Joe Newell contract

[Unseen work]

Has anyone heard anything new about him signing a contract?

Only reason I ask is because in Boyle’s post match interview he makes a comment to Newell about if he’s signed that contract yet.

Does he know something we don’t?:greengrin

Getting Newell and Irvine tied up long term would be brilliant business. Them 2 with Gogic, Murphy, Magennis, Allan, Hallberg and potentially Mallan fighting for a place is great depth and quality.

[JohnM1875]

I'm in a weird place with Newell. Like him and appreciate what he offers the team. But folk slated McGeouch for his injury record. Newell can't be far off at his time at Hibs?

Also won and coped well without him the past few weeks.Like I said I do really like the guy and hope we sign him up. But worrying less and less about him as the weeks go by having him out a winning team.

[Ozyhibby]

I'm in a weird place with Newell. Like him and appreciate what he offers the team. But folk slated McGeouch for his injury record. Newell can't be far off at his time at Hibs?

Also won and coped well without him the past few weeks.Like I said I do really like the guy and hope we sign him up. But worrying less and less about him as the weeks go by having him out a winning team.

Don’t think his injury record is that bad is it? I wouldn’t have him in my first 11 though, doesn’t work hard enough off the ball. Does nice things with it but usually the other team win the midfield battle when he plays.


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[JohnM1875]

Don’t think his injury record is that bad is it? I wouldn’t have him in my first 11 though, doesn’t work hard enough off the ball. Does nice things with it but usually the other team win the midfield battle when he plays.


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Over the course of the two seasons he's been here I think it's pretty bad! Haven't checked though to be fair.

Just seems the slightest wee knock keeps him out for ages. This injury and the heel injury earlier in the season might be clouding my judgement to be fair.

[JimBHibees]

Heard he might be looking to buy house up here. Maybe nonsense but would love him to sign contract

[Brightside]

He won’t stay

[Onceinawhile]

Irvine has probably had more assists in his time with us than Joe newell.

I like him, but I wouldn't be gutted if he left.

[tamig]

He won’t stay

Here you come again with one of your proclamations which rarely - if ever - hold any substance. But I’ll bite again - although fully expect the usual invisible response. How do you know this?

[Nicho87]

Like newell but already would rather Irvine was tied down as a priority

[JohnM1875]

Here you come again with one of your proclamations which rarely - if ever - hold any substance. But I’ll bite again - although fully expect the usual invisible response. How do you know this?

Surely he doesn't know and he's only giving his opinion? 😂

[Since452]

He'd struggle to get back in the team right now. We've got a great balance at the moment with Gogic and Irvine in the middle. It's going to take an injury (hopefully Irvine ok) or a poor performance for him to get back in. He'll need to weigh it up. Fwiw I think he's a good player, a tidy player, and I'd like him to stay but I remain to be convinced he had the nastiness for a central midfielder in the Scottish top flight

[tamig]

Surely he doesn't know and he's only giving his opinion? 😂

Nah, there’s a theme there.

[Andy74]

He'd struggle to get back in the team right now. We've got a great balance at the moment with Gogic and Irvine in the middle. It's going to take an injury (hopefully Irvine ok) or a poor performance for him to get back in. He'll need to weigh it up. Fwiw I think he's a good player, a tidy player, and I'd like him to stay but I remain to be convinced he had the nastiness for a central midfielder in the Scottish top flight

He’s been a huge part of our season overall. He’d be great in a 3 with Gogic and Irvine.

Irvine is undoubtedly a better player but doubt we can afford him longer term.

In any case, over a season we need options and I’d be hoping we’d be able to keep him.

[jeffers]

I heard something that was possibly just putting two and two together but makes me think he won’t be staying. On his game a decent player but one of our top earners I think and not convinced he’s worth that. Hoping Scott Allan gets more game time, a better player than Newell imo. And Irvine is a different level, would rather we did all we can to tie him up to a longer deal.

[The Modfather]

He’s been a huge part of our season overall. He’d be great in a 3 with Gogic and Irvine.

