Rowan Vine on Under the Cosh

[Tom Hart RIP]

Rowan Vine is on the Under The Cosh podcast.
Not listened yet but the UTC guys are always well worth a listen.

[Carheenlea]

I’ll wait till the next episode to give it a listen.

[CockneyRebel]

Rowan Vine is on the Under The Cosh podcast.
Not listened yet but the UTC guys are always well worth a listen.


IMO he should have been put under the cosh when he played(sic) for us.

[Jones28]

IMO he should have been put under the cosh when he played(sic) for us.

He should never have had the chance.

His record other than a spell at Luton is ****ing dreadful.

[Oscar T Grouch]

Is Rowan Vine's picture under the definition of Journeyman footballer? How many clubs has he been at?

2000–2005 Portsmouth
2002–2003 → Brentford (loan)
2003–2004 → Colchester United (loan)
2004–2005 → Luton Town (loan)
2005–2007 Luton Town
2007–2008 Birmingham City
2007–2008 → Queens Park Rangers (loan)
2008–2012 Queens Park Rangers
2010 → Hull City (loan)
2010 → Brentford (loan)
2011 → Milton Keynes Dons (loan)
2011 → Exeter City (loan)
2012 → Gillingham (loan)
2012–2013 St Johnstone
2013–2014 Hibernian
2014 Greenock Morton
2015 Welling United
2015 Havant & Waterlooville
2015 Gosport Borough
2015–2016 Basingstoke Town
2017 Gosport Borough
2017 Southall
2017 Hayes & Yeading United
2017–2018 Hartley Wintney
2018 Gosport Borough
2018 Alresford Town
2018 Hartley Wintney
2018–2019 Southall
2019 Moneyfields
2019 Tadley Calleva
2020– Hemel Hempstead Town :greengrin

[Jones28]

Is Rowan Vine's picture under the definition of Journeyman footballer? How many clubs has he been at?

2000–2005 Portsmouth
2002–2003 → Brentford (loan)
2003–2004 → Colchester United (loan)
2004–2005 → Luton Town (loan)
2005–2007 Luton Town
2007–2008 Birmingham City
2007–2008 → Queens Park Rangers (loan)
2008–2012 Queens Park Rangers
2010 → Hull City (loan)
2010 → Brentford (loan)
2011 → Milton Keynes Dons (loan)
2011 → Exeter City (loan)
2012 → Gillingham (loan)
2012–2013 St Johnstone
2013–2014 Hibernian
2014 Greenock Morton
2015 Welling United
2015 Havant & Waterlooville
2015 Gosport Borough
2015–2016 Basingstoke Town
2017 Gosport Borough
2017 Southall
2017 Hayes & Yeading United
2017–2018 Hartley Wintney
2018 Gosport Borough
2018 Alresford Town
2018 Hartley Wintney
2018–2019 Southall
2019 Moneyfields
2019 Tadley Calleva
2020– Hemel Hempstead Town :greengrin

27 clubs over a 20 year career. Unreal.

Gosport Borough and Hartley Wintney signed him twice FFS?!

[Sean1875]

Bring him home

[Gaffer1875]

There’s been a few but Vine is by far the worst striker I’ve ever seen playing for us, ever!


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[CockneyRebel]

27 clubs over a 20 year career. Unreal.

Gosport Borough and Hartley Wintney signed him twice FFS?!


Luton and QPR signed him after a loan!!!!!!

[GreenCastle]

There’s been a few but Vine is by far the worst striker I’ve ever seen playing for us, ever!


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Worst player I’ve seen attempt to play for us.

[SHODAN]

Has he scored a goal yet?

[lord bunberry]

There’s been a few but Vine is by far the worst striker I’ve ever seen playing for us, ever!


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Kuqi was worse.

[BroxburnHibee]

Kuqi was worse.

Hurtado?

[SChibs]

To be fair he wasn't awful for St Johnstone and ended up their top scorer the year before he signed for us. Crap for us however I see why we signed him

[Gaffer1875]

Kuqi was worse.

Not for me! Both rotten, I’ll give you that


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[AltheHibby]

Moneyfields!

That was one of the worst away grounds to go to in the Wessex League (4 divisions down from the Conference). I remember it most for an 80+ year old supporter trying to pick a fight with 8 of us Andover Town supporters after we laughed when a linesman owned him.

[GreenCastle]

Hurtado?

74 games for Ecuador and 26 goals for his country.

