Beneliga - Merger of Belgian and Dutch top league

[04Sauzee]

Big moment in Belgian football, as 25 professional clubs vote in favour of establishing Beneliga = a merger with Dutch Eredivisie. @ProLeagueBE to play 'active role' in the project. Domestic TV deals end in 2025 in both 🇧🇪 and 🇳🇱

Still along way to go but it's the start

[Cat Stanton]

Big moment in Belgian football, as 25 professional clubs vote in favour of establishing Beneliga = a merger with Dutch Eredivisie. @ProLeagueBE to play 'active role' in the project. Domestic TV deals end in 2025 in both 🇧🇪 and 🇳🇱

Still along way to go but it's the start

Cue another three months of the Scottish media slavering about Septic 'n' Sevco moving to England...

[Eyrie]

Cue another three months of the Scottish media slavering about Septic 'n' Sevco moving to England...

The problem being that England doesn't want them any more than we do.

[easty]

No doubt folk will jump on this as proof that an Atlantic League will happen too.

As if us joining up with Sweden is comparable.

[calumhibee1]

Be a good move for their leagues imo :agree:

[Since90+2]

It makes sense for both leagues and will create a pretty strong league I'd imagine.

You have 2 countries that share a border and close historical ties aswell as having a comparable standard of football.

Unfortunately for us in Scotland we don't have that same scenario.

[Jonnyboy]

Cue another three months of the Scottish media slavering about Septic 'n' Sevco moving to England...

Surely the Rangers would want to join the Dutch league given their love of everything orange

[Callyballybe]

A potentially seismic set of events, which could lead to others doing something similar if it turns out to be successful.

However, as someone who has little knowledge of the Belgian and Dutch leagues, what are the benefits here for the 25 clubs that voted in favour of it? I can see why giants like Ajax and Anderlecht would be keen for it, but assuming a top league size of 20-25 (at most) that's quite a few teams who are in the top division of their own respective countries now, who will not be in the new top league when it's created. Potentially leading to a decrease in interest amongst their fan bases - Seen a similar argument on here regarding Hibs/Aberdeen joining the leagues down south, with many claiming (probably quite rightly) that if we were languishing in the Championship this could have a detrimental affect on our attendances.

Is the assumption here that even outwith the top league, TV money will still be increased?

[Jones28]

The problem being that England doesn't want them any more than we do.

Why don't they **** off to Ireland then?

[Eyrie]

Why don't they **** off to Ireland then?

Because Ireland doesn't want them any more than we or England do.

[judas]

2 countries can merge their leagues but Dundee and Dundee Utd can’t share a stadium despite the massive financial benefits 😂 morons.

[Eyrie]

2 countries can merge their leagues but Dundee and Dundee Utd can’t share a stadium despite the massive financial benefits �� morons.

There may be massive financial benefits but would you want to share a stadium with Hearts?

Mind you, we could make the Ugly Sisters share a stadium. As long as all the doors lock on the outside, that is.

And we lose the key.

[jgl07]

2 countries can merge their leagues but Dundee and Dundee Utd can’t share a stadium despite the massive financial benefits 😂 morons.

Would you suggest that Hibs and Hearts share a stadium?

[EI255]

The problem being that England doesn't want them any more than we do.England don't want ANY Scottish club. Full stop.

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[erin go bragh]

It makes sense for both leagues and will create a pretty strong league I'd imagine.

You have 2 countries that share a border and close historical ties aswell as having a comparable standard of football.

Unfortunately for us in Scotland we don't have that same scenario.
I’d say the Dutch league is of a much better standard than the Belgium one.

[dastardly8]

Great for all the Dutch and Belgian hooligans two of the worst countries for fighting at the football , I’m sure all the locals in each country will love that idea !!!!

[Viva_Palmeiras]

England don't want ANY Scottish club. Full stop.