Irvine is undoubtedly a better player but doubt we can afford him longer term.

In any case, over a season we need options and I’d be hoping we’d be able to keep him.

Think I’d probably play Newell instead of Gogic in games against the poorer teams or where we’re expected to be on the front foot. I think today was the best balance we’ve had and probably our best 5 (including the wingbacks) in midfield.

[supermcginn]

Here you come again with one of your proclamations which rarely - if ever - hold any substance. But I’ll bite again - although fully expect the usual invisible response. How do you know this?

Don't bite. He's the ultimate typical forum member that tries far too hard to pretend they are in the know.if he stays, good, if he doesn't, we move on.

[MWHIBBIES]

Don’t think his injury record is that bad is it? I wouldn’t have him in my first 11 though, doesn’t work hard enough off the ball. Does nice things with it but usually the other team win the midfield battle when he plays.


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Newell gogic Irvine would not lose midfield battles. Really isn't true that we usually lose the midfield with him in imo. He's been one of our best and most important players for the past year

[tamig]

Think I’d probably play Newell instead of Gogic in games against the poorer teams or where we’re expected to be on the front foot. I think today was the best balance we’ve had and probably our best 5 (including the wingbacks) in midfield.

There's been games this season against so called poorer teams where Gogic hasn’t played. And we’ve missed him. I think he offers much more than just being a midfield destroyer type. I think he’s a vital part of the midfield and should play every game. Just my opinion though.

[Ozyhibby]

Newell gogic Irvine would not lose midfield battles. Really isn't true that we usually lose the midfield with him in imo. He's been one of our best and most important players for the past year

Only because of Irvine and Gogic. You can’t drop either of those two. If Newall plays then it has to be Murphy or Boyle or Allan who sit out IMO.


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[Ozyhibby]

There's been games this season against so called poorer teams where Gogic hasn’t played. And we’ve missed him. I think he offers much more than just being a midfield destroyer type. I think he’s a vital part of the midfield and should play every game. Just my opinion though.

Agree. We’re not good enough to play anything less than what we think is our best team in every game.


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[hibbysam]

Don’t think his injury record is that bad is it? I wouldn’t have him in my first 11 though, doesn’t work hard enough off the ball. Does nice things with it but usually the other team win the midfield battle when he plays.


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You keep saying that, but he works as hard as anyone else. The reason we struggled in the middle is due to playing 2 v 3 most weeks as we played 4-4-2. Nothing to do with Newell’s workrate. His defensive positioning is actually very good and his quality on the ball is there for all to see (there’s no way we’d have lost the ball that much as we did today in that ten minute spell near the end had he been playing).

[Since452]

He’s been a huge part of our season overall. He’d be great in a 3 with Gogic and Irvine.

Irvine is undoubtedly a better player but doubt we can afford him longer term.

In any case, over a season we need options and I’d be hoping we’d be able to keep him.

Yeah definitely

[neil7908]

I want him to stay but if its between Newell or Jackson I know who I'd chose.

[Since452]

I want him to stay but if its between Newell or Jackson I know who I'd chose.

Been taken a back by how good Irvine is.

[Ozyhibby]

You keep saying that, but he works as hard as anyone else. The reason we struggled in the middle is due to playing 2 v 3 most weeks as we played 4-4-2. Nothing to do with Newell’s workrate. His defensive positioning is actually very good and his quality on the ball is there for all to see (there’s no way we’d have lost the ball that much as we did today in that ten minute spell near the end had he been playing).

He tends to just jog alongside players without putting proper contact on them. He gives players far too much space. It’s no coincidence that the midfield has looked stronger without him.


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[jacomo]

He’s been a huge part of our season overall. He’d be great in a 3 with Gogic and Irvine.

Irvine is undoubtedly a better player but doubt we can afford him longer term.

In any case, over a season we need options and I’d be hoping we’d be able to keep him.


:agree:

[jacomo]

Been taken a back by how good Irvine is.


