SPL team of the Season. Guess Who is in it from Hibs.

[Brightside]

https://www.skysports.com/football/news/12040/12269071/scottish-premiership-team-of-the-season-rangers-dominate-whoscoreds-statistical-xi

[AgentDaleCooper]

Does this mean that statistically he's in the top two CBs in the league?

[Jones28]

Superb, I must say I was surprised to see such a finished player who needs replaced statistically one of the best centre halfs in Scotland.

[superfurryhibby]

Without looking, Martin Boyle and Josh Doig?

More realistically, no one from any team but Rangers?

[O'Rourke3]

I heard he'd been crap all season.. .

Sent from my SM-J600FN using Tapatalk

[Hibernian Verse]

Good to see Odoffin in there. I said weeks ago I'd like to see us go for him and I am now statistically correct :greengrin

[matty_f]

A really objective, unbiased view must surely be very hard to argue with.

[Hibernian Verse]

A really objective, unbiased view must surely be very hard to argue with.

There are a number of people on here that will tell you that stats don't tell you everything and that a pair of eyes tells you more. Unfortunately, eyes often have tinted spectacles.

[Speedy]

Does this mean that statistically he's in the top two CBs in the league?

Means he's now officially overrated :duck:

[easty]

“Time for a change” though apparently.

Some on here think a good footballer should be replaced like a pair of curtains. Unfortunately, being called up for Scotland meant nothing, and even this won’t change their mind about Paul Hanlon.

[calumhibee1]

Definitely one of the better centre half’s in the league :agree:

Still reckon Paul and Daz is our strongest centre half pairing.

[Tricla]

He's been immense for us for the most part throughout his career.

Shamefully used as a scapegoat by some.

Cup winning legend, ruddy good centre half and by all accounts a consummate professional.

We're lucky to have him.

[Since90+2]

I wouldn't place too much emphasis on that team considering Alan McGregor is not the goalkeeper. He's been the best keeper in the country by an absolute mile this season.

[04Sauzee]

Ryan Christie is in that team and my eyes have been telling me he's been poor this season.

[Allez Hibs]

Interesting rating system they use.

Also interesting when looking at the ratings of the rest of our squad this season against their scoring system.

https://www.whoscored.com/Teams/320/Show/Scotland-Hibernian

They have Hanlon as being our best player statistically?
Hanlon with 1 motm where as Newell has 5 motm for example.

[Crunchie]

A really objective, unbiased view must surely be very hard to argue with.
I'd argue that Odoffin is not one of the best central midfielders in the country, let alone in the top 2. I'd also argue Hanlon isn't as good as Daz, opinions eh.

[Crunchie]

Interesting rating system they use.

Also interesting when looking at the ratings of the rest of our squad this season against their scoring system.

https://www.whoscored.com/Teams/320/Show/Scotland-Hibernian

They have Hanlon as being our best player statistically?
Hanlon with 1 motm where as Newell has 5 motm.
I've seen some of the bbc ratings and they're a joke, as are some of the newspapers. It's all about one persons opinion and means nothing at the end of the day.

[Allez Hibs]

I've seen some of the bbc ratings and they're a joke, as are some of the newspapers. It's all about one persons opinion and means nothing at the end of the day.

Exactly. All about points/games saved/won for the team at the end of the day.

It's not Champ Man 😂

[Brightside]

I've seen some of the bbc ratings and they're a joke, as are some of the newspapers. It's all about one persons opinion and means nothing at the end of the day.

Have you read it? Its based on statistical data - the opposite of someones opinion. Based on all the stats he has had an excellent season.

[B.H.F.C]

Never having been his biggest fan, I think Hanlon has had a good season. Easily our best centre half this season. Don’t think there can be too many in the league who have had a better season.

Still don’t think stats tell the whole story. Christie, for instance, has been largely garbage this season.

[scoopyboy]

Have you read it? Its based on statistical data - the opposite of someones opinion. Based on all the stats he has had an excellent season.

Usual suspects.

A Hibs player gets picked for a team of the season and the knockers choose to criticise rather than be happy for the player.

