Israel v Scotland

[Billy Whizz]

For me tonight’s game is a must win, if we fancy our chances of getting in the top 2
Denmark won in Israel on Thursday, so we need to keep pace with them
Any early team news, injuries etc?

[Mark05]

If we want to finish top we have to win tonight. Scotland need to start quickly tonight, I thought it took them about half an hour to get going against Austria.After that I thought they played pretty well, don't know of any team news,I don't think there is any injuries.personally would like to see Ryan Fraser up front with dykes he could cause them problems with his pace

[Hibbyradge]

A draw would be a decent result and it's the most likely outcome.

Beating them at Hampden is a must.

[erin go bragh]

A draw would be a decent result and it's the most likely outcome.

Beating them at Hampden is a must.

2 draws out of our first 2 is not good enough imo.
Better off winning one and losing one . It’s draws that kill you in this group format.

[mcohibs]

Need a win tonight. Got to start more positively than we did on Thursday

[bingo70]

A draw would be a decent result and it's the most likely outcome.

Beating them at Hampden is a must.

I think if we want to win the group we need to win tonight.

Coming second would still be decent though and if we draw tonight then that’s still very much a possibility.

Even if we lose tonight nothings written off, just means we need to beat Denmark probably twice which seems unlikely.

[SteveHFC]

Same team as Thursday with Adams in for Christie.

[bingo70]

Same team as Thursday with Adams in for Christie.

I’d like to see SJM playing a more advanced role.

[Billy Whizz]

I’d like to see SJM playing a more advanced role.

Me too

[Hibbyradge]

I think if we want to win the group we need to win tonight.

Coming second would still be decent though and if we draw tonight then that’s still very much a possibility.

Even if we lose tonight nothings written off, just means we need to beat Denmark probably twice which seems unlikely.

I don't think we have any chance of winning the group. Austria and Denmark are very strong and our best hope is that one of them dominates the other to open a door for us to sneak through.

But, this is football so just about anything is possible so I'll hedge my bets as usual!

[bingo70]

I don't think we have any chance of winning the group. Austria and Denmark are very strong and our best hope is that one of them dominates the other to open a door for us to sneak through.

But, this is football so just about anything is possible so I'll hedge my bets as usual!

I didn’t think Austria were any great shakes the other night?

[Hibbyradge]

I didn’t think Austria were any great shakes the other night?

They were away from home and they were better than us, imo.

Clarke was pleased with the draw rather than pissed off that we didn't get all 3.

[Billy Whizz]

Our fate will be decided in September, but getting 3 points tonight is important

Next 4 are
Wednesday home to Faroes
Wednesday 1st September away to Denmark
Saturday 4th September home to Maldova
Tuesday 7th September away to Austria

[ancient hibee]

They were away from home and they were better than us, imo.

Clarke was pleased with the draw rather than pissed off that we didn't get all 3.

Of course. We were set up not to lose rather than to win so a draw was good. Forrest being back in September could make a big difference.

[bingo70]

They were away from home and they were better than us, imo.

Clarke was pleased with the draw rather than pissed off that we didn't get all 3.

I think that was just the way the game went, when you’re a goal down with about 10 minutes to go, everybody wouldn’t pleased with a draw.

Austria aren’t mugs but I don’t see them being on a different level to us. If we play them 10 times I’d guess most of them would be draws.

I don’t know anything about this Denmark side.

[Onion]

A win needed tonight.

Can anyone explain why England games are live on terrestrial STV, while we are forced to pay SKY to watch Scotland ?

[green day]

A win needed tonight.

Can anyone explain why England games are live on terrestrial STV, while we are forced to pay SKY to watch Scotland ?

Presumably because ITV paid what was required for the England matches, and Sky paid the amount that Scotland wanted to cover ours?

[LeithMike]

Don't think the back 3 suits us. Tierney seems to do well but Robertson always suffers. 4-5-1/4-3-3. That should also give McGinn far more freedom in midfield. In the 3-4-3 he was stuck holding with McTominay and couldn't get forward. An extra man in the middle will let him use his best attribute - his energy.

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[lord bunberry]

Don't think the back 3 suits us. Tierney seems to do well but Robertson always suffers. 4-5-1/4-3-3. That should also give McGinn far more freedom in midfield. In the 3-4-3 he was stuck holding with McTominay and couldn't get forward. An extra man in the middle will let him use his best attribute - his energy.

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Robertson should be dropped, Tierney is in better form at the moment so he should play. You see when Tierney gets the ball out wide, he’s so much more effective than Robertson. We’re basically playing a system to get both in the team. There will be times when Robertson is in better form and he should start then.

[bingo70]

Robertson should be dropped, Tierney is in better form at the moment so he should play. You see when Tierney gets the ball out wide, he’s so much more effective than Robertson. We’re basically playing a system to get both in the team. There will be times when Robertson is in better form and he should start then.

I disagree.

I think when we’ve got players as good as them available we need to find a system that gets them both in there.

I think we are struggling for centre halves so having another one in there as a sort of insurance policy makes sense too.

[Pretty Boy]

A failure to win tonight leaves us in that all too familiar position of playing catch up.

Austria and Denmark away in the 3 September fixtures could see us needing wins if we drop points tonight or, far less likely, Wednesday. Win our next 2 and draws in those fixtures could be very good results.

If we are serious about qualifying then we need to beat the teams ranked lower than us home and away.

[Lendo]

Chances of Nisbet getting on in the Faroes game midweek? Hopefully we’ll be a few goals up by half time and get can get some minutes under his belt.

[Hibbyradge]

A win needed tonight.

Can anyone explain why England games are live on terrestrial STV, while we are forced to pay SKY to watch Scotland ?

England are better and more important than Scotland.

Either that or ITV outbid Sky. Or maybe it'll be the other way round for the return games.

I think it's because England are better and more important though.

[Brightside]

2-0 win tonight.

