The Rangers & Refs

[The Harp Awakes]

First of all, they have clearly been the best team in the league this season by some distance and will deserve to win the league when they do.

However, the refereeing decisions they are getting in their favour now is just showing refs up as corrupt. Another clear red card tonight at 0-0 which somehow the ref seen as a yellow. I don't think they have conceded a pen this season either.

The paltry injury time added on when they are winning by one goal is the biggest evidence officials are at it.

[Magpie]

Bring in VAR.

[The Harp Awakes]

Bring in VAR.

Will likely cost them a dozen points a season at least.

[franck sauzee]

Will likely cost them a dozen points a season at least.

Judging by how the Premier League use it could make it worse. Look at the decisions Man United get

[Viva_Palmeiras]

Bring back the Maltese refs - it’ll only make them cross :)

serious questions :

Why in Scotland do so many pro refs come from the West?

Given what motivates someone to become a ref?

- Is it the ability to ensure games flow and the rules abs spirit of the game is fairly maintained without prejudice?

[Viva_Palmeiras]

First of all, they have clearly been the best team in the league this season by some distance and will deserve to win the league when they do.

However, the refereeing decisions they are getting in their favour now is just showing refs up as corrupt. Another clear red card tonight at 0-0 which somehow the ref seen as a yellow. I don't think they have conceded a pen this season either.

The paltry injury time added on when they are winning by one goal is the biggest evidence officials are at it.

With the potential for influence of the crowds it is quite astonishing.

[MGmick]

Bring in VAR.

What difference would it make?
A Scottish ref seeing/not seeing it in the flesh and a Scottish ref seeing/not seeing it on the telly?
With the best will in the world, they're not going to let anyone neutral, like me and you, have anything to do with making sure the currants are treated properly.

[Renfrew_Hibby]

Is that Lanarkshire ref cartel, headed up by Dallas still on the go?
Remember a while back that the majority of top flight refs throughout the 70/80/90s had passed through their 'school'

[JimBHibees]

Bring back the Maltese refs - it’ll only make them cross :)

serious questions :

Why in Scotland do so many pro refs come from the West?

Given what motivates someone to become a ref?

- Is it the ability to ensure games flow and the rules abs spirit of the game is fairly maintained without prejudice?

Not sure it is so many rather than every top pro ref is from the west. Clancy heads one of the most prominent referee associations which is particularly scary to be honest given how awful he is. Needs a complete overall but status quo is to be protected at all costs.

On another point wonder if JR got an apology from Clancy for last weeks horror show.

[weecounty hibby]

I've said it many times now. I have been watching Hibs for 47 years and it has ALWAYS been the case that referees have favoured them during matches. From Brian McGinlay to the present day Clancy and Dallas. It cannot be that they are poor refs and just get things wrong. It cannot be that they just make match winning errors in Rangers favour so often by accident. It is institutional cheating. No other way to describe it when it can happen so often and for so long. There was one ex ref who went into the masonic after dinner speaking circuit and his claim to fame was that he never took charge of a rangers game where they lost!! Folk even older than me will be able to tell more stories about the infamous Davidson who was before me but apparently horrifically biased towards them.
Celtic get more than their fair share of decisions but nothing compared to the hun

[neil7908]

Sadly it'll never change in Scotland - has there been any punishment for Clancy missing the Morelos stamp? It's all good and well issuing a ban after the fact but Sevco still have their 3 points and plenty of options upfront to cover the ban.

I know there have been issues with VAR but I'd still prefer to see it in Scotland. Maybe some of the real shockers would be caught.

[hibsbollah]

I've said it many times now. I have been watching Hibs for 47 years and it has ALWAYS been the case that referees have favoured them during matches. From Brian McGinlay to the present day Clancy and Dallas. It cannot be that they are poor refs and just get things wrong. It cannot be that they just make match winning errors in Rangers favour so often by accident. It is institutional cheating. No other way to describe it when it can happen so often and for so long. There was one ex ref who went into the masonic after dinner speaking circuit and his claim to fame was that he never took charge of a rangers game where they lost!! Folk even older than me will be able to tell more stories about the infamous Davidson who was before me but apparently horrifically biased towards them.
Celtic get more than their fair share of decisions but nothing compared to the hun

Davidson was one of the ‘fast tracked’ refs that coincidentally always seemed to be from specific parts of Lanarkshire (Airdrie in Davidson’s case) and were active in lodge politics. Jock Stein had a feud with him that was mentioned in his biography.

