Kudela

[EI255]

Be interesting in June when Kudela plays Scotland at Hampden.

Wonder if the Czechs will field him?

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[CropleyWasGod]

Be interesting in June when Kudela plays Scotland at Hampden.

Wonder if the Czechs will field him?

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Unless he has been suspended by then, I'm not sure why they wouldn't.

[Sir David Gray]

Unless he has been suspended by then, I'm not sure why they wouldn't.

I think there was initially some talk that he wouldn't travel to Wales the other week due to fears that he would be arrested if he entered the UK but he eventually travelled.

[tamig]

I think there was initially some talk that he wouldn't travel to Wales the other week due to fears that he would be arrested if he entered the UK but he eventually travelled.

He’s never travelled to the Arsenal game tonight. Very conveniently injured. Allegedly.

[hibbysam]

He’s never travelled to the Arsenal game tonight. Very conveniently injured. Allegedly.

He’s banned. He got a 1 game ban while they investigate.

[Andy74]

He’s banned. He got a 1 game ban while they investigate.

Yeah, 1 game ban because it was clear he abused another player. They are now trying to assess what form the abuse took.

I’m not sure Kamara’s lawyer has been helpful but I guess he knows who his audience is, by essentially saying that evidence has been provided and so they should move on to sentencing. Not sure how his normal lawyering would work on that basis. At the same time has criticised the length of the ban even though he knows it isn’t the final judgement...

[hibbysam]

Yeah, 1 game ban because it was clear he abused another player. They are now trying to assess what form the abuse took.

I’m not sure Kamara’s lawyer has been helpful but I guess he knows who his audience is, by essentially saying that evidence has been provided and so they should move on to sentencing. Not sure how his normal lawyering would work on that basis. At the same time has criticised the length of the ban even though he knows it isn’t the final judgement...

Just strange for me. I’ve never heard of someone being given a provisional ban dependant on the outcome of an investigation. Too many sound bites from uefa instead of just getting on with it.

[Andy74]

Just strange for me. I’ve never heard of someone being given a provisional ban dependant on the outcome of an investigation. Too many sound bites from uefa instead of just getting on with it.

Don’t think it is provisional as such. It is a 1 game ban regardless because it is clear he abused another player.

The investigation is whether the nature of that abuse means he is guilty of a further offence.

[hibbysam]

Don’t think it is provisional as such. It is a 1 game ban regardless because it is clear he abused another player.

The investigation is whether the nature of that abuse means he is guilty of a further offence.

Apologies I read it as a provisional, pending investigation, have only read the headlines about it and not the finer details however.

[Andy74]

Apologies I read it as a provisional, pending investigation, have only read the headlines about it and not the finer details however.

Don’t think anyone involved has made it very clear! You do wonder how it can possibly take this long to figure out what happened.

[hibbysam]

Don’t think anyone involved has made it very clear! You do wonder how it can possibly take this long to figure out what happened.

Especially when there isn’t going to be any specific evidence pinning him. So all they have just now is all they will ever have, witness statements, refs report etc. Baffles me why it takes so long to conduct these proceedings.

[Andy74]

Especially when there isn’t going to be any specific evidence pinning him. So all they have just now is all they will ever have, witness statements, refs report etc. Baffles me why it takes so long to conduct these proceedings.

They are probably very nervous because I doubt it can be proved.

[bingo70]

They are probably very nervous because I doubt it can be proved.

I’ve wondered about this.

The idea that the Prague player said “you ****ing guy” is clearly ludicrous but can any judge say that? Can judges only deal with cold hard facts or can they make a judgement call?

[Sir David Gray]

I’ve wondered about this.

The idea that the Prague player said “you ****ing guy” is clearly ludicrous but can any judge say that? Can judges only deal with cold hard facts or can they make a judgement call?

If it goes to court it needs to be "beyond reasonable doubt" in order to secure a conviction.