[WeeRussell]

I don’t want to start another ‘must-win’ debate... so I’ll just say I think a win is very important tonight and I think we will get it 👍

[bingo70]

I don’t want to start another ‘must-win’ debate... so I’ll just say I think a win is very important tonight and I think we will get it 👍

Today’s not a must win.

If we lose however it will make more difficult fixtures must win so in that regard, this game is a must win but it’s not a disaster yet if we don’t win.

😉

[Speedy]

Today’s not a must win.

If we lose however it will make more difficult fixtures must win so in that regard, this game is a must win but it’s not a disaster yet if we don’t win.

😉

Agreed

[Glory Lurker]

Nope, it's a must win :-)

[Lancs Harp]

Israel are the sort of team that will be king makers (or breakers) in this group, Qualification you would expect to be beyond them but they are more than capable of giving the leading protagonists Denmark, Austria and Scotland a bloody nose and pinching points off them, especially in Israel. Denmark have already passed that audition. I think with qualification in mind Scotland could really do with a win tonight. The key games are obviously when Denmark, Austria and Scotland play each other but I think you really need to be taking maximum points in all the other matches.

[Allez Hibs]

Today’s not a must win.

If we lose however it will make more difficult fixtures must win so in that regard, this game is a must win but it’s not a disaster yet if we don’t win.

😉

I think you have to look at it as a must win game. Denmark are better than Scotland, Austria and Israel who are all very similar. I think it will end up a tight group which is good for Scotland.

[Speedy]

Israel are the sort of team that will be king makers (or breakers) in this group, Qualification you would expect to be beyond them but they are more than capable of giving the leading protagonists Denmark, Austria and Scotland a bloody nose and pinching points off them, especially in Israel. Denmark have already passed that audition. I think with qualification in mind Scotland could really do with a win tonight. The key games are obviously when Denmark, Austria and Scotland play each other but I think you really need to be taking maximum points in all the other matches.

Aye. For me, 4 points from our 2 games is a good start. 2 points is a poor start and one I don't see us qualifying from.

So if we don't win it's not all over but realistically I think we need to win to have a good go at qualifying.

[Smartie]

Israel are the sort of team that will be king makers (or breakers) in this group, Qualification you would expect to be beyond them but they are more than capable of giving the leading protagonists Denmark, Austria and Scotland a bloody nose and pinching points off them, especially in Israel. Denmark have already passed that audition. I think with qualification in mind Scotland could really do with a win tonight. The key games are obviously when Denmark, Austria and Scotland play each other but I think you really need to be taking maximum points in all the other matches.

I agree with this 100%.

Scotland are more likely to view a point tonight as a decent outcome - and for it to ultimately cost them.

I didn’t think the result the other night was that bad. Be clinical against the bottom 3 teams and let the rest of it take care of itself head to head.

We’re just a bit short of firepower and more likely to do something daft defensively for me to be genuinely confident, although we’ve got a good few more good players than we’ve had at any point over the past 20 odd years.

[The Modfather]

Don't think the back 3 suits us. Tierney seems to do well but Robertson always suffers. 4-5-1/4-3-3. That should also give McGinn far more freedom in midfield. In the 3-4-3 he was stuck holding with McTominay and couldn't get forward. An extra man in the middle will let him use his best attribute - his energy.

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I think we almost have to find a way to get Tierney into a back 3, and as unorthodox as it is, give him a fee role on the left hand side. Have both Tierney & Robertson overlap each other and that should allow one of them to get some time and space to get quality into the box.

[hibsbollah]

Aye. For me, 4 points from our 2 games is a good start. 2 points is a poor start and one I don't see us qualifying from.

So if we don't win it's not all over but realistically I think we need to win to have a good go at qualifying.

Totally. It’s ****ing Israel. If we can’t beat them we don’t deserve to be making the final stages of major tournaments. The Serbia performance needs to be a stepping stone to not accepting mediocrity.

[LeithMike]

I think we almost have to find a way to get Tierney into a back 3, and as unorthodox as it is, give him a fee role on the left hand side. Have both Tierney & Robertson overlap each other and that should allow one of them to get some time and space to get quality into the box.I think both Robertson and Tierney like coming from deep and like to be the overlapper rather than the overlappee. Robertson looks a bit lost when asked to start higher up the park. Many full backs struggle when asked to do this despite being great attacking players.

I'd go a flat 4 at the back with Robertson at LB and go with Tierney as an orthodox centre back with one other.

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[JimBHibees]

For me tonight’s game is a must win, if we fancy our chances of getting in the top 2
Denmark won in Israel on Thursday, so we need to keep pace with them
Any early team news, injuries etc?

Totally agree need a win if serious about doing well in group. Worry about us defensively after Austria. Score first and we win but need to avoid going behind.

[cabbageandribs1875]

i though Israel were pretty unlucky not to take something against Denmark, we were unlucky in Israel the last game, i also thought Israel were the better side against us in the two previous games at Hampden, i won't be surprised if they beat us again :(



mon Scotland :saltireflag

[WeeRussell]

Today’s not a must win.

If we lose however it will make more difficult fixtures must win so in that regard, this game is a must win but it’s not a disaster yet if we don’t win.

😉

Completely agree.. it’s not must win (but it kind of is 😂)

This is what I didn’t want to start.

[JimBHibees]

A win needed tonight.

Can anyone explain why England games are live on terrestrial STV, while we are forced to pay SKY to watch Scotland ?

Very good point it is nonsense

[JohnMcM]

Really need to win tonight. Denmark getting a good goal difference today and we still have to play them home and away, as well as Austria away. I hate to say this but it looks like another glorious failure on the cards.

sorry:rolleyes:

[Bristolhibby]

A failure to win tonight leaves us in that all too familiar position of playing catch up.

Austria and Denmark away in the 3 September fixtures could see us needing wins if we drop points tonight or, far less likely, Wednesday. Win our next 2 and draws in those fixtures could be very good results.

If we are serious about qualifying then we need to beat the teams ranked lower than us home and away.

This.