He was great in the 2016 league cup final, and generally great for Ross County. He’s another Aussie international. I’m surprised so many Hibs fans didn’t seem to know what he could bring.

[hibbysam]

He tends to just jog alongside players without putting proper contact on them. He gives players far too much space. It’s no coincidence that the midfield has looked stronger without him.


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It’s looked stronger as we have two big guys in a three. He was a major part of our form in the first half of the season in which we won the majority of our games. Allows us to control games. Gogic isn’t being asked to cover every corner of the park, he sits in behind the midfield which is his best position, that’s not due to Newell being out, that’s due to us having three in the middle.

Averages more tackles per game than Gogic and obviously has far higher pass completion record which allows us to relieve pressure instead of handing the ball back to opposition.

[B.H.F.C]

He tends to just jog alongside players without putting proper contact on them. He gives players far too much space. It’s no coincidence that the midfield has looked stronger without him.


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Agree. Never been totally convinced by Newell. He’s obviously been good at times but I feel a lot more confident with Gogic and Irvine in there and I wouldn’t have Newell as the more advanced one in a three with them.

I don’t think I’d feel too differently if he were to stay or go.

[Iggy Pope]

Nah, there’s a theme there.

It’s basically not that’s important and theming on Hibs.net is pretty much like using your phone or other device to chat with that Candy Crush that never replies. If I’ve got it right since last time that is....:wink:

[Forza Fred]

I think we are in for rebuilding in the summer.

My belief is that Newell, Irvine Marciano, and Macey will choose not to renew and a couple of others will be moved on.

Add Porto and Nisbet and that’s a fair whack.

Rocky has been dropping hints he’ll move and Newell and Irvine will earn much more playing in the English Championship than we can pay them.

[Viva_Palmeiras]

I think we are in for rebuilding in the summer.

My belief is that Newell, Irvine Marciano, and Macey will choose not to renew and a couple of others will be moved on.

Add Porto and Nisbet and that’s a fair whack.

Rocky has been dropping hints he’ll move and Newell and Irvine will earn much more playing in the English Championship than we can pay them.

what if they make a career choice to play in Europe (provided we qualify)

[CMurdoch]

I think we are in for rebuilding in the summer.

My belief is that Newell, Irvine Marciano, and Macey will choose not to renew and a couple of others will be moved on.

Add Porto and Nisbet and that’s a fair whack.

Rocky has been dropping hints he’ll move and Newell and Irvine will earn much more playing in the English Championship than we can pay them.

Macey won't renew if Marciano does. He has sat for years doing very little at Arsenal so will be looking to be a teams number one from next season.
Irvine has started playing very well in the last 3 games which means one thing, he will get some good contract offers.
No idea whether Marciano or Newell will sign new contracts.

Marciano and Irvine are essential parts of the current team.

[Forza Fred]

Been taken a back by how good Irvine is.

Can only suggest this was due to lack of coverage of him reaching your tv screen.

In Oz we know his value due to him playing in the Socceroos, and with world cup qualifiers scheduled for the end of March, him playing for Hibs benefits both sides, as well as the player himself.

We ARE talking about a player here who made three appearances in the last world cup finals, is a current internationalist and up until Hull released him was captain of a Championship side.

Not many players running around in the SPL got that on their resume.

Hope he stays but can't see it unfortunately.

[Unseen work]

For as good as Newell and Marciano are, I can’t see them getting much better teams than Hibs.

Newell said a big reason for joining was he was bored of League 1 promotion/ Championshio relegation every season and he wanted a change. Help us get 3rd this season and play group stage European football next, what more can you want? Also far more chance of a cup here than in England for him.

Im also not convinced many teams in England would play him centrally.

Marciano again is very good for us and could probably earn a bit more money abroad but is that what he really wants at this age and with a new baby on the way?

Irvine is the one I’m nervous for, what a player he is. Others will have known how good he was but hesitant to take the risk, you’d never guess he hadn’t played football in 9 months.