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Hmmm but who Are the kingmakers here - esp in times of COVID with clubs coinging on for survival what better an opportunity to shake things upNd save football? SKY)

[Chorley Hibee]

With the news of this, and the potential introduction of Old Firm colt sides here, I'm on the verge of calling it a day with football.

The thin end of some very big wedges concerning the future of our game. All about keeping the big boys happy at the expense of others.

[easty]

With the news of this, and the potential introduction of Old Firm colt sides here, I'm on the verge of calling it a day with football.

The thin end of some very big wedges concerning the future of our game. All about keeping the big boys happy at the expense of others.

How much can you even like football to begin with, if a combined Dutch Belgian league, and chat about potentially having Old Firm B teams, can be enough for you to verge on calling it a day?

[O'Rourke3]

How much can you even like football to begin with, if a combined Dutch Belgian league, and chat about potentially having Old Firm B teams, can be enough for you to verge on calling it a day?You can love the sport and be fed up/concerned where its headed. TV creating super leagues for world viewing figures doesn't bode well for grass roots sports.

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[Since90+2]

I’d say the Dutch league is of a much better standard than the Belgium one.

Dutch league currently 7th in Uefa rankings and Belgian is 9th.

[bingo70]

With the news of this, and the potential introduction of Old Firm colt sides here, I'm on the verge of calling it a day with football.

The thin end of some very big wedges concerning the future of our game. All about keeping the big boys happy at the expense of others.

Going off on a bit of a tangent here but that’s how I feel about VAR.

I’m sure I won’t, in fact I’m certain I won’t, but I can see the attraction of going supporting a junior football when VAR finally comes to Scottish football.

[Chorley Hibee]

How much can you even like football to begin with, if a combined Dutch Belgian league, and chat about potentially having Old Firm B teams, can be enough for you to verge on calling it a day?

32 years of following Hibs home and away, on an almost weekly basis, and even longer following my hometown side Chorley, suggests I "like football".

I don't "like" what is has become, and I'm even more concerned about what it will become.

As I said, the thin end of some particularly worrying/damaging wedges for the vast majority of teams, the integrity of the sport, and the rich and varied history/tapestry of the game.

[easty]

32 years of following Hibs home and away, on an almost weekly basis, and even longer following my hometown side Chorley, suggests I "like football".

I don't "like" what is has become, and I'm even more concerned about what it will become.

As I said, the thin end of some particularly worrying/damaging wedges for the vast majority of teams, the integrity of the sport, and the rich and varied history/tapestry of the game.

But you’re on the verge on giving up on Hibs and Chorley because Ajax and Anderlecht will be in the same league (who in the UK even pays much attention to the leagues in Holland and Belgium just now?), and because there’s chat about Rangers and Celtc B teams (which there has been chat of for years).

If you’re just doing the internet thing, and being a tad dramatic, then fair enough. If you’re genuinely saying you’re on the verge of giving up on football cos of it, then I find it really odd.

[easty]

You can love the sport and be fed up/concerned where its headed. TV creating super leagues for world viewing figures doesn't bode well for grass roots sports.

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What does it do to grass roots sports? I genuinely don’t have any idea.

Why would a “euro super league” affect the lower levels of football in Scotland?

[Chorley Hibee]

But you’re on the verge on giving up on Hibs and Chorley because Ajax and Anderlecht will be in the same league (who in the UK even pays much attention to the leagues in Holland and Belgium just now?), and because there’s chat about Rangers and Celtc B teams (which there has been chat of for years).

If you’re just doing the internet thing, and being a tad dramatic, then fair enough. If you’re genuinely saying you’re on the verge of giving up on football cos of it, then I find it really odd.

Do you honestly believe that Old Firm colt teams and Ajax and Anderlecht playing in the same league is the end of it, or just the beginning of a slippery slope towards the demise of the game as we've known it?

I've been increasingly disillusioned with the game in the upper echelons (around Europe) for the past decade, and everyone will have their own breaking point on the matter.

In the not to recent past we've heard discussions surrounding:

Closed leagues (no relegation for certain teams)

Automatic qualification for Champions League for 'big' names.