Said at the start that we need 7 points as a minimum. In reality we should have been needing 9. Still can’t help thinking that dropping points v Austria will bite us.

J

[Hibbyradge]

Really need to win tonight. Denmark getting a good goal difference today and we still have to play them home and away, as well as Austria away. I hate to say this but it looks like another glorious failure on the cards.

sorry:rolleyes:

Oh FFS. :hilarious

We've played one game.

What makes you think the failure will be glorious rather than abject? :rolleyes:

[Billy Whizz]

Marshall; Hendry, Hanley, Tierney; O'Donnell, McTominay, McGregor, McGinn, Robertson; Fraser, Adams.

[Hiber-nation]

Not sure about that team. I'd be starting Christie every game if he's fit. Thought he'd make a change in central defence as well but we shall see.

[Billy Whizz]

Not sure about that team. I'd be starting Christie every game if he's fit. Thought he'd make a change in central defence as well but we shall see.

Christie has been poor for Celtic for a while, in my opinion

[SteveHFC]

Marshall; Hendry, Hanley, Tierney; O'Donnell, McTominay, McGregor, McGinn, Robertson; Fraser, Adams.

Agree with that team. Means McGinn can push forward.

[Hiber-nation]

Christie has been poor for Celtic for a while, in my opinion

Maybe but I thought he was our best player the other night.

[hibby rae]

Marshall; Hendry, Hanley, Tierney; O'Donnell, McTominay, McGregor, McGinn, Robertson; Fraser, Adams.

Callum McGregor must have about 30 caps and yet to see him do much of note. If it's straight swap for Armstrong, I'd rather the latter. Especially with Adams starting.

Other than that. No complaints.

[Billy Whizz]

Maybe but I thought he was our best player the other night.

I really like Christie, just think he’s gone off the boil recently

[Billy Whizz]

Agree with that team. Means McGinn can push forward.

McGinn’s the top goalscorer in our squad, hope he gets another one tonight

https://www.11v11.com/teams/scotland/tab/stats/option/scorers/

[hibbysam]

Not sure about that team. I'd be starting Christie every game if he's fit. Thought he'd make a change in central defence as well but we shall see.

Christie is mince. Another who wants everything to be fancy and all about him. He puts more shots out the stadium than he does in the net. Fraser is a far better player and far more pace, which we missed the other day. We are a counter attacking side without pace which made no sense and why we struggled a lot. Next job is to find a decent right back.

[Brightside]

Clarke is liking the square midfield. I’d probably go with Gallagher than Hanley.

[bingo70]

Christie is mince. Another who wants everything to be fancy and all about him. He puts more shots out the stadium than he does in the net. Fraser is a far better player and far more pace, which we missed the other day. We are a counter attacking side without pace which made no sense and why we struggled a lot. Next job is to find a decent right back.

Is the boy at Rangers, Patterson, a credible option?

Forget for a second he’s a rangers player and I know he’s not played much but I know he’s highly thought of.

Saying that I thought O’Donnell played well the other night, I’ve slated him in the past as well.

[Hiber-nation]

Christie is mince. Another who wants everything to be fancy and all about him. He puts more shots out the stadium than he does in the net. Fraser is a far better player and far more pace, which we missed the other day. We are a counter attacking side without pace which made no sense and why we struggled a lot. Next job is to find a decent right back.

Sam what are you on about, he's been superb for Scotland, no-one can argue that.

[Smartie]

Christie is mince. Another who wants everything to be fancy and all about him. He puts more shots out the stadium than he does in the net. Fraser is a far better player and far more pace, which we missed the other day. We are a counter attacking side without pace which made no sense and why we struggled a lot. Next job is to find a decent right back.

The highlight of the other night was when the Bayern Munich LB showed the Motherwell RB too much space to cut inside him and he did just that.

Is Fraser not a decent shout for RWB?

[JohnMcM]

Oh FFS. :hilarious

We've played one game.

What makes you think the failure will be glorious rather than abject? :rolleyes:

Nigh on 60 years or so experience since I was old enough to understand disappointment:greengrin

[SteveHFC]

Is the boy at Rangers, Patterson, a credible option?

Forget for a second he’s a rangers player and I know he’s not played much but I know he’s highly thought of.

Saying that I thought O’Donnell played well the other night, I’ve slated him in the past as well.

Patterson will be in the squad in the future. Would sign O’Donnell in the summer as i think he’s far better than McGinn.

[CMurdoch]

We have struggled against Israel but I think we have changed it up with the addition of:
1. The pace of Adams and Fraser up front
2. The addition of the power and quality of McTominay in midfield

The addition of McGregor in midfield will free up McGinn to play further forward.

In conclusion tonights team is our most offensive line up for a long long time and contains 6 top level outfield players.
They should pose a far greater challenge to Israel than previous workmanlike team selections.

Hendry is my only concern but hopefully the guy plays well.

[Tyler Durden]

The highlight of the other night was when the Bayern Munich LB showed the Motherwell RB too much space to cut inside him and he did just that.

Is Fraser not a decent shout for RWB?

Don’t think he’d cut it defensively. It is the biggest issue with this squad at the moment though.

When you think back to the 90s we played Craig Burley there, out of position cos he could do the job. Maybe we need to ask another midfielder to take one for the team and play out of position. Armstrong could do it IMO - he’s got bags of energy and wins the ball back a lot for Southampton.

No obvious solution though!

[WeeRussell]

Christie is mince. Another who wants everything to be fancy and all about him. He puts more shots out the stadium than he does in the net. Fraser is a far better player and far more pace, which we missed the other day. We are a counter attacking side without pace which made no sense and why we struggled a lot. Next job is to find a decent right back.

He’s not mince. Although I don’t think he’s done much at all since our internationals last year, and definitely not undroppable.

I think he’s a better player than Fraser, but obviously Fraser has the pace. Hopefully he plays well tonight.

[hibbysam]

Is the boy at Rangers, Patterson, a credible option?

Forget for a second he’s a rangers player and I know he’s not played much but I know he’s highly thought of.

