Livingston alleged COVID breach.

[H18 SFR]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/55942914

Seems to be a never ending cycle of nonsense.

[Since452]

More poor judgement by a football club

[H18 SFR]

I don’t understand how they can suggest as the restaurant was closed it was ok to dine there.

It makes no sense. Would it be ok for me to go for a haircut today because the barbers are closed?

[Peevemor]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/55942914

Seems to be a never ending cycle of nonsense.

Apart from being their sponsors, Livi players aren't employees of Tony Macaroni. For me Livi eating at their restaurants basically amounts to a private function which would be against current regulations.

It's not for the SFA/SPFL to decide whether Livi had the right, but the police could use some common sense in this instance IMO.

[duffers]

I don’t think they have done anything wrong, especially as they got pre-approval from the JRG 🤷*♀️. I’d be shocked if any other clubs weren’t doing something similar.

[CraigHibee]

absolutely ridiculous

[18Craig75]

My brother is at Uni in Dundee and saw the Livi team in Toni Macs earlier in the season. No social distancing at all.

[blackpoolhibs]

10 point deduction please. :greengrin

[SHODAN]

Well the precedent has already been set that uhhh, I dunno?

[MrRobot]

Should have went to Dubai instead.

[Sylar]

The club have a long-standing agreement with Tony Macaronis to use them for their pre-match meals. They explicltly asked the SFA/JRG if this was allowed to continue in line with the Government advice (which explicitly has an exemption around closed premises 'for the purposes of elite sport') and were told yes.

ALL teams who travel for matches have to eat somewhere beforehand and most use hotel restaurants - regulations which are now being changed and will impact all clubs playing away from home.

[GonzoReturns]

The club have a long-standing agreement with Tony Macaronis to use them for their pre-match meals. They explicltly asked the SFA/JRG if this was allowed to continue in line with the Government advice (which explicitly has an exemption around closed premises 'for the purposes of elite sport') and were told yes.

ALL teams who travel for matches have to eat somewhere beforehand and most use hotel restaurants - regulations which are now being changed and will impact all clubs playing away from home.

That’s the thing where are clubs allowed to eat especially when travelling?!? What a society we live in grassing folk up.

[PaulSmith]

More poor judgement by a football club

Shocking lack of clarity and lack of understanding of what is a material risk at the Scot Govt and SFA.


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[calumhibee1]

The club have a long-standing agreement with Tony Macaronis to use them for their pre-match meals. They explicltly asked the SFA/JRG if this was allowed to continue in line with the Government advice (which explicitly has an exemption around closed premises 'for the purposes of elite sport') and were told yes.

ALL teams who travel for matches have to eat somewhere beforehand and most use hotel restaurants - regulations which are now being changed and will impact all clubs playing away from home.

If that’s the case then I’m not sure they’ve done much wrong really.

[Peevemor]

Shocking lack of clarity and lack of understanding of what is a material risk at the Scot Govt and SFA.


I don't know how you get that. There isn't any more risk using a 'closed' Tony Macaroni than a hotel restaurant.

What's strange is the police involvement if the JRG gave their approval.

I don't know, but maybe there was more than just the Livingston FC players/party in the restaurant, eg. as guests of their sponsor???

[Sylar]

That’s the thing where are clubs allowed to eat especially when travelling?!? What a society we live in grassing folk up.

That's the question - every club eat together somewhere prior to games (part of the nutrition process in preparation for a match). If restaurants/hotels are now off limits, where do teams travelling long distances (especially to the likes of Aberdeen) eat? Drive-thru McDonald's on the team bus...?

[H18 SFR]

it is apparently is about part of the group in the restaurant being from out with the football bubble. Basically a director and sponsor piss up and dinner by the sounds of it with no distancing between the elite athletes and folk out the bubble.

[H18 SFR]

That's the question - every club eat together somewhere prior to games (part of the nutrition process in preparation for a match). If restaurants/hotels are now off limits, where do teams travelling long distances (especially to the likes of Aberdeen) eat? Drive-thru McDonald's on the team bus...?

