Official site - data analytics

[Peevemor]

Good stuff, though I think it's the first time I've had to reread the odd paragraph on an official site article to make sure I understood everything properly.

I'm still not sure if I do.

https://www.hibernianfc.co.uk/article/the-boot-room-data-analytics-with-calvin-charlton

[worcesterhibby]

I just read it and thought it was a wonderful example of 10 paragraphs of jargon filled waffle that told me pretty much zilch.

[MartinfaePorty]

As someone who finds this sort of thing fascinating, it seems to boil down to try and affect those things that you can, with the acknowledgement that there are always factors that are more arbitrary than others (bad ref decisions, ball taking a bobble, player who hasn't scored in years scoring a 30-yard screamer). Get players drilled properly and muscle memory takes over.

Also the mental side of the game is so important. Players in the right mindset will perform better, but different players need different approaches.

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[CMurdoch]

Slowly sucking the life and unpredictability out of the game

[gbhibby]

Cathroesque.

[thegaffer12]

Cathroesque.

At least we've not employed him as manager.

[brianmc]

I was hoping he might explain why our corners and free kicks this season have been far and away the worst I've seen in 30+ years of being a season ticket holder. Sadly not.

[Vault Boy]

Data analysis is integral in both recruitment and coaching, Calvin seems very passionate about his work and is clearly highly thought of at the Club.

This is a good piece. I'm always keen on Hibs opening the curtains a wee bit and giving the fans an insight into the day-to-day operations.

[gbhibby]

I was hoping he might explain why our corners and free kicks this season have been far and away the worst I've ever seen in 30+ years of being a season ticket holder. Sadly not.
We also need to sort out our throw-ins

[scoopyboy]

I was hoping he might explain why our corners and free kicks this season have been far and away the worst I've seen in 30+ years of being a season ticket holder. Sadly not.

I actually think our throw ins are a bit better this season, previous seasons have been very poor.

[RyeSloan]

I was hoping he might explain why our corners and free kicks this season have been far and away the worst I've seen in 30+ years of being a season ticket holder. Sadly not.

Do you have the statistical analysis to back that up? [emoji12]

In all seriousness that’s exactly what this type of analysis will actually show.

[Lago]

I was hoping he might explain why our corners and free kicks this season have been far and away the worst I've seen in 30+ years of being a season ticket holder. Sadly not.
Or take a decent throw in.

[SChibs]

Cathroesque.

Weird comment, do you not think every club in the Premier League employs multiple data analysts? Are Liverpool cathroesque?

[GRA]

Fascinating read. Analytics is certainly the way forward in football. As he says it will never be 100% accurate but even if it gives you a slight gain, in a game where margins between teams can be incredibly tight, that can make all the difference.

[gbhibby]

Weird comment, do you not think every club in the Premier League employs multiple data analysts? Are Liverpool cathroesque?
It was meant to be a lighthearted comment.

[Hibee Mac]

Hmm, I'm very into data analytics and so on, and I'm also very keen on the club communicating more with fans.

That being said, I have to say that was 5 mins of my life I'll never get back [emoji23] could have written "we use data analytics on set pieces" that would have done the trick

[brog]

I was hoping he might explain why our corners and free kicks this season have been far and away the worst I've seen in 30+ years of being a season ticket holder. Sadly not.

5 of our last 7 goals have come from set pieces.

[Peevemor]

5 of our last 7 goals have come from set pieces.Stop ruining a good moan !

[brog]

Stop ruining a good moan !

I know, it's funny, I was just bemoaning to myself our lack of goals from open play. In fact Boyle's goal against Dundee Utd was the 1st open play goal scored by a Hibs player since the 23rd of December. I suspect our proportion of set play goals this season must be one of our highest.

[SChibs]

It was meant to be a lighthearted comment.

Fair enough, my bad!

[gbhibby]

Fair enough, my bad!
No problem just the language used reminded me of Cathro's after match interviews Schematics etc. Cathro seems to walk into jobs down south. I think the scientific stuff has its place in the game but we can also have paralysis by analysis.

[worcesterhibby]

Data analysis is integral in both recruitment and coaching, Calvin seems very passionate about his work and is clearly highly thought of at the Club.

This is a good piece. I'm always keen on Hibs opening the curtains a wee bit and giving the fans an insight into the day-to-day operations.

I agree that data analysis is important in the modern game, I just disagree that “This is a good piece” it isn’t, it’s 10 paragraphs of waffle that tell us nothing. I’m sure the guy is a great bloke and doing a good job.

[Viva_Palmeiras]

https://youtu.be/ZqvE5GByjzI

[Brightside]

I agree that data analysis is important in the modern game, I just disagree that “This is a good piece” it isn’t, it’s 10 paragraphs of waffle that tell us nothing. I’m sure the guy is a great bloke and doing a good job.

Yep. Nobody is learning much from the article. Plenty good stuff online for the nerds on the board. 👍

[RyeSloan]

I agree that data analysis is important in the modern game, I just disagree that “This is a good piece” it isn’t, it’s 10 paragraphs of waffle that tell us nothing. I’m sure the guy is a great bloke and doing a good job.

Yeah it would have been nice for them to have given some actual stats on a piece about stats!

Giving some evidence of how he had actually helped to improve our results would also have helped to prevent some of the cynicism on this thread and what is referenced in the piece itself.

So showing that in the 6 years he has been at the club he has seen our xG from set pieces go from x to y as his stats had identified a particular weakness in our play that he had passed onto the manager.

Or x player had a certain poor stat that he has discussed with the coaches and over a period of 6 - 12 months has improved that by whatever percentage.

