Would Hibs sign a player for a million pds?

[CJHibby]

If Hibs had sold KN for the reputed £3m price tag to Birmingham, does anyone believe they would have bought a replacement, say hypothetically Lawrence Shankland, for 1 or 1.5 million??

[HoboHarry]

If Hibs had sold KN for the reputed £3m price tag to Birmingham, does anyone believe they would have bought a replacement, say hypothetically Lawrence Shankland, for 1 or 1.5 million??

Yes, on the same day as I had a dinner date with Emma Stone......

[MWHIBBIES]

No chance

[blaikie]

If Hibs had sold KN for the reputed £3m price tag to Birmingham, does anyone believe they would have bought a replacement, say hypothetically Lawrence Shankland, for 1 or 1.5 million??

I believe we would pay a million for the right player, especially under Ron but it would need to be the right player and probably proven high performer at this level with a near enough gurnateed sell-on value.

Unrelated, but the highest bid I can remember was around 900k for Steven Naismith when he was at Killie, I'm sure that was the same time Petrie wouldn't sanction a move for Barry Robson when Collins requested it.

[Bangkok Hibby]

If Ron is serious about being best of the rest then yes, absolutely.

[Since452]

Can't see it. Unless we regularly make the European group stages over the next few seasons and make some serious profit on player sales

[GRA]

Considering the record amount we have paid for a transfer was £700K, about 20 years ago, its highly unlikely to be happening any time soon.

[Peevemor]

Hibs may well be capable of paying £1m transfer fee but we'd also have to pay wages that match. In that range we'd be bidding against teams from the English Championshio who have far bigger budgets than us.

[calumhibee1]

Hibs may well be capable of paying £1m transfer fee but we'd also have to pay wages that match. In that range we'd be bidding against teams from the English Championshio who have far bigger budgets than us.

:agree:

That would be the issue.

For the right player I’m sure we’d be happy to pay the £1m fee, especially if we’d just sold someone, say Nisbet for example, for £3m or 4m.

The paying 10k a week or whatever a £1m player would command wouldn’t happen though imo.

[Kaff]

It would have to be similar to the Nisbet transfer, young player currently on low wages showing enough potential for development to come in with similar wage to squad realising that working hard at Hibs is a stepping stone to international squad and offers from England.
Nisbets progress is key now, McGinn has shown being patient worked so it's important that Nisbet does too.

It's not to say we won't pay a signing on fee to get a more experienced player but that will go to the player rather than a club.
An example would be Leigh Griffiths, if he's frozen out at Celtic he could arrange a release from his contract, Hibs pay him a lump sum directly which aggregated over 2 years would cover a large part of his drop in wages while keeping his monthly pay within that of the squad high earners.
Not likely to happen but an example I think we might do for the right player.

Edit.
Before we pay up to a £1m we would need a couple of similar deals to Nisbet working I feel

[Stevie Reid]

If Ron is serious about being best of the rest then yes, absolutely.

Not fussed about us paying big transfer fees - as others have pointed out, big transfer fees = big wages as well, which makes the whole deal extremely risky. Bigger wages is the most important thing in terms of increasing player quality, and increasing the wage budget was central to Ron's plans that he publicised pre-Covid.

I can't think of many teams outside the OF that have paid big transfer fees that have been a success, there's a few that stick out for the opposite reasons though: Aberdeen with Paul Bernard back in the 90s, and recently, Ronald Hernandez.

I think attracting Bosman signings on bigger wages would be the way forward if our budget were still able to increase in line with Ron's plans.

[CMurdoch]

A better question would be whether Hibs would be willing to pay the development fees for upcoming players like Campbell of Motherwell.
Apparently whoever takes him in the summer will have to pay out somewhere in the region of £440k.
Biggest fly in the ointment with these guys is they typically want to play in England where £500k is loose change.

[The Modfather]

Hibs may well be capable of paying £1m transfer fee but we'd also have to pay wages that match. In that range we'd be bidding against teams from the English Championshio who have far bigger budgets than us.

If we’re paying in the region of £200k - £300k (guesswork as nobody really knows) for Nisbet, and the accompanying wage, now. With a run in Europe/regulary getting into Europe, combined with our focus on improving the commercial side. I can see us investing a million on a player in the near-ish future. Albeit probably more in wages and a signing on fee for someone out of contract than paying a fee.

I’d really love us to get Campbell. Hopefully we make a move once 3rd is confirmed.