A UEFA hearing won't require the same level of proof, they'll just deal in the balance of probabilities.

[hibbysam]

If it goes to court it needs to be "beyond reasonable doubt" in order to secure a conviction.

A UEFA hearing won't require the same level of proof, they'll just deal in the balance of probabilities.

I’d imagine with witnesses though it isn’t just simply 1 vs the other, although no microphones picked it up, I’d expect you can still get a conviction off witnesses.

[Sir David Gray]

I’d imagine with witnesses though it isn’t just simply 1 vs the other, although no microphones picked it up, I’d expect you can still get a conviction off witnesses.

Yep if it goes to court then corroboration from a witness would help in securing a conviction in terms of the offence being proved "beyond reasonable doubt". It's hard to see a conviction in court without any witness evidence.

With a UEFA hearing I doubt evidence from a witness would be required, particularly with the nonsense explanation being offered by Kudela. Although I'm sure it would certainly help to have a witness.

[EI255]

I think it's pretty shocking he had to cover his gob when he muttered his filth to Kamara.

Should tell the authorities all they need to know. Disgraceful!

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[dalkeith stu]

I think it's pretty shocking he had to cover his gob when he muttered his filth to Kamara.

Should tell the authorities all they need to know. Disgraceful!

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Doesn't prove anything with top players now!!!
Watch any game at tbe weekend and 99% of players will be covering their mouths when talking to each other.

[badabing67]

Banned for 10 games serves him right.... Should have been longer

[Sir David Gray]

Banned for 10 games serves him right.... Should have been longer

I understand that by making this decision UEFA has ruled that Kudela has racially abused Kamara and if that is the case then the ban should have been a lot longer than 10 matches in my opinion.

I also personally feel that Kamara's ban should have been suspended for a year given the provocation.

[Northernhibee]

I understand that by making this decision UEFA has ruled that Kudela has racially abused Kamara and if that is the case then the ban should have been a lot longer than 10 matches in my opinion.

I also personally feel that Kamara's ban should have been suspended for a year given the provocation.

:agree:

Twelve month ban for me minimum. I'd say a lifetime ban but that doesn't give the opportunity for someone to regret their actions and change their character.

[Andy74]

I understand that by making this decision UEFA has ruled that Kudela has racially abused Kamara and if that is the case then the ban should have been a lot longer than 10 matches in my opinion.

I also personally feel that Kamara's ban should have been suspended for a year given the provocation.

Should be a year if they are serious about this.

On the assault though, provocation or not assaulting folk isn’t the way to deal with it.

[Sir David Gray]

Should be a year if they are serious about this.

On the assault though, provocation or not assaulting folk isn’t the way to deal with it.

I agree assault's not the way to deal with it and I think a suspended ban was the way to deal with it and activate it if there had been any further acts of violence from Kamara within the next year.

As far as I'm aware he's not got a violent past.

[Magpie]

Should be a year if they are serious about this.

On the assault though, provocation or not assaulting folk isn’t the way to deal with it.

Yep, don’t think anyone should be unpunished for assault.

[HoboHarry]

:agree:

Twelve month ban for me minimum. I'd say a lifetime ban but that doesn't give the opportunity for someone to regret their actions and change their character.
A lifetime ban for a comment (no matter how bad)? What other crimes would warrant a lifetime ban?

[Wilson]

I agree assault's not the way to deal with it and I think a suspended ban was the way to deal with it and activate it if there had been any further acts of violence from Kamara within the next year.

As far as I'm aware he's not got a violent past.

Disagree. Assault is still pretty serious. He needs to sit out games. A suspended ban doesn't send out a strong enough message.

[Northernhibee]

A lifetime ban for a comment (no matter how bad)? What other crimes would warrant a lifetime ban?

If I was to make a racist comment to a colleague or a guest at our work, I'd not work in the industry again.

[hibsbollah]

They had a chance to make a major statement here. If you want to stop this happening, ban him for a year. A 10 game ban proves FIFA arent serious about stamping it out.