Saying that I thought O’Donnell played well the other night, I’ve slated him in the past as well.

I think he will be yeah, no doubt about that. Issue is game time. Tavernier will be back and keeping him out of that side again soon, he’ll need to play to progress.

Problem with O’Donnell is he isn’t enough of a threat, meaning teams leave him alone and pin Robertson back.

[hibbysam]

Sam what are you on about, he's been superb for Scotland, no-one can argue that.

He’s an extremely limited player. Like I said he puts more efforts out the stadium than he does on target. His set pieces are rank now as well. He’s rightfully dropped for a far better player tonight.

[BILLYHIBS]

5000 fans present

[SteveHFC]

5000 fans present

Hopefully fans can be there in June but i doubt it.

[Lancs Harp]

5000 fans present

Che's not had time to learn the words yet :wink:

Good luck fellas.

[Keyser Sauzee]

I know it’s not important but I hate players not singing or barely signing the national anthem, that was pathetic 😂

[Billy Whizz]

It’s great to see fans at a game again

[Onion]

I know it’s not important but I hate players not singing or barely signing the national anthem, that was pathetic 😂

Wow. That was rousing for the Sky viewers :greengrin

[SteveHFC]

It’s great to see fans at a game again

No excuses come past the summer we can’t get fans in stadiums while majority of countries across Europe are letting some sort of crowds in.

[Green forever]

Hopefully the fans and the drums can drown out the slaverings of Davie Provan.

[Gordy M]

Faroes one up away to Austria

[Pretty Boy]

1-0 Faroes!

[CloudSquall]

Faroes one up away to Austria

Maybe our home draw vs Austria was in fact a horrendous result :greengrin

[cabbageandribs1875]

straight at the keeper thankfully

[PatHead]

SJM anonymous tonight

[GlesgaeHibby]

Never a foul that, never mind a yellow. Got all of the ball.

[Jim44]

Israel looking superior to Scotland and making our defence look a bit iffy. They’re looking more likely to score than us.

[Onion]

Scotland drifting out of this. Need our bigger players to step up.

[cabbageandribs1875]

Austria score, as expected

[Joe6-2]

1-0 Faroes!

1-1

[Sir David Gray]

2-1 Austria

[cabbageandribs1875]

header straight at marshall

[kaimendhibs]

Provan thinks our strips are white

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[bingo70]

Davie Provan appears to have a real dislike for Scotland. It’s really odd.

[hibbysam]

The 5-4-1 might be decent for play off ties and getting to penalties but we need to be more ambitious in these group games. If we’re playing 3 at the back we need Adams playing on the last man and Fraser and McGinn up beside. We’re so deep it’s just inviting wave after wave of attack and we’re not quick enough on the break.

[Brightside]

Decent work rate but Adams needs a hand up there.

[SteveHFC]

Deserved goal.

[Magpie]

Really not surprised.

[Scorrie]

Way too deep there though hell of a strike

[cabbageandribs1875]

better side score

[DaveF]

Deserved goal but Marshall made a bit of an erse of the attempted save.

[JXM73]

Should have saved that, best team winnin...

[CmoantheHibs]

Well that’s been coming. Giving them so much time and space.

[wookie70]

No idea what the plan is but it looks like it is watch them until they score. Lifeless peeformance

[lord bunberry]

Marshall should’ve saved that.

[NORTHERNHIBBY]

Left the player with the option to try his luck with a shot from distance.

[HibbyAndy]

Goalkeeper has to be saving that

[DH1875]

Shocker from the keeper. Should have saved that.

[Coach Jon]

That goal has been coming.Scotland have been poor.

[Bristolhibby]

Give if far too much space, time and respect to Israel. They are dictating the game, we are passive.

The goal must give us a kick up the arse in the second half.

J

[Scottie]

Marshall should’ve saved that.
:agree:

[erin go bragh]

Keeper should have saved that . Rocky is saving that at the other end .
It’s been coming .

[Jim44]

...... and there we are. Scotland so poor.

[whiskyhibby]

Scotland need to win this if they want to progress, completely lifeless performance at the moment

[Brightside]

That’s the problem with 1 up top. Too easy for the whole team to move up to half way and dictate. We have to press the game higher up the park.

[Sir David Gray]

3-1 Austria.

I'll stick my neck on the line and say that if the scores stay as they are right now, Scotland will be out of the qualifying already.

[Magpie]

Time for a Nisbet extravaganza

[Tyler Durden]

Give if far too much space, time and respect to Israel. They are dictating the game, we are passive.

The goal must give us a kick up the arse in the second half.

J

Yeah. Could understand a game plan of sitting in and hit on the break.

But we have basically just let them dominate possession with no pressure on the ball anywhere. About as bad a performance as we’ve seen under Clark.

[hibIBZ]

Really really poor from Scotland, flat performance and being over run. A few really haven't shown up yet at all. Mcginn, mctominay and MacGregor being dominated

[Booked4Being-Ugly]

Keeper should maybe have saved it but non existent midfield not closing down quick enough is the real problem.

[Hiber-nation]

Our big players haven't turned up - McGinn and McTominay have been passengers. And central defence again looking dodgy. Like the look of Adams though.

[Magpie]

3-1 Austria.

I'll stick my neck on the line and say that if the scores stay as they are right now, Scotland will be out of the qualifying already.

Between Israel and Scotland for 3rd imo. Apparently 3rd gets nothing though. Losing that last game against Israel a few months ago has cost Scotland a play off place.

[Fergus52]

Playing with a completely flat back 5 and mctominay and McGregor both sitting so deep is so boring and negative.

[Diclonius]

Ahh, normal service resumed.

[Onion]

Marshall has to save that. Scotland standing off, McTom, SJM anonymous.

[Borderhibbie76]

The more I watch Scotland the less I rate Steve Clarke tbh...got very lucky with the 2 pen shootout wins...he made a mess of it in Serbia with his subs when we were 1 0 up and weve been really poor in most games ever since Serbia...dreadful 1st half tonight

[HibbyAndy]

Has John Mcginn actually touched the ball ?