I know it’s not ideal and I’m not suggesting it is, however at athletics events etc you regularly see elite athletes eating (probably more realistically described as taking on fuel/calories) trackside etc. Same at the cycling in my experience at the Glasgow 2014 games etc. It’s not ideal but elite athletes are accustomed to it.

[Keith_M]

10 point deduction please. :greengrin


Don't be silly.







Twenty points, at the very least!

:greengrin

[Carheenlea]

Don`t really see what the big deal is if the restaurant is being used as a pre match facility for players.

Players will end up having to take a packed lunch with them now for away games. Cheese and Ham roll, packet of wotsits, a snickers and a can of Dr Pepper.

[monarch]

[QUOTE=H18 SFR;6455068]I don’t understand how they can suggest as the restaurant was closed it was ok to dine there.

It makes no sense. Would it be ok for me to go for a haircut today because the barbers are closed?[/

The thing is professional/elite footballers have special privileges that don’t apply to others. These should be set out via the Scottish Government, SFA and the Joint Response Group. Whether there has been any breakdown in communication is another matter. I certainly don’t fancy travelling and returning from Aberdeen without anything to eat. Carrying a bag of sandwiches doesn’t quite cut it.
As has been mentioned elsewhere a week in Dubai would have absolved them from any criticism.

[H18 SFR]

[QUOTE=H18 SFR;6455068]I don’t understand how they can suggest as the restaurant was closed it was ok to dine there.

It makes no sense. Would it be ok for me to go for a haircut today because the barbers are closed?[/

The thing is professional/elite footballers have special privileges that don’t apply to others. These should be set out via the Scottish Government, SFA and the Joint Response Group. Whether there has been any breakdown in communication is another matter. I certainly don’t fancy travelling and returning from Aberdeen without anything to eat. Carrying a bag of sandwiches doesn’t quite cut it.
As has been mentioned elsewhere a week in Dubai would have absolved them from any criticism.

I genuinely do get where folk are coming from, elite footballers need to eat. I bet elite ICU nurses wish they could go to a restaurant before their night shift starts, must be a nightmare having to have a sandwich...

[Sylar]

I genuinely do get where folk are coming from, elite footballers need to eat. I bet elite ICU nurses wish they could go to a restaurant before their night shift starts, must be a nightmare having to have a sandwich...

You are aware most hospital canteens are operational for the purpose of said nurses/in-patients, right?

[Newry Hibs]

Don`t really see what the big deal is if the restaurant is being used as a pre match facility for players.

Players will end up having to take a packed lunch with them now for away games. Cheese and Ham roll, packet of wotsits, a snickers and a can of Dr Pepper.

And all eaten within the first ten minutes of the journey

[Peevemor]

A Police Scotland spokesperson said: "We were made aware of a football team present within a restaurant in the city centre on Tuesday, 2 February, 2021. We're conducting enquiries to establish if any coronavirus restrictions were breached."

I think this is the important part. I'd think that if there were only Livi players & staff then there won't be a problem.

[H18 SFR]

You are aware most hospital canteens are operational for the purpose of said nurses/in-patients, right?

Not in NHS Ayrshire and Arran where my wife works. They were closed as staff were mixing there from Red and Green wards. Can’t speak for other NHS areas though. So in my own (limited) experience, they are closed.

Essentially, staff on wards were dining in stations in that ward.

Edit - just spoke to her. They are reopened but staff from red wards are not allowed to use them. They eat in the station on he ward. So, ICU staff will not have canteens.

[Keith_M]

Where do other teams go for a pre-match meal?


I really hope Hibs have a packed lunch in a service station car park... dressed in sack cloth and ashes... or I'll be absolutely raging and arrange a protest.


https://www.irishtimes.com/polopoly_fs/1.4299207.1594215250!/image/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/landscape_620/image.jpg

[Jim44]

Private and exclusive use of a specially sanitised restaurant is probably much safer than using a hotel restaurant. Fuss over nothing.

[danhibees1875]

Private and exclusive use of a specially sanitised restaurant is probably much safer than using a hotel restaurant. Fuss over nothing.

