Israel v Scotland

[hibbysam]

Sam dont you lose something going forward though with Tierney at centre half? In a team that lacks creativity he can really offer something wide as a wing back like he does for Arsenal. Scotland are functional and need some creativity in the team.

If we play as a 5 then nothing would change though. The system was clearly set up as a 5 and a 4 within 25 yards of our box. Second half Robertson was far higher, and we got in behind a few times.

Personally think we are far better Tierney/Robertson than we would be McKenna/Tierney. Only time that would change is if Cooper was available.

[SHODAN]

We're now in a position where we have to beat Denmark at least once and win in Austria.

[truehibernian]

Sam dont you lose something going forward though with Tierney at centre half? In a team that lacks creativity he can really offer something wide as a wing back like he does for Arsenal. Scotland are functional and need some creativity in the team.

Tierney and Christie on the left, O'Donnell and Fraser on the right, McGinn and McTominay sitting/pressing, Armstrong in a 10. That would be my midfield and full backs. Robertson on the bench. Centre pairing of McKenna and (sadly) Hanley because we are so bereft of decent players in there.

Adams or Dykes up top.

[K-Zazu]

Callum McGregor was like a man short, should be nowhere near this Scotland side

[Nicho87]

Steve Clarke more focused on how good Israel were than how poor we were first half.

At times the players need to hear that sometimes it isn’t good enough.

Drawing against the 4th seeds in the group is nothing to try and paper the cracks with.

[noz]

Tierney and Christie on the left, O'Donnell and Fraser on the right, McGinn and McTominay sitting/pressing, Armstrong in a 10. That would be my midfield and full backs. Robertson on the bench. Centre pairing of McKenna and (sadly) Hanley because we are so bereft of decent players in there.

Adams or Dykes up top.

yip, drop Robertson, I agree but its never gonna happen.

[truehibernian]

Steve Clarke more focused on how good Israel were than how poor we were first half.

At times the players need to hear that sometimes it isn’t good enough.

Drawing against the 4th seeds in the group is nothing to try and paper the cracks with.

He's having a shocker of a press conference - angry, negative, and defensive (like his sides).

[Lancs Harp]

Steve Clarke more focused on how good Israel were than how poor we were first half.

At times the players need to hear that sometimes it isn’t good enough.

Drawing against the 4th seeds in the group is nothing to try and paper the cracks with.

He quite simply got his team and his tactics wrong in the first half.

[Speedy]

The fact of the matter is in international football there is very little room for losses or draws if you want to even qualify via a runner up route. We've now went out and got 2 draws in our opening games agains two sides we'll be competing against for that spot. So while we haven't necessarily lost any ground it's not a great start either. It leaves us with no room for slip ups versus Faroes/Moldova and we're going to have to look at taking 3 or 4 points of Denmark at some point while taking maximum points from Israel and Austria second time round.

It was always a tough group from that point of view. Folk didn't see a Germany/Spain/Italy and thought it would be easier but all the teams taking points off each other is problematic too.

Still though, win on Wed and we could be 2nd so still in our hands so to speak.

[hibbysam]

Steve Clarke more focused on how good Israel were than how poor we were first half.

At times the players need to hear that sometimes it isn’t good enough.

Drawing against the 4th seeds in the group is nothing to try and paper the cracks with.

There’s absolutely no defence for having a period of play where 11 players are within 25 yards of your own goal, and regularly defending with 5 on the edge of the box, and 4 a matter of yards in front, with Adams chasing shadows. That’s inexcusable and nothing to do with who we were playing.

[whiskyhibby]

He's having a shocker of a press conference - angry, negative, and defensive (like his sides).


hopefully he ****s off to Celtic, very soon......

[Sir David Gray]

They're not. They're 2 points behind Austria who have played the Faroes.

Tonight's draw was a certainty and there's plenty more football to be played before anyone is out, or in.

Clearly not arithmetically out but I'll be astonished if we qualify now.

Two points from two games against our main rivals for second place isn't good enough in my opinion. Four points should have been the minimum.

[ancient hibee]

Stuart Armstrong should always be in the side for me - a wonderful player, very good on the ball, can beat a man and find space, links up well with strikers.

Callum McGregor has been awful for Celtic and does not deserve a start quite frankly. Christie should always be ahead of him too.


Clearly not arithmetically out but I'll be astonished if we qualify now.

Two points from two games against our main rivals for second place isn't good enough in my opinion. Four points should have been the minimum.
So if we beat the Faroes and Austria lose to Denmark does that mean they are even further out of it than we are?:greengrin

[Sir David Gray]

So if we beat the Faroes and Austria lose to Denmark does that mean they are even further out of it than we are?:greengrin

No we would be a point ahead of Austria but still need to play Denmark twice whereas Austria would only need to play them once.

[hibbysam]

So if we beat the Faroes and Austria lose to Denmark does that mean they are even further out of it than we are?:greengrin

I’d rather Denmark never won. Scotland need to go on a run of wins, if we do that then I want Denmark not to get too far in front, if we don’t go on a run of wins then we’d be out anyway. Having the chance to go above them in Denmark in September would be something else.

[hibee-boys]

Unless there is a Hibs connection I really struggle to be excited by a Scotland games these days, happy to see them do well but not that particularly bothered if they don’t.

[Lancs Harp]

Unless there is a Hibs connection I really struggle to be excited by a Scotland games these days, happy to see them do well but not that particularly bothered if they don’t.

Be honest though, you would be if Scotland had a modicum of success. Success breads interest.

[hibee-boys]

Be honest though, you would be if Scotland had a modicum of success. Success breads interest.

