Lothian Buses

[BroxburnHibee]

How bad is this getting? All buses halted after half 7 tonight!!!

https://twitter.com/on_lothianbuses/status/1372144287488610304?s=20

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[hibeelady]

Absolutely shocking, no one should have to suffer this while trying to do their job. Well done Lothian buses for looking out for your staff and customers.

[Santa Cruz]

Absolutely shocking, no one should have to suffer this while trying to do their job. Well done Lothian buses for looking out for your staff and customers.

Totally agree. This is putting people who rely on the service for work in a vulnerable position though. It's dark at 7.30pm. They should have kept key worker routes operational imo.

[Keith_M]

Absolutely shocking, no one should have to suffer this while trying to do their job. Well done Lothian buses for looking out for your staff and customers.


:agree:

[Jay]

How are people going to get home after work? I used to work at the Royal Ed. Finished at 8.30 pm after a 12 hour shift. The bus stop was full of staff. Maybe I'm missing something

[BroxburnHibee]

How are people going to get home after work? I used to work at the Royal Ed. Finished at 8.30 pm after a 12 hour shift. The bus stop was full of staff. Maybe I'm missing something

I'm sure Lothian are well aware the impact this will have which makes me wonder if they're trying to make a point or is it really open warfare out there?

I've not been out in my cab since early October so no idea if its got rapidly worse!

[Alex Trager]

How bad is this getting? All buses halted after half 7 tonight!!!

https://twitter.com/on_lothianbuses/status/1372144287488610304?s=20

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What is this in aid of?

[danhibees1875]

What is this in aid of?

"Escalating incidents of antisocial behaviour"

They stopped buses to somewhere for a couple of evenings the other week because of an incident(s). I presume either they've had more incidents in other areas or they felt a police/council/government response wasn't forthcoming and so have upped their pressure.

Hopefully it's all sorted asap - both for the safety of their drivers and for people looking to get around in the evening for whatever reason but especially essential work.

[calumhibee1]

"Escalating incidents of antisocial behaviour"

They stopped buses to somewhere for a couple of evenings the other week because of an incident(s). I presume either they've had more incidents in other areas or they felt a police/council/government response wasn't forthcoming and so have upped their pressure.

Hopefully it's all sorted asap - both for the safety of their drivers and for people looking to get around in the evening for whatever reason but especially essential work.

I’m sure it said numerous buses that were headed for the Royal were attacked last night. I want to say 7 of them but can’t remember for sure.

[Smartie]

I'm sure Lothian are well aware the impact this will have which makes me wonder if they're trying to make a point or is it really open warfare out there?

I've not been out in my cab since early October so no idea if its got rapidly worse!

Might be a decent night to get back out.

[Alex Trager]

"Escalating incidents of antisocial behaviour"

They stopped buses to somewhere for a couple of evenings the other week because of an incident(s). I presume either they've had more incidents in other areas or they felt a police/council/government response wasn't forthcoming and so have upped their pressure.

Hopefully it's all sorted asap - both for the safety of their drivers and for people looking to get around in the evening for whatever reason but especially essential work.

Any specifics?

[Mon Dieu4]

Any specifics?

Folk launching bricks through bus windows

[BroxburnHibee]

Might be a decent night to get back out.

No wanting them bricking me instead :greengrin

[Peevemor]

They're obviously doing this as a reminder that they're not solely responsible for the safety of their passengers, drivers & equipment. A pissed-off public will provide more of a deterrent to vandals than the police.

[danhibees1875]

I’m sure it said numerous buses that were headed for the Royal were attacked last night. I want to say 7 of them but can’t remember for sure.

Think I've just read a BBC article where you might have got that from.

8 buses. Gilmerton road and old dalkeith road (so possible on their way to the ERI). These were this week following a series attack in clermiston earlier in the month.

[Santa Cruz]

Think I've just read a BBC article where you might have got that from.

8 buses. Gilmerton road and old dalkeith road (so possible on their way to the ERI). These were this week following a series attack in clermiston earlier in the month.

A driver in Clermiston last week had his window smashed, he needed urgent treatment at the eye pavillion and it has understandably impacted on his mental health. A sizeable number of youths have been arrested.

[JimBHibees]

Absolutely moronic behaviour

[Alex Trager]

Why is there an outpouring of brick throwing all of a sudden? Thought they’re back at school!

[overdrive]

Why is there an outpouring of brick throwing all of a sudden? Thought they’re back at school!

Not from what my colleagues who have kids are saying. Some kids are only back for 2 hours a week. I think these incidents are happening in the evenings anyway.

