Scott Allan goes on loan

[B.H.F.C]

So in your opinion Ross is lying?

Lying is possibly pushing it. But he clearly doesn’t think Allan is capable of contributing on the pitch for us at the moment despite the fact he would have ‘preferred to keep him in the group’.

[flash]

I completely agree with you.

It’s just not popular to say it on here but his time with us as a first team player is over.

It's nothing to do with popular. It's more that you are presenting speculation as fact.

[WhileTheChief..]

Nope, I’m not, I’ve already covered that earlier.

I just don’t think we’ll see him play for us again.

[BlackSheep]

Nope, I’m not, I’ve already covered that earlier.

I just don’t think we’ll see him play for us again.

Admins, can we make this thread a sticky.... I’d love to see how well it ages when Scott is playing for us next season. A lot of hats and crow to be eaten.

[Since452]

Lying is possibly pushing it. But he clearly doesn’t think Allan is capable of contributing on the pitch for us at the moment despite the fact he would have ‘preferred to keep him in the group’.

It's Scott Allan who doesn't think he's capable of contributing on the pitch for us at the moment

[WhileTheChief..]

Admins, can we make this thread a sticky.... I’d love to see how well it ages when Scott is playing for us next season. A lot of hats and crow to be eaten.

Haha, cool!

Not sure why folk are so emotional about this?

It’s just a few posters saying they don’t think he’ll play for us again. No big deal, and I hope to God I’m wrong.

Love the guy but don’t see a way back for him, that’s all.

[Centre Hawf]

What am I moaning about??

Not you specifically moaning. Just in general I've seen some people moaning that the club have made a huge mistake.

[jacomo]

I completely agree with you.

It’s just not popular to say it on here but his time with us as a first team player is over.


Sadly I agree with you.

[Allant1981]

I'm merely commenting on the situation. Again, isn't that what we're here for?

Clearly, it's not a popular opinion to think he's away, but so far I've been accused of being 'pessimistic', 'making things up' and now I shouldn't be 'scrutinising' it?

I don't think he'll be back. For many reasons. If you don't agree with me that's cool!

Jeeeesus, tough crowd eh 🤣🤣🤣

Nope some things dont need scrutinised, the guy has been out for months with a serious illness, he needs games, we aren't in a position to give gim that just now, he asked to go out on loan as he doesn't think he is at the level required get, not sure what the big deal is?

[B.H.F.C]

It's Scott Allan who doesn't think he's capable of contributing on the pitch for us at the moment

Don’t believe that for a minute. Scott Allan isn’t getting the opportunity to contribute on the pitch for us which is why he wanted the move. There is no way he doesn’t believe he could contribute if given the opportunity.

Ross obviously doesn’t think he can contribute or he’d have had him on the pitch, wouldn’t he?

[MWHIBBIES]

Admins, can we make this thread a sticky.... I’d love to see how well it ages when Scott is playing for us next season. A lot of hats and crow to be eaten.

No. I think the ones who say he won't play for us again are wrong but they are totally entitled to their thoughts and shouldn't be given stick after if they are shown to be wrong.

One of the biggest issues on here is dozens of posts having a go at those who are shown to be wrong. I've been guilty of it myself. It discourages people from posting their opinions and that's not good.

[04Sauzee]

Worth a read on what Allan has to say regrading the move here.

https://www.edinburghlive.co.uk/sport/football/scott-allan-reveals-hibs-future-20272567.amp?__twitter_impression=true

[Hibbyradge]

Horrible feeling that it’s the beginning of the end of his time with us .
You don’t let one of your most creative and skilful players go out on loan to get fit for the next season , when your trying to cement the most important 3rd league finish in recent memory. Not to mention maybe another Scottish cup run .

Unless he's unfit and wouldn't get a game otherwise.

[The Spaceman]

Much more likely that Scott Allan can dictate his amount of playing minutes at ICT than with us for his road to recovery. Throwing him on under high pressure with us chasing a game for Europe against good opposition probably isn't ideal. Makes total sense IMO.

[NORTHERNHIBBY]

Suprised that the travelling to Inverness didn't rule the move out.

[Since452]

No. I think the ones who say he won't play for us again are wrong but they are totally entitled to their thoughts and shouldn't be given stick after if they are shown to be wrong.

One of the biggest issues on here is dozens of posts having a go at those who are shown to be wrong. I've been guilty of it myself. It discourages people from posting their opinions and that's not good.

I agree and have also been guilty of it. It wouldn't be a forum if everyone agreed on everything. Some folk believe he'll be back playing next season, some think he won't. I'm just glad that this is the biggest thing we're arguing about right now.

[Hibbyradge]

Just heard that, right enough Scott Allan said that his aim is to come back to Hibs at the end of the season. The Hibs statement didn't make any mention of that though. Anyway, none of us really know the truth, so we're all just speculating

We all know the truth.

It's just some people choose not to believe it.