Nowhere near Vine levels.

He even scored for Hibs in 12 games.

Kuqi - 60+ games and 8 goals for Finland.

Vine was awful - let’s just admit it - look at his career.

[Northernhibee]

To be fair he wasn't awful for St Johnstone and ended up their top scorer the year before he signed for us. Crap for us however I see why we signed him

Yeah, I was quite happy when we signed him. On paper it was a good one.

[CockneyRebel]

74 games for Ecuador and 26 goals for his country.

Nowhere near Vine levels.

He even scored for Hibs in 12 games.

Kuqi - 60+ games and 8 goals for Finland.

Vine was awful - let’s just admit it - look at his career.



Kuqi was done two seasons before he came to ER. He had spent a season at my home town club, Crystal Place, and his performances and attitude stunk. I remember posting on here, when we were chasing his signature, giving all the info I had gotten from my Eagle pals but I got told to give him a chance. He had been a decent enough player but the appetite for the game had gone along with his legs.

[basehibby]

Once bumped into Vine and had a chat over a bottle of beer.

Nice bloke but was absolutely f-in hopeless for us on the pitch. No-where near the worst ever for us though - Shefi Kuqui easily beats him to that dishonour in the forward positions, whereas from the same team, Michael Nelson was quite probably the most useless huddy I've ever seen slice a ball into touch for us.

[Hibee Ryan]

Here's a slightly more positive Hibs relevant podcast: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pB0hehVuhBA&t=190s

Interview with Rob Jones, talks about the league cup win and comes across well as he did when he was at Hibs

[Bad Habits]

Watched a few under the cosh podcasts and generally they're great, got about 5 minutes through that and had to turn it off. let's just say I'm glad his time at hibs was brief, strange fella

[judas]

There’s been a few but Vine is by far the worst striker I’ve ever seen playing for us, ever!


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This, this and this.

[Hibernia&Alba]

Tried hard but an horrendous player, sadly. One of the worst Hibs players I can recall, and there have been a few truly terrible ones.

[Smartie]

To be fair he wasn't awful for St Johnstone and ended up their top scorer the year before he signed for us. Crap for us however I see why we signed him

Because we were desperate, and an appallingly badly run shambles at that point?

He should never have been a Hibs player. Not even close to the standard we required at that point, hence - deserved relegation.

[GreenCastle]

Kuqi was done two seasons before he came to ER. He had spent a season at my home town club, Crystal Place, and his performances and attitude stunk. I remember posting on here, when we were chasing his signature, giving all the info I had gotten from my Eagle pals but I got told to give him a chance. He had been a decent enough player but the appetite for the game had gone along with his legs.

I guess you can look at it career wise and form wise when they came to Hibs or both..

Felt even Pennant did more in trial matches than some players we signed on 2 / 3 year deals ! Not saying I would have signed him !

[MWHIBBIES]

Once bumped into Vine and had a chat over a bottle of beer.

Nice bloke but was absolutely f-in hopeless for us on the pitch. No-where near the worst ever for us though - Shefi Kuqui easily beats him to that dishonour in the forward positions, whereas from the same team, Michael Nelson was quite probably the most useless huddy I've ever seen slice a ball into touch for us.

Nelson was significantly better than Vine. Before Butcher he was decent. Vine was dreadful from day 1

[Northernhibee]

Nelson was significantly better than Vine. Before Butcher he was decent. Vine was dreadful from day 1

Michael Nelson was six out of ten for us before Butcher took over. He put in some decent, if not particularly stylish, performances and was organised and an aerial threat. Never backed down from a 50/50 at that point either.

[Ozyhibby]

To be fair he wasn't awful for St Johnstone and ended up their top scorer the year before he signed for us. Crap for us however I see why we signed him

We don’t seem to have much success when we buy from St. Johnstone? Maybe need to avoid buying from them again.


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[MWHIBBIES]

Michael Nelson was six out of ten for us before Butcher took over. He put in some decent, if not particularly stylish, performances and was organised and an aerial threat. Never backed down from a 50/50 at that point either.

Yep. Vine is in a different bracket entirely from Nelson. Vine is easily one of our worst ever.

[overdrive]

We don’t seem to have much success when we buy from St. Johnstone? Maybe need to avoid buying from them again.


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I think John O'Neil is the last successful signing we've made from them!

[FilipinoHibs]

We don’t seem to have much success when we buy from St. Johnstone? Maybe need to avoid buying from them again.


