was the trial for the Murder of George Floyd. I wasn't sure how else to word that.


Anyway, justice has been done

I was happy with the wording. Not that it matters 😁

[Stairway 2 7]

Trump would have said a lot more, a lot earlier and the opposite of what Biden said.

His lack of condemnation for pricks like the proud boys was disgusting

[Hibbyradge]

Biden waited until his words could not affect the outcome of the trial.

Why does it matter that the verdict hadn't been reached? :confused:

As far as the jury were concerned, he could have been saying it in private or painting it on the walls of the Whitehouse. It made no difference at all.

[007]

There was only ever going to be one verdict in this trial, it was too high profile unlike many others that slip under th radar, America would have burnt to the ground if it went any other way

That's what common sense tells you but it only needed one juror lacking in common sense for it to be an acquittal. The liklihood of 1 out of 12 having outrageous beliefs compared to your average sensible person was probably quite considerable.

[neil7908]

Biden is a disgrace for what he’s done. That’s the big takeaway from this whole story :agree:

😂😂😂😂

[Hibrandenburg]

Biden is a disgrace for what he’s done. That’s the big takeaway from this whole story :agree:

:agree: It's also a bit puzzling that none of those criticising Biden weren't outraged when Trump said similar back when it actually happened. I guess turning this story into a "Biden bad" one was pretty inevitable. Glad at least you managed to understand my point.

[Bristolhibby]

I'm amazed at the expected standards of conduct we now suddenly have for American Presidents. :wink:

Haha, true.

As has been said, the jury were locked away. He can say what he likes.

Personally I would have waited.

J

[Keith_M]

I was happy with the wording. Not that it matters ��


Ah, OK.


Sorry


:aok:

[Hibrandenburg]

Haha, true.

As has been said, the jury were locked away. He can say what he likes.

Personally I would have waited.

J

Me too, but I agree 100% with what he said, even if the timing was suboptimal. I'm guessing he simply wanted to show support before the verdict was given but at a time where it was safe to do so.

[147lothian]

:agree: It's also a bit puzzling that none of those criticising Biden weren't outraged when Trump said similar back when it actually happened. I guess turning this story into a "Biden bad" one was pretty inevitable. Glad at least you managed to understand my point.

I don't think saying that Biden should have waited for the verdict to come out before commenting makes anyone supporter of Trump. Unless their is really Trump supporters or .net which I doubt, it seems to me like a pretty reasonable comment.

[DaveF]

Nothing to do with the Floyd trial but just more depressing stuff from US Police

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-56897186

[Hibbyradge]

Nothing to do with the Floyd trial but just more depressing stuff from US Police

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-56897186

Jeez, Dave.

It really is depressing, but it also makes me so very angry. Absolute bas"""ds.

It seems like too many American police officers lose their humanity when they're given a badge and a gun.

[Hibs Class]

Jeez, Dave.

It really is depressing, but it also makes me so very angry. Absolute bas"""ds.

It seems like too many American police officers lose their humanity when they're given a badge and a gun.

Don't disagree, although I suspect a good number of applicants don't have the correct motivation to join up and so don't have the appropriate humanity to lose in the first place

[Just Alf]

Nothing to do with the Floyd trial but just more depressing stuff from US Police

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-56897186

It's heart breaking, even in the short clip we see she's clearly an unthreatening confused old woman (picking flowers)..... there was zero need for cuffs far less strong arm tactics that ended up injuring her.... gloating about the bullying afterwards takes it to another level

[DaveF]

The lack of empathy from the arresting officers is unreal. As radge says, I actually find myself getting angrier each time I see it. Total ****bags who should be sacked.

[lord bunberry]

Nothing to do with the Floyd trial but just more depressing stuff from US Police

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-56897186
The arrest is bad enough, but to sit and laugh about it while the old woman is sitting in a cell handcuffed and in pain is disgusting. I despair at the way some people have lost any sense of decency.

[wookie70]

I couldn't even watch that to the finish. The scary thing is I can see the British Police heading in the same direction albeit we are a good way away.

[Keith_M]

I couldn't even watch that to the finish. The scary thing is I can see the British Police heading in the same direction albeit we are a good way away.


I've defended the police on here on numerous occasions but sadly I have to agree.

The attitudes of some Police officers I've encountered in the last few years (both at football games and elsewhere) has been quite frankly appalling. I'm not sure if it's my imagination but I've sensed a deterioration of the Police in Scotland since the forces were amalgamated into 'Police Scotland'.

[Future17]

I've defended the police on here on numerous occasions but sadly I have to agree.

The attitudes of some Police officers I've encountered in the last few years (both at football games and elsewhere) has been quite frankly appalling. I'm not sure if it's my imagination but I've sensed a deterioration of the Police in Scotland since the forces were amalgamated into 'Police Scotland'.

Police Officers I've worked with have said that former Strathclyde officers dominated the higher positions when the amalgamation occurred. They suggested their style of policing - which was less tolerant in certain respects - subsequently became the norm.

[Keith_M]

Police Officers I've worked with have said that former Strathclyde officers dominated the higher positions when the amalgamation occurred. They suggested their style of policing - which was less tolerant in certain respects - subsequently became the norm.


That's sad to hear but not entirely a surprise.

[McD]

Jeez, Dave.

It really is depressing, but it also makes me so very angry. Absolute bas"""ds.

It seems like too many American police officers lose their humanity when they're given a badge and a gun.


Don't disagree, although I suspect a good number of applicants don't have the correct motivation to join up and so don't have the appropriate humanity to lose in the first place


It's heart breaking, even in the short clip we see she's clearly an unthreatening confused old woman (picking flowers)..... there was zero need for cuffs far less strong arm tactics that ended up injuring her.... gloating about the bullying afterwards takes it to another level


The lack of empathy from the arresting officers is unreal. As radge says, I actually find myself getting angrier each time I see it. Total ****bags who should be sacked.


The arrest is bad enough, but to sit and laugh about it while the old woman is sitting in a cell handcuffed and in pain is disgusting. I despair at the way some people have lost any sense of decency.


i agree with all of what you’ve said, it’s bad enough to treat her that way, but to sit and ogle and gloat at the camera footage is despicable

[Sir David Gray]

Police Officers I've worked with have said that former Strathclyde officers dominated the higher positions when the amalgamation occurred. They suggested their style of policing - which was less tolerant in certain respects - subsequently became the norm.

My mum works for the police in a non-uniform capacity and that's exactly what she has said too, almost word for word.

Strathclyde Police was the biggest force and everything was to be done their way. She says it's not been the same since the creation of Police Scotland - she used to work for Central Scotland Police for over 30 years prior to the merger.

[Kato]

i agree with all of what you’ve said, it’s bad enough to treat her that way, but to sit and ogle and gloat at the camera footage is despicable

There are obvious crimes being committed but under what category of crime does the gloating, bragging and laughing over the old ladies predicament come under?

I couldn't predict that happening to come up with a law against it.

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[Kato]

My mum works for the police in a non-uniform capacity and that's exactly what she has said too, almost word for word.

Strathclyde Police was the biggest force and everything was to be done their way. She says it's not been the same since the creation of Police Scotland - she used to work for Central Scotland Police for over 30 years prior to the merger.You can tell that just from their attitude at the football. Was drinking in the Iona before and after games pre-CV and there was more than one tried to stop us drinking outside, the ban on which was only in Glasgow before the merger.



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[McD]

There are obvious crimes being committed but under what category of crime does the gloating, bragging and laughing over the old ladies predicament come under?

I couldn't predict that happening to come up with a law against it.

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i didn’t say it was a crime. It doesn’t make it less disgusting though.

[Kato]

i didn’t say it was a crime. It doesn’t make it less disgusting though.

Sorry bud, don't get me wrong - I'm just wondering how anyone could actually legislate for that happening, nothing to do with your comments. It's a crime but what's it called? Brutal behaviour.

[wookie70]

Sorry bud, don't get me wrong - I'm just wondering how anyone could actually legislate for that happening, nothing to do with your comments. It's a crime but what's it called? Brutal behaviour.

Not a crime but probably should cost them their jobs. The police have to be seen as being a helping hand for policing to work. They are proving the opposite to be true.

The arresting officer/officers should be in jail imo. I'm not sure a 70 odd year old would be likely to run away and she certainly showed no signs of violence. Even if a theft was committed the actions of the officer was way over the top.

I am not a fan of The Police here and have had quite a few dealings with them where I would say their officers were unprofessional or simply couldn't be bothered. One included my Dad being ripped off for over 5 grand by the local shop charging him 60 quid every time he went in to get papers and some rolls and them getting him to use a debit card. They were hopeless at investigating that crime against someone who had dementia and he wasn't the only victim. However my Dad went awol a couple of times and also walked into someone's house thinking he was on holiday(this was all right at the start of us knowing how bad he had got) and the Police were excellent and compassionate when it came to dealing with him face to face. I was thankful for their help on those occasions no doubt.

[McD]

Sorry bud, don't get me wrong - I'm just wondering how anyone could actually legislate for that happening, nothing to do with your comments. It's a crime but what's it called? Brutal behaviour.


:aok:

[lapsedhibee]

Not a crime but probably should cost them their jobs.

Officers no more. (https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/apr/30/colorado-police-loveland-officers-resign)

[DaveF]

Officers no more. (https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/apr/30/colorado-police-loveland-officers-resign)

Good. I hope that poor woman and her family get a little comfort from knowing these ****bags are no longer in position.

Actually, it's not good. Reading further, I didn't realise that by resigning their position they still get benefits (whatever they may be..)

[Hibbyradge]

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/apr/30/police-officer-dismissed-for-repeatedly-hitting-vulnerable-teenager-with-baton?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other

[Killiehibbie]

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/apr/30/police-officer-dismissed-for-repeatedly-hitting-vulnerable-teenager-with-baton?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other

Just as well they didn't have guns.

[Hibbyradge]

Just as well they didn't have guns.

Exactly!

[wookie70]

Good. I hope that poor woman and her family get a little comfort from knowing these ****bags are no longer in position.

Actually, it's not good. Reading further, I didn't realise that by resigning their position they still get benefits (whatever they may be..)

Not good at all, they should be in jail

[Crunchie]

It's heart breaking, even in the short clip we see she's clearly an unthreatening confused old woman (picking flowers)..... there was zero need for cuffs far less strong arm tactics that ended up injuring her.... gloating about the bullying afterwards takes it to another level
I've seen videos of paramedics and hospital staff doing similar, there are ****bags out there in all walks of life, thankfully a lot of them are being caught thanks to cctv. Too many times I've seen people at work or in a pub sharing some unsavoury down right disgusting stuff and having a good laugh about it, sad times we live in for sure.

[Hibs Class]

Chauvin and three other ex police officers now indicted by federal grand jury.

https://edition.cnn.com/2021/05/07/us/federal-indictment-george-floyd-officers/index.html