Everton get go ahead for new stadium

[PatHead]

Liverpool council have passed plans to allow Everton to move from Goodieson to Liverpool docks.

Made me think about when we were going to move to Straiton. I wonder how different the club would be if we had moved?

Anyone know how Evertonians feel?

[Newry Hibs]

Liverpool council have passed plans to allow Everton to move from Goodieson to Liverpool docks.

Made me think about when we were going to move to Straiton. I wonder how different the club would be if we had moved?

Anyone know how Evertonians feel?

Probably still pissed / hungover from their last result.

[Smartie]

That'll be another great ground gone and another nondescript, average one in it's place.

[jacomo]

My Evertonian mate is very happy about this. I’m sure others will be more emotional about leaving Goodison but he sees it as a necessary and overdue move to get the club challenging the elite.

Their new stadium will be underwater in 30 years so they’d best make the most of it.

[MWHIBBIES]

That'll be another great ground gone and another nondescript, average one in it's place.

Sadly, nostalgia doesn't pay wages, revenues do. And better, bigger grounds bring bigger revenues.

[Logie Green]

That'll be another great ground gone and another nondescript, average one in it's place.

True, but their new ground surely won’t have as many poor viewing areas as Goodison. The Park End stand behind the goal to the left of the TV cameras is the only stand which doesn’t have pillars.

[Wakeyhibee]

Prefer the old grounds but it needs to happen in today's world. That'll be over a 1/3 of all EFL grounds lost totally, without counting the ones who've spun round like Spurs and Bournemouth.

[Since452]

One of the more unlikely threads to see on a Hibs forum

[CapitalGreen]

That'll be another great ground gone and another nondescript, average one in it's place.

I went to Goodison and it was awful, couldn’t see half the pitch and got charged about £60 for the privilege.

[Smartie]

All fair points, and as someone who lost interest in Premiership football long ago I have absolutely no real interest in it, vested or otherwise, so I can accept that it is a good move that needed to happen.

Shame though. Everton are a club I historically didn't mind. Won the league just as I got into football so I always consider them to be amongst the big clubs even if they haven't had much to shout about for a fairly long time.

[Cat Stanton]

One of the more unlikely threads to see on a Hibs forum

Indeed. And there are two threads about it!

In fairness, I believe everton.net has a long-running thread about our ground's seagulls and loudspeaker problems.

[Keith_M]

Indeed. And there are two threads about it!

In fairness, I believe everton.net has a long-running thread about our ground's seagulls and loudspeaker problems.


The other one was started by me and I locked it as soon as I saw this one.



As an aside, this is a Forum "... to chat about Hibs and football in general". If you don't want to read a thread, there's a simple answer... just don't open it.

[PatHead]

Indeed. And there are two threads about it!

In fairness, I believe everton.net has a long-running thread about our ground's seagulls and loudspeaker problems.
Don't think it is that weird a thread to have on football grounds. In the OP I did ask how folk would have felt and how different things would have been if we had gone to Straiton. It did even refer to Hibs.

[Cat Stanton]

Don't think it is that weird a thread to have on football grounds. In the OP I did ask how folk would have felt and how different things would have been if we had gone to Straiton. It did even refer to Hibs.

Fair dos. Apologies.

[The Harp]

Having long-time family connections to Everton, I'll be sad to see them leave Goodison Park. It's one of the historic and traditional grounds in England, although I must admit the last time I was there, the lack of leg room in the stand and toilet facilities were pretty poor.

[PatHead]

Fair dos. Apologies.

No problems

[Pagan Hibernia]

It’ll be a good move for Everton, the Hibs of Merseyside :greengrin

that said, what a grand old place Goodison is. As always it’s sad to see wonderful atmospheric grounds like that disappear.

[Cat Stanton]

No problems

Apologies to Keith_M also.

I ain't a fan of English football, and the obscene amounts of money that swirl round it, but I was missing the point with my post. Sorry.

Jings, this is the most a cat has apologised since that American lawyer on zoom the other week.

[Keith_M]

Apologies to Keith_M also.

I ain't a fan of English football, and the obscene amounts of money that swirl round it, but I was missing the point with my post. Sorry.

Jings, this is the most a cat has apologised since that American lawyer on zoom the other week.