Atlantic Leagues.

Games played abroad.

These moves won't be the end, they're only the opening salvo on what the big teams really want.

These moves will not be for the benefit of Hibernian FC either.

[easty]

Do you honestly believe that Old Firm colt teams and Ajax and Anderlecht playing in the same league is the end of it, or just the beginning of a slippery slope towards the demise of the game as we've known it?

I've been increasingly disillusioned with the game in the upper echelons (around Europe) for the past decade, and everyone will have their own breaking point on the matter.

In the not to recent past we've heard discussions surrounding:

Closed leagues (no relegation for certain teams)

Automatic qualification for Champions League for 'big' names.

Atlantic Leagues.

Games played abroad.

These moves won't be the end, they're only the opening salvo on what the big teams really want.

These moves will not be for the benefit of Hibernian FC either.

I moaned about football 20 years ago, I moan about it now, and even if all the above happens I’ll still be going to watch Hibs and I’ll still be moaning about football.

[Chorley Hibee]

I moaned about football 20 years ago, I moan about it now, and even if all the above happens I’ll still be going to watch Hibs and I’ll still be moaning about football.

Well I admire your stance (a not to dissimilar one to my own for many years) but there comes a time (IMHO) that it's no longer the game I fell in love with.

[easty]

Well I admire your stance (a not to dissimilar one to my own for many years) but there comes a time (IMHO) that it's no longer the game I fell in love with.

Fair enough :aok:

[O'Rourke3]

What does it do to grass roots sports? I genuinely don’t have any idea.

Why would a “euro super league” affect the lower levels of football in Scotland?Thin end of the wedge. The point of playing football for the fun gets lost in the need to "make it". I played because I enjoyed it. Now clubs hoover the young talent in a bid to find the odd diamond to make money. Good "in my day" boys clubs are now scouting /recruiting for senior clubs. The trickle down funding keeps them going and so becomes their reason for being, which is far away from where they started. The Champions league is almost a closed shop so the European League, Conference becomes the thing to be in. B teams in lower leagues etc. I'm sorry if you can't see that but Globalisation is sucking the life and joy out of elite sports. The more elite and bigger the audience, the less sports will be available on the TV or to join.

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[DH1875]

25 out of how many clubs and......what have the Dutch clubs had to say about it. Have they voted on it yet?

[Renfrew_Hibby]

Ajax
Anderlecht
Antwerp
AZ Alkmaar
Beerschot
Club Bruges
Den Haag
FC Twente
Feyenoord
Genk
Gent
Groningen
Heerenveen
PSV Eindhoven
Standard Liege
Utrecht
Vitesse
Willem II

Looks like a decent line up to me.

[CropleyWasGod]

How would Euro places be worked out?

And do UEFA and FIFA not have a say?

[nonshinyfinish]

How would Euro places be worked out?

Belgian and Dutch league coefficients are expelegated and the new league starts from zero. The Dreaded Coefficient Thread explodes in 2016-level scenes of revelry.

[Juniper Greens]

Belgian and Dutch league coefficients are expelegated and the new league starts from zero. The Dreaded Coefficient Thread explodes in 2016-level scenes of revelry.

That would be a thriller. Ajax v Lincoln Red Imps in a CL qualifier, probably in early June or something!

[jgl07]

How much can you even like football to begin with, if a combined Dutch Belgian league, and chat about potentially having Old Firm B teams, can be enough for you to verge on calling it a day?
The Dutch-Belgian League is a great idea.

It would give the League a good potential fanbase with a combined population of not far short of 30 million. It might open the way for teams like Ajax to become relevant again at European level.

Dutch and Belgian teams have reached European finals and won trophies in the past. This might just bring them closer to doing so at least in the Europa or the Conference.

On the the other hand the the BBB (Bigot Brothers B-team) idea is barking mad!

[ABZHFC]

The Dutch-Belgian League is a great idea.