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John O'Neil?

[Hibiza]

Is Rowan Vine's picture under the definition of Journeyman footballer? How many clubs has he been at?

2000–2005 Portsmouth
2002–2003 → Brentford (loan)
2003–2004 → Colchester United (loan)
2004–2005 → Luton Town (loan)
2005–2007 Luton Town
2007–2008 Birmingham City
2007–2008 → Queens Park Rangers (loan)
2008–2012 Queens Park Rangers
2010 → Hull City (loan)
2010 → Brentford (loan)
2011 → Milton Keynes Dons (loan)
2011 → Exeter City (loan)
2012 → Gillingham (loan)
2012–2013 St Johnstone
2013–2014 Hibernian
2014 Greenock Morton
2015 Welling United
2015 Havant & Waterlooville
2015 Gosport Borough
2015–2016 Basingstoke Town
2017 Gosport Borough
2017 Southall
2017 Hayes & Yeading United
2017–2018 Hartley Wintney
2018 Gosport Borough
2018 Alresford Town
2018 Hartley Wintney
2018–2019 Southall
2019 Moneyfields
2019 Tadley Calleva
2020– Hemel Hempstead Town :greengrin

Nice work.

[Viva_Palmeiras]

74 games for Ecuador and 26 goals for his country.

Nowhere near Vine levels.

He even scored for Hibs in 12 games.

Kuqi - 60+ games and 8 goals for Finland.

Vine was awful - let’s just admit it - look at his career.

Enigmatic players roll call (good pedigree but never scored for Hibs)

Jonatan Johansson.

[SChibs]

Enigmatic players roll call (good pedigree but never scored for Hibs)

Jonatan Johansson.

I'm sure he got a goal. I seem to remember him tapping one in at the back post at the away end

[Hiber-nation]

I'm sure he got a goal. I seem to remember him tapping one in at the back post at the away end

Johansson didn't score for us. What a let down he was.

Vine must have gone on a 2 month bender in the close season before he signed for us as he was decent for Saints but as unfit a player as I've ever seen in his time with Hibs.

[Billy Whizz]

Birmingham paid Luton £2.5m for him in January 2007😳

[1875Sean]

I'm sure he got a goal. I seem to remember him tapping one in at the back post at the away end

Johansson did score in a friendly against Dunfermline in a pre season, so it might be that goal you remember

[Since452]

Should have really been Coshh

[Bishop Hibee]

I’d raise you a Tudor Jones in the ‘worst ever’ category. Vine was rank though.

[basehibby]

Johansson didn't score for us. What a let down he was.

Vine must have gone on a 2 month bender in the close season before he signed for us as he was decent for Saints but as unfit a player as I've ever seen in his time with Hibs.

You're right - Johansson was an immense disappointment - absolute non-entity at Hibs. Worse than Vine or Shefi Kuki? In terms of the gap between expectations and reality quite possibly.

[jacomo]

To be fair he wasn't awful for St Johnstone and ended up their top scorer the year before he signed for us. Crap for us however I see why we signed him


:agree:

I remember being pleased we got him.

Wonder if we just need to stop signing players from Perth...

Hard to believe Rowan Vine has played for so many clubs, but I do admire players who just keep going, even as they drop down the levels to do so.

[Jones28]

You're right - Johansson was an immense disappointment - absolute non-entity at Hibs. Worse than Vine or Shefi Kuki? In terms of the gap between expectations and reality quite possibly.

Edwin De Graaf comes under biggest disappointment for me, a total huddy.

[WellingtonHibby]

You're right - Johansson was an immense disappointment - absolute non-entity at Hibs. Worse than Vine or Shefi Kuki? In terms of the gap between expectations and reality quite possibly.

Champions League Sensation, Abdullah zoubir?
Steven Pinau?
Lesser Spotted Islam Feruz

[Pilrig_Sauzee]

Every time I hear him mentioned I get phantom foot pain from kicking Imaginary seats in anger. The worst I’ve seen.

[mal]

Johansson didn't score for us. What a let down he was.

Did he even have a shot on target in a competitive game? I don't remember seeing a striker look less likely to score for us.

[matty_f]

Every time I hear him mentioned I get phantom foot pain from kicking Imaginary seats in anger. The worst I’ve seen.

He was *****. Absolutely honking.