[Scottie]

Steve Clark is a ******g clueless IMO. He sets his teams up so negative no spark no drive. Of course I stand to be corrected :grr:

[GreenCastle]

The Israel formation is causing Scotland problems. We need 2 up top.

Scotland were having a better spell just before the goal but couldn’t get the ball for large parts of 1st half.

Israel better team and deserve to be ahead.

Keeper possibly could have tried to save shot with right hand reaching across body and tipping it round post / over bar - not sure he moved his feet quick enough.

Anyway like Austria game need to show more 2nd half as 1st half isn’t going to get you qualifying for tournaments.

[weecounty hibby]

Flat as ****. SJM not been in it, Hendry not got it at this level, Robertson usual Scotland performance, Marshall has to save the goal, Adams ok, Tierney is very good. How McGregor has got 50+ caps is one of life's mysteries. Allowed them to come all the way to half way before any attempted challenge, just so flat and uninspiring.

[Hibbyradge]

Nigh on 60 years or so experience since I was old enough to understand disappointment:greengrin

I've experienced many years of repeated failure too, but being disappointed before the event is a new one on me! :hilarious

Anyway, it's currently looking more like abject than glorious!

[WeeRussell]

Agree with what’s been said by most. Marshall gets two hands behind the shot and fails to save it. But it is the deserved scoreline for what has been a very poor and discouraging performance.

[Aldo]

Why does Fraser get a game when he’s been utterly woeful for Newcastle and has hidden pretty much every game he has played.

Once again we’ve set up not to get beaten instead of taking the game to them.

2 up top would be a bit more expansive!


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[H18S NX]

Midfield's no turned up tonight,lucky it's only 1-0.

[CmoantheHibs]

That was a poor disjointed half. Very unlike a Clarke team. They have time and space all over the pitch. Still got time to turn it around but got to step it up big time.

[Iain G]

The more I watch Scotland the less I rate Steve Clarke tbh...got very lucky with the 2 pen shootout wins...he made a mess of it in Serbia with his subs when we were 1 0 up and weve been really poor in most games ever since Serbia...dreadful 1st half tonight

Scotland are pish and awful and negative and dreary.

[weecounty hibby]

I hope Steve Clarke gets the Celtic job

[cabbageandribs1875]

Israel easily have the measure of Scotland nowayears...they should be at least a couple of goals ahead here

[Glory Lurker]

3-1 Austria.

I'll stick my neck on the line and say that if the scores stay as they are right now, Scotland will be out of the qualifying already.

I agree. We've squandered countless campaigns with poor starts. Socks have to be pulled right up in the second half or we won't need to give the ethics of going to Qatar a second thought.

[CloudSquall]

Guaranteed we drop points away to the Faroes and Moldova.

[whiskyhibby]

Between Israel and Scotland for 3rd imo. Apparently 3rd gets nothing though. Losing that last game against Israel a few months ago has cost Scotland a play off place.

Even second doesn’t guarantee anything , I thought I heard it was the top team and then the best two second placed teams that progress, never going to happen for us in this group

[Bristolhibby]

Israel easily have the measure of Scotland nowayears...they should be at least a couple of goals ahead here

That’s what rankles me. They are a pish team (96th in the rankings) but absolutely know how to beat Scotland.

They’ll lose to Moldova on Wednesday, you watch.

J

[CB Hibs 68]

Marshall should have saved that shot.Poor performance all round..Could be worse as we probably should be two down.Next 45 miniutes will make or break this campaign.Sad to say but lose today and I think there is little chance of getting the playoff place.Makes fxxxxxg up in the Euro qualifiers even more obviously a mistake

[whiskyhibby]

Guaranteed we drop points away to the Faroes and Moldova.

completely agree, we don’t look like a team that can overwhelm even the lowest ranked teams, Israel are 40 places below us in the rankings , yet we are making it look the other way around

[SteveHFC]

I would be asking Allan McGregor to be in the squad for the Euro’s

[cabbageandribs1875]

we've scored once in the first half in our last 8 games

[hibee-boys]

If we’d lost that pen shoot out Clarke would be getting seriously questioned.

[Sylar]

Clarke can leave tomorrow for me.

We squeaked into the Euros in spite of him. 1 point from the opening 2 games is unacceptable. No attacking prowess so far, and very little bravery going forward.

This is a honking Scotland side.

[Gloucester Hibs]

Looking like 4 games v Israel in the past 7-8 months and we’ve yet to score a goal! 😩

[whiskyhibby]

Clarke can leave tomorrow for me.

We squeaked into the Euros in spite of him. 1 point from the opening 2 games is unacceptable. No attacking prowess so far, and very little bravery going forward.

This is a honking Scotland side.


unless he turns it around in the second half, I would completely agree

[Hibee Mac]

When will Robertson put in a performance for Scotland? Bloody champions League winner and captain yet he looks lost every time I watch him play!

They deserve the lead so far but the annoying thing is, yes you can say they deserve it but Scotland as a team have to take and capitalise on luck like that yet instead Marshall makes a mess of that save when we could have been going in at half time to regroup proper

[whiskyhibby]

I would be asking Allan McGregor to be in the squad for the Euro’s

I have to agree, he’s been excellent again this season

[hibbysam]

I would be asking Allan McGregor to be in the squad for the Euro’s

Or just stick the best keeper that’s in the squad between the sticks. Gordon has flaws but he keeps the ball out of the net. There’s a reason Marshall spent his career behind McGregor and Gordon.

[Jim44]

McGinn is Mr Invisible tonight.

[hibbysam]

When will Robertson put in a performance for Scotland? Bloody champions League winner and captain yet he looks lost every time I watch him play!

They deserve the lead so far but the annoying thing is, yes you can say they deserve it but Scotland as a team have to take and capitalise on luck like that yet instead Marshall makes a mess of that save when we could have been going in at half time to regroup proper

He’s playing left side of a 5 with a 4 man midfield yards in front. I’m no sure what’s really expected of Robertson in that scenario.