[Cammy]

Judging by how the Premier League use it could make it worse. Look at the decisions Man United get

Really? What about the Sheffield United game last week? It was confirmed after the game that they got two major decisions wrong, both against Man United. VAR doesn’t discriminate it just throws up some strange decisions based on interpretations of the laws of the game.

[we are hibs]

Bring back the Maltese refs - it’ll only make them cross :)

serious questions :

Why in Scotland do so many pro refs come from the West?

Given what motivates someone to become a ref?

- Is it the ability to ensure games flow and the rules abs spirit of the game is fairly maintained without prejudice?Can you imagine the uproar if every referee in the top flight was from the east of Scotland? We'd never stop hearing about it from the weegie rags.

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[Viva_Palmeiras]

Can you imagine the uproar if every referee in the top flight was from the east of Scotland? We'd never stop hearing about it from the weegie rags.

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didn’t Sean Murdoch hang up his gloves to concentrate on getting his refs badges ?

[Killiehibbie]

I'd hope they actually get a big bonus envelope for making sure the huns get the decisions.

[dchibs]

Wonder if SG saw that tackle on MD last night it was a leg breaker Davidson had to go off eventually, again the ref was only 10 yds away from the incident. Did SG not moan that sevco never got decitions for them, Hibs had 3 good claims for penalties against them in 2 games as well as the stamping on Porto. No pens against them this season at all dosn't sound right to me.

[PatHead]

Once they have won their first league title there will be a flurry of penalties, bookings and sending offs just to prove how referees give decisions against Sevco.

[Keith_M]

The ridiculous thing is that Gerrard tries to make out it's them that are hard done by.

Their fans even seem to think there's a whole conspiracy against them and that people like Morelos are being unfairly treated.

[Chorley Hibee]

Rangers players clearly aware that their actions hold no consequences and they're free to act accordingly.

They'll seriously injure someone (probably Davidson) before this season is out.

Someone above said to watch the flurry of decisions awarded against them once the league is won. I'm not so sure, as the league is already won.

They're now determined Rangers will complete the season unbeaten.

[HIGHLANDLEITHER]

[QUOTE=Keith_M;6453755]The ridiculous thing is that Gerrard tries to make out it's them that are hard done by.

Their fans even seem to think there's a whole conspiracy against them and that people like Morelos are being unfairly treated.
BBC were carrying a headline saying that Gerrard was calling for consistency. Ignoring that intent is an important factor he was obviously referring to Darren’ s “ tangle of legs”.
If he wants consistency then every other team in the premier would have no penalties given against them this season. None of their players sent off during a match and have their players offences reviewed after a match resulting in being offered a ban. Rangers* are top of the league there as well !
Apart from the Morelos stamp, Goldson should have been sent off for denying Hallberg a clear scoring opportunity.

[matty_f]

I would love to see how we did in a season where we got the decisions that Rangers get. I generally don't have much time for conspiracy theories etc but it does get harder to not come to that sort of conclusion when decisions like this happen with such regularity.

There's a long history of big decisions favouring them, this season they've been particularly 'lucky' with the number of big calls that have gone in their favour.

[brog]

Younger netters will find this hard to believe but things really are much better now than before. Thanks to TV coverage, decisions like the Morelos one & last night's are subject to much more scrutiny than before. Social media has also played a big part. My first awareness was in 1958 when we beat Rangers 2-1 in a Cup semi final replay. In frustration in the last minute a Rangers' player, possibly Ralph Brand, punched the ball out of Lawrie Leslie's hands, the ball fell loose & another Ranger turned it into the net. Bobby Davidson, of course, awarded the goal but the linesman raised his flag. Eventually the lino stood firm & the "goal" was disallowed. It was folklore at the time, although confirmed to me by a later Hibs Chairman, that the linesman never officiated again! 100% corrupt.
PS, Bobby Tait was the ref referred to in an earlier post who now makes a living out of after dinner speaking to Orange Lodges. Famously he ran & passed the ball for Rangers' 2nd goal when they won 4-3 at ER after we were 3-1 up. He openly boasts he never awarded a penalty against Rangers in his career.

[where'stheslope]

The ridiculous thing is that Gerrard tries to make out it's them that are hard done by.