[Alex Trager]

Not from what my colleagues who have kids are saying. Some kids are only back for 2 hours a week. I think these incidents are happening in the evenings anyway.

Yeah my comment was tongue in cheek.

Still though, why is this suddenly a thing

[silverhibee]

A driver in Clermiston last week had his window smashed, he needed urgent treatment at the eye pavillion and it has understandably impacted on his mental health. A sizeable number of youths have been arrested.

Was the same on Pennywell Road, the buses stopped going down the road and then a 7.30 curfew for the last bus down, they were having bricks put through the windows after the road being blocked by debris.

This seems to be happening all over Edinburgh at the moment.

More worried about more serious stuff happening in the Capital at the moment which the media are not reporting it for some reason.

[Moulin Yarns]

Maybe get plain clothes police officers to pose as passengers 🤔

[Santa Cruz]

Was the same on Pennywell Road, the buses stopped going down the road and then a 7.30 curfew for the last bus down, they were having bricks put through the windows after the road being blocked by debris.

This seems to be happening all over Edinburgh at the moment.

More worried about more serious stuff happening in the Capital at the moment which the media are not reporting it for some reason.

I hadn't heard about the Pennywell incidents. Did read about the Clermiston incident on the BBC website yesterday. This is the latest. What other more worrying stuff is happening in the Capital at the moment, other than covid, is there more crime spates than usual?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-edinburgh-east-fife-56430274

[Oscar T Grouch]

I had my head against a window when it got put in travelling through Niddrie (they literally threw a half Niddrie through the window!!), luckily it hit the back of the window and I got away with a few cuts from the glass. Used to be a big problem for buses going through certain schemes in Edinburgh. With all these attacks suddenly arising again, it would not surprise me if it was some sort of 'dare' kids are playing, if I were polis I would be looking online for video clips of it happening, very rare for anything to happen without video of it appearing somewhere. Maybe that is why the arrests have have happened?

[Keith_M]

Apparently there's been 18 arrests so far, so it must have been quite widespread.

[JimBHibees]

Was the same on Pennywell Road, the buses stopped going down the road and then a 7.30 curfew for the last bus down, they were having bricks put through the windows after the road being blocked by debris.

This seems to be happening all over Edinburgh at the moment.

More worried about more serious stuff happening in the Capital at the moment which the media are not reporting it for some reason.

Such as?

[silverhibee]

Such as?

Incidents that have happened since last week in the Drylaw Royston & Lochend areas, some have been reported on but it's not like the media to have things splashed over the front page when bad things are going on.

[JimBHibees]

Incidents that have happened since last week in the Drylaw Royston & Lochend areas, some have been reported on but it's not like the media to have things splashed over the front page when bad things are going on.

Ok cheers

[G B Young]

I hadn't heard about the Pennywell incidents. Did read about the Clermiston incident on the BBC website yesterday. This is the latest. What other more worrying stuff is happening in the Capital at the moment, other than covid, is there more crime spates than usual?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-edinburgh-east-fife-56430274

As a regular bus user pre-lockdown I have every sympathy with the drivers and fully support this move despite the inconvenience it will doubtless cause. Somebody else has mentioned being on a bus when a window gets smashed and having twice experienced it myself there's no question it's a frightening experience. As one of the drivers says in that piece, imagine a parent and child sitting in the buggy space when a rock comes through the window next to them. Mindless stuff.

Some drivers are pretty thick-skinned and tough enough to take on troublemakers (I remember being on the top deck of a bus and being able to see the top deck of the bus in front getting vandalised by a big bunch of teenagers. Our driver must have been in contact with the other one as both buses came to a halt and the drivers teamed up to eject the gang) which is impressive but should not be an expected part of their role.

[Smartie]

This is actually the ****miest thing I've heard of in a while and the sorts of damage this could inflict on innocent people such as bus drivers and passengers really is horrific.

I use the bus service in Edinburgh a lot - and I love it. It's a great service which we're lucky to have.

The police have a serious problem getting to grips with the wee erses who exist in certain parts of this city and appear to be able to give them the runaround.

[Since90+2]

They need to catch some of the wee ********s doing it and hand out quick and severe sentences. If they just give out a slap on the wrist this will snowball and get worse.

Full detention in a youth offenders institution for a good length of time for anyone caught doing it.

[Since90+2]

Incidents that have happened since last week in the Drylaw Royston & Lochend areas, some have been reported on but it's not like the media to have things splashed over the front page when bad things are going on.

I've probably missed this being reported but what sort of crimes have been happening?