[hibee-boys]

what if they make a career choice to play in Europe (provided we qualify)

So an employer comes to you and offers potentially 3 x your salary for the next 3 years, however, your current employer says “stay here, we’ll let you do your job in a different European city for 4 days next year!”. Which would you choose?

[Viva_Palmeiras]

So an employer comes to you and offers potentially 3 x your salary for the next 3 years, however, your current employer says “stay here, we’ll let you do your job in a different European city for 4 days next year!”. Which would you choose?

that’s my point - that’s the choice career goals.

if it was your ambition to play in Europe or win a cup you may for one season with it guaranteed (Europe) opt to defer taking the money. Do you not think qualifying for Europe and our run in Europe helped us keep SJM a little longer?

[hibee-boys]

that’s my point - that’s the choice career goals.

if it was your ambition to play in Europe or win a cup you may for one season with it guaranteed (Europe) opt to defer taking the money. Do you not think qualifying for Europe and our run in Europe helped us keep SJM a little longer?

Crossed wires I think, I was suggesting that a player wouldn’t give 2 hoots about playing in Europe for a few games if they’d been offered a higher salary elsewhere. Saying that if we can qualify for the European league stages, big if at the moment obviously, the club might have the resources to entice them to stay, I would imagine that is why Rocky and Newell are hanging fire and did not sign any pre-contracts in January.

[Tyler Durden]

Can only suggest this was due to lack of coverage of him reaching your tv screen.

In Oz we know his value due to him playing in the Socceroos, and with world cup qualifiers scheduled for the end of March, him playing for Hibs benefits both sides, as well as the player himself.

We ARE talking about a player here who made three appearances in the last world cup finals, is a current internationalist and up until Hull released him was captain of a Championship side.

Not many players running around in the SPL got that on their resume.

Hope he stays but can't see it unfortunately.

Let’s not forget Australia are a very average international side. And Jackson Irvine couldn’t get a move to a Championship team when he was available for free for 9 months.

This is his level and he’s a great player at this level. If we finish 3rd I think we have a great chance of keeping him.

Keep him and Newell and we can be looking at consolidating 3rd place for next few years

[Keith_M]

So an employer comes to you and offers potentially 3 x your salary for the next 3 years, however, your current employer says “stay here, we’ll let you do your job in a different European city for 4 days next year!”. Which would you choose?


I'm actually quite rich, so I'd probably choose the 'play in Europe' option.


Problem is, I'm old and past it and was never that good at football, so I'm not sure it would work out that well...

[Tyler Durden]

Irvine has been brilliant but we haven’t moved to a new level with him in there. We’ve just beaten an Aberdeen side who ran out of luck.

Otherwise we’ve beaten teams that we beat earlier in the year with Newell playing. And we had a shocker vs St Johnstone without Newell.

Newell was great home and away vs Rangers and was one of the few to emerge with any credit from the Hearts game. He’ll likely be our POTY.

[Brightside]

Here you come again with one of your proclamations which rarely - if ever - hold any substance. But I’ll bite again - although fully expect the usual invisible response. How do you know this?

Just giving my opinion. Calm down dear.

[Brightside]

Don't bite. He's the ultimate typical forum member that tries far too hard to pretend they are in the know.if he stays, good, if he doesn't, we move on.

No need. Are you the typical forum member that just complains about Hibs all the time? To be very clear if you don’t like stuff I post just add me to ignore. The site is much better when you do that. 👍

[Forza Fred]

Let’s not forget Australia are a very average international side. And Jackson Irvine couldn’t get a move to a Championship team when he was available for free for 9 months.

This is his level and he’s a great player at this level. If we finish 3rd I think we have a great chance of keeping him.

Keep him and Newell and we can be looking at consolidating 3rd place for next few years

Your opinion is that his level is the SPL, and you are entitled to that.

Having seen him over a number of years, not just a matter of weeks I think you are underestimating his ability.

I accept that Australia are a ‘very average side’....after all they are all of 3 places behind Scotland in the FIFA World rankings.