[Peevemor]

If we’re paying in the region of £200k - £300k (guesswork as nobody really knows) for Nisbet, and the accompanying wage, now. With a run in Europe/regulary getting into Europe, combined with our focus on improving the commercial side. I can see us investing a million on a player in the near-ish future. Albeit probably more in wages and a signing on fee for someone out of contract than paying a fee.

I’d really love us to get Campbell. Hopefully we make a move once 3rd is confirmed.

Possibly - I don't know. Ron spoke about doubling our turnover and obviously group stage European football would be a huge step toward that - albeit far from guaranteed.

Our wage budget has been running at £4-5m. One player taking home £10k per week would use up maybe 15% of that.

[basehibby]

Given that we are now debt free as a club I would say it's just a matter of time. Would require money coming in of course, but if we received a fee of say, £3M for a player at any point in the future then there are no longer any stands to pay for etc. so it has to go on the squad really.

[LancsHibs]

If we get top dollar for KN and get the euro spot we want then I would yes for the right player

[ancient hibee]

Only if we can sell him for £5 million.

[Sir David Gray]

In a word, no.

[Magpie]

Don’t think we would have made a permanent signing but I expect a loan signing would have been made if he had went.

[SHODAN]

In ten years' time English teams will routinely be selling and buying £1 billion players from each other, while still offering at max £2 million for our wonderkids.

So, no.

[Laced1875]

Sorry to be a nerd, but paying £700,000 in 2001 for de la Cruz (adjusted for today’s inflation) is around £1.1 million, so the answer is we already have ? Kind of...

[Fergus52]

Possibly - I don't know. Ron spoke about doubling our turnover and obviously group stage European football would be a huge step toward that - albeit far from guaranteed.

Our wage budget has been running at £4-5m. One player taking home £10k per week would use up maybe 15% of that.

Its not set in stone that a £1million pound player would necessarily require that much wages though.

In most cases it might be the case but I could see some scenarios where we pay £1million pounds for a player and only pay them half of that.

Say we sold Nisbet in the summer and went in for Shankland, and had no competition for him from the bigger clubs in the Championship down south. He'd probably come for 5-6k a week, even if we had to pay £1million plus for him.

[Unseen work]

I honestly wouldn’t even want us so spend 1 million on a player.

The players we do spend money on seen to come under a lot more scrutiny so I can’t even imagine what it would be like if we spent 1 million on someone.

I think the way to go is a couple of hundred thousand here and there on a player that’s going to develop and go for a couple of million or at least get our money’s worth out of them as they contribute and help us get 3rd place.

We’ve shown we’re willing to do that by signing Nisbet, Cadden and Magennis in the summer.

I really hope Magennis proves his worth next season.

[Peevemor]

Its not set in stone that a £1million pound player would necessarily require that much wages though.

In most cases it might be the case but I could see some scenarios where we pay £1million pounds for a player and only pay them half of that.

Say we sold Nisbet in the summer and went in for Shankland, and had no competition for him from the bigger clubs in the Championship down south. He'd probably come for 5-6k a week, even if we had to pay £1million plus for him.

That's a lot of ifs though.

The only point I was making was that a player who's worth £1m to Hibs is going to be pretty good. If he's available then his agent will try to get him the best money possible and, as things stand, there are plenty clus around capable of paying more than us.

[matty_f]

I don't think it'll be far off before we do it. If you think at the moment, we're spent (or were prepared to spend in January) £250k on Nisbet with a view to developing him and then selling on (same for Magennis).

Ron Gordon wants to double the wage bill within a couple of years (pre-covid plans, but I would imagine that's still the ambition) - to do that we need to generate more income but we also have to spend more money on wages. So we're either going to offer more wages to a similar level of player (why would we do that?), or go after a better quality of player.

The idea is that we spend £250k on a player to then take in £3m for them, then the next time you go into the market you can go in for a more expensive player to (ideally) get a higher return when you sell them on, and then repeat. Sooner or later, you've got the money to sustainably buy £1m pound players.

It's not *that* far fetched, IMHO.

[lucky]

Sell Nisbet for £3m and buy Griffiths for £1m is possible but wages are the killer when buying million pound players

[ancient hibee]

Sell Nisbet for £3m and buy Griffiths for £1m is possible but wages are the killer when buying million pound players

My guess is that we will never pay large sums for players coming to the end of their careers.