[green day]

Worth a read on what Allan has to say regrading the move here.

https://www.edinburghlive.co.uk/sport/football/scott-allan-reveals-hibs-future-20272567.amp?__twitter_impression=true
Thanks for that.

Nothing particularly surprising in that, wanted more minutes to regain his fitness, wasnt going to get them here as bounce matches are out and there is no reserve league.

Knows McCann from Dundee days and wants to come back.

It makes perfect sense, and anyone thinking otherwise is just looking for a story imo.

[Hibbyradge]

Worth a read on what Allan has to say regrading the move here.

https://www.edinburghlive.co.uk/sport/football/scott-allan-reveals-hibs-future-20272567.amp?__twitter_impression=true

He's a liar. :grr:

[Hibbyradge]

I agree and have also been guilty of it. It wouldn't be a forum if everyone agreed on everything. Some folk believe he'll be back playing next season, some think he won't. I'm just glad that this is the biggest thing we're arguing about right now.

I think we should take things at face value. Why would anyone try to mislead us?

The plan is for Scott to use his time at ICT to build up his actual, and match, fitness.

In May, he'll return to Hibs and, after preseason training, he, and Hibs, will assess whether he's up to playing in the Premiership.

If he is, he'll play for Hibs. If not, he'll be sold/loaned/let go.

That day will come sometime, regardless of what happens at Inverness, but he's only 29 so hopefully he'll be with us for a few more years.

[Greenio]

Nope some things dont need scrutinised, the guy has been out for months with a serious illness, he needs games, we aren't in a position to give gim that just now, he asked to go out on loan as he doesn't think he is at the level required get, not sure what the big deal is?

I'm not scrutinising it, just discussing it and I've never said there was a big deal.

This is turning into one of those threads so I'm ducking out

If Scott Allan plays again for Hibs, everyone has permission to come back on here and wag your finger if you like. Until then, know that all those clambering to shoot down a personal opinion have exactly the same amount of insight as I do as to how all this will unfold, which is two fifths of hee haw!

[B.H.F.C]

Worth a read on what Allan has to say regrading the move here.

https://www.edinburghlive.co.uk/sport/football/scott-allan-reveals-hibs-future-20272567.amp?__twitter_impression=true

Pretty much what I’d expect. Interestingly, no mention from him that he didn’t feel he could contribute at our level.

[Hibbyradge]

Pretty much what I’d expect. Interestingly, no mention from him that he didn’t feel he could contribute at our level.

"I’m not able to get bounce games with Hibs at the moment and only got some appearances here and there so I need to get considerable minutes under my belt."

I wonder ehy he needs minutes under his belt? :hmmm:

[B.H.F.C]

"I’m not able to get bounce games with Hibs at the moment and only got some appearances here and there so I need to get considerable minutes under my belt."

I wonder ehy he needs minutes under his belt? :hmmm:

He needs minutes regardless of the level he’s playing at.

He’s not getting them Hibs, the only option for him is the championship. I merely disagree with what has been suggested about him not feeling he could compete at our level. It’s about opportunity to do so.

[Hibbyradge]

He needs minutes regardless of the level he’s playing at.

He’s not getting them Hibs, the only option for him is the championship. I merely disagree with what has been suggested about him not feeling he could compete at our level. It’s about opportunity to do so.

It's what he said to Jack Ross. I can't think of a single reason not to believe that.

If JR had decided he wasn't fit enough, he'd say that he'd been loaned out because he's not fit enough. That would be explanation enough. He wouldn't make up words and put them in the player's mouth.

He's going to be criticised by disappointed/paranoid/anti-JR fans anyway so why lie?

[B.H.F.C]

It's what he said to Jack Ross. I can't think of a single reason not to believe that.

If JR had decided he wasn't fit enough, he'd say that he'd been loaned out because he's not fit enough. That would be explanation enough. He wouldn't make up words and put them in the player's mouth.

He's going to be criticised by disappointed/paranoid/anti-JR fans anyway so why lie?

You can tell Ross doesn’t think he’s capable of contributing by the way he’s used, or not used, him since he came back.

That’s his call, he watches him every day and may well think he’s miles off it. The only other explanation for not giving him more minutes is that he doesn’t rate him (which I don’t think is the case).

I don’t think many, if any, managers tell the whole truth all the time.

[Hibbyradge]

You can tell Ross doesn’t think he’s capable of contributing by the way he’s used, or not used, him since he came back.

That’s his call, he watches him every day and may well think he’s miles off it. The only other explanation for not giving him more minutes is that he doesn’t rate him (which I don’t think is the case).

I don’t think many, if any, managers tell the whole truth all the time.

That may all be true, but why don't you believe that Scott feels the same way, as we've been told?

[jacomo]

That may all be true, but why don't you believe that Scott feels the same way, as we've been told?


Is this the hill you’re going to die on? Really?

Clubs rarely loan out 29 year old players because they are planning an integral role for them next season.

Scott’s future at Hibs looks a lot less certain now, but I’d be delighted to be wrong about this.

[B.H.F.C]

That may all be true, but why don't you believe that Scott feels the same way, as we've been told?