I think players strikes aren’t far off.

[Steve20]

People saying it's right there is punishment for the assault are saying that because it's a Rangers player. If it has been a Hibs (or Celtic) player that had assaulted a racist, then people on here would be applauding that player. Rightfully so.

Don't downplay what a ****bag someone is for being a racist because you don't like Rangers. The Slavia player got away very lenient and Kamara shouldn't have any ban.

[HoboHarry]

If I was to make a racist comment to a colleague or a guest at our work, I'd not work in the industry again.
That would be because prospective employers chose not to hire you would it not? Very different from being banned.....

[Andy74]

People saying it's right there is punishment for the assault are saying that because it's a Rangers player. If it has been a Hibs (or Celtic) player that had assaulted a racist, then people on here would be applauding that player. Rightfully so.

Don't downplay what a ****bag someone is for being a racist because you don't like Rangers. The Slavia player got away very lenient and Kamara shouldn't have any ban.

Well, this is nonsense.

There is no downplaying - only you mentioned Rangers and every reply has said the punishment for racism wasn’t enough.

Assault is assault though - most people don’t react to an injustice by assaulting someone. Perhaps you do go through life like that but ordinarily assault is punished.

[WeeRussell]

Well, this is nonsense.

There is no downplaying - only you mentioned Rangers and every reply has said the punishment for racism wasn’t enough.

Assault is assault though - most people don’t react to an injustice by assaulting someone. Perhaps you do go through life like that but ordinarily assault is punished.

Exactly.

I think the vast majority of level-minded posters on here would criticise physical assault as revenge, regardless of who the player represents. They certainly wouldn’t be arguing that the player should go unpunished.

I for one wouldn’t want young Hibs fans learning from their idols that beating people up is the way to solve issues within the game or life.

We are all totally against racism and completely sympathetic to Kamara. Making out like attacking people is okay doesn’t make someone any more righteous in their support.

[WeeRussell]

What did Suarez get - 8 games?

[Sir David Gray]

People saying it's right there is punishment for the assault are saying that because it's a Rangers player. If it has been a Hibs (or Celtic) player that had assaulted a racist, then people on here would be applauding that player. Rightfully so.

Don't downplay what a ****bag someone is for being a racist because you don't like Rangers. The Slavia player got away very lenient and Kamara shouldn't have any ban.

I can't speak for everyone but that's not the case with me. Regardless of what's been said, assault cannot be condoned.

I think a suspended ban strikes a good balance between recognising that Kamara's response was unacceptable but he did face severe provocation and (I believe) he does not have a history of violent conduct.

[matty_f]

Said at the time that if the boy got a sore face then I wouldn’t have had any sympathy for the racist prick, but you can’t condone assault and so it’s right that Kamara has some form of sanction. Given the circumstances, a suspended sentence would have been more appropriate - he’s the victim in this situation, not the racist.

[Keith_M]

I realise it's all a matter of opinion but I think a ten game ban sounds fair enough.


However, I'd like to see more punishments dished out to clubs where there's been large scale racism shown by the Fans of said club. Sadly. that's something that seem to be on the rise in the last few years.

[Barney McGrew]

Said at the time that if the boy got a sore face then I wouldn’t have had any sympathy for the racist prick, but you can’t condone assault and so it’s right that Kamara has some form of sanction. Given the circumstances, a suspended sentence would have been more appropriate - he’s the victim in this situation, not the racist.

I can’t agree with that Matty.

Regardless of how much of a prick Kudela was, Kamara can’t get away with lamping him. It’s not even as if it was done in the heat of the moment either, he waited for him coming off the pitch a good while after the incident and clocked him. It’s violent conduct and he deserves what he got.

[matty_f]

I can’t agree with that Matty.

