Interesting fact about Scottish Managers (NHC)

[worcesterhibby]

I was just taking a look at how likely we are to get a British manager lifting the English Premiership this year and started looking at a few stats, which are fairly amazing !

Their are currently 8 English managers in the Premiership...7 of them are in charge of teams in the bottom 7 places !

no English manager has ever won the Premiership

In the last 70 (seventy !!) years, more Scottish managers have won the English top flight than English managers.

Scotsman George Ramsay won the title as Villa manager 6 times and introduced “the passing game” to England, before then it was all kick and rush and dribbling !

[worcesterhibby]

Without googling can anyone name me the only English manager ever to win the Scottish Top Division ?...he has a fantastic name !

[Just_Jimmy]

Without googling can anyone name me the only English manager ever to win the Scottish Top Division ?...he has a fantastic name !I know the answer because it came up on a zoom quiz I did a few months ago.

he managed third Lanark. I won't post the answer tho because others might want a punt.

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[1van Sprou7e]

Without googling can anyone name me the only English manager ever to win the Scottish Top Division ?...he has a fantastic name !

That's an incredible stat, think Stubbs was only the second English manager to win the Scottish Cup too

[Iain G]

Without googling can anyone name me the only English manager ever to win the Scottish Top Division ?...he has a fantastic name !

Not John Barnes then? 😁

[Clarence]

Without googling can anyone name me the only English manager ever to win the Scottish Top Division ?...he has a fantastic name !

Don’t know that one but the last English manager to win the top flight in England was Howard Wilkinson with Leeds, almost 30 years ago. I doubt there is any other top league in world football that has such a claim.

Don’t think that there are any obvious candidates to break that run at the moment.

[worcesterhibby]

I know the answer because it came up on a zoom quiz I did a few months ago.

he managed third Lanark. I won't post the answer tho because others might want a punt.

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go for it Jimmy, no one else seems to have a clue.

[DIXIHIBS]

Just googled and scottish managers have won the top flight in england 41 times. Compared to english managers 65 times that is some stat.

[erin go bragh]

Well it wasn’t fin Terry Butcher 😡

[Hibbyradge]

It's about to be that **** Gerard

[hibby rae]

Don’t know that one but the last English manager to win the top flight in England was Howard Wilkinson with Leeds, almost 30 years ago. I doubt there is any other top league in world football that has such a claim.

Don’t think that there are any obvious candidates to break that run at the moment.

The only other silverware won since then is one FA Cup and two League Cups.

[hibby rae]

I was just taking a look at how likely we are to get a British manager lifting the English Premiership this year and started looking at a few stats, which are fairly amazing !

Their are currently 8 English managers in the Premiership...7 of them are in charge of teams in the bottom 7 places !

no English manager has ever won the Premiership

In the last 70 (seventy !!) years, more Scottish managers have won the English top flight than English managers.

Scotsman George Ramsay won the title as Villa manager 6 times and introduced “the passing game” to England, before then it was all kick and rush and dribbling !

Is that more managers, or more titles won by managers?

Obviously, even removing Ferguson, it's still a large amount.

[Renfrew_Hibby]

And didn't a very successful English manager not even have a Scottish name?
Bob Paisley.

[Greencore]

Dan mcmichael is the only Irishman, (not Northern Irish) to have won the Scottish top league and he done it with Hibernian in 1902.

[Onceinawhile]

I was just taking a look at how likely we are to get a British manager lifting the English Premiership this year and started looking at a few stats, which are fairly amazing !

Their are currently 8 English managers in the Premiership...7 of them are in charge of teams in the bottom 7 places !

no English manager has ever won the Premiership

In the last 70 (seventy !!) years, more Scottish managers have won the English top flight than English managers.

Scotsman George Ramsay won the title as Villa manager 6 times and introduced “the passing game” to England, before then it was all kick and rush and dribbling !

Leicester are probably the most likely.

But I think we all know it is going to be city again.

[CropleyWasGod]

That's an incredible stat, think Stubbs was only the second English manager to win the Scottish Cup too

Who was the first?

[Pretty Boy]

Who was the first?

I'm not sure but how many non Scottish Scottish Cup winning managers have there been? Can't be many. I can think of:

Stubbs
Lennon
Wright
Rodgers
Sergio
Ivanauskas
Golac
O'Neill
Advocat
McMichael

Are there any others apart from the elusive other Englishman?

[gbhibby]

I know the answer because it came up on a zoom quiz I did a few months ago.

he managed third Lanark. I won't post the answer tho because others might want a punt.

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He was mentioned in a Maurice Chevalier song! 😁

[CMurdoch]

I was just taking a look at how likely we are to get a British manager lifting the English Premiership this year and started looking at a few stats, which are fairly amazing !

Their are currently 8 English managers in the Premiership...7 of them are in charge of teams in the bottom 7 places !

no English manager has ever won the Premiership

In the last 70 (seventy !!) years, more Scottish managers have won the English top flight than English managers.

Scotsman George Ramsay won the title as Villa manager 6 times and introduced “the passing game” to England, before then it was all kick and rush and dribbling !

The English now make up the numbers in their own soulless league, be that club owners, managers or even players.
What they have is an investment vehicle dressed up as a football circus and the English are the clowns.

[dalkeith stu]

I remember reading an article in FourFourTwo a few years ago and at the time most of the top flight managers in the EPL were not only Scottish but were born within a 10 mile radius of Glasgow.

[ScottB]

Been awhile since a Scot won our league though? Mcleish would be the last one?

[JeMeSouviens]

Dan mcmichael is the only Irishman, (not Northern Irish) to have won the Scottish top league and he done it with Hibernian in 1902.

I was going to post something similar last night, then realised I didn't know where in Ireland Dan was born, so it could have been in what is now the north. I'm sure Martin O'Neill, Neil Lennon and Brendan Rogers would all be happy to be considered Irishmen anyway.

[CMurdoch]

I remember reading an article in FourFourTwo a few years ago and at the time most of the top flight managers in the EPL were not only Scottish but were born within a 10 mile radius of Glasgow.

That ship sailed a few years ago now with David Moyes currently the most prominent Scottish manager.
Who is the most prominent Scottish manager after him?
Probably Alex Neil, Steve Clarke, Jack Ross and Derek McInnes
Very lean pickings indeed from the top 2 leagues down south and top 4 clubs in Scotland and International football.

[Just_Jimmy]

go for it Jimmy, no one else seems to have a clue.Frank (Sauzee) Heaven for third Lanark, 1903-04 the year after Hibernian won it with Dan McMichael.

although I'm lead to believe that football historians dispute he was actually ever their manager but more a club secretary. at least the stato that argued with the question reader on the quiz said anyway.

I didn't get it right.

it's also worth noting that until wim Jansen in 1997-98, the only non Scots to win the league title were heaven and McMichael.

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[PatHead]

Been awhile since a Scot won our league though? Mcleish would be the last one?

Gordon Strachan?

[Oscar T Grouch]

And didn't a very successful English manager not even have a Scottish name?
Bob Paisley.

Must have had one of the longest apprenticeships in English football, he was Liverpool assistant manager from the late 50s til he got the main job in 1973, I suppose when Shankley is in charge you need to wait your turn.

[hibby rae]

Gordon Strachan?

Walter Smith

[Oscar T Grouch]

Walter Smith

:agree:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Scottish_football_championship-winning_managers

[1van Sprou7e]

Walter Smith

Kind of crazy to think he was the last manager to win before Celtic's 9 when he was involved in Rangers' own 9IAR

[stantonhibby]

Who was the first?

Falkirk won it with an English manager in the 50's.

[CropleyWasGod]

Falkirk won it with an English manager in the 50's.

Willie Cunningham?

Was he not Irish?

[stantonhibby]

Willie Cunningham?

Was he not Irish?

Reg Smith in 1957

[worcesterhibby]

Frank (Sauzee) Heaven for third Lanark, 1903-04 the year after Hibernian won it with Dan McMichael.

although I'm lead to believe that football historians dispute he was actually ever their manager but more a club secretary. at least the stato that argued with the question reader on the quiz said anyway.

I didn't get it right.

it's also worth noting that until wim Jansen in 1997-98, the only non Scots to win the league title were heaven and McMichael.

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few teams actually had managers in those days, in the way we have them now..they tend to have a trainer and a secretary and someone who managed the club (buying, selling etc) I think...actually hard to pinpoint who was “manager” back then. Great name though..Frank Heaven..also “managed” West Brom and Liverpool.

[worcesterhibby]

He was mentioned in a Maurice Chevalier song! 😁

“Frank Heaven...for little girls...” very good :greengrin

[CropleyWasGod]

Reg Smith in 1957

Ah cheers. I had never heard of him :greengrin

I always thought it was Cunningham. My pal's old man captained that team, so I should've known.:rolleyes:


Edit... I was only about 10 years out with Cunningham :greengrin

[G15 Hibs]

Not John Barnes then? 😁

I never knew, or had totally forgotten, that John Barnes had managed Tranmere Rovers in 2009 until I heard mentioned on a podcast I was listening to yesterday. Perhaps unsurprisingly he didn't last long, 3 wins in 12 games before getting the heave.

[CMurdoch]

“Frank Heaven...for little girls...” very good :greengrin

That is very good :greengrin :flag: