VARgument

[AliboyFC]

Should VAR be introduced into scottish football?

[easty]

Aye.

Not saying I want it to work the same way it has been elsewhere, but it definitely has a place.

[Stanton Spence]

No. Its still not working and needs looked at

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[Scouse Hibee]

Yes absolutely, it works well elsewhere it seems to be the EPL that are struggling with it.

[Hibee87]

Is goalie technology used in the prem yet? From memory bits only been the Scottish cup.
You kinda do and don't want it. I think the rules of the game need to be looked at over it first when it comes to offside.
The other night I think Chelsea's goal was disallowed because Werner's arm was outstretched. I don't agree an arm can make you offside when all your legal scoring body parts is behind the ball. All these other bawhair millimeter descions as well are ridiculous.
Off side was brought in in the early 80's was it not to stop for players just standing up top? Kinda get that, but now when it's a sleeve, or a decking strand of hair offside it's ridiculous.
I don't know the answer but something like clear to the naked eye when a line is a drawn would be a start

[MWHIBBIES]

Yes. I do not trust Scottish refs with it but it is the way forward. England making a mess of it isn't a good example. Being used well elsewhere.

[CMurdoch]

Too expensive in it's present format for Scottish football.
Would like to see it being used to prevent only the worst decisions so not for baw hair offsides or pouring way back into moves that led to goals and finding a foul on the half way line
I reckon you could remove the linesmen and they could be the VAR guys.
If it got rid of the worst decisions it would be great.

However, football supporters, managers etc are moaning *******s so as ever would complain about every little thing which is why they have taken VAR to the nth degree in England and ruined it.

[gbhibby]

Is goalie technology used in the prem yet? From memory bits only been the Scottish cup.
You kinda do and don't want it. I think the rules of the game need to be looked at over it first when it comes to offside.
The other night I think Chelsea's goal was disallowed because Werner's arm was outstretched. I don't agree an arm can make you offside when all your legal scoring body parts is behind the ball. All these other bawhair millimeter descions as well are ridiculous.
Off side was brought in in the early 80's was it not to stop for players just standing up top? Kinda get that, but now when it's a sleeve, or a decking strand of hair offside it's ridiculous.
I don't know the answer but something like clear to the naked eye when a line is a drawn would be a start
I think that the current offside does not favour the attacking side. Why don't they change it to make it if any part of the attackers body is in line with the last defender they are onside. That means that the whole of the body must be offside.

[Bangkok Hibby]

Definitely

[Unseen work]

No I can’t stand it.

It’s suffocating the life out of football.

Yes you want the best decisions but football is all about mistakes and raw emotion.

You can’t regulate every single part of it and if you do the game will just turn so boring.

I like how 100mph Scottish football is and whilst it’s frustrating some devious are wrong I’d rather that than seeing Hibs score a goal and I’m too scared to celebrate Incase var rules it out for someone’s shoulder being 0.1cm offside.

[KdyHby]

No, it's ruined international rugby for me, and IMO the few matches that I've seen down south since its introduction.

[we are hibs]

Id take it if they sort out the offsides. Thats my main gripe with it. Just draw a line and if he looks off then give off, if he looks on then give it as on. No need to go to the extent they do at the minute with armpits and all that garbage.

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[Carheenlea]

Football is a sport. Keep technology as far away from an actual match as possible.

[danhibees1875]

No. Goal line technology is fine but anything that loses the instantaneous reaction and celebrations so frequently isn't for me.

It's new enough (and went through a long period of TV viewers only) that it's not had a long and proper run out but my concern would be we get to the point where we don't celebrate when the ball hits the net but we do after a computer/screen tells us it did so within the rules.

I appreciate that it should make things more accurate, but it feels like they're struggling to get away from overanalysing incidents to the nth degree (offsides by distances too minute to accurately capture on camera being one). I'm more of the mindset that inaccurate decisions should be driven down by training and improvement of referee's and any left after that "balance themselves out" or at most become discussion points.

The money involved in high end football I understand the need to make the game a bit more sterile and clinical, but I think Scottish football can still go on to be more about entertainment.

There is maybe some middle ground that could be found with a challenge system, but until it's proposed I'm not going to think about that too much.

[CMurdoch]

I think that the current offside does not favour the attacking side. Why don't they change it to make it if any part of the attackers body is in line with the last defender they are onside. That means that the whole of the body must be offside.

