Finding Jack Charlton BBC 2

[PatHead]

Interesting programme about a real giant of the game on tonight at 9pm.
Goes right through his career as a player, manager until his dementia at the end.

[JimBHibees]

Absolutely superb programme. Very sad but also hugely inspirational.

[JimBHibees]

Would recommend watching this just about to show on Beeb 2"

[The dalmeny]

Missed the start, very good

[poolman]

I'll get it on catch up, he's a guy I've always liked, except when he played for Leeds against Hibs 😁

Says it like it is and to hell with anyone who disagrees.

Looking forward to watching it

[lapsedhibee]

Would recommend watching this just about to show on Beeb 2"

Good recommend. That was excellent :aok:

[Greenbeard]

Loved the disbelieving look on his face when the kid reporter asked him straight up about the mercenary English, Scottish and Welsh players he had assembled to play for Ireland!
An Irish kid reporter with a brassier neck than Jack himself.

[EdinMike]

Fantastic watch, really enjoyed it.

[davy67 +]

Excellent stuff Definitely recommend it .

[Newry Hibs]

It was a great watch. Poignant to anyone who has experience of dementia as well.

[BroxburnHibee]

That was a poignant watch but a great tribute. Didn't even consider the impact an Englishman being so popular over there would have on aiding the peace process. Such a shame his brother is going through the same thing.

[Stanton Spence]

It was a really good watch and even the other half said she found it very emotional. Oh and she preferred Jack's version of the away the lads song compared to the lyrics in the old hibs version [emoji848]

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[Lancs Harp]

Will always have a bit of a soft spot for Jack. Member of England's 66 winning team of course, but as a kid who was decent but not brilliant myself, I played most of my football as a defender. Jacks quote that lived with me forever as far as my own football "career" went " I might not be the best footballer in the world but I'll make it bl00dy hard for those that think they are"

[jgl07]

I met him in Edinburgh in May 1989. I was filling up my car by the Maybury when in walks Jack Charlton. I was wondering why he was in Edinburgh as he was manager of the Republic of Ireland at the time.

When I read the local paper I worked out that he was up for the funeral of Don Revie who had died at Murrayfield Hospital four days earlier.

Jack wasn't buying fuel in the filling station, he had stopped to buy a packet of cigarettes. As he pointed out, giving up smoking was dead easy as he had given up six times.

[hibsbollah]

I was lucky enough to meet him and he was a great character.

Loved the programme.

[PatHead]

Just watched it after telling everyone else to watch it.

Really heartwarming story. Didn't realise he was credited with doing so much for Ireland as a country. Seemed to be a real character.

[Greenbeard]

Just watched it after telling everyone else to watch it.

Really heartwarming story. Didn't realise he was credited with doing so much for Ireland as a country. Seemed to be a real character.
Seemed to be highly respected as a man-manager and getting the Ireland team to bond and play for each other but whilst that array of scribbled prep notes looked like it contained a whole load of nuggets, it was a right mess. And the revelation that for the World Cup penalty shoot-out v Romania to take Ireland to the QFs he just left the players to decide who was taking them, and that the fifth penalty taker David O'Leary had never before taken a penalty, has to leave at least a modicum of doubt about how he prepared his team. No penalty practice?
Having said that, if Steve Clarke gets Scotland to a WC QF I wouldn't give one jot what he did or didn't do with the team in training. He would be lauded in the same way Jack so rightly was by the Irish fans.

[Pagan Hibernia]

He was a lovely old school gentleman who said it as it is. Pity there wasn’t more of his like around now.

would I have welcomed his tactics at Easter Road? Hmmm. I’m not sure. Depends on success and silverware I suppose. But his teams were not easy on the eye.

[hibsbollah]

Seemed to be highly respected as a man-manager and getting the Ireland team to bond and play for each other but whilst that array of scribbled prep notes looked like it contained a whole load of nuggets, it was a right mess. And the revelation that for the World Cup penalty shoot-out v Romania to take Ireland to the QFs he just left the players to decide who was taking them, and that the fifth penalty taker David O'Leary had never before taken a penalty, has to leave at least a modicum of doubt about how he prepared his team. No penalty practice?
Having said that, if Steve Clarke gets Scotland to a WC QF I wouldn't give one jot what he did or didn't do with the team in training. He would be lauded in the same way Jack so rightly was by the Irish fans.

That was pretty par for the course then. The England team never practiced penalties in those years when they were forever losing them. I think Italy too. There was a long held school of thought that you had to be spontaneous, had to see who was feeling confident at the time, and that just running up and hitting it was best in high pressure situations.