Their fans even seem to think there's a whole conspiracy against them and that people like Morelos are being unfairly treated.
What do you think the reaction would be if SG came out and said the ref was biased for them?
You play the game as you see it, Scott Brown has survived for years wearing a Celtic top and doing what he pleases and still gets away with murder at times!
Jim Goodwin when playing got away with the same things and was never pulled up after it?
So if you want your players to get extra protection from refs, you keep on about how unfairly you are treated, and in time it works for you!!!

[DIXIHIBS]

The tackle on davidson was a shocker, red card all day long. But because the ref saw it and decided only a yellow, am i right in thinking that no further action taken? If thats the case it is almost better for refs to see nothing and then we can watch the red cards mount up later. Imagine if say Porteous had done that against Kent or some other the ranger, the reaction gerrard would have been comical.

[Monktonhall 7]

This thread has got me thinking about the times we have been on the wrong side of a retrospective ban. I remember the guy we had on loan from Leicester, Darnell Johnston being given a ban for a tackle the week after the game, but Morelos, and several players from our 2nd division neighbours have been banned after games against us I’ve not got the exact stats, but if refs had taken the correct decision during these games, how many more points/matches would we have won?

[EI255]

We'll soon be signing those old ditties again...

"who's the mason in the black"

"the Referees a wkanner"

Sent from heaven

[DIXIHIBS]

This thread has got me thinking about the times we have been on the wrong side of a retrospective ban. I remember the guy we had on loan from Leicester, Darnell Johnston being given a ban for a tackle the week after the game, but Morelos, and several players from our 2nd division neighbours have been banned after games against us I’ve not got the exact stats, but if refs had taken the correct decision during these games, how many more points/matches would we have won?

Really got put into focus when the player who should have been sent off goes on and scores the winner in a 1-0 win. Retrospective ban doesnt help us one bit

[Fratelli]

St Johnstone manager Callum Davidson: "It's one of those, I don't think there was any malice in the challenge, but it doesn't look great. TV pictures will slow it down and make it look worse than it is. All I can do is credit my players."

Just watched the tackle now and it's a shocker and an easy red card that no one could possibly complain about so why the heck has Callum Davidson come out with such garbage?

Call it out for what it was and stand up for your player and supporters - without being overly emotional or dramatic, he should have said that "it was a shocking tackle, an easy red card that nobody could have complained about and that it undoubtedly influenced the final result".

If I was a Saints supporter, I would be raging at my manager for those comments...

[ancient hibee]

Younger netters will find this hard to believe but things really are much better now than before. Thanks to TV coverage, decisions like the Morelos one & last night's are subject to much more scrutiny than before. Social media has also played a big part. My first awareness was in 1958 when we beat Rangers 2-1 in a Cup semi final replay. In frustration in the last minute a Rangers' player, possibly Ralph Brand, punched the ball out of Lawrie Leslie's hands, the ball fell loose & another Ranger turned it into the net. Bobby Davidson, of course, awarded the goal but the linesman raised his flag. Eventually the lino stood firm & the "goal" was disallowed. It was folklore at the time, although confirmed to me by a later Hibs Chairman, that the linesman never officiated again! 100% corrupt.
PS, Bobby Tait was the ref referred to in an earlier post who now makes a living out of after dinner speaking to Orange Lodges. Famously he ran & passed the ball for Rangers' 2nd goal when they won 4-3 at ER after we were 3-1 up. He openly boasts he never awarded a penalty against Rangers in his career.
In the early 70s I was at Ibrox and they were still moaning in their programme about that cup tie decision.

[The dalmeny]

I do wish folk wouldn’t call them ‘the’ rangers like they are something special.

[Chorley Hibee]

St Johnstone manager Callum Davidson: "It's one of those, I don't think there was any malice in the challenge, but it doesn't look great. TV pictures will slow it down and make it look worse than it is. All I can do is credit my players."

Just watched the tackle now and it's a shocker and an easy red card that no one could possibly complain about so why the heck has Callum Davidson come out with such garbage?

Call it out for what it was and stand up for your player and supporters - without being overly emotional or dramatic, he should have said that "it was a shocking tackle, an easy red card that nobody could have complained about and that it undoubtedly influenced the final result".

If I was a Saints supporter, I would be raging at my manager for those comments...