[SteveHFC]

I have to agree, he’s been excellent again this season

Having both McGregor and Gordon on the bench would be decent.

[JimBHibees]

Goalie should have saved it horrific lack of pressing by Mctominay. Real lack of pressing and kind of waiting on something happening. Lose this we are struggling big time to have any influence on the group.

Davie Provan must be one of the biggest wage thieves ever utterly clueless and wants us to lose imo.

[cabbageandribs1875]

hopefully we can at least fight of the Moldovians and Faroenese for 4th spot

[Aldo]

Clarke can leave tomorrow for me.

We squeaked into the Euros in spite of him. 1 point from the opening 2 games is unacceptable. No attacking prowess so far, and very little bravery going forward.

This is a honking Scotland side.

Being a striker for Scotland in this current set up..... run about closing down the opposition, not getting many touches and no chances and get replaced after 55 mins to an hour for your replacement to do exactly the same until final whistle!

Why can we not try and play a formation that takes the game to the opposition instead of sitting in and allowing teams to apply pressure.

I agree that if we don’t win today out qualifying campaign is already over!

[truehibernian]

We've not get any international class centre halves, and we don't have an international class striker(s) - hence we will always struggle and always be mediocre at this level. That's the difference between a good team and a great team.

Shoe horning both Tierney and Robertson into the side is wrong too - play best positions, and if one has to drop out, so be it. Get some balance in the side.

[heretoday]

I'm sorry I just want Rocky to do well. Excellent chap.

[cabbageandribs1875]

unbelievable, we turned an attacking position only to pass the ball back to Marshall, how utterly freakin boring and unimaginative play

[hibbysam]

We've not get any international class centre halves, and we don't have an international class striker(s) - hence we will always struggle and always be mediocre at this level. That's the difference between a good team and a great team.

Shoe horning both Tierney and Robertson into the side is wrong too - play best positions, and if one has to drop out, so be it. Get some balance in the side.

You’ve just said it though, we don’t have international class centre backs, so why would you not play Tierney there when he plays there for arsenal? It’s not shoe horning. He plays centre back most weeks and is better than any other option. Take Robertson out and put Tierney at left back and we are considerably worse. We should always be playing 4 at the back though.

[SteveHFC]

Yasss

[Sylar]

Much better. My thoughts on Clarke haven’t changed, but much better.

[heretoday]

Yessss....great by Adams. Sorry Rocky!

[DH1875]

1-1:thumbsup:

[whiskyhibby]

Jesus , this is ponderous , one forward pass and then four backwards passes

[Vault Boy]

Yasssss, Adams is some addition

[wookie70]

Yessss so much better since we went 4 at the back

[cabbageandribs1875]

now THAT's more like it :flag:

[Aldo]

[emoji23][emoji23] and Fraser scores.

Must have read my post


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[weecounty hibby]

Just said to my laddie that is take Fraser off!! Was obviously the kick up the ease he needed. I'm claiming an assist

[truehibernian]

You’ve just said it though, we don’t have international class centre backs, so why would you not play Tierney there when he plays there for arsenal? It’s not shoe horning. He plays centre back most weeks and is better than any other option. Take Robertson out and put Tierney at left back and we are considerably worse. We should always be playing 4 at the back though.

Tierney has world class players right next to him at Arsenal, tonight he has Hendry and Hanley.

It's a very difficult conundrum given they are both excellent players Sam - takes me back to the days where we had Miller, McLeish, Hansen, and Narey.........I just think both are much more effective at left back.

Anyway, 1-1, game on :aok:

[cabbageandribs1875]

good save Rocky Grrrrrr

[Diclonius]

That was almost a great move.

[wookie70]

Get someone in the middle after those shots. Rocky saving the ball into danger area

[Jim44]

Almost looking like a football team. More please.

[cabbageandribs1875]

wtf are we doing at the back there fgs

[Iain G]

Get someone in the middle after those shots. Rocky saving the ball into danger area

The number 18 on the bench maybe?

[GreenCastle]

Maybe this was the strategy? 1st half keep it tight and 2nd more expansive ?

The formation wasn’t working 1st half so didn’t have my option but to change it.

Been impressed with Adams - brings real energy and direct.

[SteveHFC]

The number 18 on the bench maybe?

Time to bring him on.

[DH1875]

Reckon we need to win this but then, reckon Isreal really need to win this. Hopefully we can hit them on the break.

[heretoday]

Israel are trying to play a one-touch thing but they are not quick or skilful enough. Credit to them for attempting it!

We are more ponderous in our build-up and may prevail in the end.

[Coco Bryce]

McGinn completely anonymous.

[Sylar]

Who the **** is this referee?! He’s been dire.

[bingo70]

I don’t get why he’s taken Che Adam’s off?

[DH1875]

Should have rattled that.

[weecounty hibby]

I love Super John but that is probably the worst I've ever seen him play. 2nd half been much better, I just think that Clarke sets us up wrong so often. Don't date him at all and it is all so negative and boring

[cabbageandribs1875]

McTomminay with a wee tap to goal

hit the thing man

[CmoantheHibs]

Mctominay should have leathered that.

[GreenCastle]

What is he thinking taking Adams off ?

Been the most dangerous player ?!!

[cabbageandribs1875]

Israeli booked for diving in the box

[jgl07]

Yasssss, Adams is some addition

For a moment I thought it was Charlie.

[Andy74]

I don’t get why he’s taken Che Adam’s off?

His late subs tend to make us worse.

[Brightside]

Sticking to one up top wont bring the wins we actually need.

[DH1875]

Their gonna be pushing for the win leaving plenty space at back so......why take Adams off?

[bingo70]

What is he thinking taking Adams off ?

Been the most dangerous player ?!!

Dykes was never the replacement, he can’t run.

I don’t actually think Nisbet is international standard but he was the better option to come off the bench.

Adams running was causing them problems.