From a purist point of view they were horrible to watch in 88 and especially in Italia 90 but they played to their strengths.

[Pagan Hibernia]

That was pretty par for the course then. The England team never practiced penalties in those years when they were forever losing them. I think Italy too. There was a long held school of thought that you had to be spontaneous, had to see who was feeling confident at the time, and that just running up and hitting it was best in high pressure situations.

From a purist point of view they were horrible to watch in 88 and especially in Italia 90 but they played to their strengths.

:agree:

played 5 games in Italia 90, scored two goals, didn’t win a single game (except on pens)

[JimBHibees]

:agree:

played 5 games, scored two goals, didn’t win a single game (except on pens)

They were playing some cracking teams though. Italy Holland England Romania

[EI255]

Absolutely superb programme. Very sad but also hugely inspirational.Agreed. Real quality documentary about a top bloke. Loved the world Cup stuff. Sad to hear about Paul McGrath's background too. But that Irish team were brilliant back in the day. JC had them all playing superbly and to the best of their abilities.

RIP Jack


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[BILLYHIBS]

:top marks

[Baker9]

There was also a gem of a shorter tribute to him after the main documentary.

[Crunchie]

Just got done watching it and it's a :top marks from me. Always liked big Jack for some unknown reason.

[PatHead]

Just got done watching it and it's a :top marks from me. Always liked big Jack for some unknown reason.

I think he was popular because he was just an ordinary guy, no airs or graces. His brother never had the common touch.

[Crunchie]

I think he was popular because he was just an ordinary guy, no airs or graces. His brother never had the common touch.
Probably mate, his brother did seem to come over a bit snobbish. Sad to hear he has dementia as well though.

[Seveno]

What a beautifully made film. Sad, emotional, tragic but loving and inspirational. Such a great man that succeeded by being genuine and treating others with respect. It achieved great depth without ever being intrusive, never more so than with the demons that Paul McGrath had to battle with for all of his life.

[Pretty Boy]

Just watched it today and thought it was a beautifully made documentary. Seeing Charlton as he was towards the end of his life was incredibly moving and I daresay it hit home for anyone who has watched dementia take a loved one. It's almost as if they are gone whilst still being there and those moments when a flicker of their former self appears are bittersweet. It wasn't too saccharine either. It mentioned his flaws, the likes of Dunphy and O'Leary had a chance to speak.

I remember being on holiday in Portugal when USA 94 kicked off and watching Irelands 1st game with what felt like half of Dublin. Charlton was a God to them.

It was also good to see Paul McGrath looking well. The moment when Charlton recognised him and broke into a beaming smile just about set me off. It was just a brilliant few seconds.

[EI255]

I was in a pub in London watching Italy v Ireland game in 1990. Was a riot (of good sorts!) Jackie and his team really lit up that tournament. Great memories.

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[CMurdoch]

Just watched it today and thought it was a beautifully made documentary. Seeing Charlton as he was towards the end of his life was incredibly moving and I daresay it hit home for anyone who has watched dementia take a loved one. It's almost as if they are gone whilst still being there and those moments when a flicker of their former self appears are bittersweet. It wasn't too saccharine either. It mentioned his flaws, the likes of Dunphy and O'Leary had a chance to speak.

I remember being on holiday in Portugal when USA 94 kicked off and watching Irelands 1st game with what felt like half of Dublin. Charlton was a God to them.

It was also good to see Paul McGrath looking well. The moment when Charlton recognised him and broke into a beaming smile just about set me off. It was just a brilliant few seconds.

I had to watch the USA World Cup 94 Ireland v Italy game in an airport bar in Florida as we waited to fly home after our first American holiday.
Needless to say myself and another couple of guys I met in the bar got carried away, drank too much, shouted, cheered and erupted when Houghton scored. All to the amusement, or was it bemusement, of the Americans around us. A great end to the holiday.

I watched the documentary last night. Very good with lots of poignant moments and a few life lessons.

[loanheadhibby]

It was a brilliant documentary. Highlights the ever growing link between heading and dementia.

[The Baldmans Comb]

An excellent football manager and a fine human being and rather underrated tactically as his teams always pressed hard and high to win the ball back.

Maurice Setters his assistant provided a lot of the intricate detail and Paddy Bonner said later he knew the preference of every Romainian players penalties in an era where few teams prepared well.

Not being Irish though it was a relief when Italy knocked them out of the World Cup and the Netherlands gave them a deserved football lesson in the play offs as they were a hard bruising team and not at all easy to watch.

I can't say I see the dementia/heading link though as the man was 85 when he passed away.