I’ve been a Hibs fan for 40 years, if success was the qualifier for interest I’d have lost it long ago😂

[truehibernian]

So if we beat the Faroes and Austria lose to Denmark does that mean they are even further out of it than we are?:greengrin

It's of course possible AH, but this side won't beat Austria away and definitely won't beat Denmark home or away - I just don't rate Clarke as highly as the media or others, and we play negative football under him. I honestly fear the Euros will be embarrassing up against top quality opposition. The football is dour, much like the manager.

As I said, I'm maybe in a national football 'malaise', I just don't get up for national games any more bud. There are no mavericks in the side, nobody who really can win a game on their own. You need a couple of players to add real spark, we don't have any.

[Lancs Harp]

I’ve been a Hibs fan for 40 years, if success was the qualifier for interest I’d have lost it long ago😂

I'm English mate I'm just trying to keep the rampant lion flying for some reason :greengrin

[heretoday]

We can definitely qualify. Home and away mean nothing for heavens sake!

Can't believe the negative thinking on here.

[truehibernian]

I'm English mate I'm just trying to keep the rampant lion flying for some reason :greengrin

England have a terrific side, great chance to win the Euros - talent all over the squad, need to prove it in the big ones mind - but enjoy their football, play like it should be played :aok:

[BILLYHIBS]

England have a terrific side, great chance to win the Euros - talent all over the squad, need to prove it in the big ones mind - but enjoy their football, play like it should be played :aok:

Watched their game tonight thought it was pretty boring tbh

I don’t think they will win the Euros

Opinions I suppose

Better than Scotland granted 😃

[Lancs Harp]

England have a terrific side, great chance to win the Euros - talent all over the squad, need to prove it in the big ones mind - but enjoy their football, play like it should be played :aok:

We do have a good side but we always find a way of screwing things up. Sure in recent times we have a fantastic qualifying record but find it difficult to get together a winning sequence in finals especially in knock out stages. Did well in Russia, much better than expected and have some fantastic youngsters coming through. Have a chance in the Euros and should progress through the group with all matches at Wembley. Next two matches will be away from London though and thats where the plan could fall to pieces and Scots fans will get their joy despite your first round exit :greengrin

Seriously though looking forward to the Euros, hopefully with some fans in the stadiums and this England fan, probably untypical of my fellow countryman, is glad to see Scotland there.

[PatHead]

England have a terrific side, great chance to win the Euros - talent all over the squad, need to prove it in the big ones mind - but enjoy their football, play like it should be played :aok:

It's the same before every major tournament. England unearth the world's greatest talent then find out they aren't good enough.

Been the same throughout my life (except 1966)

With any luck they will follow form.

[DH1875]

England have a terrific side, great chance to win the Euros - talent all over the squad, need to prove it in the big ones mind - but enjoy their football, play like it should be played :aok:

Their defence will cost them

[BILLYHIBS]

Their defence will cost them

👍🏿

[Lancs Harp]

Their defence will cost them

Agreed. Centre backs and Keeper not up to it but its rare to have 11 world beaters in your team. Even Brazil 70 had Felix in goal.

[Hibbyradge]

England have a terrific side, great chance to win the Euros - talent all over the squad, need to prove it in the big ones mind - but enjoy their football, play like it should be played :aok:

They're certainly favourites and I think it's the best chance they've ever had.

[Gordy M]

Thing is, if we are 'out' after 2 games with 2 points, then israel must be out, Faroes and Moldova must be out and that leaves 2 teams, both who have played the bottom two seeds?? I think there is a lot still to play for. Wasnt that long ago where i was reading we would get thumped by Serbia.......

[AugustaHibs]

We do have a good side but we always find a way of screwing things up. Sure in recent times we have a fantastic qualifying record but find it difficult to get together a winning sequence in finals especially in knock out stages. Did well in Russia, much better than expected and have some fantastic youngsters coming through. Have a chance in the Euros and should progress through the group with all matches at Wembley. Next two matches will be away from London though and thats where the plan could fall to pieces and Scots fans will get their joy despite your first round exit :greengrin

Seriously though looking forward to the Euros, hopefully with some fans in the stadiums and this England fan, probably untypical of my fellow countryman, is glad to see Scotland there.

If england are to get close to their potential they have to build the team round Kane, mount, foden and rice.

Add in grealish to that also

[Nevi_SOL]

I might be in the optimistic camp here but I think we’ll still qualify if we beat faroes. Well get a confidence boost from being at the euros and we’ve yet to play the 2 lowest ranked teams unlike austra and Denmark who have played one of each. We won’t be the only nation to drop points to Israel

[TelaStella]

I think goal difference could always be a decider in the end given how arguably even the top 3/4 could turn out to be. Hope to see a few goals in the Faroe and Moldova games but watch us try and out 352 both them anaw.


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[WeeRussell]

They're certainly favourites and I think it's the best chance they've ever had.

Bookies now have them joint favs with France, they were leading the market a few days ago (obviously with so many home games being to their advantage).

I disagree though - I think their best chance of winning something, in my time, was when Rooney burst onto the scene and was playing with lampard and (that pr1ck) Gerrard in their prime.

Of course it doesn’t mean they can’t win the tournament, but I’ve always believed there’s at least 2 or 3 teams better than England at every tournament.. and this year is the same.

My money will side with Belgium. France obviously are contenders again... and Ronaldo might like his chances with the likes of Jota and Bruno Fernandez in support now as well. And it seems you can never write off Germans and Italians as well!

I’m getting excited just thinking about it, and that’s before getting to the fact we are there this time!!! Hopefully crowds and beer gardens are back in our lives when it comes round.

[JimBHibees]

They're certainly favourites and I think it's the best chance they've ever had.

Personally not hugely impressed with England under Southgate. Huge amount of talent however think they will struggle against the best teams defensively.