I have little doubt that Irvine will move at the end of the season, but hope I am wrong.

[Hibbyradge]

Crossed wires I think, I was suggesting that a player wouldn’t give 2 hoots about playing in Europe for a few games if they’d been offered a higher salary elsewhere. Saying that if we can qualify for the European league stages, big if at the moment obviously, the club might have the resources to entice them to stay, I would imagine that is why Rocky and Newell are hanging fire and did not sign any pre-contracts in January.

Playing in Europe raises a player's profile, gains him valuable and sought after experience, and comparitively few players get the opportunity to play in a European competition so the idea that someone would defer their move because of it is not as fanciful as you're suggesting.

The Ferrari can wait another few months.

In Nisbet's case, however, playing in the Champions League final wouldn't be tempting enough to stop him lining his pockets.

[JimBHibees]

He’s been a huge part of our season overall. He’d be great in a 3 with Gogic and Irvine.

Irvine is undoubtedly a better player but doubt we can afford him longer term.

In any case, over a season we need options and I’d be hoping we’d be able to keep him.

Agree that 3 in centre midfield would be superb. Good mix of quality athleticism and physicality. Think Newell would link very well with Irvine.

[superfurryhibby]

Your opinion is that his level is the SPL, and you are entitled to that.

Having seen him over a number of years, not just a matter of weeks I think you are underestimating his ability.

I accept that Australia are a ‘very average side’....after all they are all of 3 places behind Scotland in the FIFA World rankings.

I have little doubt that Irvine will move at the end of the season, but hope I am wrong.

If Hibs finish third then I would imagine we will see continued investment in players. We should be pushing the boat out for Irvine and getting him signed up. Nine months without a club must be a bit of a shock for any player. Who knows whether the World Cup will take place and he will need to be playing somewhere if it is and he wants involved.

There’s no doubt that there’s more to come from Irvine, he’s still getting up to speed in terms of match fitness.

[Hibbyradge]

Your opinion is that his level is the SPL, and you are entitled to that.

Having seen him over a number of years, not just a matter of weeks I think you are underestimating his ability.

I accept that Australia are a ‘very average side’....after all they are all of 3 places behind Scotland in the FIFA World rankings.

I have little doubt that Irvine will move at the end of the season, but hope I am wrong.

I agree with you. He's arguably our best player and looks far too good for Hibs to be able to keep him, but maybe that's because of the style of players we've been used to watching for the last couple of years!

The hiatus in his career is a strange one though. He was formally released by Hull last June although I'm not sure when he last played for them, but no-one picked him up.

It would be interesting to learn why that happened. Mind you, he went 6/7 months without a salary although he must have had contract offers, so money doesn't seem to be his prime motivator.

We'll see.

[Souter96Mac]

I wonder if Hibs are trying to do the maths, should we finish 3rd this season, and what group stage football would mean financially (should the cup not go ahead).

The money that comes with that, alongside the almost inevitable sales of Porto and/or Nisbet, you'd like to think we would be in a pretty stable position.

Once this is cleared up, it might make these conversations with players easier?

[Forza Fred]

I agree with you. He's arguably our best player and looks far too good for Hibs to be able to keep him, but maybe that's because of the style of players we've been used to watching for the last couple of years!

The hiatus in his career is a strange one though. He was formally released by Hull last June although I'm not sure when he last played for them, but no-one picked him up.

It would be interesting to learn why that happened. Mind you, he went 6/7 months without a salary although he must have had contract offers, so money doesn't seem to be his prime motivator.

We'll see.

There were four released at the end of their contracts.

Why he wasn’t picked up earlier is one of life’s mysteries.

He has been quoted as saying that he did receive offers but none were suitable

I strongly suspect Hibs were successful in signing him for two reasons.

One is that they agreed to sign him on a short term contract allowing him to be able to put himself in the shop window and assess his future at the end of the season, and the other being that unless he was playing regularly at a reasonable standard, then his place in the Socceroo squad was in jeopardy.