:agree:

[Forza Fred]

If it gets too hard for fitba clubs to comply with any regulations because they are ‘elite’ sportsmen, then the risk is run that the govt just say..’If it’s too hard we’ll just finish the season now, and you can just do the same as everybody else’

[500miles]

Seems like a good solution, keeping the team away from the general public, eating in a similar environment they train in.

This is faux outrage to try and generate potential whataboutary from clubs who are actually taking the piss, like Celtic.

[Hibbyradge]

That’s the thing where are clubs allowed to eat especially when travelling?!? What a society we live in grassing folk up.

A discussion about the ethics of reporting people for wrong doing would be interesting.

Keeping quiet is condonance, no?

Would you criticise someone for reporting a rape or child abuse?

[Since452]

Don`t really see what the big deal is if the restaurant is being used as a pre match facility for players.

Players will end up having to take a packed lunch with them now for away games. Cheese and Ham roll, packet of wotsits, a snickers and a can of Dr Pepper.

Who drinks Dr Pepper? Awful stuff

[Hibbyradge]

Don't be silly.







Twenty points, at the very least!

:greengrin

You're being daft. Deductions should be in multiples of three. 21 for example.

[Keith_M]

A discussion about the ethics of reporting people for wrong doing would be interesting.

Keeping quiet is condonance, no?

Would you criticise someone for reporting a rape or child abuse?



Is that what they were doing? Jeezo, this is even worse than I thought!


We should chop their balls off and turn them into Spaghetti Bolognese.

:grr:

[calumhibee1]

Who drinks Dr Pepper? Awful stuff

Elite fizzy juice.

[Keith_M]

Elite fizzy juice.



Given their amazing run of form since you-know-who took over, I'd be very interested in what they're putting in the fizzy juice.


:hmmm:

[Dazzjw1875]

Apparently they have had 6 members test positive for covid? Guy at work just said its about to be public.

[hibbyfraelibby]

Where do other teams go for a pre-match meal?


I really hope Hibs have a packed lunch in a service station car park... dressed in sack cloth and ashes... or I'll be absolutely raging and arrange a protest.


https://www.irishtimes.com/polopoly_fs/1.4299207.1594215250!/image/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/landscape_620/image.jpg

I think Hibs along with Aberdeen, Rangers and Celtic use buses with on board kitchens

[Andy74]

it is apparently is about part of the group in the restaurant being from out with the football bubble. Basically a director and sponsor piss up and dinner by the sounds of it with no distancing between the elite athletes and folk out the bubble.

There aren't bubbles.

[scoopyboy]

I think Hibs along with Aberdeen, Rangers and Celtic use buses with on board kitchens

Hibs now have to take more than one team bus I believe, possibly as many as three.

The catering company who used to travel with the players now have to travel independently with the food.

I hope I have this correct.

[Scouse Hibee]

Absolutely nothing wrong with what they have done, pre match meal at a private venue is what most clubs do.

[scoopyboy]

Absolutely nothing wrong with what they have done, pre match meal at a private venue is what most clubs do.

100% Hibs do not have a meal at a private venue.

[Smartie]

I think Hibs along with Aberdeen, Rangers and Celtic use buses with on board kitchens

Rangers ate at the Malmaison before the game at Easter Road.

My partner was out running and went past - she came back and asked me if we were playing Hamilton that night because there were loads of "football looking" people milling around and there were a few buses had "Park's of Hamilton" written on them.

[Keith_M]

Apparently they have had 6 members test positive for covid? Guy at work just said its about to be public.


Are they testing them for anything else?

[Scouse Hibee]

100% Hibs do not have a meal at a private venue.

Maybe so but most do so I don’t see the issue.

[scoopyboy]

Maybe so but most do so I don’t see the issue.

The issue is football probably isn't that far away from being shut down and things like this don't help.

I now see this practice has been stopped according to Livingston statement so it looks like other people do see the issue.

[gbhibby]

Should have got a takeaway like everyone else.

[ancient hibee]

The issue is football probably isn't that far away from being shut down and things like this don't help.