If I hear it from him, I’ll believe it.

I think it’s a simple case of a player being frustrated at not getting on the pitch and wanting to go and play elsewhere.

I think the comments from Ross are to look after Allan, and his relationship with Allan, rather than just come out and and publicly say he doesn’t feel he’s up to it just now.

[Allant1981]

Is this the hill you’re going to die on? Really?

Clubs rarely loan out 29 year old players because they are planning an integral role for them next season.

Scott’s future at Hibs looks a lot less certain now, but I’d be delighted to be wrong about this.

How many clubs have 29 year old come back after a serious heart complication and can't afford to give game time due to no reserve games

[MWHIBBIES]

Is this the hill you’re going to die on? Really?

Clubs rarely loan out 29 year old players because they are planning an integral role for them next season.

Scott’s future at Hibs looks a lot less certain now, but I’d be delighted to be wrong about this.

Bit of a unique situation with his heart condition and diabetes.

[hibee-boys]

Some people are over-thinking this. Scott was not going to play an active part in the run in, he’s far more likely to get match minutes at Inverness than at Hibs. I’d imagine for Scott’s peace of mind more than anything he’ll be wanting to test himself in game conditions. Hopefully we’ll see a more sharp, match fit Scott Allan back at Hibs ready to contribute at the beginning of next season after a pre-season and, probably more importantly, a run of match minutes in friendly and league cup games.

[Hibbyradge]

Is this the hill you’re going to die on? Really?

Clubs rarely loan out 29 year old players because they are planning an integral role for them next season.

Scott’s future at Hibs looks a lot less certain now, but I’d be delighted to be wrong about this.

Ha ha. It's only a question, not a hill.

But you have a point. I don't know why I'm putting so much effort into this. Abject lockdown boredom maybe.

Having said that (can't resist), clubs don't usually have players recovering from heart conditions.

[basehibby]

I really have no idea what level of contribution Scott would have made at Hibs over the rest of the season, but I admire his determination and resolution to get some games under his belt as the next stage of his recovery. From his point of view that's the most important thing and you really can't blame him - he must be desperate to get back on the pitch having had no choice but to watch from the sidelines for the last year or so while spending much of it wondering if he would ever play again!

These days though, loan moves are increasingly common and they happen for all kinds of reasons. Whereas not long ago a senior player going out on loan would be a surefire sign they were on their way out, these days, with no reserve league, it's increasingly common for players to be loaned out to get match fitness levels up and that's what Scott is doing here. I therefore wish him a happy stay in the Highlands in the hope he will get right into his stride and be back in a Hibs shirt next season.

[flash]

If I hear it from him, I’ll believe it.

I think it’s a simple case of a player being frustrated at not getting on the pitch and wanting to go and play elsewhere.

I think the comments from Ross are to look after Allan, and his relationship with Allan, rather than just come out and and publicly say he doesn’t feel he’s up to it just now.
Listen to his post match interview on ICT TV. Seems pretty straightforward to me.

[Allez Hibs]

We have a very tricky Scottish Cup tie away at Queen of the South next weekend. Thinking if we get through that and got a favourable draw v a lower league team that might have been an ideal game for Scott Allan to play in. I will refrain from criticising the manager and club but I'd liked to have seen Scott Allan stay at the club for the run in just in case we get a bad injury or a suspension. Really hope this isn't the end of the road for Scott Allan at Hibs.

We are in a very good position just now but if you'd been told at the start of the season Scott Allan would be playing for Inverness you'd have thought no chance.

Also, were Hibs ever in for Scott Brown? Have the club missed a trick here? The more I think of it the more I think we should have signed him.

[Hibbyradge]

Listen to his post match interview on ICT TV. Seems pretty straightforward to me.

Where can I find that?

[B.H.F.C]

Listen to his post match interview on ICT TV. Seems pretty straightforward to me.

Does he say that he didn’t think he could contribute at Premiership level in it?

[Hibbyradge]

Does he say that he didn’t think he could contribute at Premiership level in it?

If Flash answers "yes" to that question, why would you prefer to believe him rather than the manager?

[B.H.F.C]

If Flash answers "yes" to that question, why would you prefer to believe him rather than the manager?

He won’t answer yes because Allan doesn’t say it.

[Hibbyradge]

He won’t answer yes because Allan doesn’t say it.

Maybe so, but I don't understand why you think the manager is lying when there is absolutely no reason to.

I know you won't answer, but I really have to duck out, now anyway. What's left of my mental health is suffering! :greengrin

[B.H.F.C]

Maybe so, but I don't understand why you think the manager is lying when there is absolutely no reason to.

I know you won't answer, but I really have to duck out, now anyway. What's left of my mental health is suffering! :greengrin

I posted earlier in the thread, in response to you, why I think he’s said what he has.

[Hibbyradge]

I posted earlier in the thread, in response to you, why I think he’s said what he has.

"I tried to get out, but you dragged me back in!"

Apologies, I missed your reply.

[Jim44]

.......Also, were Hibs ever in for Scott Brown? Have the club missed a trick here? The more I think of it the more I think we should have signed him......

For what it’s worth, I heard that Brown’s agent was touting him around a few clubs, including us. My purely personal guess, is that JR is using available budget to secure ongoing deals, which might have been weakened by the financing of a very expensive deal with Brown.

[Billy Whizz]

For what it’s worth, I heard that Brown’s agent was touting him around a few clubs, including us. My purely personal guess, is that JR is using available budget to secure ongoing deals, which might have been weakened by the financing of a very expensive deal with Brown.

No idea Jim, but it looks like he was wanting a role that included coaching duties, and there was nothing available at Hibs

[FitbaFolkKen]

Hibs have handled Scott’s situation really well, kept it private and supported him throughout the last year.

Why anyone thinks this part of the recovery process would be any different is beyond me.


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[Weegreenman]

I'm not scrutinising it, just discussing it and I've never said there was a big deal.

This is turning into one of those threads so I'm ducking out

If Scott Allan plays again for Hibs, everyone has permission to come back on here and wag your finger if you like. Until then, know that all those clambering to shoot down a personal opinion have exactly the same amount of insight as I do as to how all this will unfold, which is two fifths of hee haw!

I don’t think he’ll be back unfortunately.

[lord bunberry]

Where can I find that?
https://twitter.com/strong_op_hibs/status/1376092223545171971?s=21

[WeeRussell]

10 pages of arguing about whether Jack Ross has lied about something he has absolutely no reason to lie about 😂

[Since452]

10 pages of arguing about whether Jack Ross has lied about something he has absolutely no reason to lie about 😂

We've not had a game this weekend. Folk need to moan about something.

[WeeRussell]

We've not had a game this weekend. Folk need to moan about something.

True.. what’s wrong with the usual moaning about it being the international break and folk trying to outdo each other about how much they don’t care about their own country?

[Allez Hibs]

True.. what’s wrong with the usual moaning about it being the international break and folk trying to outdo each other about how much they don’t care about their own country?

Whatever way you dress it up, Hibs have let their best player go out on loan at a critical period of the season - and now there's talk that he won't be back. The fans are quite right to moan.

Scott Allan is a player that you fit in the team, the type of player you let train when he wants, like Latapy.

Some are even saying he's now not our best player - madness.

[Danderhall Hibs]

Whatever way you dress it up, Hibs have let their best player go out on loan at a critical period of the season - and now there's talk that he won't be back. The fans are quite right to moan.

Scott Allan is a player that you fit in the team, the type of player you let train when he wants.

Some are even saying he's now not our best player - madness.

There’s only talk he won’t be back from a few folk that don’t believe the manager, the player or the club.

[B.H.F.C]

There’s only talk he won’t be back from a few folk that don’t believe the manager, the player or the club.

Allan will definitely be back at Hibs. Whether he can get back to a level that means he then remains at Hibs is a different story. I don’t believe anybody is thinking about not having Allan at Hibs next season. Not at the moment, anyway.

[jacomo]

There’s only talk he won’t be back from a few folk that don’t believe the manager, the player or the club.


I don’t believe you are naive, so I can only think that you are at it.

We all know how football operates. Scott is entitled to put a positive spin on things and the club is right not to do anything to undermine that, but we have sent our most creative player out on loan while there is still much to fight for this season.

It doesn’t look promising.

[jacomo]

We have a very tricky Scottish Cup tie away at Queen of the South next weekend. Thinking if we get through that and got a favourable draw v a lower league team that might have been an ideal game for Scott Allan to play in. I will refrain from criticising the manager and club but I'd liked to have seen Scott Allan stay at the club for the run in just in case we get a bad injury or a suspension. Really hope this isn't the end of the road for Scott Allan at Hibs.

We are in a very good position just now but if you'd been told at the start of the season Scott Allan would be playing for Inverness you'd have thought no chance.

Also, were Hibs ever in for Scott Brown? Have the club missed a trick here? The more I think of it the more I think we should have signed him.


I agree with your first point.

As for Scott Brown, I am not sure. He’d bring many qualities to the team but maybe the coaching aspect is too important to him, and we don’t have an opening there.

[Allez Hibs]

You could look at it and think Jack Ross has potentially put himself under pressure here if we don't see 3rd place out.

Positives
Away Record
Beat Aberdeen once
Ok record against teams we should beat
Found a left back and stuck with him
Newell is a player

Negatives
Let Scott Allan go on loan at the most critical time of the season
Scottish Cup Semi Final loss v Hearts - biggest game of the season
League Cup Semi Final loss to St Johnstone
Home Record / consistency / poor results at home
Record v other big clubs
Balance of the squad

[Allez Hibs]

I agree with your first point.

As for Scott Brown, I am not sure. He’d bring many qualities to the team but maybe the coaching aspect is too important to him, and we don’t have an opening there.

Create one?

[Danderhall Hibs]

I don’t believe you are naive, so I can only think that you are at it.

We all know how football operates. Scott is entitled to put a positive spin on things and the club is right not to do anything to undermine that, but we have sent our most creative player out on loan while there is still much to fight for this season.

It doesn’t look promising.

I don’t believe I’m naive nor am I at it. I’m just taking what the club say at face value instead of getting angry about us trying to help a player recover from a serious illness and making up stories about him not coming back.

[Danderhall Hibs]

You could look at it and think Jack Ross has potentially put himself under pressure here if we don't see 3rd place out.

Positives
Away Record
Beat Aberdeen once
Ok record against teams we should beat
Found a left back and stuck with him
Newell is a player

Negatives
Let Scott Allan go on loan at the most critical time of the season
Scottish Cup Semi Final loss v Hearts - biggest game of the season
League Cup Semi Final loss to St Johnstone
Home Record / consistency / poor results at home
Record v other big clubs
Balance of the squad

If he gets us 3rd place will he get any credit it will we just create a new narrative?

[jacomo]

I don’t believe I’m naive nor am I at it. I’m just taking what the club say at face value instead of getting angry about us trying to help a player recover from a serious illness and making up stories about him not coming back.


Do you think it’s likely he will be back at Hibs next season?

[jacomo]

Create one?


Jack Ross already has his trusted assistant and David Gray and Daz are earmarked for coaching duties.

What would Scott do? Put out the cones?

He’s been appointed as assistant at Aberdeen. That’s a much more significant role than anything we could offer him.

[noz]

dunno if mentioned already, but whats also strange that Neil McCann also had him at Dundee but Allan wasnt always in his first eleven?

[WhileTheChief..]

There’s only talk he won’t be back from a few folk that don’t believe the manager, the player or the club.

I believe all those mention but still don’t think he’ll play for us again :greengrin

[Allez Hibs]

If he gets us 3rd place will he get any credit it will we just create a new narrative?

Narrative will be that we aren't that convincing, I mean we could finish 3rd with only having beaten Aberdeen once with no Hearts in the league. And no Hearts in the league is important with our record in Derbies and points dropped.

It's a funny one, statistical fans will say we have finished 3rd on merit while more pragmatic fans will look at how we play and factor in Aberdeen have been poor along with the Semi Finals.

Doesn't Kyle Magennis need game time and time to prove himself more than Scott Allan?

[Allez Hibs]

Jack Ross already has his trusted assistant and David Gray and Daz are earmarked for coaching duties.

What would Scott do? Put out the cones?

He’s been appointed as assistant at Aberdeen. That’s a much more significant role than anything we could offer him.

Fair point 👍

[Danderhall Hibs]

Do you think it’s likely he will be back at Hibs next season?

Yes.

[Danderhall Hibs]

I believe all those mention but still don’t think he’ll play for us again :greengrin

He might not - that’s likely due to not recovering from his condition though.

[Billy Whizz]

dunno if mentioned already, but whats also strange that Neil McCann also had him at Dundee but Allan wasnt always in his first eleven?

He was injured for a bit at Dundee

[Danderhall Hibs]

Narrative will be that we aren't that convincing, I mean we could finish 3rd with only having beaten Aberdeen once with no Hearts in the league. And no Hearts in the league is important with our record in Derbies and points dropped.

It's a funny one, statistical fans will say we have finished 3rd on merit while more pragmatic fans will look at how we play and factor in Aberdeen have been poor along with the Semi Finals.

Doesn't Kyle Magennis need game time and time to prove himself more than Scott Allan?

Is pragmatic what we’re calling them now?

They both need game time - would you have sent them both out on loan? I think it’s sensible to keep one and probably the younger one that’s not recovering from a major heart condition is the pragmatic call.

[Andy74]

Do you think it’s likely he will be back at Hibs next season?

Yes he will. The only way it will end is if he comes back and then still doesn’t get back in.

[WeeRussell]

There’s only talk he won’t be back from a few folk that don’t believe the manager, the player or the club.

Saved me responding 👍

There’s no need to “dress” anything up, unless you don’t trust what has come from the above parties.

Part of his recovery (hopefully) back to the top level is spending some time on loan to get playing again.

I also think he’s our best player, when fit. I have absolutely no problem with him spending a few weeks on loan if that’s what the manager and Scott think is the best way to aid his return.

If it turns out he struggles to get back to the top of his game because of everything him and his body has been through then I guess folk can come back and tell us they were right and he was never wanted by Jack Ross 👍

In the meantime, we can look forward to him getting stronger and being ready to go for a big next season.

[jacomo]

Yes.


Well I certainly hope so. Fingers crossed.

[Since452]

Whatever way you dress it up, Hibs have let their best player go out on loan at a critical period of the season - and now there's talk that he won't be back. The fans are quite right to moan.

Scott Allan is a player that you fit in the team, the type of player you let train when he wants, like Latapy.

Some are even saying he's now not our best player - madness.

He isn't our best player though. We haven't let Martin Boyle or Kevin Nisbet go out on loan. We're helping a player who almost had to retire and is still getting up to speed after months out get some game time at a less testing level.

[jeffers]

Saved me responding 👍

There’s no need to “dress” anything up, unless you don’t trust what has come from the above parties.

Part of his recovery (hopefully) back to the top level is spending some time on loan to get playing again.

I also think he’s our best player, when fit. I have absolutely no problem with him spending a few weeks on loan if that’s what the manager and Scott think is the best way to aid his return.

If it turns out he struggles to get back to the top of his game because of everything him and his body has been through then I guess folk can come back and tell us they were right and he was never wanted by Jack Ross 👍

In the meantime, we can look forward to him getting stronger and being ready to go for a big next season.

My (intended) last post on this subject.

If folk choose to believe Jack Ross is always 100% honest in what he says then fair enough. I don’t. He’s not that unusual in that respect, every manager I can think of is economical with the truth if it suits them.

He didn’t want to let Scott go on loan according to him. He didn’t want to let Mallan go on loan according to him. He didn’t want to lose Oli Shaw permanently according to him. Yet where are these players now ? The final decision is Ross’, but as I’ve said before he likes to keep players on side.

For posters like me who have concerns that Ross doesn’t see Scott Allan as a big part of his future plans that could have been easily addressed. All he needed to say was he didn’t feel Scott was ready to contribute this season, but he was still a big part of his plans and would welcome him back in the summer.

[Allez Hibs]

He isn't our best player though. We haven't let Martin Boyle or Kevin Nisbet go out on loan. We're helping a player who almost had to retire and is still getting up to speed after months out get some game time at a less testing level.

Who is our best player?

It is Scott Allan for me all day long.

[Allez Hibs]

My (intended) last post on this subject.

If folk choose to believe Jack Ross is always 100% honest in what he says then fair enough. I don’t. He’s not that unusual in that respect, every manager I can think of is economical with the truth if it suits them.

He didn’t want to let Scott go on loan according to him. He didn’t want to let Mallan go on loan according to him. He didn’t want to lose Oli Shaw permanently according to him. Yet where are these players now ? The final decision is Ross’, but as I’ve said before he likes to keep players on side.

For posters like me who have concerns that Ross doesn’t see Scott Allan as a big part of his future plans that could have been easily addressed. All he needed to say was he didn’t feel Scott was ready to contribute this season, but he was still a big part of his plans and would welcome him back in the summer.

Well said.

[Tyler Durden]

Narrative will be that we aren't that convincing, I mean we could finish 3rd with only having beaten Aberdeen once with no Hearts in the league. And no Hearts in the league is important with our record in Derbies and points dropped.

It's a funny one, statistical fans will say we have finished 3rd on merit while more pragmatic fans will look at how we play and factor in Aberdeen have been poor along with the Semi Finals.

Doesn't Kyle Magennis need game time and time to prove himself more than Scott Allan?

Nah I think the narrative will be that no team outside the OF has won more points than Hibs since Ross took over. Built a team with a solid defensive record this year and getting the best out of a squad that is improving every window.

How many times did Aberdeen or Motherwell beat Hibs last season? It’s irrelevant. The league table doesn’t lie.

[Since452]

Is pragmatic what we’re calling them now?

They both need game time - would you have sent them both out on loan? I think it’s sensible to keep one and probably the younger one that’s not recovering from a major heart condition is the pragmatic call.

I think Ross would have kept both of them but one pushed for a loan. I've no reason to believe he was telling lies.

[B.H.F.C]

I think Ross would have kept both of them but one pushed for a loan. I've no reason to believe he was telling lies.

I don’t think anybody has denied Scott Allan pushed for a loan. There are some other things that were mentioned that people are sceptical about though.

[Since452]

Who is our best player?

It is Scott Allan for me all day long.

Not Scott Allan anyway. He's hardly kicked a ball all season after his career/life threatening condition. He's exceptional when fully fit and in top condition as we all know but he isn't right now.

[Allez Hibs]

Nah I think the narrative will be that no team outside the OF has won more points than Hibs since Ross took over. Built a team with a solid defensive record this year and getting the best out of a squad that is improving every window.

How many times did Aberdeen or Motherwell beat Hibs last season? It’s irrelevant. The league table doesn’t lie.

Last season, Jack Ross was in charge for about 6 games and finished 7th? Hearts beat us 3-1 at home and beat us in a Semi Final that's the narrative.

We are ordinary.

I do think Jack Ross will be away at the first sign of a club like Preston wanting him.

Scott Allan is the main player at the club.

[WhileTheChief..]

He might not - that’s likely due to not recovering from his condition though.

Agreed.

[Heisenberg]

Not Scott Allan anyway. He's hardly kicked a ball all season after his career/life threatening condition. He's exceptional when fully fit and in top condition as we all know but he isn't right now.

Exactly. Scott Allan is nowhere near our best player in his current condition. Needs to get his fitness and match sharpness back and we can’t afford to let him do that in our league run in. This move makes perfect sense.