Regardless of how much of a prick Kudela was, Kamara can’t get away with lamping him. It’s not even as if it was done in the heat of the moment either, he waited for him coming off the pitch a good while after the incident and clocked him. It’s violent conduct and he deserves what he got.
I think there’s a case to take mitigating circumstances into consideration and the player’s lack of previous into account.

[Juniper Greens]

10 games isn't enough for me. It should be a 3 or 6 month ban. Nothing stopping the Czechs setting up some Diddy friendlies now.
Whilst I have absolute sympathy for Kamara, I think its right he got a ban. Roofes ban surprised me a bit, but I don't know if there was any malice behind it or not?

[easty]

Well, this is nonsense.

There is no downplaying - only you mentioned Rangers and every reply has said the punishment for racism wasn’t enough.

Assault is assault though - most people don’t react to an injustice by assaulting someone. Perhaps you do go through life like that but ordinarily assault is punished.

:agree:

If he had smacked the boy when he said it then I could see the argument for defending Kamara, but it was after the game. After the incident. That's not to downplay what was said to him at all...but there's clear a difference between an instant reaction to something, and a premeditated attack later on. Kamara deserves the ban.

[easty]

10 games isn't enough for me. It should be a 3 or 6 month ban. Nothing stopping the Czechs setting up some Diddy friendlies now.
Whilst I have absolute sympathy for Kamara, I think its right he got a ban. Roofes ban surprised me a bit, but I don't know if there was any malice behind it or not?

10 games will be about 3 months, roughly, won't it?

[Billy Whizz]

10 games will be about 3 months, roughly, won't it?

Is it 10 European games?

[easty]

Is it 10 European games?

Good point, I'm not actually sure.

[Argylehibby]

Is it 10 European games?

From the bbc.

Consequently, he missed Slavia's 1-1 draw at Arsenal last week and will now also be ineligible for the next nine games played by either Slavia in Europe or the Czech Republic national team, which will almost certainly include the Euros.

[Sir David Gray]

Is it 10 European games?

It's a UEFA ban so since he's already served a one match ban he'll miss the next nine games played either by Slavia Prague in Europe or by the Czech Republic national team.

He's eligible to play for Slavia Prague in their league and domestic cup matches.

[calumhibee1]

They had a chance to make a major statement here. If you want to stop this happening, ban him for a year. A 10 game ban proves FIFA arent serious about stamping it out.

I think players strikes aren’t far off.

I don’t think anybody would have been disappointed had they given him a year. However, a 10 game ban is almost unheard of in football so I’m not sure it proves that FIFA aren’t serious.

Who would the player have appealed to if he’d been given a year? I presume it would be an independent body? It would almost certainly have been downgraded if he’d been given that and an independent body looked at it.

[lord bunberry]

It's a UEFA ban so since he's already served a one match ban he'll miss the next nine games played either by Slavia Prague in Europe or by the Czech Republic national team.

He's eligible to play for Slavia Prague in their league and domestic cup matches.
Is it likely he’d have played in the Euros for the Czechs?

[Sir David Gray]

Is it likely he’d have played in the Euros for the Czechs?

He has played in their most recent matches so I think he would have been a certainty to have at least made the squad.

[hibsbollah]

I don’t think anybody would have been disappointed had they given him a year. However, a 10 game ban is almost unheard of in football so I’m not sure it proves that FIFA aren’t serious.

Who would the player have appealed to if he’d been given a year? I presume it would be an independent body? It would almost certainly have been downgraded if he’d been given that and an independent body looked at it.

International Court for Arbitration of Sport, who are not going to look favourably on racists. And in a last resort he could go to the EU under restraint of trade I think.

But really FIFA could have done whatever they saw fit. 10 games is weaker than nuns piss.

[Magpie]

People saying it's right there is punishment for the assault are saying that because it's a Rangers player. If it has been a Hibs (or Celtic) player that had assaulted a racist, then people on here would be applauding that player. Rightfully so.

Don't downplay what a ****bag someone is for being a racist because you don't like Rangers. The Slavia player got away very lenient and Kamara shouldn't have any ban.