[Fergus52]

Champions League Sensation, Abdullah zoubir?
Steven Pinau?
Lesser Spotted Islam Feruz

You could tell Zoubir had tekkers, he was just playing in a dysfunctional team.

Had a few good moments for us where you could really see his dribbling ability.

[we are hibs]

Zoubir would have flourished in a better Hibs team. Hes still playing at a good level now and had been in the Europa league a few times.



Vine was honking and so was Michael Nelson. Nelson is the only player ive ever heard being cheered off after being sent off v partick in a 1-1 draw under Butcher slap bang in the middle of that run. His performances were a disgrace but he wasnt alone in that..

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[Smartie]

I didn't mind Nelson. He was very limited, but was reasonable at what he did best - just being a big, ugly stopper.

That season our problems weren't so much about the defending but about the creation and taking of chances and scoring goals. If the defence did lose a goal (which they weren't good enough not to do from time to time) then the forwards were so brutal that we had no way of getting back into the game.

The recruitment during the summer before that season was as bad as it's ever been, and as bad as Vine was, he and Collins had very little service. We'd been relying on Cairney and Harris to provide that and they were both injured for large chunks of the season, so we had the likes of Liam Craig being stuck out on the right wing.

Horrible times. Makes me grateful for being able to be critical of a team 3rd in the league tbh.

[jacomo]

You're right - Johansson was an immense disappointment - absolute non-entity at Hibs. Worse than Vine or Shefi Kuki? In terms of the gap between expectations and reality quite possibly.


Paul Heffernan another once decent player who came to us too late and achieved very little.

[jacomo]

I didn't mind Nelson. He was very limited, but was reasonable at what he did best - just being a big, ugly stopper.

That season our problems weren't so much about the defending but about the creation and taking of chances and scoring goals. If the defence did lose a goal (which they weren't good enough not to do from time to time) then the forwards were so brutal that we had no way of getting back into the game.

The recruitment during the summer before that season was as bad as it's ever been, and as bad as Vine was, he and Collins had very little service. We'd been relying on Cairney and Harris to provide that and they were both injured for large chunks of the season, so we had the likes of Liam Craig being stuck out on the right wing.

Horrible times. Makes me grateful for being able to be critical of a team 3rd in the league tbh.


That’s putting it mildly. He made James McPake look like Franco Baresi by comparison.

[Magpie]

Names such as Vine and Nelson bring back some daunting memories. Michael Hart another which springs to mind.

[HendoDelivered]

Names such as Vine and Nelson bring back some daunting memories. Michael Hart another which springs to mind.

Danny Haynes too... yikes

[Saint Hibee]

Kuqi was worse.

Not defending Kuqi, but he only ever made two starts for us so it's a bit hard to judge.

[Saint Hibee]

:agree:

I remember being pleased we got him.

Wonder if we just need to stop signing players from Perth...

Hard to believe Rowan Vine has played for so many clubs, but I do admire players who just keep going, even as they drop down the levels to do so.

I, too, was vaguely excited. He'd scored a great goal against us at Easter Road earlier that year (or the year before?). Little did I know what was to come ...

[GreenCastle]

Did he even have a shot on target in a competitive game? I don't remember seeing a striker look less likely to score for us.

I remember watching Vine warm up along with other players that season and it was some of the worst pre match shooting I’ve ever seen. They hardly scored a goal and no co-incidence come the actually games they were awful.

As someone else said shivers down the back some of the dross we had to watch at times - genuinely left ER at times disliking football.

[StockholmHibs]

Is Rowan Vine's picture under the definition of Journeyman footballer? How many clubs has he been at?

2000–2005 Portsmouth
2002–2003 → Brentford (loan)
2003–2004 → Colchester United (loan)
2004–2005 → Luton Town (loan)
2005–2007 Luton Town
2007–2008 Birmingham City
2007–2008 → Queens Park Rangers (loan)
2008–2012 Queens Park Rangers
2010 → Hull City (loan)
2010 → Brentford (loan)
2011 → Milton Keynes Dons (loan)
2011 → Exeter City (loan)
2012 → Gillingham (loan)
2012–2013 St Johnstone
2013–2014 Hibernian
2014 Greenock Morton
2015 Welling United
2015 Havant & Waterlooville
2015 Gosport Borough
2015–2016 Basingstoke Town
2017 Gosport Borough
2017 Southall
2017 Hayes & Yeading United
2017–2018 Hartley Wintney
2018 Gosport Borough
2018 Alresford Town
2018 Hartley Wintney
2018–2019 Southall
2019 Moneyfields
2019 Tadley Calleva
2020– Hemel Hempstead Town :greengrin

What does this say about our recruitment policy?

[Tom Hart RIP]

Listened to it this morning. I assume there is a second part next week as he was still at Birmingham when it ended. No mention of Hibs.
He came across as a bit of an *rse who (so far) who seems to have fallen out with every manager. Entertaining pod cast though.

With regard to his time at Hibs, I was delighted when he signed. The previous season he was the best away player at Easter Road when they beat us (I think)
3-1. So much so I had to look up who he was because he was so good that day.

The second best away player was Owain Tuder Jones for Inverness who totally bossed our midfield. I had to check to see who he was as well.

Shows what I know about footballers although it seems wee Pat must have noticed as well because he signed them both.

Re Michael Nelson, he always gave 100% and didn't pick himself. I remember a game against Celtic when he had a really bad clash of heads just in front of the dugout. They bandaged him up and he spent the rest of the game winning headers.

[ian cruise]

Champions League Sensation, Abdullah zoubir?
Steven Pinau?
Lesser Spotted Islam Feruz

Feruz 100% but Pinau never got a chance to play or develop. I always felt he was decent with the potential to be good without being remarkable.

[leith lynx]

I remember watching Vine warm up along with other players that season and it was some of the worst pre match shooting I’ve ever seen. They hardly scored a goal and no co-incidence come the actually games they were awful.

As someone else said shivers down the back some of the dross we had to watch at times - genuinely left ER at times disliking football.
About to post regarding Vine and the pre-match warm ups, never seen anything like it, glad I wasn't the only one who witnessed this, had to be seen to be believed! The guy was a total imposter!

[ian cruise]

Vine is one of the players U really wished had worked out. Obviously we hope all signings work out but I just really took to him and hoped something would click but even I have to admit he was an abysmal signing for Hibs. I'd dispute the it was lack of effort, I just don't think he was really that good (as much as it pains me to admit it).

[Squealing pig]

That Andy woodman podcast on under the cosh is the funniest I’ve ever seen highly recommend, 2 parts hilarious even tho I hadn’t heard of him

[Squealing pig]

Mind Rowan vine tore us a new one at Easter road too not long before he signed , scary must have fluked that performance

[basehibby]

Not defending Kuqi, but he only ever made two starts for us so it's a bit hard to judge.

There was a reason for that - he was utterly hopeless. More movement from tectonic plates - and for his size he was weak as a kitten!

Disgraceful signing who was nowhere near fit enough and didn't look interested in ever getting there.

[Oscar T Grouch]

What does this say about our recruitment policy?

Vine was brought in because he had scored a few for St Johnstone, one against us I think? We all know what the recruitment from those days were like. What does it say about our recruitment policy now? Absolutely nothing.

[Del Boy]

That Andy woodman podcast on under the cosh is the funniest I’ve ever seen highly recommend, 2 parts hilarious even tho I hadn’t heard of him

Agree, sounds like a good laugh that boy

[CloudSquall]

I remember around that time we made a few signings from other premier league clubs (Tudor Jones springs to mind) that looked decent on paper given their performances at their previous clubs only for them to turn out to be absolutely horrendous on the park for us.

[Dunbar Hibee]

I really like Undr the Cosh. I had to turn that one off halfway through though - Vine is a complete throbber.

[seanshow]

There was a reason for that - he was utterly hopeless. More movement from tectonic plates - and for his size he was weak as a kitten!

Disgraceful signing who was nowhere near fit enough and didn't look interested in ever getting there.

When Kuqi came on as a sub in one of those above games I honestly thought we'd plucked somebodys old boy with a sore back out the crowd.
If it wasn't that it was Hibs I would have been rolling on the floor laughing.

[HH81]

I really like Undr the Cosh. I had to turn that one off halfway through though - Vine is a complete throbber.

I listened to the end but he talked some absolute rubbish.

If anyone saw the Geoff Horsfield one? I have met Geoff a couple of times. Nice guy but his stories far fetched.

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

Johansson did score in a friendly against Dunfermline in a pre season, so it might be that goal you remember

I remember being in Amsterdam for a Scotland game in 2009 and having a punt on JJ for 1st scorer v Wales that helped pay for some of the bevvies! 🍺

11 years to the day later my mum died which is an unfortunate coincidence 😢