[NorthRoadHibee]

Sell Nisbet for £3m and buy Griffiths for £1m is possible but wages are the killer when buying million pound players

No chance are Hibs paying 1 million for a 30 year old

[DH1875]

A better question would be whether Hibs would be willing to pay the development fees for upcoming players like Campbell of Motherwell.
Apparently whoever takes him in the summer will have to pay out somewhere in the region of £440k.
Biggest fly in the ointment with these guys is they typically want to play in England where £500k is loose change.


Could be wrong but IF he goes to England, I don't think they get anything for him.

[calumhibee1]

Could be wrong but IF he goes to England, I don't think they get anything for him.

I think that only works in reverse. English teams don’t get money from us but do from other English teams. Or at least they don’t get that much from us. Sure that’s how Celtic got Dembele.

[Ozyhibby]

Once we join the Atlantic league, £1m fees will be a regular occurrence. [emoji6]


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[CJHibby]

The general consensus seems to be NO. It's a pretty damning indictment that we could be the third force in Scotland as of end of season and can't pay 1m squid on a football player..:confused:

[Wilson]

The general consensus seems to be NO. It's a pretty damning indictment that we could be the third force in Scotland as of end of season and can't pay 1m squid on a football player..:confused:

I'm not sure what people's obsession with the figure is.

The only transfer to a non old firm club that cost one million was Paul Bernard to Aberdeen in the 90s. He is the prime example of lavish spending by Aberdeen with no great return. Other than being a statement signing I'm not sure what folk think splashing out a million on one player will really do for us.

To be honest I don't see the point. Fair enough spend a million if that's your level - if you're going to back it up with other million pound signings. Other than that I think 200 to 400k with the potential to improve is where we are at.

[eezyrider]

Yes we will. In 30-40 years, once inflation has taken the average salary to £100,000, it will be a regular occurrence.

EZ

[Billy Whizz]

Did Ron not say when he came in, he wanted to double the player budget?

[Wilson]

Did Ron not say when he came in, he wanted to double the player budget?

To me that would suggest more money spent across the squad and not on an exorbitant one off fee.

[Hibby Kay-Yay]

Get a free transfer player on £10k per week would cost you just over £1million over two years and you may get a transfer fee out of them. Maybe that approach is better?

[scoopyboy]

The general consensus seems to be NO. It's a pretty damning indictment that we could be the third force in Scotland as of end of season and can't pay 1m squid on a football player..:confused:

So you think that the team that finishes third should spend a million quid on a player?

Doesn't really happen eh.

[scoopyboy]

To me that would suggest more money spent across the squad and not on an exorbitant one off fee.

My take as well, nonsense to pay that and the corresponding wage as well.

A sure fire way how to create animosity in the changing room is pay one player a lot more than the rest.

Especially if he doesn't hit the ground running.

[CJHibby]

I am not saying SHOULD but would like to think will be able to up ahead soon. De la Cruz from Villa was a long time ago!

[scoopyboy]

I am not saying SHOULD but would like to think will be able to up ahead soon. De la Cruz from Villa was a long time ago!

I personally think we will spend more money on players wages and try to up the quality gradually rather than spend bundles on one player.

And just as a by the way we sold De La Cruz to Villa not bought him.

[calumhibee1]

To me that would suggest more money spent across the squad and not on an exorbitant one off fee.

I’d imagine it would be the case in all aspects no?

Top earner just now is on 4k, they’ll go up to 8k. Lowest earner is on £1k, they’ll be on 2k.

Average transfer fee now is 200k, it’ll go up to 400k to reflect the fact you’re signing 8k a week players. Obviously those figures are plucked out the air but if we’re going to double our player budget then the average wage will also go up unless we’re just getting a massive squad. If the average wage goes up then we’ll be looking at a higher calibre player rather than just paying the same players double.

[Wilson]

I’d imagine it would be the case in all aspects no?

Top earner just now is on 4k, they’ll go up to 8k. Lowest earner is on £1k, they’ll be on 2k.

Average transfer fee now is 200k, it’ll go up to 400k to reflect the fact you’re signing 8k a week players. Obviously those figures are plucked out the air but if we’re going to double our player budget then the average wage will also go up unless we’re just getting a massive squad. If the average wage goes up then we’ll be looking at a higher calibre player rather than just paying the same players double.

We could run a larger squad with better quality in depth. Spending on the squad goes up in wages and fees without necessarily spending a higher transfer amount on an individual player.