No problem mate, I'm just being a bit grumpy

:aok:

[PatHead]

Going back to the question I asked at the beginning. How do you all feel we would be different as s club out at Straiton. It is one generation on now and I wonder how younger fans would feel about a stadium on the side of the bypass.

Much as I prefer Easter Road as a location I would have followed us out to there. Easter Road is effectively a new stadium compared to the one that was there back in the day.

[Iggy Pope]

Going back to the question I asked at the beginning. How do you all feel we would be different as s club out at Straiton. It is one generation on now and I wonder how younger fans would feel about a stadium on the side of the bypass.

Much as I prefer Easter Road as a location I would have followed us out to there. Easter Road is effectively a new stadium compared to the one that was there back in the day.

The Straiton proposals alienated fans back then and there couldn’t have been many unhappy about how it floundered.
Plenty of our generation would have followed but we would be a different club with the same name and less soul in my opinion. I doubt the youth would have fancied it much either.
Time has proved what a baseless idea it was, Cromb describing Easter Road back then as a ‘grand old lady that had had her day’, or some other patronising observation as he promoted the need to move. He was wrong, she’s still displaying grandeur to this day.

[Smartie]

Going back to the question I asked at the beginning. How do you all feel we would be different as s club out at Straiton. It is one generation on now and I wonder how younger fans would feel about a stadium on the side of the bypass.

Much as I prefer Easter Road as a location I would have followed us out to there. Easter Road is effectively a new stadium compared to the one that was there back in the day.

I'd have hated it and I don't think it would have been a great move for us although I'd have probably stuck with Hibs and kept going.

The fact that we have the ground we have in the location it is in, as well as a good training ground, are huge feathers in the cap of the club that we should be proud of.

FWIW I like that Hearts managed to stay at Tynecastle too. Another cracking ground in a great location. It wouldn't have been the same if they'd been forced to move to some soulless municipal heap in the middle of nowhere. The short hop back into town after winning at Tynecastle is one of the best post-match journeys you can make.

[CentreLine]

Anyone think it will be finished before the new stand at tynecastle?
Just for the record, I do 🤣

[0762]

Going back to the question I asked at the beginning. How do you all feel we would be different as s club out at Straiton. It is one generation on now and I wonder how younger fans would feel about a stadium on the side of the bypass.

Much as I prefer Easter Road as a location I would have followed us out to there. Easter Road is effectively a new stadium compared to the one that was there back in the day.

Think like the vast majority of our support a move to Straiton was a non-started. Wasn't exactly sold to the fans and instead was presented as the only show in town. Douglas Cromb couldn't have got it more wrong especially the flannel that you couldn't build a stadium of circa 20k on the Easter Road site. Thankfully we got some people into the club that proved otherwise.

Think a more difficult question might have been a new Stadium in Leith Area, say Leith Docks or the site of the new Leith Academy. Think if a site could have been found within close proximity to Easter Road people would have accepted the change. The other side of the bypass was just a step too far.

[Sammy7nil]

Think like the vast majority of our support a move to Straiton was a non-started. Wasn't exactly sold to the fans and instead was presented as the only show in town. Douglas Cromb couldn't have got it more wrong especially the flannel that you couldn't build a stadium of circa 20k on the Easter Road site. Thankfully we got some people into the club that proved otherwise.

Think a more difficult question might have been a new Stadium in Leith Area, say Leith Docks or the site of the new Leith Academy. Think if a site could have been found within close proximity to Easter Road people would have accepted the change. The other side of the bypass was just a step too far.

I agree a move staying in Leith may well have been accepted by most.

[.Sean.]

I would honestly hate it if we ever moved from Easter Road, it would physically sicken me and the football would never ever be the same again. I imagine most Everton fans feel the same? Couldn’t think of anything worse than trading your historical home and your identity for some Americanised, glossy, carnival stadium.

[Eyrie]

I'm a Hibs fan. I like Easter Road because it's our stadium, but if we'd moved to Straiton then I'd like Straiton because it's our stadium.

And Straiton is hardly that far away from where we started. Closer than Tranent for example.

[Iggy Pope]

I'm a Hibs fan. I like Easter Road because it's our stadium, but if we'd moved to Straiton then I'd like Straiton because it's our stadium.