I agree with you, couldn't believe the comments considering the damage it could/may have done.

[Carheenlea]

One of my Rangers supporting friends felt it was a yellow as it wasn’t malicious. Forwarded a meme featuring bad tackles against Rangers (and a few token Celtic tackles against other teams) which sums up their thinking. Their defence is simply highlighting other challenges unpunished against them rather than accept foul play on their behalf.
Amazing how both sides of Old Firm are utterly convinced of some kind of refereeing conspiracy against them.

[JeMeSouviens]

Younger netters will find this hard to believe but things really are much better now than before. Thanks to TV coverage, decisions like the Morelos one & last night's are subject to much more scrutiny than before. Social media has also played a big part. My first awareness was in 1958 when we beat Rangers 2-1 in a Cup semi final replay. In frustration in the last minute a Rangers' player, possibly Ralph Brand, punched the ball out of Lawrie Leslie's hands, the ball fell loose & another Ranger turned it into the net. Bobby Davidson, of course, awarded the goal but the linesman raised his flag. Eventually the lino stood firm & the "goal" was disallowed. It was folklore at the time, although confirmed to me by a later Hibs Chairman, that the linesman never officiated again! 100% corrupt.
PS, Bobby Tait was the ref referred to in an earlier post who now makes a living out of after dinner speaking to Orange Lodges. Famously he ran & passed the ball for Rangers' 2nd goal when they won 4-3 at ER after we were 3-1 up. He openly boasts he never awarded a penalty against Rangers in his career.

He was also the ref when the Old Huns were going for 10iar and drawing 1-1 at home to Killie. I think it was his last game. He added on a ridiculous amount of injury time (before the "minimum additional minutes" era) during which ... Killie got the winner. :greengrin A tiny wee bit of Karma for the *******.

[Yorkshire HFC]

First of all, they have clearly been the best team in the league this season by some distance and will deserve to win the league when they do.

However, the refereeing decisions they are getting in their favour now is just showing refs up as corrupt. Another clear red card tonight at 0-0 which somehow the ref seen as a yellow. I don't think they have conceded a pen this season either.

The paltry injury time added on when they are winning by one goal is the biggest evidence officials are at it.

Are you really trying to say Hibs haven't had any dubious penalties awarded this season?

Every team has - it's part of the game.

[dchibs]

Waiting to hear what Boyd has to say about the tackle on Davidson, he eventually and reluctantly said Morelos was a sending off, when asked if it meant a ban from the complience officer he smirked and said if he can be bothered, was he thinking because it's sevco they will get off with it?

[CmoantheHibs]

Just watched it. Definitely a red. Roofe and Morelos both stamped down and the only reason I can think to do that is to deliberately cause damage. It’s not a natural thing to do when landing unless trying to break something. They are a despicable club so it comes as no surprise.

[Ozyhibby]

We had a chance to hold them to account and didn’t take it. Now they know we are happy with the situation it will never change. They don’t even need to kid on anymore.


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[ACLeith]

Why in Scotland do so many pro refs come from the West?

Because the promotion system below pro level ensures that those from the East don’t get a chance to reach that level?

[eaststandJJ]

Maybe simple - refs want careers and go to Europe and international competitions. They want recommendations from authorities and clubs. If they go with the big clubs the the reports favour them. Also, a background check on who they and their families support may be ethical when asking them to referee games,or) a certain Hearts supporting ref taking a Hibs v Hearts cup final and awarding penalty for offence outside the box.

[Jim44]

I do wish folk wouldn’t call them ‘the’ rangers like they are something special.

You’re right, they’re not but what’s special about dalmeny? :greengrin

[bigwheel]

I do wish folk wouldn’t call them ‘the’ rangers like they are something special.

Is it a negative term , play on words when they renamed themselves post liquidation?

[fiolex1]

I always thought the large home and away support for Rangers influenced the ref, but that has been put to bed over the last year. They’re just corrupt and it will only get worse when the fans are back

[The dalmeny]

You’re right, they’re not but what’s special about dalmeny? :greengrin



sharp:applause:

[JimBHibees]

I agree with you, couldn't believe the comments considering the damage it could/may have done.

Wonder if he will be so magnanimous if Davidson misses the cup final because of it. Leg breaker challenge.