Id think that is more likely where the extra spend would come. If we're trying to navigate rounds in Europe, and maintaining our place at the top end of the league, then
squad rotation would be necessary. Ideally the quality would be there to come in.

I imagine with greater success and greater turnover wages and transfer fees will go up. It would be measured and incremental though and not headline grabbing figures.

[CJHibby]

I was mistakenly trying to say Ulisses de la Cruz was the last time we paid top dollar(700k) for a player..20 yrs ago!!

[scoopyboy]

I was mistakenly trying to say Ulisses de la Cruz was the last time we paid top dollar(700k) for a player..20 yrs ago!!

I couldn't honestly argue if this is right or wrong.

I've been told on two or three occasions that we paid nowhere near £750,000 for UDLC, it was more in the region of £400,000.

[ancient hibee]

The general consensus seems to be NO. It's a pretty damning indictment that we could be the third force in Scotland as of end of season and can't pay 1m squid on a football player..:confused:

Is anyone saying we can't because obviously we can if we choose to do so? Whether we should is a different question.

[Eyrie]

I'm not sure what people's obsession with the figure is.

The only transfer to a non old firm club that cost one million was Paul Bernard to Aberdeen in the 90s. He is the prime example of lavish spending by Aberdeen with no great return. Other than being a statement signing I'm not sure what folk think splashing out a million on one player will really do for us.

To be honest I don't see the point. Fair enough spend a million if that's your level - if you're going to back it up with other million pound signings. Other than that I think 200 to 400k with the potential to improve is where we are at.


My take as well, nonsense to pay that and the corresponding wage as well.

A sure fire way how to create animosity in the changing room is pay one player a lot more than the rest.

Especially if he doesn't hit the ground running.

You've both saved me typing a response.

[MWHIBBIES]

The general consensus seems to be NO. It's a pretty damning indictment that we could be the third force in Scotland as of end of season and can't pay 1m squid on a football player..:confused:

No it isn't. We cannot afford to pay that for a player. Aberdeen have been top 4 for 7 years now and haven't done it either.

[eezyrider]

I couldn't honestly argue if this is right or wrong.

I've been told on two or three occasions that we paid nowhere near £750,000 for UDLC, it was more in the region of £400,000.

Yep, the figure I was told when he was signed was £450,000.

EZ

[Peevemor]

I couldn't honestly argue if this is right or wrong.

I've been told on two or three occasions that we paid nowhere near £750,000 for UDLC, it was more in the region of £400,000.

I think the entire deal - transfer & agent's fee + wages for the duration of the contract totalled £700k+, thus à £720k deal became misquoted as a £720k transfer fee.

[Northernhibee]

I don't think we would. Almost all clubs in Scotland now have to buy on the cheap, sell for as much as possible with sell on fees and the difference between a £250k player like Nisbet and a £1m equivalent, talent wise isn't that much in this day and age, but the wage demands and potential profitability would be.

[jgl07]

Hibs seemed to be paying £400,000 to £500,000 in transfer fees before the Bosman ruling. Did Keith Wright not cost £500,000 from Dundee? Darren Jackson, Michael O'Neill, and Kevin McAllister also cost serious money. Even Paul Wright cost a fair sum (£250,000?).

Hibs also received decent transfer fees for Pat McGinlay whuch probably helped to finance the O'Neill and McAllister deals before signing him back for another substantial fee.

Uprating those fees for inflation from 27-28 years back, must put some of them over £1 million.

The world record transfer fee in 1992 was £12.5 million by Milan for Gianluigi Lentini. By 2017, PSG had paid £196 million for Neymar.

[Peevemor]

Hibs seemed to be paying £400,000 to £500,000 in transfer fees before the Bosman ruling. Did Keith Wright not cost £500,000 from Dundee? Darren Jackson, Michael O'Neill, and Kevin McAllister also cost serious money. Even Paul Wright cost a fair sum (£250,000?).

Hibs also received decent transfer fees for Pat McGinlay whuch probably helped to finance the O'Neill and McAllister deals before signing him back for another substantial fee.

Uprating those fees for inflation from 27-28 years back, must put some of them over £1 million.

The world record transfer fee in 1992 was £12.5 million by Milan for Gianluigi Lentini. By 2017, PSG had paid £196 million for Neymar.We also got £200k+ (IIRC) when we sold Brian Hamilton. It was rare at the time for players to move for nothing, with free transfers only being given to players arriving at the end of their career or those that were unbelievably crap. Even a mediocre squad player being moved on would generally bring in a fee (£30k-75k).