It would give the League a good potential fanbase with a combined population of not far short of 30 million. It might open the way for teams like Ajax to become relevant again at European level.

Dutch and Belgian teams have reached European finals and won trophies in the past. This might just bring them closer to doing so at least in the Europa or the Conference.

On the the other hand the the BBB (Bigot Brothers B-team) idea is barking mad!


But isn't the real reason for this because football was fairer back then, and clubs could rise to the top without needing to break the bank (i.e. a 'golden generation' of youth players could propel a team from obscurity to playing with the big boys in no time)?

I see your point, but isn't the real challenge stopping the biggest clubs from the biggest leagues continuing with this horrible cartel system they operate that allows them to dominate in an unprecedented fashion and then have the cheek to complain about a lack of domestic competition? Otherwise we will just keep doing things to appease them and try to keep up, only to find ourselves falling further and further behind, having lost our entire footballing heritage in the process

[A Hi-Bee]

That would be a thriller. Ajax v Lincoln Red Imps in a CL qualifier, probably in early June or something!

It would be if you were a Red Imps supporter
:agree:
It is the way forward at least for these two forward looking countries.

[Crazyhorse]

Ajax
Anderlecht
Antwerp
AZ Alkmaar
Beerschot
Club Bruges
Den Haag
FC Twente
Feyenoord
Genk
Gent
Groningen
Heerenveen
PSV Eindhoven
Standard Liege
Utrecht
Vitesse
Willem II

Looks like a decent line up to me.

No KV Mechelen?

[Renfrew_Hibby]

No KV Mechelen?

I based it on an 18 team league and Mechlen was considered but felt the 18 chosen both represented the two countries proportionately and excluded the really smaller clubs.
If we go for a 20 side set up then I would include Mechelen and Fortuna Sittard.

[delbert]

Cue another three months of the Scottish media slavering about Septic 'n' Sevco moving to England...

So if that’s the Beneliga, if Sweden and Denmark did the same thing, would that be the Bjorneliga ?

[CropleyWasGod]

So if that’s the Beneliga, if Sweden and Denmark did the same thing, would that be the Bjorneliga ?

That's an abbaration.:rolleyes:

[Glory Lurker]

So if that’s the Beneliga, if Sweden and Denmark did the same thing, would that be the Bjorneliga ?

That is awfy guid!

[jgl07]

How would Euro places be worked out?

And do UEFA and FIFA not have a say?
They would get the places their coefficient merited. Initially it would be the number for Holland plus the number for Belgium.

[Hibernia&Alba]

Are UEFA going to let this merger happen? It opens a can of worms in relation to national leagues, which are the basis of competition.

[Hibernia&Alba]

That's an abbaration.:rolleyes:

:greengrin

:top marks

[Is It On....]

So if that’s the Beneliga, if Sweden and Denmark did the same thing, would that be the Bjorneliga ?

Translation would be Bear League..so maybe Sevco 2012 would apply to join...

[Ozyhibby]

Given the amount of union saving that’s going on just now, I wonder if there is any political pressure starting to be applied in order to set up a UK league?


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[Ozyhibby]

https://theathletic.com/2470991/?amp#click=https://t.co/DM0Dyv92pQ


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[jgl07]

https://theathletic.com/2470991/?amp#click=https://t.co/DM0Dyv92pQ
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I couldn't read the article but the opening paragraph contained a major error.

Talking about USA and Mexico being a potential for the first cross border league.

Has the clown ever heard of the 'A' League which includes Australia and New Zealand?

Not to mention the Major League Soccer which includes USA and Canada.

If you were really digging deep you could add the French League including France and Monaco. You could add the Swiss League including Switzerland and Lichtenstein.

That's before we start mentioning Berwick Rangers playing in the Scottish Lowland League and Cardiff, Swansea, and Newport in the English Football League. There is also Derry who play in the League of Ireland and TNS who play in the Welsh League although based in Oswestry in Shropshire.

[Diclonius]

I won't watch any tournament or league with no relegation or automatic qualification.