😂 what a load of nonsense. Couldn’t care who it was, whether it was a footballer or just a random person on the street, assault should not be let go lightly.

[Magpie]

:agree:

If he had smacked the boy when he said it then I could see the argument for defending Kamara, but it was after the game. After the incident. That's not to downplay what was said to him at all...but there's clear a difference between an instant reaction to something, and a premeditated attack later on. Kamara deserves the ban.

Has it even been confirmed that the player Kamara assaulted was Kudela? Reports I’ve read just say a ‘player’.

[CMurdoch]

At 34 Kudela has done himself big damage by his behaviour.
Can't play in the Euro's or World Cup Qualifiers for his country or in Europe for his club so it is a decent
punishment.
A sad aspect is he is still denying wrongdoing through his legal team. It will interesting to see if he appeals the verdict or punishment.

[lord bunberry]

He has played in their most recent matches so I think he would have been a certainty to have at least made the squad.
That’s good that he’ll miss the euros, maybe it will make him reflect on what’s an idiot he’s been.

[EI255]

That’s good that he’ll miss the euros, maybe it will make him reflect on what’s an idiot he’s been.And missing out on the Euros will definitely live with him for the rest of his puff. A lot to ponder over for this guy.

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[calumhibee1]

At 34 Kudela has done himself big damage by his behaviour.
Can't play in the Euro's or World Cup Qualifiers for his country or in Europe for his club so it is a decent
punishment.
A sad aspect is he is still denying wrongdoing through his legal team. It will interesting to see if he appeals the verdict or punishment.

If he’s going to continue to deny it then he pretty much has to appeal it I’d say.

[Danderhall Hibs]

Has it even been confirmed that the player Kamara assaulted was Kudela? Reports I’ve read just say a ‘player’.

Just a “guy”.

[Danderhall Hibs]

If he’s going to continue to deny it then he pretty much has to appeal it I’d say.

Apparently the ban can be increased after appeal so that might put him off.

[DH1875]

If he’s going to continue to deny it then he pretty much has to appeal it I’d say.

Has he not apologised though?

[EdinMike]

Has he not apologised though?

I’m sure I heard or read that a S. Prague official blankly apologised for the incident happening but not the incident itself. And I know that phrase wording if correct isn’t being abhorrent to racism. But I’m not a media outlet !

[BoomtownHibees]

However, a 10 game ban is almost unheard of in football so I’m not sure it proves that FIFA aren’t serious.

Kieran Trippier was given a 10 week ban (12-14 matches) for telling his mate he was moving to Spain, breaking betting regulations. Good they’ve got their priorities in order

[jeffers]

I’d have thought he’d have some marks/bruising after his assault by Kamara, if it was as bad as he claimed. Has there been any pictures of his injuries ?

[Keith_M]

Kieran Trippier was given a 10 week ban (12-14 matches) for telling his mate he was moving to Spain, breaking betting regulations. Good they’ve got their priorities in order


It's football. Money comes before everything else.

[easty]

I’d have thought he’d have some marks/bruising after his assault by Kamara, if it was as bad as he claimed. Has there been any pictures of his injuries ?

How bad did he claim it was, and have Rangers even denied it happened?

[jeffers]

How bad did he claim it was, and have Rangers even denied it happened?

From BBC Sport:

Slavia had asserted that Kudela was subject to a "brutal attack" by Kamara, which was "carried out with full intensity in order to injure and cause physical damage".
They said Uefa delegates witnessed the incident, along with Rangers manager Steven Gerrard.

Not read Rangers take on it.

[Tommy75]

It's football. Money comes before everything else.

Not just football unfortunately.

[calumhibee1]

I’d have thought he’d have some marks/bruising after his assault by Kamara, if it was as bad as he claimed. Has there been any pictures of his injuries ?

I’m presuming his ban is based on some form of evidence/eye witnesses so they must have had something to go on to ban him.