[FitbaFolkKen]

Narrative will be that we aren't that convincing, I mean we could finish 3rd with only having beaten Aberdeen once with no Hearts in the league. And no Hearts in the league is important with our record in Derbies and points dropped.

It's a funny one, statistical fans will say we have finished 3rd on merit while more pragmatic fans will look at how we play and factor in Aberdeen have been poor along with the Semi Finals.

Doesn't Kyle Magennis need game time and time to prove himself more than Scott Allan?

You can only beat what is in front of you.

Why would you want to run with such a negative narrative? Give the club some respect.

We hopefully finish 3rd even with the following issues

- a national pandemic. We got slaughtered in the media at the start of the season for our handling. Aberdeen sold a lot of important players in January, perhaps their downturn is related to not dealing with things as well as we did earlier.
- Scotty being missing for the season.
- bids for Nisbet and Ryan
- gutting losses in the cup
- our number 1 announcing his departure at the end of the season
- Leeann moving on

It’s pretty amazing, consider how many issues there have also been at Rangers/Celtic/Aberdeen related to Covid. We’ve quietly got along with our business. Perhaps the inconsistency we’ve seen at times is due to the impact of the current situation. I know my work has been inconsistent in the last 12 months.

Why you would want to sit in misery and say “we only got third because Aberdeen were rubbish”. It is ridiculous. We’ve potentially got some amazing European football to look forward to next year because we may achieve a league position we rarely do.

We’ve made some great signings such as McGinn, Cadden and Irvine. The squad likely doesn’t need too much work so we might only see some real quality come in in the summer.

I salute the club, Jack, and Ron for everything that has been achieved this year. It’s been an awful year but imagine in 6 months reliving days like Brondby away.

Let’s stop being miserable and get excited!

GGTTH

P.S. I managed to not even mention the comedy show across the city.


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[Allez Hibs]

You can only beat what is in front of you.

Why would you want to run with such a negative narrative? Give the club some respect.

We hopefully finish 3rd even with the following issues

- a national pandemic. We got slaughtered in the media at the start of the season for our handling. Aberdeen sold a lot of important players in January, perhaps their downturn is related to not dealing with things as well as we did earlier.
- Scotty being missing for the season.
- bids for Nisbet and Ryan
- gutting losses in the cup
- our number 1 announcing his departure at the end of the season
- Leeann moving on

It’s pretty amazing, consider how many issues there have also been at Rangers/Celtic/Aberdeen related to Covid. We’ve quietly got along with our business. Perhaps the inconsistency we’ve seen at times is due to the impact of the current situation. I know my work has been inconsistent in the last 12 months.

Why you would want to sit in misery and say “we only got third because Aberdeen were rubbish”. It is ridiculous. We’ve potentially got some amazing European football to look forward to next year because we may achieve a league position we rarely do.

We’ve made some great signings such as McGinn, Cadden and Irvine. The squad likely doesn’t need too much work so we might only see some real quality come in in the summer.

I salute the club, Jack, and Ron for everything that has been achieved this year. It’s been an awful year but imagine in 6 months reliving days like Brondby away.

Let’s stop being miserable and get excited!

GGTTH

P.S. I managed to not even mention the comedy show across the city.


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Love the optimism and you raise some good points 👍

[Brightside]

Who is our best player?

It is Scott Allan for me all day long.

Scott Allan isn’t in our top 11 right now. How on earth can he be our best player? He’s a great player when he’s fit and on form. For no fault of his own that hasn’t been for a while.

[WeeRussell]

Last season, Jack Ross was in charge for about 6 games and finished 7th? Hearts beat us 3-1 at home and beat us in a Semi Final that's the narrative.

We are ordinary.

I do think Jack Ross will be away at the first sign of a club like Preston wanting him.

Scott Allan is the main player at the club.

Wow - you really don’t like our manager do you?

Scott Allan is my favourite player at Hibs, and for me the most gifted midfielder since Latapy. But how is he possibly the “main player” right now having played about 20 minutes in the last 10 months?

If he gets back match fit then he’s every chance of being the main man again. Hopefully this loan spell helps that.

[Allez Hibs]

Wow - you really don’t like our manager do you?

Scott Allan is my favourite player at Hibs, and for me the most gifted midfielder since Latapy. But how is he possibly the “main player” right now having played about 20 minutes in the last 10 months?

If he gets back match fit then he’s every chance of being the main man again. Hopefully this loan spell helps that.

Where have I said I dislike the manager?

I am simply stating past results and giving my opinion on a decision.

[Brightside]

Last season, Jack Ross was in charge for about 6 games and finished 7th? Hearts beat us 3-1 at home and beat us in a Semi Final that's the narrative.

We are ordinary.

I do think Jack Ross will be away at the first sign of a club like Preston wanting him.

Scott Allan is the main player at the club.

We are the 3rd best team in Scotland. That’s the narrative.

[WeeRussell]

Where have I said I dislike the manager?

I am simply stating past results and giving my opinion on a decision.