[Ozyhibby]

I've probably missed this being reported but what sort of crimes have been happening?

https://theedinburghreporter.co.uk/2021/03/black-seat-arona-found-burnt-out-on-hawthorn-vale-cycle-path-after-drylaw-assault/?amp&__twitter_impression=true


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[calumhibee1]

This is actually the ****miest thing I've heard of in a while and the sorts of damage this could inflict on innocent people such as bus drivers and passengers really is horrific.

I use the bus service in Edinburgh a lot - and I love it. It's a great service which we're lucky to have.

The police have a serious problem getting to grips with the wee erses who exist in certain parts of this city and appear to be able to give them the runaround.

:agree:

Wee fannies get away with murder. The years of them stealing cars and motorbikes and suddenly being untouchable when they start driving them are beyond a joke.

[silverhibee]

I've probably missed this being reported but what sort of crimes have been happening?

https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/news/scottish-news/6816552/edinburgh-drug-gang-revenge-attack-drylaw/

[heretoday]

They need to catch some of the wee ********s doing it and hand out quick and severe sentences. If they just give out a slap on the wrist this will snowball and get worse.

Full detention in a youth offenders institution for a good length of time for anyone caught doing it.

Do they ever catch anyone though?

[Pete]

They're obviously doing this as a reminder that they're not solely responsible for the safety of their passengers, drivers & equipment. A pissed-off public will provide more of a deterrent to vandals than the police.

In my opinion, the reason why they are doing things like this is because there is no pissed off public to stop them. There isnt anyone because a lot of the adult population are at home complying with the lockdown.
I've only really noticed it deteriorating since the second lockdown started, and it's almost as if a lack of a visible authority figure has led to a feeling of lawlessness. Its happening everywhere...busses and bus shelters getting tanned by hoards of tanked up youths who have nobody to answer to.
The trouble is that a lot of them know that they are untouchable anyway and this pandemic has merely confirmed it. If anyone asks them to wear a mask, they can tell them to bolt, and they'll simply be allowed to carry on as they were.
In a way I don't blame the kids, I blame the lack of enforcement of rules since the beginning of this business. Liberal attitudes are fine when things are going well but in times of crisis we need a bit of authority. Instead, we've went with suggestions, guidelines, and hoping those who are at an age where they push boundaries will show some personal responsibility. Yeah right.

Good on Lothian though.

[Since90+2]

Do they ever catch anyone though?

They caught 18 of them the other day and charged them with it.

[Billy Whizz]

https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/news/scottish-news/6816552/edinburgh-drug-gang-revenge-attack-drylaw/

How is this related to the Bus crimes silver?

Absolutely brutal having this on the streets of Edinburgh

[heretoday]

They caught 18 of them the other day and charged them with it.

That's good. I hope they make an example of them

Jesus, I've become my father.............

[Jack]

The message below is from the Lothian Busses Facebook page. I'd say that's a fairly heavy hint that there might not be any busses tonight.

If you need to make an essential journey tonight, please check our service alert page before setting off ➡️ https://bit.ly/30Uyx8G

#HelpUsToHelpYou #WeAreLothian #Lothian #EdinTravel

[alhibby]

The message below is from the Lothian Busses Facebook page. I'd say that's a fairly heavy hint that there might not be any busses tonight.

If you need to make an essential journey tonight, please check our service alert page before setting off ➡️ https://bit.ly/30Uyx8G

#HelpUsToHelpYou #WeAreLothian #Lothian #EdinTravel

That message is from yesterday, not repeated today ?( so far)

[Crunchie]

They caught 18 of them the other day and charged them with it.
When things open back up they'll all be treated to ipads and jollies abroad by our wonderful system.

[Future17]

When things open back up they'll all be treated to ipads and jollies abroad by our wonderful system.

If only they'd had those iPads 12 months ago...

[Crunchie]

If only they'd had those iPads 12 months ago...
I've no doubt they did, and a 52" tv in their bedroom.

[Future17]

I've no doubt they did, and a 52" tv in their bedroom.

They won't need treated to them if they already have them then.

[Crunchie]

They won't need treated to them if they already have them then.
You don't know the system very well :cb

[Future17]

You don't know the system very well :cb

It sounds like I know it better than you, but happy to hear specifics of your experience?