And Straiton is hardly that far away from where we started. Closer than Tranent for example.

Can’t say I’d fancy the idea of them playing in Tranent either but each to their own. Never happened so let’s be thankful.

[LancsHibs]

I guess it will be sad to say goodbye to Goodison Park for Everton fans and locals in the area. It’s always great to see Goodison above the houses when you drive down County Road into Liverpool city centre, looking down the terraced streets and seeing the ground towering at the end of the road. The local boozers and other businesses will be decimated.

[Just_Jimmy]

I played in a charity thing at goodison at end of 16/17 season not long after moving to Manchester.

it's a proper ground with character and history.

it needs work but I'd be gutted if I was a toffee.

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[CentreLine]

First memories of Goodieson was TV coverage of that football tournament held in England in 1966. The low wall around the pitch and I think it was a Hungarian (could it have been Bulgarian) player shoulder charged (down right assaulted) over the wall and a fair drop on to the concrete terrace behind the goals. He was clearly injured but carried on playing as no subs were allowed those days.

[superfurryhibby]

I thought that revenue from ticket sales didn’t really matter much to teams in the greatest league in the world?

Are Everton really going to attract massive gates, outside fixtures v Liverpool?

[Eyrie]

Can’t say I’d fancy the idea of them playing in Tranent either but each to their own. Never happened so let’s be thankful.

Only picked Tranent because the training centre is there.

I'm happy we play where we do, but still regret that we had to get rid of the slope.

[Lendo]

https://youtu.be/eHnPtZGeBfA

I really like the look of it.

Not that it will ever happen, but if we were to ever leave Easter Road for whatever reason I would love to see us do something like this down in Leith Docks.

[Smartie]

I thought that revenue from ticket sales didn’t really matter much to teams in the greatest league in the world?

Are Everton really going to attract massive gates, outside fixtures v Liverpool?

They're a big club, and if they keep getting results like the one on Saturday then they'll have no issues selling out a ground.

Very good crowds for a few decades to watch a team that has been miles behind the top teams in the country.

[CallumLaidlaw]

I thought that revenue from ticket sales didn’t really matter much to teams in the greatest league in the world?

Are Everton really going to attract massive gates, outside fixtures v Liverpool?

Goodison is sold out most weeks and signings like Rodriguez appeal to the tourists too. The move will also have a lot to do with hospitality opportunities the hospitality at goodison isn’t a great offering for their size due to limited space.


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[NAE NOOKIE]

Been to Goodison a few times, it's got a really good atmosphere, but it is also a bit of a dump, for an EPL stadium even Easter Road beats it by some way.

The good news for Everton fans is that at least the new stadium will be in Liverpool, rather than outside the city limits, which is what the proposed Kirkby move would have given them. Anyway, where better for a Scouse football team than right on the banks of the Mersey :greengrin

[Magpie]

Been to Goodison a few times, it's got a really good atmosphere, but it is also a bit of a dump, for an EPL stadium even Easter Road beats it by some way.

The good news for Everton fans is that at least the new stadium will be in Liverpool, rather than outside the city limits, which is what the proposed Kirkby move would have given them. Anyway, where better for a Scouse football team than right on the banks of the Mersey :greengrin

Posted on the other thread which got closed that I went along to see them play against Man City in a cup game a few years back whilst I was in Liverpool. The pillars were a nightmare, I’m glad we don’t have any at ER.

[NAE NOOKIE]

Posted on the other thread which got closed that I went along to see them play against Man City in a cup game a few years back whilst I was in Liverpool. The pillars were a nightmare, I’m glad we don’t have any at ER.

Totally unrelated, but have you seen the new Edinburgh Rugby ground down at Murrayfield? How the hell can you spend nearly 6 million quid and end up with that forest of poles restricting the view from every single stand, whoever designed it and whoever at Edinburgh rugby approved it wants shooting :confused:

[Magpie]

Totally unrelated, but have you seen the new Edinburgh Rugby ground down at Murrayfield? How the hell can you spend nearly 6 million quid and end up with that forest of poles restricting the view from every single stand, whoever designed it and whoever at Edinburgh rugby approved it wants shooting :confused:

Wasn’t aware until I just searched it up. Looks ridiculous 😂

[1van Sprou7e]

Totally unrelated, but have you seen the new Edinburgh Rugby ground down at Murrayfield? How the hell can you spend nearly 6 million quid and end up with that forest of poles restricting the view from every single stand, whoever designed it and whoever at Edinburgh rugby approved it wants shooting :confused:

Not a keen rugby watcher but the artificial turf is more concerning to me, quite how that works for that sport I have no idea

[Haymaker]

Not a keen rugby watcher but the artificial turf is more concerning to me, quite how that works for that sport I have no idea

I played rugby at school on artificial, the old plastic kind. It was not fun.

[worcesterhibby]

Totally unrelated, but have you seen the new Edinburgh Rugby ground down at Murrayfield? How the hell can you spend nearly 6 million quid and end up with that forest of poles restricting the view from every single stand, whoever designed it and whoever at Edinburgh rugby approved it wants shooting :confused:

that is awful! Stands look like the have a very shallow rake too. If your sitting behind some big former prop forward called Gregor, you’ll see nothing at all !

[Stokesy's on fire]

Easter Road is our home and i would hate us to ever consider selling our soul. When a club leaves its spiritual home the spirit dies within the relocation

[Keith_M]

Totally unrelated, but have you seen the new Edinburgh Rugby ground down at Murrayfield? How the hell can you spend nearly 6 million quid and end up with that forest of poles restricting the view from every single stand, whoever designed it and whoever at Edinburgh rugby approved it wants shooting :confused:


It's totally hideous.

Whoever gave that design the go-ahead needs their head examined.

[Brizo]

It’ll be a good move for Everton, the Hibs of Merseyside :greengrin

that said, what a grand old place Goodison is. As always it’s sad to see wonderful atmospheric grounds like that disappear.

We used to go down a lot and the Evertonians we met were always very positive when they found out we were Hibbies.

Cracking old school stadium but with that comes the lack of 21st facilities and the previous poster was right about the legroom and toilets. The only positive from the latter was that the smell from the bogs was masked by the smell of the weed which seemed to hang over the stadium like a cloud:greengrin. A new stadium was inevitable given the new money invested in the club and financially it makes total sense but I'm sure a lot of Evertonians will be sad to leave Goodison.

[jacomo]

Totally unrelated, but have you seen the new Edinburgh Rugby ground down at Murrayfield? How the hell can you spend nearly 6 million quid and end up with that forest of poles restricting the view from every single stand, whoever designed it and whoever at Edinburgh rugby approved it wants shooting :confused:


Some Hun has just put in a complaint against you for your violence-endorsing hate crime.

:wink:

[Renfrew_Hibby]

I thought that revenue from ticket sales didn’t really matter much to teams in the greatest league in the world?

Are Everton really going to attract massive gates, outside fixtures v Liverpool?

You do realise that Everton have had more season ticket holders that Liverpool in recent times?
Yes they dont have the global reach and appeal of say Liverpool or Man Utd ect but they still are a massive club in the north west of England, I go down to Chester and north Wales quite often and the numbers that follow the Toffees is remarkable really.
They would comfortably fill 52,000 for most if not all Premiership games and I fully get why most Everton fans feel that 60,000 should be the preferred capacity.

What I would say that the stadium will look amazing just like Spurs but it will have a breathtaking and iconic setting in the World Heritage Site waterfront. This will instantly mark it out in world football.

It's going to be interesting for all football fans if the plan around safe standing that the board has comes to fruition. The initial build would be 52,000 seats but it will be designed in a way so that should the law permit, then it could be reconfigured to include a vast terrace area which would raise capacity to 60,000, a bit like what happens at Dortmunds ground when they covert it from a Champions League venue to a Bundesliga ground of 80,000.

[Hibernia&Alba]

I thought that revenue from ticket sales didn’t really matter much to teams in the greatest league in the world?

Are Everton really going to attract massive gates, outside fixtures v Liverpool?

Everton are easily capable of crowds of over 50,000 for home games, particularly if they start getting a bit of success again. They need a bigger place.

[GreenCastle]

Totally unrelated, but have you seen the new Edinburgh Rugby ground down at Murrayfield? How the hell can you spend nearly 6 million quid and end up with that forest of poles restricting the view from every single stand, whoever designed it and whoever at Edinburgh rugby approved it wants shooting :confused:

They have to get changed in main stadium then walk across to the ground !

Everything looks temporary and the poles are ridiculous - not quite sure what they were thinking.

[jacomo]

Going back to the question I asked at the beginning. How do you all feel we would be different as s club out at Straiton. It is one generation on now and I wonder how younger fans would feel about a stadium on the side of the bypass.

Much as I prefer Easter Road as a location I would have followed us out to there. Easter Road is effectively a new stadium compared to the one that was there back in the day.


I’d have gone too but maybe not as often. I think we would have lost a lot of supporters.

Easter Road is a glorious stadium and the walk up to it on match day is all part of the magic.

[Cardinal Hibernian]

You do realise that Everton have had more season ticket holders that Liverpool in recent times?
Yes they dont have the global reach and appeal of say Liverpool or Man Utd ect but they still are a massive club in the north west of England, I go down to Chester and north Wales quite often and the numbers that follow the Toffees is remarkable really.
They would comfortably fill 52,000 for most if not all Premiership games and I fully get why most Everton fans feel that 60,000 should be the preferred capacity.

What I would say that the stadium will look amazing just like Spurs but it will have a breathtaking and iconic setting in the World Heritage Site waterfront. This will instantly mark it out in world football.

It's going to be interesting for all football fans if the plan around safe standing that the board has comes to fruition. The initial build would be 52,000 seats but it will be designed in a way so that should the law permit, then it could be reconfigured to include a vast terrace area which would raise capacity to 60,000, a bit like what happens at Dortmunds ground when they covert it from a Champions League venue to a Bundesliga ground of 80,000.Not sure where you are getting your information from but even taking into half-season ticket sales, Everton are way behind Liverpool. Liverpool supporters, whom Iknow l, take much delight in stating they don't do half-season ticket sales.

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[Scouse Hibee]

Not sure where you are getting your information from but even taking into half-season ticket sales, Everton are way behind Liverpool. Liverpool supporters, whom Iknow l, take much delight in stating they don't do half-season ticket sales.

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I’m sure I read that Everton are about 20k behind in season ticket holders to Liverpool.

[0762]

Totally unrelated, but have you seen the new Edinburgh Rugby ground down at Murrayfield? How the hell can you spend nearly 6 million quid and end up with that forest of poles restricting the view from every single stand, whoever designed it and whoever at Edinburgh rugby approved it wants shooting :confused:

Have to agree. Walked past at the weekend and theirs a real temporary feel about the place. The sort of thing you see put up for sevens rugby at the league rugby Clubs. £6m!!! Did they get Hearts to do the Project Management??

[Keith_M]

It's just a personal opinion but, when the discussions about redeveloping Easter Road were ongoing, I wouldn't have been completely against moving away from Easter Road, if the circumstances were right (location, stadium, transport links, etc).

However, Straiton definitely wasn't the right location.

[Magpie]

How would you feel if we changed the name of the stadium? If it was to increase revenue.

[bigwheel]

How would you feel if we changed the name of the stadium? If it was to increase revenue.

Id be relaxed about it. Would still call it Easter Rd ...

[Eyrie]

How would you feel if we changed the name of the stadium? If it was to increase revenue.

Depends on who the sponsor would be and how the name is presented.

The "7 Up Easter Road" is far more appealing than the "BP Arena".

[Iggy Pope]

It's just a personal opinion but, when the discussions about redeveloping Easter Road were ongoing, I wouldn't have been completely against moving away from Easter Road, if the circumstances were right (location, stadium, transport links, etc).

However, Straiton definitely wasn't the right location.

Depends on where you were living or coming from.
Can’t think of any of those criteria or circumstances that would have made any move a good idea.
Location, stadium and transport links were all tick tick tick I think even then.

[Iggy Pope]

Id be relaxed about it. Would still call it Easter Rd ...

Me too.

[weecounty hibby]

Depends on who the sponsor would be and how the name is presented.

The "7 Up Easter Road" is far more appealing than the "BP Arena".

What about if it was the BP Arena Easter Road? SRU got £50m to call Murrayfield BT Murrayfield. Everyone just calls it Murrayfield except commentators and even then not all the time

[Eyrie]

What about if it was the BP Arena Easter Road? SRU got £50m to call Murrayfield BT Murrayfield. Everyone just calls it Murrayfield except commentators and even then not all the time

The greenest club in Scotland would need a cleaner sponsor than BP, so "BT Easter Road" would work without the arena. Otherwise you end up with one of the convoluted American names like "Empower Field at Mile High".

[Renfrew_Hibby]

Not sure where you are getting your information from but even taking into half-season ticket sales, Everton are way behind Liverpool. Liverpool supporters, whom Iknow l, take much delight in stating they don't do half-season ticket sales.

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https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/aston-villa-more-season-ticket-18086765

Just googling gets me various reports on season ticket numbers down south, this is just one example that compares Aston Villa with Liverpool, Everton ect but there are numerous others that position EFC above LFC.

[NAE NOOKIE]

https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/aston-villa-more-season-ticket-18086765

Just googling gets me various reports on season ticket numbers down south, this is just one example that compares Aston Villa with Liverpool, Everton ect but there are numerous others that position EFC above LFC.

At the end of the day whatever the story is with STs the crowds Everton get are remarkable, they have shared a city with a club who over the last half century have won titles, cups and European trophies way way in excess of their meagre return and yet still they support Everton in numbers, that's something any club could be proud of.

[Crunchie]

At the end of the day whatever the story is with STs the crowds Everton get are remarkable, they have shared a city with a club who over the last half century have won titles, cups and European trophies way way in excess of their meagre return and yet still they support Everton in numbers, that's something any club could be proud of.
I agree with this, we only had a poor derby record to contend with. I can't imagine what it would have been like if our neighbours were a 10th as successful as Liverpool have been.

[Renfrew_Hibby]

https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/aston-villa-more-season-ticket-18086765

Just googling gets me various reports on season ticket numbers down south, this is just one example that compares Aston Villa with Liverpool, Everton ect but there are numerous others that position EFC above LFC.

In addition to that, Liverpool, Man Utd and the three main 'Big Six' London clubs could sell more seasons than they do but instead choose to exploit the foreign tourist market and the once a season day tripper from Devon who would also spend a fortune on merchandise ect.

[Iain G]

They have to get changed in main stadium then walk across to the ground !

Everything looks temporary and the poles are ridiculous - not quite sure what they were thinking.

I thought Boris said all the poles would disappear after Brexit...? 😁

[Keith_M]

Depends on where you were living or coming from.
Can’t think of any of those criteria or circumstances that would have made any move a good idea.
Location, stadium and transport links were all tick tick tick I think even then.


For me, Straiton was just too far away from town, plus there's no rail links and very limited bus routes.

I think it would have been a nightmare on both the bypass and Burdiehouse Road every match day, as almost everybody would have had to go by car.

If the proposal had been to move to Leith Docks, or even the site next to Asda at The Jewel (which was very briefly under discussion), then it wouldn't have been quite so bad.

[Iggy Pope]

For me, Straiton was just too far away from town, plus there's no rail links and very limited bus routes.

I think it would have been a nightmare on both the bypass and Burdiehouse Road every match day, as almost everybody would have had to go by car.

If the proposal had been to move to Leith Docks, or even the site next to Asda at The Jewel (which was very briefly under discussion), then it wouldn't have been quite so bad.

I meant Easter Road ticked all the boxes, not ****ing Straiton!

[Pagan Hibernia]

I agree with this, we only had a poor derby record to contend with. I can't imagine what it would have been like if our neighbours were a 10th as successful as Liverpool have been.

the amusing thing is how hearts fans talk as if they are on a par with Liverpool :greengrin

[Lancs Harp]

the amusing thing is how hearts fans talk as if they are on a par with Liverpool :greengrin

Liverpool can keep their European Cups and League Championships. They have never won a World War.

[Pagan Hibernia]

How would you feel if we changed the name of the stadium? If it was to increase revenue.

im resigned to the fact it’s probably going to happen (nothing sacred in football and an American chairman will surely be looking at options like that). Wouldn’t say I’m overly pleased about it though.

[Keith_M]

I meant Easter Road ticked all the boxes, not ****ing Straiton!


OK, calm doon auld yin