[cabbageandribs1875]

armstrong gets 5 mins to change things..... :rolleyes:

[SteveHFC]

Those subs tonight have still made me seething.

Get this defensive football to ****.

[Brightside]

Bring on another midfielder.

[CmoantheHibs]

Good chance for Christie. Totally fluffed the shot.

[The_Exile]

We have been abysmal in the final third, no decent creativity at all when it matters.

[whiskyhibby]

Unless Scotland score then that’s the WC adventure over

[SteveHFC]

****ing pish.

[PatHead]

Points dropped. Israel are rubbish

[B.H.F.C]

Campaign over after two games.

[cabbageandribs1875]

that's our campaign finished imo, two games it took, quite possibly the earliest ever

[DH1875]

Unless Scotland score then that’s the WC adventure over

Who wants to go to Qatar anyway.

[hibIBZ]

Oh well, no drink Qatar, who would of wanted to qualify anyway....

[whiskyhibby]

****ung bottled it, absolutely dross the first half, Clarke GTF

[BILLYHIBS]

Why take off Che Adams?

Nuts!

[Diclonius]

that's our campaign finished imo, two games it took, quite possibly the earliest ever

If it weren't for the playoffs Euro 2020 would have been over after ten minutes.

[Sir David Gray]

I'd personally say Scotland are out now.

[Glory Lurker]

That'll be that, then. Oot.

It's just been reality check after reality check since we got all excited after the Serbia play off. Beginning to think the Euros might not be much fun.

[whiskyhibby]

Who wants to go to Qatar anyway.

your right of course, it’s only 6500 deaths so far building the stadiums and facilities...

[PatHead]

Oh well, no drink Qatar, who would of wanted to qualify anyway....

Been to Qatar. You can drink. Just can't get rubber.

[NC1875]

Clarke as a person is so depressing.

Clarke’s team are depressing to watch

[Sylar]

They'll never fire him after his 'success' in getting us to the Euros, but I'd see Clarke leave tomorrow. Let him take the Celtc job - his negative, dour 'poor us' attitude will fit in perfectly there.

[lucky]

What’s clear is that Scotland are few players short of a decent side. Unfortunately McGregor and Christie were out of sorts tonight. SJM probably had his worst game in a Scotland shirt. Going to difficult to get to the play offs now never mind win the group now

[Jim44]

Being a striker for Scotland in this current set up..... run about closing down the opposition, not getting many touches and no chances and get replaced after 55 mins to an hour for your replacement to do exactly the same until final whistle!

Why can we not try and play a formation that takes the game to the opposition instead of sitting in and allowing teams to apply pressure.

I agree that if we don’t win today out qualifying campaign is already over!

Well over. Not remotely good enough to be in the reckoning.

[Gordy M]

Not even close to being out of the running.....jeez

[whiskyhibby]

A team 40 places below us should have won by two or three, says it all really....

[Lancs Harp]

Never say never but now remaining results against Israel Moldova and Faroe all have to be wins. Then its down to results against Denmark home and away and a result in Austria. Very tough.

[H18S NX]

Clarke's team doesn't really inspire confidence,not once did i think "we could win this".

[bingo70]

I don’t see how qualification is over already.

It’s entirely possible Israel could take points off Austria at some point and we were always going to have to get something in Austria.

That said I found that very frustrating tonight. Why we took off Adams I’ll never know, to me it looks like we just played for a draw.

That game was never one for Lyndon Dykes, their central defenders were slow and were terrified of Adams running at them, replacing him with someone who can’t run didn’t make any sense IMO.

[Onion]

Dreadful tactics and set up by the manager. Not quite sure what we were trying to do tonight. Israel are no better than functional and not a team you should be drawing with. 2 points dropped.

[Hiber-nation]

Used up all our luck in the Euro qualifiers. Still got time though and 5 or 6 goals on Wednesday would be a good confidence booster although I just can't see it.

[NC1875]

What’s clear is that Scotland are few players short of a decent side. Unfortunately McGregor and Christie were out of sorts tonight. SJM probably had his worst game in a Scotland shirt. Going to difficult to get to the play offs now never mind win the group now

Don’t think McGregor has ever had a good game in a Scotland shirt

[Hibbyradge]

I'd personally say Scotland are out now.

They're not. They're 2 points behind Austria who have played the Faroes.

Tonight's draw was a certainty and there's plenty more football to be played before anyone is out, or in.

[Lancs Harp]

armstrong gets 5 mins to change things..... :rolleyes:

I found it a little odd that Che Adams playing his first game didnt have team mate Armstrong in the line up, they combine well.

[whiskyhibby]

Never say never but now remaining results against Israel Moldova and Faroe all have to be wins. Then its down to results against Denmark home and away and a result in Austria. Very tough.


That fixture list looks like 3 points in the bag, can’t wait 🤣

[JimBHibees]

No idea why Adams's and Fraser were taken off. Why not chuck Dykes and Adams on at the same time. Seem happy to stay in shape and not press giving initiative to the other team

[Speedy]

McTomminay with a wee tap to goal

hit the thing man

Was unlucky when you see the replay. Get past the defender and I reckon it beats Rocky. Leathering it against the same defender wouldn't have helped.

[truehibernian]

that's our campaign finished imo, two games it took, quite possibly the earliest ever

Usually I'm optimistic and would say plenty football left - not with this manager I'm afraid. Too defensive, strange formations, equally negative and baffling changes during games. Uninspiring, boring football too many times under Clarke.

It's quite strange, but I can never lift myself or get excited about the national team any more. Just can't take to Clarke either, think it's his demeanour and lack of personality.

Anyway, hope Nisbet at least gets a chance v The Faroes. That'll have me more keen to watch.

[PatHead]

Don’t think McGregor has ever had a good game in a Scotland shirt

What relation is he to Brian Kerr?

[Nicho87]

Calum mcgregor, Christie, O’Donnell, Hanley, awful. All four shouldn’t be anywhere near the current team.

[SteveHFC]

I would be dropping Robertson on Wednesday and putting Tierney at left-back.