[superfurryhibby]

In my opinion, the reason why they are doing things like this is because there is no pissed off public to stop them. There isnt anyone because a lot of the adult population are at home complying with the lockdown.
I've only really noticed it deteriorating since the second lockdown started, and it's almost as if a lack of a visible authority figure has led to a feeling of lawlessness. Its happening everywhere...busses and bus shelters getting tanned by hoards of tanked up youths who have nobody to answer to.
The trouble is that a lot of them know that they are untouchable anyway and this pandemic has merely confirmed it. If anyone asks them to wear a mask, they can tell them to bolt, and they'll simply be allowed to carry on as they were.
In a way I don't blame the kids, I blame the lack of enforcement of rules since the beginning of this business. Liberal attitudes are fine when things are going well but in times of crisis we need a bit of authority. Instead, we've went with suggestions, guidelines, and hoping those who are at an age where they push boundaries will show some personal responsibility. Yeah right.

Good on Lothian though.

Maybe we could ask the Police to step outside of their cars every now and then? Actually walk around our neighbourhoods on the beat?

[Killiehibbie]

Maybe we could ask the Police to step outside of their cars every now and then? Actually walk around our neighbourhoods on the beat?

I've been hearing that all my life. The police are even more remote than they were in my youth.

[Ozyhibby]

Apart from all the murders and the much higher crime rates it was much better back in the day when the police walked the beat.[emoji23]


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[Killiehibbie]

Apart from all the murders and the much higher crime rates it was much better back in the day when the police walked the beat.[emoji23]


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Was there more murders in the old days?
I remember reading a while back that homicide rate was about double in the 1990's than 60's.

[superfurryhibby]

Apart from all the murders and the much higher crime rates it was much better back in the day when the police walked the beat.[emoji23]


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So, do you think driving around in cars, only stopping for a scran at Greggs is the policing answer to juvenile delinquency and the trend for throwing rocks through bus windows? :thumbsup:

[Ozyhibby]

So, do you think driving around in cars, only stopping for a scran at Greggs is the policing answer to juvenile delinquency and the trend for throwing rocks through bus windows? :thumbsup:

Do you think that that’s all the police do? If so, then they must have got lucky in Gregg’s if they have made that many arrests there?


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[superfurryhibby]

Do you think that that’s all the police do? If so, then they must have got lucky in Gregg’s if they have made that many arrests there?


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They do other things, I know that.

What would suggest the police response should be with regard to the trend for putting bricks through bus windows?

[Killiehibbie]

Do you think that that’s all the police do? If so, then they must have got lucky in Gregg’s if they have made that many arrests there?


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What happened to crime prevention? Looking at cctv then arresting them long after the incident would not make me feel safer on a bus.

[Stairway 2 7]

Was there more murders in the old days?
I remember reading a while back that homicide rate was about double in the 1990's than 60's.

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Mid 90s was nuts 60s too , burglaries match that graph . Although murder per capita has steadily declined non stop until present day, probably harder to get away with it. Untold fact about the blitz, sexual assault and rape has never been higher in London in that period, burglary rampant too. Opportunistic and no what you think off when saying spirit of the blitz

[easty]

What happened to crime prevention? Looking at cctv then arresting them long after the incident would not make me feel safer on a bus.

The police can’t be everywhere at once. If a group of bairns want to chuck something at a bus/tram then they’ll do it when the police aren’t there.

Having a police officer walking round an estate won’t stop it happening. I was a bit of a **** growing up in Broomhouse, there was sometimes police walking around the area. It wasn’t a deterrent though, it would only become an issue if they were there when you were actually acting up. Then you’d run.

I’m not sure what the answer is to stop this. Sometimes kids are dicks. If they’ve got better things to do, I suppose it’d be less likely though.

[Killiehibbie]

The police can’t be everywhere at once. If a group of bairns want to chuck something at a bus/tram then they’ll do it when the police aren’t there.

Having a police officer walking round an estate won’t stop it happening. I was a bit of a **** growing up in Broomhouse, there was sometimes police walking around the area. It wasn’t a deterrent though, it would only become an issue if they were there when you were actually acting up. Then you’d run.

I’m not sure what the answer is to stop this. Sometimes kids are dicks. If they’ve got better things to do, I suppose it’d be less likely though.

They know the areas to target but even if they saw them throwing bricks wouldn't be able to catch them.
Used to like a chase in my early teens and never got caught by them.

[Future17]

What happened to crime prevention? Looking at cctv then arresting them long after the incident would not make me feel safer on a bus.

What did you have in mind?

[Killiehibbie]

What did you have in mind?

A visual deterrent rather than catching them after the event

[Ozyhibby]

A visual deterrent rather than catching them after the event

Like the sound of that.


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[BS44]

Lothian Buses and Lothian Country moving to a Saturday service from 6th Jan to 22nd Jan, due to staff shortage caused mainly by covid.

Doesn't affect East Coast at the moment

[heretoday]

I've been hearing that all my life. The police are even more remote than they were in my youth.

Totally.