I now see this practice has been stopped according to Livingston statement so it looks like other people do see the issue.

I don’t think that football is anywhere near being closed down.Why should it be? Considering the amount of activity and difficulty involved the number of incidents and contribution to any spread of the virus are tiny.

[Scouse Hibee]

The issue is football probably isn't that far away from being shut down and things like this don't help.

I now see this practice has been stopped according to Livingston statement so it looks like other people do see the issue.

Things like a team meeting together for a pre match meal, the outrage is ridiculous but typical of the times.

[Barney McGrew]

Things like a team meeting together for a pre match meal, the outrage is ridiculous but typical of the times.

A team gathering shouldn’t be an issue as long as the appropriate social distancing is in place.

You’d have to question the need for directors and sponsors to be there. And I’m sure the JRG will too.

[147lothian]

Players are tested regular, and would also have had the vaccine, the restaurant uses a sanitizer, I can't see what the fuss is about? What are people going to complain about next, they never used social distance on the park so the 3 points shouldn't stand?:bitchy:

[blackpoolhibs]

Players are tested regular, and would also have had the vaccine, the restaurant uses a sanitizer, I can't see what the fuss is about? What are people going to complain about next, they never used social distance on the park so the 3 points shouldn't stand?:bitchy:

I dont think that is true? :confused:

[scoopyboy]

I don’t think that football is anywhere near being closed down.Why should it be? Considering the amount of activity and difficulty involved the number of incidents and contribution to any spread of the virus are tiny.

How many times has Nichola Sturgeon said a yellow card to Scottish football and a red will be next?

Aberdeen and Celtic at the start of the season.

Kilmarnock and St.Mirren who were guilty of not following procedures.

Celtic in Dubai.

And now following Livingston issue (and I'm not saying they broke rules as they were given permission) the rules have been changed again.

I agree that the contribution is tiny but it's not me and you that call the shots.

[147lothian]

I dont think that is true? :confused:

10 and a half million people in the UK have now had the first vaccine are football players not a priority group?

[ancient hibee]

How many times has Nichola Sturgeon said a yellow card to Scottish football and a red will be next?

Aberdeen and Celtic at the start of the season.

Kilmarnock and St.Mirren who were guilty of not following procedures.

Celtic in Dubai.

And now following Livingston issue (and I'm not saying they broke rules as they were given permission) the rules have been changed again.

I agree that the contribution is tiny but it's not me and you that call the shots.

I think what puts it in perspective is that in the last weekly figures there were another 100 deaths in care homes,the area where every stop is being pulled out to keep people safe. The major worries for the SG are much nearer home than the odd football transgression.

[lord bunberry]

10 and a half million people in the UK have now had the first vaccine are football players not a priority group?
No.

[Sir David Gray]

10 and a half million people in the UK have now had the first vaccine are football players not a priority group?

No.

[cabbageandribs1875]

10 and a half million people in the UK have now had the first vaccine are football players not a priority group?


the FIFA president said the other day footballers should not be considered a priority group....and neither they should be imo

[scoopyboy]

I think what puts it in perspective is that in the last weekly figures there were another 100 deaths in care homes,the area where every stop is being pulled out to keep people safe. The major worries for the SG are much nearer home than the odd football transgression.

I get that but they've stopped all football below Championship in Scotland and there was no huge risk there either.

[Oscar T Grouch]

10 and a half million people in the UK have now had the first vaccine are football players not a priority group?

Priority groups are those who are more likely to die if the catch Covid, not those that have a higher exposure to it. While footballers are at a higher risk, they are all generally fit and health young men.

[silverhibee]

That's the question - every club eat together somewhere prior to games (part of the nutrition process in preparation for a match). If restaurants/hotels are now off limits, where do teams travelling long distances (especially to the likes of Aberdeen) eat? Drive-thru McDonald's on the team bus...?

Don't know about now but Hibs done away with players meeting up for meal before home games a good while a go, the club relied on the players to have the proper diet before games and they would just turn up at ER for game at 1 o'clock, I'm sure they will be doing the same for away games and the bus will have some food on it as well at this time.

