Ex NFL Player Kills Six

[Keith_M]

An ex NFL player, Phillip Adams, has apparently murdered Six people in yet another mass shooting in the US.

This is actually the second mass shooting in the last couple of weeks, which has had strangely little coverage in the Media, let alone expressions of outrage or disgust.


https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2021/apr/11/south-carolina-shooting-phillip-adams-nfl-victims

[hibsbollah]

There were four mass shootings just in the month of March. It’s mind blowing

https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2012/12/mass-shootings-mother-jones-full-data/

[Keith_M]

There were four mass shootings just in the month of March. It’s mind blowing

https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2012/12/mass-shootings-mother-jones-full-data/



:agree:


It's absolutely crazy that these kind of things are so common that they're not even headline news any more

[KdyHby]

https://www.gunviolencearchive.org/

[Hibby Bairn]

:agree:


It's absolutely crazy that these kind of things are so common that they're not even headline news any more

Yes. Just like the 20 people executed by the state since Jan 2020.

All normal.

[Hibrandenburg]

:agree:


It's absolutely crazy that these kind of things are so common that they're not even headline news any more

Biden was making that point the other day. The whole gun thing just baffles me, I get that you can argue both sides on anything, but when thousands of lives are being rubbed out each year, then it's utterly disgusting to argue that adding more of the things that are causing the problem will solve the problem. Madness.

[Callum_62]

Biden was making that point the other day. The whole gun thing just baffles me, I get that you can argue both sides on anything, but when thousands of lives are being rubbed out each year, then it's utterly disgusting to argue that adding more of the things that are causing the problem will solve the problem. Madness.Guns don't kill people, people kill people

Should we ban the motorcar?!

Some of the better arguements I've heard against banning assault style weapons

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[CMurdoch]

I have been to America many times and had lots of good experiences there but it is undeniably one of the most ****ed up countries in the world.
A thin manufactured veneer of respectability covers an overwhelming love of money, power, drugs and guns and it is slowly sinking their country.
The guns thing beggars belief. As someone said above it is mindblowing, they don't do irony and they refuse to see or acknowledge what is obvious to the rest of us. Trump was the cherry on the top of the tin pot turd.

[silverhibee]

Police shoot a young black lad as he struggles with police not far from where the GF trial is taking place, police officer shouts "taser" but pulls a gun out and shoots him with it, surely you would know the difference between a gun and a taser, police say it was a genuine mistake, more trouble on the streets.

[Keith_M]

Police shoot a young black lad as he struggles with police not far from where the GF trial is taking place, police officer shouts "taser" but pulls a gun out and shoots him with it, surely you would know the difference between a gun and a taser, police say it was a genuine mistake, more trouble on the streets.


Yeah, I had my doubts about that claim as well.


While I appreciate the anger behind yet another police shooting, it seems to be about the only thing that gets the Yanks on the streets in protest (and all the attention in the press).

There's very little in the Media, and from politicians, about the many other mass killings in the last few months, unless the Media see some 'angle' (e.g. race) to put on the story for a good old sensational headline.

[McD]

Police shoot a young black lad as he struggles with police not far from where the GF trial is taking place, police officer shouts "taser" but pulls a gun out and shoots him with it, surely you would know the difference between a gun and a taser, police say it was a genuine mistake, more trouble on the streets.


the officer in question has been on the job for 26 years, so you’d think they would be able to tell the difference

Then again, there’s video footage where she apparently says words to the effect of ‘holy **** I just shot him’ as the man drove away, so depending on interpretation, that could come across as surprise, or the opposite

[silverhibee]

the officer in question has been on the job for 26 years, so you’d think they would be able to tell the difference

Then again, there’s video footage where she apparently says words to the effect of ‘holy **** I just shot him’ as the man drove away, so depending on interpretation, that could come across as surprise, or the opposite

I think she shouted “taser” 3 times before shooting the lad, she must have known in that time that she had the wrong weapon in her hand, is there not a “yesss” as he drives away.

[McD]

I think she shouted “taser” 3 times before shooting the lad, she must have known in that time that she had the wrong weapon in her hand, is there not a “yesss” as he drives away.


haven't seen the video, just what I read in the news report.

I do agree though that any police officer, either new to role or 26 years service, should know the difference between a taser and a gun, even under pressure. Accident or not, it stands to reason that the presence of a firearm massively increases the chance of deadly force being exercised. when there’s multiple police officers to a single suspect, the onus is surely on the police to navigate the situation minimising the risk of it happening.

I see the officer has now resigned.

[KdyHby]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-56770200

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-56768217

[Hibs Class]

haven't seen the video, just what I read in the news report.