[Speedy]

Never say never but now remaining results against Israel Moldova and Faroe all have to be wins. Then its down to results against Denmark home and away and a result in Austria. Very tough.

Aye. Going to need at least 2 draws or 1 win from those 2 games.

[greenlex]

It’s not over but a difficult task just got a whole lot harder.

[truehibernian]

I would be dropping Robertson on Wednesday and putting Tierney at left-back.

:aok: definitely Steve.

[Robbo6-2]

His subs are baffling at times.

Che Adam's was excellent and should never of been taken off especially for Dykes.

Kenny McLean on for McGinn in the number 10 role. Seriously get a grip

[whiskyhibby]

It’s not over but a difficult task just got a whole lot harder.


Let’s be honest here, we are never going to top the group or get one of the two second best places, we will be fighting for 4th in the group in my opinion

[hibbysam]

I would be dropping Robertson on Wednesday and putting Tierney at left-back.

Who would you play centre half that would improve us? Robertson was far better when moved to a 4, and understandable, it’s the formation he plays and he had more freedom.

[Jim44]

Not even close to being out of the running.....jeez


I don’t see how qualification is over already.

It’s entirely possible Israel could take points off Austria at some point and we were always going to have to get something in Austria.

That said I found that very frustrating tonight. Why we took off Adams I’ll never know, to me it looks like we just played for a draw.

That game was never one for Lyndon Dykes, their central defenders were slow and were terrified of Adams running at them, replacing him with someone who can’t run didn’t make any sense IMO.


They're not. They're 2 points behind Austria who have played the Faroes.

Tonight's draw was a certainty and there's plenty more football to be played before anyone is out, or in.

Mathematically, we might have a fighting chance. In terms of performance and quality, we don’t look the part.

[SteveHFC]

:aok: definitely Steve.

Tierney has been the better play out of those 2 this season. Robertson has done **** all in a Scotland top.

[JimBHibees]

Calum mcgregor, Christie, O’Donnell, Hanley, awful. All four shouldn’t be anywhere near the current team.

Thought Mctominay was poor also. Never pressses at all and poor off the ball.

[SteveHFC]

Who would you play centre half that would improve us? Robertson was far better when moved to a 4, and understandable, it’s the formation he plays and he had more freedom.

McKenna and Hendry for me.

If we have to play them both. Put Tierney at right back like Strachan did as he done well there.

[PatHead]

Thought Mctominay was poor also. Never pressses at all and poor off the ball.

Not really any player who really impressed me tonight. Adams maybe. Rest ran like they had anchors attached to them.

[Lancs Harp]

Tierney has been the better play out of those 2 this season. Robertson has done **** all in a Scotland top.

He's done **** all in a Liverpool top this season too. He benefits massively from the system Liverpool play. Liverpool arent playing this season for a variety of reasons. Scotland arent Liverpool, he's struggling and looking very ordinary.

[The Modfather]

Two ok points in isolation. However a minimum of 4 was probably needed if we’re to finish second. We’ve not got much wriggle room left.

[heretoday]

I'm optimistic. You've gotta be!!

[hibbysam]

McKenna and Hendry for me.

If we have to play them both. Put Tierney at right back like Strachan did as he done well there.

Tierney is our best centre half. Go with a 4 like we did second half and there’s not an issue. Playing 5 the width of our 18 yard box and sit in isn’t going to suit one of the best attacking full backs in the world, and would be the same if Tierney went there.

[Bristolhibby]

Never say never but now remaining results against Israel Moldova and Faroe all have to be wins. Then its down to results against Denmark home and away and a result in Austria. Very tough.

Exactly, people saying “it’s not over till the fat lady sings”, yes but, we have made it near on impossible. 6 points (9 with Faroes) and we have some wriggle room. We would still have to get a result in Copenhagen or Vienna, but there’s some contingency.

Now we HAVE to get results in Copenhagen, Vienna and Hampden v Denmark. Oh and we have the perineal thorn in our sides of Israel at home, never guaranteed 3.

I’m afraid to say it’s game over. I’ve seen it too many times following Scotland.

J

[Hiber-nation]

Thought Mctominay was poor also. Never pressses at all and poor off the ball.

I think he's a tremendous player but he was dreadful tonight, never got near his man at the edge of our box and let them have a few free shots on goal. Looked miles off the pace as did McGinn.

[truehibernian]

Not really any player who really impressed me tonight. Adams maybe. Rest ran like they had anchors attached to them.

Stuart Armstrong should always be in the side for me - a wonderful player, very good on the ball, can beat a man and find space, links up well with strikers.

Callum McGregor has been awful for Celtic and does not deserve a start quite frankly. Christie should always be ahead of him too.

[ancient hibee]

At one stage we had 5 men back in a line and 2 others back pedalling to join them and they still had 2 unmarked players in our box and 2 bringing the ball up under no pressure.I’m afraid in that set up we are the dustbins.

[Lancs Harp]

Tierney is our best centre half. Go with a 4 like we did second half and there’s not an issue. Playing 5 the width of our 18 yard box and sit in isn’t going to suit one of the best attacking full backs in the world, and would be the same if Tierney went there.

Sam dont you lose something going forward though with Tierney at centre half? In a team that lacks creativity he can really offer something wide as a wing back like he does for Arsenal. Scotland are functional and need some creativity in the team.

[Hibeesforever]

The group is over for us now...we have to get four wins...Denmark home and away, Austria away and Israel at home...just not happening...enjoy the EUROS because it will be a long time before we are at another tournament!

[Centre Hawf]

The fact of the matter is in international football there is very little room for losses or draws if you want to even qualify via a runner up route. We've now went out and got 2 draws in our opening games agains two sides we'll be competing against for that spot. So while we haven't necessarily lost any ground it's not a great start either. It leaves us with no room for slip ups versus Faroes/Moldova and we're going to have to look at taking 3 or 4 points of Denmark at some point while taking maximum points from Israel and Austria second time round.