[JimBHibees]

I always thought the large home and away support for Rangers influenced the ref, but that has been put to bed over the last year. They’re just corrupt and it will only get worse when the fans are back

Agree absolutely bizarre they are getting all these decisions with no fans in the ground. Corrupt as, completely spineless

[JimBHibees]

He was also the ref when the Old Huns were going for 10iar and drawing 1-1 at home to Killie. I think it was his last game. He added on a ridiculous amount of injury time (before the "minimum additional minutes" era) during which ... Killie got the winner. :greengrin A tiny wee bit of Karma for the *******.

Funny as that was think of all the other times when the other team didn't score or more than likely Rangers got dodgy pen or offside goal.

[JimBHibees]

Because the promotion system below pro level ensures that those from the East don’t get a chance to reach that level?

How does that work?

Article tells you all you need to know. First Scottish cup final in 1873 and the first Edinburgh ref to get final was 107 years later. Quite simply wow. Just imagine for one minute it was the other way round. An absolute scandal.

https://www.heraldscotland.com/sport/16114571.investigation-referees-blow-whistle-unrest/

[ACLeith]

How does that work?

Article tells you all you need to know. First Scottish cup final in 1873 and the first Edinburgh ref to get final was 107 years later. Quite simply wow. Just imagine for one minute it was the other way round. An absolute scandal.

https://www.heraldscotland.com/sport/16114571.investigation-referees-blow-whistle-unrest/

I do know a young lad who was doing well as a ref and moving through the system. That season almost all the refs who got promoted were from the west, he is hitting the geographical glass ceiling and getting sickened.

A Hibee as well we could do with some friendly faces in black. “Who’s the good lad in the black”

[JimBHibees]

I do know a young lad who was doing well as a ref and moving through the system. That season almost all the refs who got promoted were from the west, he is hitting the geographical glass ceiling and getting sickened.

A Hibee as well we could do with some friendly faces in black. “Who’s the good lad in the black”

Genuinely sickening to hear that and incredible that clubs from the east don't kick up more about it though no doubt the ref fraternity is a very closed shop and extraordinarily cliquey.

[green.oracle]

Stats for this season circulating on social media today, (don't know how accurate they are and can't be bothered checking).

However, my 60 plus years being a Hibs fan has taught me they will be pretty accurate where this particular cheek of the old-firm is concerned.

Penalties awarded against sevco this season - 0

Penalties awarded to sevco this season - 22

sevco players sent off this season - 0

opposition players sent off in sevco games this season - 11

The referees know fine what was at stake this season.

:grr::grr:

[shetlandhibee]

I would love to see how we did in a season where we got the decisions that Rangers get. I generally don't have much time for conspiracy theories etc but it does get harder to not come to that sort of conclusion when decisions like this happen with such regularity.

There's a long history of big decisions favouring them, this season they've been particularly 'lucky' with the number of big calls that have gone in their favour.
to stop 10 in a row they were allways going to get more decisions than the normal obscene amount they usually get sadly thats obvious, corrupt to the core!!

[where'stheslope]

And now the final nail in Celtic's coffin, their player is charged with diving to gain a penalty?
Again it comes down to what the ref thinks he sees and gives accordingly?
But, the co commentators at the game said there was contact, even after watching it from all angles?
I've watched the same footage and you can clearly see he's diving hoping for contact!
So are the people who we have to listen to commentating on games, just turn a blind eye when these thing happen or are they just worried what might happen to them if they say the truth?????
Maybe Roofe at Sevco could also be in bother after the showing of the challenge on the Scottish News program????

[PatHead]

I do wish folk wouldn’t call them ‘the’ rangers like they are something special.

It's because Rangers died when they were liquidated some years ago. To differentiate between them and the new company many fans call them by their proper name The Rangers or Sevco for short.

Don't ever let them forget it after all they walked away and let their club die.

Strange how the new club get treated the same way by referees as the old one though.

[EI255]

So, is Roofe getting done with his assault on Murray Davidson the other night?

Every bit as horrendous as the thug Morelos' assault.

What is it with that team?

Obviously Gerrard likes his players to be brutal. What a coward.

[JohnMcM]

So, is Roofe getting done with his assault on Murray Davidson the other night?

Every bit as horrendous as the thug Morelos' assault.

What is it with that team?

Obviously Gerrard likes his players to be brutal. What a coward.

There would have been an announcement by now if he was getting charged. No?

[Keith_M]

You’re right, they’re not but what’s special about dalmeny? :greengrin



:greengrin


Obviously a successor to the original Dalmeny when it was liquidated in 2012

[ronaldo7]

https://www.heraldscotland.com/sport/19069064.rangers-striker-kemar-roofe-charged-sfa-challenge-st-johnstones-murray-davidson/

Roofe charged.

[JohnMcM]

https://www.heraldscotland.com/sport/19069064.rangers-striker-kemar-roofe-charged-sfa-challenge-st-johnstones-murray-davidson/

Roofe charged.

Rightly so.

[gbhibby]

https://www.heraldscotland.com/sport/19069064.rangers-striker-kemar-roofe-charged-sfa-challenge-st-johnstones-murray-davidson/

Roofe charged.
Was to be expected I can see no defence case. If it was a Hibs player that did that I would expect the same.

[brog]

In the early 70s I was at Ibrox and they were still moaning in their programme about that cup tie decision.

That's amazing. IIRC there was a clear picture at the time of Brand punching the ball! Who needs QAnon when you've had the lot from Ibrox in denial for over 100 years!

[ancient hibee]

That's amazing. IIRC there was a clear picture at the time of Brand punching the ball! Who needs QAnon when you've had the lot from Ibrox in denial for over 100 years!


A member at Baberton told me a few years ago that when Ralph was holding court in the clubhouse he still denied it(nobody believed him).

[BILLYHIBS]

Refs are bricking it to book them or send them off

Been like that since the start of the season it’s as if they are scared of Gerrard

Needs to be a level playing field

SFA need to get the officials telt

[Kato]

That's amazing. IIRC there was a clear picture at the time of Brand punching the ball! Who needs QAnon when you've had the lot from Ibrox in denial for over 100 years!

Gave rise to the rhyming slang usage of "Ralph Brands" for yer hands.

[neil7908]

https://www.heraldscotland.com/sport/19069064.rangers-striker-kemar-roofe-charged-sfa-challenge-st-johnstones-murray-davidson/

Roofe charged.

But another 3 points Sevco have picked up when they should have been down to 10 men.

[Onion]

Refs are bricking it to book them or send them off

Been like that since the start of the season it’s as if they are scared of Gerrard

Needs to be a level playing field

SFA need to get the officials telt

:agree: Last 2 non-red cards as bad as anything you'll see. Refs not even trying to hide their cheating any more and always have the last minute penalty card up their sleeves, if needed.

[JimBHibees]

:agree: Last 2 non-red cards as bad as anything you'll see. Refs not even trying to hide their cheating any more and always have the last minute penalty card up their sleeves, if needed.

They are genuinely petrified shameful as. Embarrassing lack of integrity. Cheating is the accurate word imo.

[The Green Sea]

Morales knew what he was doing whereas Roofe just made a mess of his tackle. The thing I’m surprised at is that supposedly he’s not happy about getting charged. Might not have been deliberate but could easily have broken his ankle. Horrible tackle that anybody with a bit of decency would take a charge on the chin.

[Colr]

First of all, they have clearly been the best team in the league this season by some distance and will deserve to win the league when they do.

However, the refereeing decisions they are getting in their favour now is just showing refs up as corrupt. Another clear red card tonight at 0-0 which somehow the ref seen as a yellow. I don't think they have conceded a pen this season either.

The paltry injury time added on when they are winning by one goal is the biggest evidence officials are at it.

Just shows, it wasn’t the pressure from the crowd after all.

[ronaldo7]

Was to be expected I can see no defence case. If it was a Hibs player that did that I would expect the same.

Yup. It was a shocker.

[worcesterhibby]

I find threads like this utterly depressing, because I think it’s almost certainly true that the majority of refs and the football establishment are biased in favour of west coast clubs and Rangers in particular. Makes me wonder why we bother.

it’s interesting that Steven McLean was given the final old firm derby of 2016 ( which he refereed without any controversy) and The Scottish Cup Final. Which would suggest he was viewed as the best referee in Scotland...yet after not finding a way to make sure Rangers won the Cup final, he was mysteriously NOT selected as one of the SFA FIFA list referees in 2017....pretty obviously a punishment for having the audacity to ref the final fairly and not helping Rangers win.

[Killiehibbie]

I find threads like this utterly depressing, because I think it’s almost certainly true that the majority of refs and the football establishment are biased in favour of west coast clubs and Rangers in particular. Makes me wonder why we bother.

it’s interesting that Steven McLean was given the final old firm derby of 2016 ( which he refereed without any controversy) and The Scottish Cup Final. Which would suggest he was viewed as the best referee in Scotland...yet after not finding a way to make sure Rangers won the Cup final, he was mysteriously NOT selected as one of the SFA FIFA list referees in 2017....pretty obviously a punishment for having the audacity to ref the final fairly and not helping Rangers win.

2016 we certainly got away with him missing a push that was most definitely a penalty. I can't think of very many others

[hibbysam]

I find threads like this utterly depressing, because I think it’s almost certainly true that the majority of refs and the football establishment are biased in favour of west coast clubs and Rangers in particular. Makes me wonder why we bother.

it’s interesting that Steven McLean was given the final old firm derby of 2016 ( which he refereed without any controversy) and The Scottish Cup Final. Which would suggest he was viewed as the best referee in Scotland...yet after not finding a way to make sure Rangers won the Cup final, he was mysteriously NOT selected as one of the SFA FIFA list referees in 2017....pretty obviously a punishment for having the audacity to ref the final fairly and not helping Rangers win.

Wouldn’t say Rangers ‘in particular’, both then get nearly every 50/50 in their favour, and get away with a lot of straight forward game changers not going against them. The penalty and the offside goal the other night for Celtic were inexcusable.

Smaller clubs will very rarely get away with any big, simple, game changing decisions (stonewall penalties or red card tackles against), and the 50/50 decisions end up 50/50. Those pair gain massively out of those!

[Aldo]

Roofe now hit with a charge for his tackle against St Johnstone.

You can guarantee if Murray Davidson had tackled Roofe then it would have been a straight red there and then.


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[PaulSmith]

I find threads like this utterly depressing, because I think it’s almost certainly true that the majority of refs and the football establishment are biased in favour of west coast clubs and Rangers in particular. Makes me wonder why we bother.

it’s interesting that Steven McLean was given the final old firm derby of 2016 ( which he refereed without any controversy) and The Scottish Cup Final. Which would suggest he was viewed as the best referee in Scotland...yet after not finding a way to make sure Rangers won the Cup final, he was mysteriously NOT selected as one of the SFA FIFA list referees in 2017....pretty obviously a punishment for having the audacity to ref the final fairly and not helping Rangers win.

You'll find that Steven McLean was dropped by UEFA after one of the most embarrassing refereeing episodes in recent times during a 21s international.

[hibsbollah]

You'll find that Steven McLean was dropped by UEFA after one of the most embarrassing refereeing episodes in recent times during a 21s international.

That might be true. However, there’s more than one ref that would have blown for a foul when Stokes scored that near post header to make it 2-2. It wasn’t a foul, but there was slight contact. Steven Maclean reffed that game the way it was supposed to be.

[EI255]

Wouldn’t say Rangers ‘in particular’, both then get nearly every 50/50 in their favour, and get away with a lot of straight forward game changers not going against them. The penalty and the offside goal the other night for Celtic were inexcusable.

Smaller clubs will very rarely get away with any big, simple, game changing decisions (stonewall penalties or red card tackles against), and the 50/50 decisions end up 50/50. Those pair gain massively out of those!The Celtic pen maybe was inexcusable, however it is not in the same league as The Rangers assaults over the last two weeks. Both could have been career finishers. Luckily for both players they weren't on this occasion.

The Rangers, as a club, should get absolutely hammered. But, as usual, they don't.

[hibbysam]

The Celtic pen maybe was inexcusable, however it is not in the same league as The Rangers assaults over the last two weeks. Both could have been career finishers. Luckily for both players they weren't on this occasion.

The Rangers, as a club, should get absolutely hammered. But, as usual, they don't.

Regardless of what they are, the decisions are absolutely woeful in favour of both of them. When you look at the Griffiths one against Hamilton last season that went unpunished then both sides get away with them. I’ve no idea why you’d want the club punished for a players misdemeanours, we’re you wanting Hibs hammered for McNulty’s stamp in the derby?

[JimBHibees]

2016 we certainly got away with him missing a push that was most definitely a penalty. I can't think of very many others

Didn't think that was a pen to be honest.