You haven’t. I’m asking if that’s the case given you’ve called his team (who are going to have their best league campaign in many years) ordinary, highlighted two games against hearts from last season, and made an assumption that he’s the sort of person who is ready to bolt at the first opportunity.

It sounds like you’re not a fan of his. Apologies if that’s not the case.

[Tyler Durden]

Last season, Jack Ross was in charge for about 6 games and finished 7th? Hearts beat us 3-1 at home and beat us in a Semi Final that's the narrative.

We are ordinary.

I do think Jack Ross will be away at the first sign of a club like Preston wanting him.

Scott Allan is the main player at the club.

And Hibs under Ross went to Tynecastle and won 2-0

Hammered Aberdeen aswell

[Since90+2]

And Hibs under Ross went to Tynecastle and won 2-0

Hammered Aberdeen aswell

Wouldn't call 2-0 a hammering.

[Heisenberg]

Wouldn't call 2-0 a hammering.

I’d guess the poster meant our 3-0 win v them last season.

[JimBHibees]

We are the 3rd best team in Scotland. That’s the narrative.

Fact.

[Allez Hibs]

This isn't being negative... but, we still need to finish it off and finish 3rd.

[WeeRussell]

This isn't being negative... but, we still need to finish it off and finish 3rd.

Absolutely. The job is there to be done thanks to a good season so far., but needs completing all the same.

If we do go on and finish it off, what will the narrative be?

[Danderhall Hibs]

I’d guess the poster meant our 3-0 win v them last season.

Often not included in the “big game” chat.

[WeeRussell]

Often not included in the “big game” chat.

That’ll be because the majority of those obsessing over “big games” are those looking for ways to knock Jack Ross.

[jeffers]

That’ll be because the majority of those obsessing over “big games” are those looking for ways to knock Jack Ross.

We had two very winnable semis and he blew them both. I wouldn’t say it’s obsessing it’s valid criticism IMO.

[Since90+2]

We had two very winnable semis and he blew them both. I wouldn’t say it’s obsessing it’s valid criticism IMO.

Agreed.

I like Jack Ross but losing those two games are a blemish on an otherwise pretty impressive record at Hibs. The Hearts one especially was a really bad one to lose.

[Wilson]

We had two very winnable semis and he blew them both. I wouldn’t say it’s obsessing it’s valid criticism IMO.

Folk obsessing about people obsessing about ways to knock Jack Ross... are going to drag us back down this rabbit hole!

[Danderhall Hibs]

We had two very winnable semis and he blew them both. I wouldn’t say it’s obsessing it’s valid criticism IMO.

It’s a valid criticism but not a noose round his neck.

[jeffers]

It’s a valid criticism but not a noose round his neck.

I agree.

[WeeRussell]

We had two very winnable semis and he blew them both. I wouldn’t say it’s obsessing it’s valid criticism IMO.

Maybe. My point was around people choosing to forget the ‘big games’ he has won when making those claims. That being because it doesn’t suit.

[Allez Hibs]

Maybe. My point was around people choosing to forget the ‘big games’ he has won when making those claims. That being because it doesn’t suit.

He has won 3 big games in about 16.

[Danderhall Hibs]

He has won 3 big games in about 16.

It’s the “shock jock” nature of posts like this that get folks back up.

[Allez Hibs]

It’s the “shock jock” nature of posts like this that get folks back up.

Might be a bit facetious but I do hope the players and managers backs are up going up to Aberdeen to get a result to prove we are the 3rd best side in the league. Chip on the shoulder to see it over the line.

[blackpoolhibs]

Might be a bit facetious but I do hope the players and managers backs are up going up to Aberdeen to get a result to prove we are the 3rd best side in the league. Chip on the shoulder to see it over the line.

I hope we finish 3rd by one goal, just to annoy the hell out of folk like you.

[Allez Hibs]

You claiming Jack Ross has won 3 big games in “about 16” is now a stat?

Stat, fact, result, reality or hypocrisy you decide 😂

[Allez Hibs]

I hope we finish 3rd by one goal, just to annoy the hell out of folk like you.

Happened in 2004/5

Question is would you take it if it was offered right now?

[blackpoolhibs]

Happened in 2004/5

Question is would you take it if it was offered right now?

I dont need to take it now, i'm happy with the progress we are making. It annoys the hell out of you though. :faf:

[Allez Hibs]

I dont need to take it now, i'm happy with the progress we are making. It annoys the hell out of you though. :faf:

Not I. I would settle for your scenario for what it's worth though 👍

[Since452]

I've seen threads closed for far less. Descended into nonsense.

[J-C]

How the **** did a thread about Allan going on loan turn into a squabble regarding Ross, how good we are/are not and why we are 3rd jeez his forum is nuts at times.

[Peevemor]

How the **** did a thread about Allan going on loan turn into a squabble regarding Ross, how good we are/are not and why we are 3rd jeez his forum is nuts at times.Especially when the people who steer the thread toward their own strange universe aren't the ones getting warnings.