Based on stats it is a relevant selection, I take it Siegrist gets the nod over Mcgregor as he makes more saves.

[easty]

I wouldn't place too much emphasis on that team considering Alan McGregor is not the goalkeeper. He's been the best keeper in the country by an absolute mile this season.

It’s based on the average rating throughout the season, McGregor has had almost nothing to do in a load of games this season due to Rangers being so dominant. Dundee Utd keeper faces a lot more attacks so has had more to do.

Obviously McGregor is a better goalie.

[Crunchie]

Have you read it? Its based on statistical data - the opposite of someones opinion. Based on all the stats he has had an excellent season.
You thought he had 40+ tackles against QOS the other night so forgive me if I don't take stats too seriously, I think I've seen stats for games challenged on here before. Who makes them is all down to interpretation :aok:

[easty]

Usual suspects.

A Hibs player gets picked for a team of the season and the knockers choose to criticise rather than be happy for the player.


It was the same when Hanlon was called up for Scotland earlier this season. Instead of acknowledging that he’d been called up for his good performances, we actually had Hibs fans saying that the fact he didn’t play meant Clarke doesn’t rate him.

Some people won’t change their mind, regardless of what’s actually happening.

[Crunchie]

Usual suspects.

A Hibs player gets picked for a team of the season and the knockers choose to criticise rather than be happy for the player.

Based on stats it is a relevant selection, I take it Siegrist gets the nod over Mcgregor as he makes more saves.
I'm delighted for the boy don't get me wrong, I'd love to see big Daz's stats in the few games he's played for us. To me stats mean diddly squat.

[Brightside]

Usual suspects.

A Hibs player gets picked for a team of the season and the knockers choose to criticise rather than be happy for the player.

Based on stats it is a relevant selection, I take it Siegrist gets the nod over Mcgregor as he makes more saves.

Yep. McGregor clearly a great keeper but only makes 2 or 3 saves most games.

[Allez Hibs]

Usual suspects.

A Hibs player gets picked for a team of the season and the knockers choose to criticise rather than be happy for the player.

Based on stats it is a relevant selection, I take it Siegrist gets the nod over Mcgregor as he makes more saves.

Is there a SPFL or Football Wrters team of the year in Scotland? Serious question, how many Players hvae we had in it say over last 20 years? Anyone know?

[Brightside]

I'm delighted for the boy don't get me wrong, I'd love to see big Daz's stats in the few games he's played for us. To me stats mean diddly squat.

6.99

[easty]

I'm delighted for the boy don't get me wrong, I'd love to see big Daz's stats in the few games he's played for us. To me stats mean diddly squat.

Why would you love to see Daz’s stats if “stats mean diddly squat”?

The stats are available if you want them. To compare Daz and Hanlon.

[04Sauzee]

Usual suspects.

A Hibs player gets picked for a team of the season and the knockers choose to criticise rather than be happy for the player.

Based on stats it is a relevant selection, I take it Siegrist gets the nod over Mcgregor as he makes more saves.

I dont think anyone is having a pop at Hanlon on this thread.

I did mention that Christie is in the team which according to the stats they use he should be. My eyes have told me who has looked very poor this season 😃

[Crunchie]

Why would you love to see Daz’s stats if “stats mean diddly squat”?

The stats are available if you want them. To compare Daz and Hanlon.
Daz has been outstanding, way better than Hanlon imo, at 6.99 I think I'd be correct in saying stats mean diddly squat.

[easty]

6.99

That’s the rating.

Aerial Duals won -
Hanlon - 5.7 per game (73% of duals total)
Daz - 4.5 per game (73% of duals total)

Tackles -
Hanlon - attempts 2 per game, dribbled past 0.4 (80% success)
Daz - attempts 1.6 per game, dribbled past 0.9 (44% success)

Interceptions
Hanlon - 1.6 per game
Daz - 1.8 per game

Clearances -
Hanlon - 4.4 per game
Daz - 5 per game

[easty]

Daz has been outstanding, way better than Hanlon imo, at 6.99 I think I'd be correct in saying stats mean diddly squat.

When it suits you, they mean diddly squat.