That would work for me.
I'm pretty sure the offside rule was originally brought in to stop poachers staying upfield rather than stopping attackers being a baw hair ahead of the defenders when the ball is passed to them.

[Bright_Hibee]

No but goal line technology should

[hibeejeebies]

Unlikely to happen but I'd like to see it used in a way whereby each manager gets 3 challenges (just like tennis), then on their head be it if their team is left open to an injustice 😎

[CMurdoch]

No, it's ruined international rugby for me, and IMO the few matches that I've seen down south since its introduction.

I like it in Rugby including the ability to hear the chat between the ref and TMO

[CMurdoch]

Unlikely to happen but I'd like to see it used in a way whereby each manager gets 3 challenges (just like tennis), then on their head be it if their team is left open to an injustice 😎

Yeah that would be good

[hibee-boys]

VAR is fine, it’s the rules which are driving some ludicrous offside and handball decisions that are ruining it. The handball rules previously were perfectly fine and players shouldn’t be offside if you’re needing slide rules and computer graphics to determine it. If it’s that close the attacker should benefit.

[H18 SFR]

Massive no for me. I don’t even watch the EPL as I lost interest in it due to VAR. On the other hand I’m watching Watford go one nil up right now!

[Pretty Boy]

It's not just football that struggles with technology. I was watching the European Athletics last night and the mens 3000m was called as a result then the winner was disqualified because video analysis showed him stepping off the track early in the race. A counter appeal saw him reinstated as winner when he was able to show he was pushed and had to take a half step off the track to maintain his balance.

An hour of back and forth nonsense that left opinions as divided after the final decision as before.

I don't mind technology being used for black and white decisions such as whether the ball has crossed the line. So much of football is more nuanced than that though and comes down to the interpretation of an incident as much as anything. When we are measuring offsides in terms of millimeters then you know it's gone too far already.

[Vault Boy]

Goal line technology would suffice for the time being IMO, we should have had that years ago.

VAR in England is causing too many stoppages and so much drama each week in my view.

[BlackSheep]

I’d rather they spent the money on training new referees and making them full time professionals.

[lord bunberry]

No. Goal line technology is fine but anything that loses the instantaneous reaction and celebrations so frequently isn't for me.

It's new enough (and went through a long period of TV viewers only) that it's not had a long and proper run out but my concern would be we get to the point where we don't celebrate when the ball hits the net but we do after a computer/screen tells us it did so within the rules.

I appreciate that it should make things more accurate, but it feels like they're struggling to get away from overanalysing incidents to the nth degree (offsides by distances too minute to accurately capture on camera being one). I'm more of the mindset that inaccurate decisions should be driven down by training and improvement of referee's and any left after that "balance themselves out" or at most become discussion points.

The money involved in high end football I understand the need to make the game a bit more sterile and clinical, but I think Scottish football can still go on to be more about entertainment.

There is maybe some middle ground that could be found with a challenge system, but until it's proposed I'm not going to think about that too much.
Completely agree, it’s killing the game when players and fans aren’t sure whether to celebrate when a goal is scored. As annoying as it is when the ref gets it wrong, it’s better than var analysing every minute detail surrounding a goal or a penalty. I hope we never have it here.

[gbhibby]

VAR can work but they need to change rules such as offside. The referee in all cases should check the pitch monitor. The ref and assistant refs job is not easy due to pace of the game. I would prefer other countries iron out the faults with VAR then we introduce it.

[ancient hibee]

There’s no point in taking on the huge expense of VAR until the standard of refs here improves. It would be more of the same adjudicating VAR.Refs that cannot see a red card 5 yards away or retired refs that downgrade a red card to a yellow because they do not realise that the tackle is the offence when endangering a player,not the outcome of the tackle.

[WhileTheChief..]

No I can’t stand it.

It’s suffocating the life out of football.

Yes you want the best decisions but football is all about mistakes and raw emotion.

You can’t regulate every single part of it and if you do the game will just turn so boring.

I like how 100mph Scottish football is and whilst it’s frustrating some devious are wrong I’d rather that than seeing Hibs score a goal and I’m too scared to celebrate Incase var rules it out for someone’s shoulder being 0.1cm offside.

Agreed.

I also don’t mind inconsistency between refs. It used to be good when you’d see who the ref was and know he’d be hard or lenient with you for whatever reason.

It’s their call. Just accept it and get on with it instead of greetin every time something goes against you. Fans as much as players!

[SHODAN]

In its current form - no.

As some sort of manager-instigated challenge system (think tennis) - absolutely.

[Jones28]

No, it's ruined international rugby for me, and IMO the few matches that I've seen down south since its introduction.

Ruined international rugby? I think you’re in a very small minority with that one.

[CapitalGreen]

Yes absolutely, it works well elsewhere it seems to be the EPL that are struggling with it.

Where do you mean by elsewhere? There have been regular controversies with its use in Italy, Germany, Spain and elsewhere.

[cabbageandribs1875]

after watching a VAR decision just now in the Burnley v Arsenal game then YES, a great reason to have it

referee gave a penalty when he thought the ball came off the arm of the burnley defender, also a 2nd yellow then Red for the burnley player, overturned by Var when it showed the ball actually came of the boys shoulder

Penalty AND 2nd yellow/red card overturned, excellent

[Eyrie]

I actually prefer the way it's done in cricket.

Each team can call for a review, but unless there is clear evidence the umpire's original call stands. The only problem that leaves is the incompetence of Scottish officials.

[hibbysam]

No I can’t stand it.

It’s suffocating the life out of football.

Yes you want the best decisions but football is all about mistakes and raw emotion.

You can’t regulate every single part of it and if you do the game will just turn so boring.

I like how 100mph Scottish football is and whilst it’s frustrating some devious are wrong I’d rather that than seeing Hibs score a goal and I’m too scared to celebrate Incase var rules it out for someone’s shoulder being 0.1cm offside.

This.

[hibbysam]

after watching a VAR decision just now in the Burnley v Arsenal game then YES, a great reason to have it

referee gave a penalty when he thought the ball came off the arm of the burnley defender, also a 2nd yellow then Red for the burnley player, overturned by Var when it showed the ball actually came of the boys shoulder

Penalty AND 2nd yellow/red card overturned, excellent

A few minutes after it refuses to get involved in a stonewall penalty incident. Shambles of a system whether it gets one decision right now and again, ruining the game.

[cabbageandribs1875]

A few minutes after it refuses to get involved in a stonewall penalty incident. Shambles of a system whether it gets one decision right now and again, ruining the game.


i'm only commenting on what i saw of the game....which was only the last 5 mins :)

[AliboyFC]

VAR is fine, it’s the rules which are driving some ludicrous offside and handball decisions that are ruining it. The handball rules previously were perfectly fine and players shouldn’t be offside if you’re needing slide rules and computer graphics to determine it. If it’s that close the attacker should benefit.

I agree

[1875Sean]

Hate var, sucks the life out of the game, can you imagine a last min winner getting cut off after a players arm pit being offside!

I know it’s the rules rather than Var but would rather have goal line technology, still wouldn’t trust the refs to make the right call even with the benefit of a replay

[TelaStella]

Too expensive in it's present format for Scottish football.
Would like to see it being used to prevent only the worst decisions so not for baw hair offsides or pouring way back into moves that led to goals and finding a foul on the half way line
I reckon you could remove the linesmen and they could be the VAR guys.
If it got rid of the worst decisions it would be great.

However, football supporters, managers etc are moaning *******s so as ever would complain about every little thing which is why they have taken VAR to the nth degree in England and ruined it.

How expensive actually is it? Jw. Works affordably enough in Egypt, Croatia, Czech Republic, Greece, Morocco, Belgium, Peru, Israel and Switzerland, just to name a few...


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[Man Down Under]

Goal line tech is enough I think. Hate the offside scrutiny of VAR.

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[Magpie]

I am for VAR, I understand why some people don’t want it though.

[neil7908]

Yes but let's learn from the mistakes made by other leagues. On a wider point FIFA need to look at updating the rules to fit the game as its played today, offside most importantly.

[jacomo]

No I can’t stand it.

It’s suffocating the life out of football.

Yes you want the best decisions but football is all about mistakes and raw emotion.

You can’t regulate every single part of it and if you do the game will just turn so boring.

I like how 100mph Scottish football is and whilst it’s frustrating some devious are wrong I’d rather that than seeing Hibs score a goal and I’m too scared to celebrate Incase var rules it out for someone’s shoulder being 0.1cm offside.


:agree:

Investing the money in recruiting better referees would be better.

Scottish football is fast paced and has a unique appeal. I think the SPFL could market it better - not throwback football as such, but football that’s less stop start and less regimented.