World Cup qualifiers are scheduled for late March, and the Oz manager has let it be known in the past that if you aren’t playing regularly then you have little chance of being picked.

Jackson turned down an offer 3 or so years ago to go China on a reported wage of $160,000 a week...yes the zeros are correct, but instead chose to continue to play in the Uk.

That suggests he is not JUST about money, but by the same token, it could be a case at the end of the season of choosing to sign for Hibs for 5k a week or a Championship side for $20k a week.

As you say...we shall see which one he opts for.

[Greenbeard]

So an employer comes to you and offers potentially 3 x your salary for the next 3 years, however, your current employer says “stay here, we’ll let you do your job in a different European city for 4 days next year!”. Which would you choose?
I'd want both - a lifetime experience in the short term and improved finances in the long term - so I would extend my stay but be clear I'd be looking to move in the January window.

[Fergus52]

I don't know how anyone can moan about Jack Ross's poor style of football and also say they're not fussed about Newell extending.

In my eyes he's easily been our most consistently entertaining player this season and would probably still be my player of the season, despite recent injuries.

Every match this season where we have actually looked entertaining and been great to watch he has been at the heart of it. St Mirren, Motherwell and Hamilton away games he was a joy to watch, playing great passes from deep, taking players on, dictating the tempo. How many players in the SPL have the quality to go to ibrox and properly control the midfield for spells of the game, twice that match he took several players on before setting up a chance - even Callum Macgregor struggles to do that there.

Gogic is a very useful player to have but no way should he be starting every week, especially if you are expecting hibs to play an entertaining brand of football. The match at tannadice was painful to watch mainly due to the lack of quality in a midfield battle containing Fuchs, Butcher and Gogic - none of whom can properly receive the ball on the half turn or play good passes other than the direction they're already facing. I'm also convinced the St Mirren game would have been much better on the eye had Newell been fit over Gogic.

After Glen Kamara he's probably been the best deep-lying play maker in the league this season. His first touch, passing and positional awareness in midfield is a cut above most CMs in this league. He's also very intelligent at knowing when to move the ball quickly and when to slow the play down: recycling the ball sideways through the midfield when we need to calm things down and get a breather, or progressing the ball vertically at pace when there are gaps in the oppositions defence to exploit on the counter.

People have pointed to his lack of goals and assists but that's not what you're really looking for from a deep lying playmaker, when he plays we are much better to watch and he brings all the qualities I have outlined above. McGeough was one of our most effective players in a simliar role in 17/18 and didn't get many assists either. Same with Kamara at Rangers or MacGregor at Celtic.

I think Newell and Irvine is a great pairing for when we play the back 5 and will compliment each other well, then we will have Gogic to bring on if we are defending a lead or who can start if we think we need a bit more physicality in midfield for a one off game.

[Tyler Durden]

There were four released at the end of their contracts.

Why he wasn’t picked up earlier is one of life’s mysteries.

He has been quoted as saying that he did receive offers but none were suitable

I strongly suspect Hibs were successful in signing him for two reasons.

One is that they agreed to sign him on a short term contract allowing him to be able to put himself in the shop window and assess his future at the end of the season, and the other being that unless he was playing regularly at a reasonable standard, then his place in the Socceroo squad was in jeopardy.

World Cup qualifiers are scheduled for late March, and the Oz manager has let it be known in the past that if you aren’t playing regularly then you have little chance of being picked.

Jackson turned down an offer 3 or so years ago to go China on a reported wage of $160,000 a week...yes the zeros are correct, but instead chose to continue to play in the Uk.

That suggests he is not JUST about money, but by the same token, it could be a case at the end of the season of choosing to sign for Hibs for 5k a week or a Championship side for $20k a week.

As you say...we shall see which one he opts for.

I do agree that he’s good enough to get back to the Championship but in reality that would be at another Hull or a Rotherham, lower half teams.

If Hibs get this European money the gap between our offer and what he can get down south reduces. Interesting to see how it plays out.