Daz hasn’t been better than Hanlon this season.

[Brightside]

Daz has been outstanding, way better than Hanlon imo, at 6.99 I think I'd be correct in saying stats mean diddly squat.

He's played 6 full games, and he's had some excellent performances when called upon this season. But you have clearly been shown why statistically Hanlon has been our best defender this season and one of the best in the league. It doesnt matter what you or I think. Thats not what the thread is about.

[Crunchie]

When it suits you, they mean diddly squat.

Daz hasn’t been better than Hanlon this season.
You can manipulate stats any way you want to, I happen to think Daz has been outstanding when played this season, better than Hanlon or Porteous, it's only my opinion my friend.

[hibee316]

Daz has been outstanding, way better than Hanlon imo, at 6.99 I think I'd be correct in saying stats mean diddly squat.

Well, I'm glad you are nowhere near picking the team. :)

Successful football teams these days use a large chunk of stats and "intuition" to pick players.

Stats meaning "diddly squat" in top level sport is just not true.

[easty]

You can manipulate stats any way you want to, I happen to think Daz has been outstanding when played this season, better than Hanlon or Porteous, it's only my opinion my friend.

Fair enough mate. I love Darren Mcgregor! Wish he was a few years younger he’d be playing every week.

[Crunchie]

Fair enough mate. I love Darren Mcgregor! Wish he was a few years younger he’d be playing every week.
:aok:

[calumhibee1]

You can manipulate stats any way you want to, I happen to think Daz has been outstanding when played this season, better than Hanlon or Porteous, it's only my opinion my friend.

I’d agree. Although very limited in numbers, McGregors performances have been the best of all defenders in our squad imo.

I’d have Daz and Hanlon at CB in a heartbeat.

[Allant1981]

Surprised Boyle isn't there, might be biased but he has been better than christie

[Since90+2]

Surprised Boyle isn't there, might be biased but he has been better than christie

Thing is with things like this though it's not picking the best players in the league.

[Smartie]

Hanlon’s had a very good season. My entirely subjective opinion but interesting that it seems to be borne out by facts.

When you play as many games as he does there will be mistakes along the way. McGregor was very good when he came into the side but IMO wasn’t great in the Motherwell game. That single game will have skewed his stats, as happens with smaller sample sizes (ie McGregor having played many fewer games than Hanlon).

Hanlon and Gogic are possibly our two main men right now and their effectiveness in their roles will be going a long way towards us having earned ourselves our decent league position.

[scoopyboy]

Is there a SPFL or Football Wrters team of the year in Scotland? Serious question, how many Players hvae we had in it say over last 20 years? Anyone know?

There's a Football Writers Player of the Year which I think was the original and has been obviously running the longest. I think they do a team as well

There is the Players Team of the Year, where players cast votes for team, player and young player. Can't vote for players of their own club.

Not sure about SPFL.

For a team of the year I think the only Hibs player I would have in it would be Martin Boyle, Nisbet and Doig have done really well but they are up against it with Old Firm players in their positions that have done better.

Without googling we have had a few over the last 20 years. At a guess O'Connor, Riordan, Fletcher, Brown, Thomson, Griffiths, Stokes, McGinn, McGeouch.

[scoopyboy]

You can manipulate stats any way you want to, I happen to think Daz has been outstanding when played this season, better than Hanlon or Porteous, it's only my opinion my friend.

I think Daz has been outstanding too in the games he played, came in at a time when we were wobbling and steadied the ship.

As to whether he's been better than Hanlon or Porteous not in my opinion, but everyone is entitled to their opinion.

My reasoning would be the number of games played by each of the three players tells its own story.

[MWHIBBIES]

I'm delighted for the boy don't get me wrong, I'd love to see big Daz's stats in the few games he's played for us. To me stats mean diddly squat.

They mean so little that every club in the world uses them extensively.

[Allez Hibs]

There's a Football Writers Player of the Year which I think was the original and has been obviously running the longest. I think they do a team as well

There is the Players Team of the Year, where players cast votes for team, player and young player. Can't vote for players of their own club.

Not sure about SPFL.

For a team of the year I think the only Hibs player I would have in it would be Martin Boyle, Nisbet and Doig have done really well but they are up against it with Old Firm players in their positions that have done better.

Without googling we have had a few over the last 20 years. At a guess O'Connor, Riordan, Fletcher, Brown, Thomson, Griffiths, Stokes, McGinn, McGeouch.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PFA_Scotland_Team_of_the_Year


Players team of the year listed there since 06-07, Hibs players who have made it:

Premier

Brown
Whittaker
Liam Miller
Griffiths
McGinn
McGeough

Championship

Gray
Stevenson x2
Allan
McGregor x2
McGinn x2
Cummings

[Fergus52]

https://www.skysports.com/football/news/12040/12269071/scottish-premiership-team-of-the-season-rangers-dominate-whoscoreds-statistical-xi

Newall was also in this XI, ahead of Odoffin, until very recently.

If we keep playing how we played the other night, good chance he'll overtake him again.

[scoopyboy]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PFA_Scotland_Team_of_the_Year


Players team of the year listed there since 06-07, Hibs players who have made it:

Premier

Brown
Whittaker
Liam Miller
Griffiths
McGinn
McGeough

Championship

Gray
Stevenson x2
Allan
McGregor x2
McGinn x2
Cummings

Interesting stuff.

I quite like the Players awards as they aren't biased as certain football journalists can be.

[Lendo]

Really like Siegrist. Would my complain if he was Rocky’s replacement.

[Fergus52]

Surprised Boyle isn't there, might be biased but he has been better than christie

had a quick look at what attacking midfielders weren't in the XI, but were ahead of Boyle based on their ranking (which is by no means a perfect metric).

And Turnball, Roofe, Wotherspoon, Hagi were all rated higher than Boyle for their performances this season.

Quite surprising as 11 goals and 5 assists is much better than any other winger in the league this year. Some random stat like number of times dispossessed, or passing accuracy, must be bringing his rating down compared to those players listed. He also had a few very poor games, which might bring down his overall rating.

He'd probably be the right winger in my team of the season, even accounting for the several poor runs of form he had, based on his end product alone.

[PatHead]

I would rather have Boyle over Kent in the Hibs team.

[basehibby]

https://www.skysports.com/football/news/12040/12269071/scottish-premiership-team-of-the-season-rangers-dominate-whoscoreds-statistical-xi

Without looking - Martin Boyle, Paul Hanlon, Joe Newall and Kevin Nisbet would all be in with a shout.

EDIT - Hanlon is our man - well done Paul!
It was always going to be dominated by Rangers but honestly surprised there's no room for Boyle in there - who gets my vote as our player of the season.

[basehibby]

I'm delighted for the boy don't get me wrong, I'd love to see big Daz's stats in the few games he's played for us. To me stats mean diddly squat.

Daz's stats are shown in the same report .... https://www.whoscored.com/Teams/320/Show/Scotland-Hibernian

On the head to head Hanlon wins on every stat listed.

NB - agree that stats don't tell the full story. I would give Boyle my personal player of the season so far - squeezing home in front of Newell and Hanlon in that order - but he only comes in 10th according to their analysis.

[basehibby]

Daz has been outstanding, way better than Hanlon imo, at 6.99 I think I'd be correct in saying stats mean diddly squat.

Daz has been great for us when called upon apart from the recent defeat vs Motherwell when he had a bit of a mare against their big striker and was correctly subbed. Hanlon has been an ever present and has been a stalwart in a successful defence. Sure he's made the odd error but has more than made up for them over the piece and has been a superb captain for us as to boot (all IMO naturally)

[MWHIBBIES]

Daz has been outstanding, way better than Hanlon imo, at 6.99 I think I'd be correct in saying stats mean diddly squat.

He's played about 5 games. Have you heard of sample size?

[tamh]

Usual suspects.

A Hibs player gets picked for a team of the season and the knockers choose to criticise rather than be happy for the player.

Based on stats it is a relevant selection, I take it Siegrist gets the nod over Mcgregor as he makes more saves.
Well done Scoopyboy . Stats don't lie. :not worth:aok: