Matt Macey

[Andy74]

I've seen variations of "Rocky should be back in for the semi final" a lot recently but it's a moot point as he won't be.

He might. I’m not sure how cast iron him playing in every cup game was or was it that he would be given opportunity to play in the cups?

[Onion]

I spoke to a goalie coach last night and he said he wouldn’t put Macey to blame for either of the goals.

Just saw the goals this morning. Can't blame Macey but it's very odd and a bit shocking to see a goalie not even attempt to save them. He just stood, resigned to the ball hitting the net. If he did that in a Scottish Cup final, I'd be raging.

[hibbysam]

I spoke to a goalie coach last night and he said he wouldn’t put Macey to blame for either of the goals.

I’d be showing him the angle from behind the goal and asking if that’s where he reckons a keeper should be positioned. If he says yeah then I’d be questioning his credentials. If he says no, which he will, then he will agree that the keeper has a part to play in that goal. Not the sole reason, but every bit as guilty as Stevenson for allowing the cross to come in, McGinn for allowing himself to get tagged by Cole, and Boyle for getting wrong side of Watt when he realised McGinn wasn’t getting out to it.

[Danderhall Hibs]

Just saw the goals this morning. Can't blame Macey but it's very odd and a bit shocking to see a goalie not even attempt to save them. He just stood, resigned to the ball hitting the net. If he did that in a Scottish Cup final, I'd be raging.

If you’re going to fail make it look spectacular.

[bingo70]

If you’re going to fail make it look spectacular.

Not necessarily.

This is more of a general point rather than a criticism of Macey but I’m sure many a great save has happened when the keeper probably thought they weren’t going to get it but still went for it just in case.

[MrRobot]

If we switch to Rocky for the cup games, Macey in the league games would make sense since we are riding on the cup for Europe now.

If we are seriously looking at keeping Macey on next season, he needs to play games

[Smartie]

I find it a wee bit hard to put the first goal into the "unsaveable, there's nothing you can do when those go in against you bracket". It's a tidy finish, knocked into the right area but it's all bit slow to fully accept that there is no blame whatsoever that can be attached to the goalkeeper, even if just to say he might have wanted his string position to have been a foot or so to his left, or have seen the shot earlier and moved his body over that way with a view to diving and getting close to it. It's weird how the keeper and a few players just watch it go in and it's a bit slo-mo.

TBH the second looks worse from a defensive point of view. It's a good header but having seen Hibs put loads of good balls into the box that didn't lead to a goal in the first half down to our attacking movement not being up to scratch (as well as some excellent defending from Motherwell at times) I find it a bit hard to accept that we couldn't or shouldn't have done better for that one.

Neither is a howler where 100% of blame could be attributed to one player but at each you find yourself asking if any one of a few players might have done more to stop each goal?

[007]

Ryan Christie freekick Scottish Cup Semi Final at Hampden beat Rocky at his near post in fact I think he dived when the ball was in already

I was asking myself how did that go in ? :greengrin

He was anticipating the ball being put across the goal which IIRC he has done one other time since that cost a goal but can't remember who against. In the semi he wasn't helped by the 2 man wall parting like the Red Sea.

[BILLYHIBS]

He was anticipating the ball being put across the goal which IIRC he has done one other time since that cost a goal but can't remember who against. In the semi he wasn't helped by the 2 man wall parting like the Red Sea.
Look again and you will see Christie looking at the gap before firing it in

I was right behind the goal and could see it coming

The other time was O’Halloran St Johnstone at ER

Or maybe Morellos

[SanFranHibs]

He was anticipating the ball being put across the goal which IIRC he has done one other time since that cost a goal but can't remember who against. In the semi he wasn't helped by the 2 man wall parting like the Red Sea.

He should have anticipated that.

I still think Rocky is the better keeper and if fit should be our keeper.

[Brightside]

Big Kev has signed a 2 year extension. So its Macey or a new signing for the other berth.

[blackpoolhibs]

Has Rocky had talks with other clubs, i'm hoping a cup final medal and Europe until xmas might sway him back to signing an extension? :pray:

To be honest, he is our first team keeper, and should play in the games we are desperate to win, but if he's off and Ross wants Macey, i can see why he'd want to sway him into signing too.

If i was manager, i think you have to think now, not next season, and it's Rocky for me for the semi and hopefully final.

[MrRobot]

Has Rocky had talks with other clubs, i'm hoping a cup final medal and Europe until xmas might sway him back to signing an extension? :pray:

To be honest, he is our first team keeper, and should play in the games we are desperate to win, but if he's off and Ross wants Macey, i can see why he'd want to sway him into signing too.

If i was manager, i think you have to think now, not next season, and it's Rocky for me for the semi and hopefully final.

I’ve wondered this too whether or not he may do U-turn and sign a new deal with us.

[Silky]

Just watched the extended highlights. My tuppence worth is that Macey's positioning for the 1st wasn't ideal. He was drawn to the near post because there was a Motherwell guy in a threatening position. By doing that he left the far side of the goal woefully exposed.

Second goal, the cross was swung in from miles out and the guy headed it from around 8-10 yards out, albeit jumping from an angle. Keeper started to come and should have done so. The header itself looked saveable too.

Rocky should be back in for the semi final. Tough on Macey, but no room for sentiment at this stage. Rocky wouldn't have come for the cross, but he could well have saved both efforts.

I think he was badly let down by his defence. As much as it may have been "saveable", the cross was also very much defendable and should have been cleared. The marking was horrific and I'd lay the blame squarely at the door of the defence before Macey for that one.

[hibsbollah]

The Macey goals got discussed on Richard Lee’s GK Union podcast. 7:30-12mins in. He almost always defends keepers so his comments about ‘not getting a dive away’ definitely suggests he’s in the ‘could have done better with it’ camp.

https://open.spotify.com/episode/0hE4QVy2iuKLlPCuMSUCaY?si=XS2VTbmjRMqgGnXovhNGUQ&dl_branch=1

[CapitalGreen]

Martin Boyle is more to blame for the 2nd than anyone. Gave it away stupidly under little pressure and then doesn't even challenge Watt, lets him round the back without shouting or going with. Terrible from him.

I struggle to blame a keeper when its a free header from 8 yards.

First one is a bit of a fluke goal that catches Macey out.

Agreed but you missed a third error by Boyle in the lead up to this goal. He brought down the Well player but made no effort to prevent them taking a quick free kick. The purpose of a tactical foul is to slow your opponents attack and allow your defenders to get back and set properly - the quick free kick from Well meant we were still on the back foot when play restarted.

[FilipinoHibs]

The first goal was a fluke and he could do nothing about it. The second goal not dwithstanding how we got into that vulnerable position was not a bullet header and he made no attempt to save it. Rocky would have been quick and agile enough to attempt to make a save.

[JimBHibees]

Agreed but you missed a third error by Boyle in the lead up to this goal. He brought down the Well player but made no effort to prevent them taking a quick free kick. The purpose of a tactical foul is to slow your opponents attack and allow your defenders to get back and set properly - the quick free kick from Well meant we were still on the back foot when play restarted.

That could have resulted in Boyle being sent off so can understand why he didn't do that.

[CapitalGreen]

That could have resulted in Boyle being sent off so can understand why he didn't do that.

You think he would have got booked twice for the same incident? Behave

[matty_f]

Must be amazing being a qualified coach, especially a goalkeeping coach as there aren't many, you must get loads of job offers with your knowledge

Two points from me on this post - first is Bingo doesn’t have to be a coach to have an opinion on it.

Second - i spoke to a goalkeeper coach (who makes his moving from it) and they didn’t put any blame on Macey for either goal.

[hibbysam]

You think he would have got booked twice for the same incident? Behave

Absolutely. He was already being booked for the foul and the ref was letting them take it quickly, if Boyle stops that I’ve no doubt he’d have been sent off. Ref ended up a right tosser.

[Hibee Mac]

Absolutely. He was already being booked for the foul and the ref was letting them take it quickly, if Boyle stops that I’ve no doubt he’d have been sent off. Ref ended up a right tosser.I've seen opponents do that to us countless times and can't remember a single example where they have been booked twice and sent off for the same incident.

[Pretty Boy]

Two points from me on this post - first is Bingo doesn’t have to be a coach to have an opinion on it.

Second - i spoke to a goalkeeper coach (who makes his moving from it) and they didn’t put any blame on Macey for either goal.

Yet interestingly Richard Lee, UEFA B License holder and ex Pro goalkeeper, did suggest a degree of blame in his podcast.

I think that just proves that even among the more informed/qualified opinion can be split. If every fan only commented on that which they were fully qualified to talk about people's interest in football would disappear pretty quickly.

[CapitalGreen]

Absolutely. He was already being booked for the foul and the ref was letting them take it quickly, if Boyle stops that I’ve no doubt he’d have been sent off. Ref ended up a right tosser.

Well in that case you’re clueless.

[O'Rourke3]

He should have anticipated that.

I still think Rocky is the better keeper and if fit should be our keeper.He put the wall there to stop the need to dive. If Dylan stayed where he was, that goal doesn't happen

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[superfurryhibby]

Yet interestingly Richard Lee, UEFA B License holder and ex Pro goalkeeper, did suggest a degree of blame in his podcast.

I think that just proves that even among the more informed/qualified opinion can be split. If every fan only commented on that which they were fully qualified to talk about people's interest in football would disappear pretty quickly.

Out of interest, what were his observations on the keepers role in both goals?

For me he was out of position for the first, too close to his near post.

For the second I thought he could have taken the cross and that he was flat footed when the header came in.

Of course we can also mention giving the ball away, defenders not challenging, marking, stopping* crosses etc.