[147lothian]

breaking news, not only were the Livingston team spotted eating in a restaurant but they were spotted doing so without their masks on.

[JimBHibees]

it is apparently is about part of the group in the restaurant being from out with the football bubble. Basically a director and sponsor piss up and dinner by the sounds of it with no distancing between the elite athletes and folk out the bubble.

If that's is the case they should be hammered

[lord bunberry]

breaking news, not only were the Livingston team spotted eating in a restaurant but they were spotted doing so without their masks on.
They need some of these
https://twitter.com/nocontexthumans/status/1336213804804431873?s=21

[147lothian]

They need some of these
https://twitter.com/nocontexthumans/status/1336213804804431873?s=21


:top marks

[where'stheslope]

breaking news, not only were the Livingston team spotted eating in a restaurant but they were spotted doing so without their masks on.
Ever tried eating with a mask on???????

[Oscar T Grouch]

Ever tried eating with a mask on???????

The the post just above yours :wink:

[147lothian]

Ever tried eating with a mask on???????

Is it possible to be tongue in cheek with a mask on?

[CropleyWasGod]

Is it possible to be tongue in cheek with a mask on?

Can you say "whoosh" properly with a mask on? :greengrin

[Keith_M]

Can you say "whoosh" properly with a mask on? :greengrin


You can try, but it generally leaves the inside of the mask covered in saliva

[Stanton Spence]

Ever tried eating with a mask on???????Seems I'm not the only person who is having a woosh moment today [emoji23]

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[CropleyWasGod]

If that's is the case they should be hammered

Think they were :greengrin

[Keith_M]

Think they were :greengrin


:drunk:






You're really on the ball today.

:greengrin

[Max_Shah]

[QUOTE=monarch;6455129]

I genuinely do get where folk are coming from, elite footballers need to eat. I bet elite ICU nurses wish they could go to a restaurant before their night shift starts, must be a nightmare having to have a sandwich...

Not really mate and sorry for the incoming effort-post, it is in no way aimed at you personally.

My colleagues and I would just settle for not being used as a political/signalling football by folx.

Oh and a slight above inflation pay-rise would not go amiss but that's a debate for the HG.

I can assure you we don't see ourselves as "[I]elite" or as "heroes" or as whatever emotive term is en vogue on within the Twitter-sphere.

Perhaps some egomaniac folx within the NHS see themselves like that and lap it up, but quite frankly, they are not wear the lanyard/uniform. Besides the sandwiches @ the RIE/St Johns are really not that bad. :wink:

On Topic:

I can't stand Zombie Ferranti Thistle and that totally not a scheme gangster guv [honest] head coach but [yeah there is a but] according to the letter of SG rules they were technically within their civil rights.

Yes. It is a total dick move by a questionable organization but no criminal offense has taken place.

The only offense committed is psychological/emotional against one's perception of moral turpitude as their actions are only against the "spirit" of SG legislation. I'll bet some spotty Pie & Bovril masterbator grassed them using the anonymous grass-I mean-tip line.

FWIW - my personal opinion is they are ********s for doing it and I hope we ****ing muller them in March .

For some bizarre reason the BBC article about Holt resigning is going to the moon on Twitter [Trending in UK/Scotland and top read BBC Scotland article] and is being shared by obvious bot accounts. Last I heard Holt became the new DOF @ Falkirk :dunno:

Oh and apparently they won some BS award for "[I]best managed team" by some two-bob "brand management" firm - they almost certainly paid good money for this. For those who don't know. The firm [Nordensa] specializes in SEO optimization - using the google algorithm to cover up shady activities and/or PR disasters. Also Pie and Bovril is noticing an influx of Ferranti supporters putting over the management/organization/infrastructure.

Expect more of this nonsense [random awards, puff pieces, social media crowing etc] as Martindale extends his tentacles.

Anyway shut up Max. See you all tomorrow. :aok:

[Irish_Steve]

That’s the thing where are clubs allowed to eat especially when travelling?!? What a society we live in grassing folk up.

Lee Wallace needs something to do these days