[easty]

From BBC Sport:

Slavia had asserted that Kudela was subject to a "brutal attack" by Kamara, which was "carried out with full intensity in order to injure and cause physical damage".
They said Uefa delegates witnessed the incident, along with Rangers manager Steven Gerrard.

Not read Rangers take on it.

It was witnessed by UEFA delegates, so evidence of his bruises obviously weren’t necessary.

[jeffers]

It was witnessed by UEFA delegates, so evidence of his bruises obviously weren’t necessary.

Not suggesting it was just if it was as bad as they portray we’d have seen pics as we did with their keeper.

[Andy74]

Not suggesting it was just if it was as bad as they portray we’d have seen pics as we did with their keeper.

We didn’t need to see the cuts to see the tackle and the punishment it deserved though.

Assault is assault - if it was witnessed (and this should have been easier than the racist attack to prove) then it doesn’t really matter how hurt he got.

The racist abuse would not have been different if Kamara had laughed it off, said it didn’t bother him and instead he pitied anyone ignorant enough to come out with that nonsense. Nah, it would still have been racist abuse.

[Hibs Class]

From BBC Sport:

Slavia had asserted that Kudela was subject to a "brutal attack" by Kamara, which was "carried out with full intensity in order to injure and cause physical damage".
They said Uefa delegates witnessed the incident, along with Rangers manager Steven Gerrard.

Not read Rangers take on it.

The Rangers' statement:
We welcome the suspension imposed on Ondrej Kudela. This not only vindicates Glen Kamara’s evidence but underlines the severity of the comment, given the number of games which have been imposed by UEFA.
Nevertheless, we believe the sanctions imposed on our two players (Glen Kamara and Kemar Roofe) are severe. We have written to UEFA, seeking clarification in writing on the basis that we intend to appeal the suspensions on both of players.
We will make no further comment on this matter.

[calumhibee1]

The Rangers' statement:
We welcome the suspension imposed on Ondrej Kudela. This not only vindicates Glen Kamara’s evidence but underlines the severity of the comment, given the number of games which have been imposed by UEFA.
Nevertheless, we believe the sanctions imposed on our two players (Glen Kamara and Kemar Roofe) are severe. We have written to UEFA, seeking clarification in writing on the basis that we intend to appeal the suspensions on both of players.
We will make no further comment on this matter.

Rangers obviously feel it was a punishment that fits the crime.

[lord bunberry]

We didn’t need to see the cuts to see the tackle and the punishment it deserved though.

Assault is assault - if it was witnessed (and this should have been easier than the racist attack to prove) then it doesn’t really matter how hurt he got.

The racist abuse would not have been different if Kamara had laughed it off, said it didn’t bother him and instead he pitied anyone ignorant enough to come out with that nonsense. Nah, it would still have been racist abuse.
I think the point is that it was reported as a brutal assault.

[mal]

The Rangers' statement:
We welcome the suspension imposed on Ondrej Kudela. This not only vindicates Glen Kamara’s evidence but underlines the severity of the comment, given the number of games which have been imposed by UEFA.
Nevertheless, we believe the sanctions imposed on our two players (Glen Kamara and Kemar Roofe) are severe. We have written to UEFA, seeking clarification in writing on the basis that we intend to appeal the suspensions on both of players.
We will make no further comment on this matter.

It's pretty disgusting that the Rangers are planning to appeal Roofe's ban. He could easily have killed the keeper.

[CropleyWasGod]

Perhaps more to come for both.

BBC News - Rangers: Police Scotland submit report amid allegations of assault & racial abuse
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/56762114

[neil7908]

It's pretty disgusting that the Rangers are planning to appeal Roofe's ban. He could easily have killed the keeper.

Yup. I understand why the racist incident been the focus but its meant the "tackle" by Roofe has been completely ignored. It was disgraceful challenge. And it looks like he hasn't apologised. Classic hun behaviour.