Real life examples of value being added would have added some value to the piece itself !

[worcesterhibby]

https://youtu.be/ZqvE5GByjzI

I presume that’s aimed mainly at me, actually I’m generally a paid up member of the happy clapper club, just have a browse through some of my other posts, but I write for a living and I guess I tend to expect more from an article than others might.

[FilipinoHibs]

Do you have the statistical analysis to back that up? [emoji12]

In all seriousness that’s exactly what this type of analysis will actually show.

Recent games without Allan, Mallan and Halberg, the corners have been poor. Although Boyle's one against ST Mirren was good. Maybe try Cadden or Doug who put good balls into the box.

The throwins I think have suffered from waiting for the designated thrower to arrive to take the throw in. By then everybody is marked up and is all very static. Recently, have seen in some cases first to the ball take the throw and our players are in more space.

On corners a stat from EPL shows that a team scores from a corner once every ten games. Points to trying some moves from the corner rather than deliver straight into the box.

[lucky]

It is a fairly boring article that is not an easy read that said the nerd who does the data is boring so I’m not surprised. He just part of Mattie’s wee gang that have got them themselves promoted and somehow made to be important. Why did Hibs get rid of coaches and other back room staff but keep this department?

[JohnMcM]

Stop ruining a good moan !

:faf::faf::faf:

[overdrive]

Recent games without Allan, Mallan and Halberg, the corners have been poor. Although Boyle's one against ST Mirren was good. Maybe try Cadden or Doug who put good balls into the box.

The throwins I think have suffered from waiting for the designated thrower to arrive to take the throw in. By then everybody is marked up and is all very static. Recently, have seen in some cases first to the ball take the throw and our players are in more space.

On corners a stat from EPL shows that a team scores from a corner once every ten games. Points to trying some moves from the corner rather than deliver straight into the box.

Yeah I read a stat which showed you are far more likely to score following a short corner than by just putting it in the box, despite the usual groans you get from fans about “wasted opportunities” when a short corner is taken.

[Viva_Palmeiras]

I presume that’s aimed mainly at me, actually I’m generally a paid up member of the happy clapper club, just have a browse through some of my other posts, but I write for a living and I guess I tend to expect more from an article than others might.

Apologies WH - not what my intention was I should have added a smiley but was having a tussle with embedding the video hence the edit. It was a general comment (actually perhaps belongs on a daft light hearted thread on songs for Happy Clappers/Bed Wetters). Sorry.

[seanshow]

My probably misguided theory is that teams waste so many attempts at crossing ( in/out swinging, floated, driven ect.)
that never make the target or even beat the first man most of the time,
that I would propose getting your foot under it and lobbing it vertically into the box Sunday league style lol,
I genuinely think we would create more chances from headers or scrambled breaks of the ball...
But then I'm not paid to decide thankfully. :greengrin

[RyeSloan]

It is a fairly boring article that is not an easy read that said the nerd who does the data is boring so I’m not surprised. He just part of Mattie’s wee gang that have got them themselves promoted and somehow made to be important. Why did Hibs get rid of coaches and other back room staff but keep this department?

Because against the managers wishes, who sees no value in their input, Hibs got rid of a coach who was much more useful to him instead...

Those that control the power clique inside Easter Road have suggested this was done to teach him to not even think about messing with Mattie’s wee gang again.

[Vault Boy]

It is a fairly boring article that is not an easy read that said the nerd who does the data is boring so I’m not surprised. He just part of Mattie’s wee gang that have got them themselves promoted and somehow made to be important. Why did Hibs get rid of coaches and other back room staff but keep this department?

Spoken like a highschool bully and conspiracy theorist all at once.

[Beefster]

Slowly sucking the life and unpredictability out of the game

How so?

[Pretty Boy]

It's not a great article as it doesn't really say a lot despite using a lot of words.

Some of the camera equipment at East Mains and a fair bit of the gear in the 'black room' was bought using one of the donations by hibs.net. A few of us were lucky enough to get down to see it and watched a presentation by Calvin and it was really interesting.

Calvin told us that at that time every player got an individual video analysis and related data made for them weekly but it was optional as to whether they chose to watch and read it. Jason Cummings was one who never bothered. One day he saw Anthony Stokes sitting studying the information provided for him. A few days later he sheepishly put his head round the door and asked if he could maybe have a look at his, he was a convert after that.

[JohnStephens91]

Good stuff, though I think it's the first time I've had to reread the odd paragraph on an official site article to make sure I understood everything properly.

I'm still not sure if I do.

https://www.hibernianfc.co.uk/article/the-boot-room-data-analytics-with-calvin-charlton

I work in communications, I previously worked for the club, and I wouldn't have made this piece so hard to understand.

It's clear that Edd is a very competent writer, but he has failed to deliver an easy-to-read article about Calvin and his role at the club. The issue is that he has made his own writing around it filled with jargon and it is quite lengthy too. A piece like this to a diverse audience, like the Hibs support, should have been written with shorter and clearer sentences containing little to no jargon.

The lack of quotes from Calvin doesn't help explain anything either. This is a piece you'd expect to see in a magazine aimed at football hipsters - no offence intended to that group.

[660]

Met Calvin in Greece. Nice guy

[worcesterhibby]

Apologies WH - not what my intention was I should have added a smiley but was having a tussle with embedding the video hence the edit. It was a general comment (actually perhaps belongs on a daft light hearted thread on songs for Happy Clappers/Bed Wetters). Sorry.

no worries :greengrin:greengrin