I do agree though that any police officer, either new to role or 26 years service, should know the difference between a taser and a gun, even under pressure. Accident or not, it stands to reason that the presence of a firearm massively increases the chance of deadly force being exercised. when there’s multiple police officers to a single suspect, the onus is surely on the police to navigate the situation minimising the risk of it happening.

I see the officer has now resigned.

She's also been charged with second degree manslaughter. I saw a police press conference a few days ago, not sure if it was the police chief who subsequently resigned, but part of his explanation was that officers should holster their gun on the dominant side; you would like to think that there was more to tell the weapons apart than just remembering where you should have put it.

[hibsbollah]

Another one.

8 killed and many injured in a mass shooting at a FedEx plant in Indianapolis.

[cabbageandribs1875]

Indianapolis mass shooting: Eight dead at FedEx facility - BBC News (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-56770200)


Eight people have been killed and many injured in a shooting in the US city of Indianapolis, police say.


Witnesses heard several gunshots at a FedEx facility and one said he had seen a man firing an automatic weapon.


The gunman, thought to have been acting alone, is reported to have killed himself. Authorities said there was no further threat to public safety.



The Gun Violence Archive puts the number of gun violence deaths from all causes at 12,395 (https://www.gunviolencearchive.org/) so far this year in the US, of which 147 were in mass shootings. Last year saw a total of 43.549 deaths, and 610 in mass shootings.

[Ozyhibby]

Getting to the stage where you just shrug your shoulders at American shootings. They are not interested in the solutions so it’s hard to care from over here.


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[Hibrandenburg]

Getting to the stage where you just shrug your shoulders at American shootings. They are not interested in the solutions so it’s hard to care from over here.


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Made that decision a while back and have come to the conclusion that Americans love their guns more than their children, it's the only explanation for their reluctance to give them up.

[Hibby70]

Made that decision a while back and have come to the conclusion that Americans love their guns more than their children, it's the only explanation for their reluctance to give them up.

The fact that a 13 year old boy can easily get a hold of a gun says it all. What right minded person would think that a law that makes that possible is a good thing 😕

[hibsbollah]

Guns ok. Yoga? Bad.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/apr/17/alabama-yoga-ban-public-schools-christian-groups

[AltheHibby]

Guns ok. Yoga? Bad.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/apr/17/alabama-yoga-ban-public-schools-christian-groups

The thing with America is that they hate you for being a different colour and bringing in your foreign religions. Ironic really when you consider the white Christians did exactly that to the native Americans.

[Keith_M]

Not sure if it's correct but I've seen a couple of reports suggesting the Fedex shootings were a disgruntled ex-employee.

In normal countries people just put a bad review on LinkedIn or Glassdoor, but in the US they get out their guns and kill people.


Utterly crazy

:bitchy:

[Wilson]

"Going postal" in America pre-dates LinkedIn. It is crazy though as you say.

[stu in nottingham]

Made that decision a while back and have come to the conclusion that Americans love their guns more than their children, it's the only explanation for their reluctance to give them up.

I was seeing an American woman from Seattle at one time, she would have argued that her having a gun, as she did, protected her children from a break-in at her home. (yes I know).

She once asked me if I felt safer not owning a gun, presuming I would say no. I explained to her that for instance, guns are less associated with break-ins in the UK as the ramping up of sentencing is a prohibitive factor in carrying one whilst committing such a crime. It was therefore less likely that I'd encounter an armed break-inat my home. She genuinely couldn't get her head around that concept.

I recall her saying that she'd bought a 'really attractive' Beretta pistol as a birthday gift for her now ex-husband. A curious mix, I actually discovered she was in the NRA but in every other aspect was very much politically liberal.

[Sylar]

Getting to the stage where you just shrug your shoulders at American shootings. They are not interested in the solutions so it’s hard to care from over here.


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I reached that point after Sandy Hook failed to trigger any real change.

I love the States - I spend half my year out in the Bay Area (during normal, non-pandemic times) and it's been eye-opening to experience a non-tourist version of the States, and really seeing just how prevalent gun crimes are generally speaking, not just related to mass shootings.

I regained a bit of hope after the Marjory Stoneman Douglas massacre triggered (absolutely no pun intended) the 'March for our Lives' demonstrations across the States - I attended the one in San Francisco, as I was working over there at the time and I felt hopeful that something might actually change. Instead, Dick Santorum suggested kids should learn CPR to deal with these events as they happen (I note he never volunteered to let someone load an AR15 clip into him and allow kids to practice these skills on him...alas), and the usual lip-service resumed.

I genuinely love visiting and working out there for extended periods, but would I **** even consider moving my 2 kids out there to be raised in amongst their societies.