Mallan in Turkey

[King Cosell]

Goztepe S.K. v Yeni Malatyaspor tomorrow at 1pm

No UK TV coverage for this but BT Sport have the rights are and showing 3 live games a week.

[xyz23jc]

Goztepe S.K. v Yeni Malatyaspor tomorrow at 1pm

No UK TV coverage for this but BT Sport have the rights are and showing 3 live games a week.

Cheers for the heads up mate, might give this a watch, sad to see him leave, could have been a great player for us. :agree:

[GreenCastle]

Mallan v Ozil in a few weeks should be interesting.

[heretoday]

Good luck to him. He's a useful player.

[Since452]

30 yarder into the top bag on his debut. Watch this space.

[kaimendhibs]

Good luck to Stevie

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[The Harp Awakes]

Good luck to Stevie

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Yes, all the best Stevie. A very special talent.

[CMurdoch]

Goztepe S.K. v Yeni Malatyaspor tomorrow at 1pm

No UK TV coverage for this but BT Sport have the rights are and showing 3 live games a week.

Ta, will have a deco

[Swedish hibee]

Hope he does well over there

[Crunchie]

Goztepe S.K. v Yeni Malatyaspor tomorrow at 1pm

No UK TV coverage for this but BT Sport have the rights are and showing 3 live games a week.
Good luck to the lad, always liked the unpredictability about him when he was on the park. Still think he's nuts to go over there.

[neil7908]

Ta, will have a deco

Nah, don't think he's playing, retired a few years ago :

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deco

[04Sauzee]

Hes in the starting 11

[ancient hibee]

Mallan v Ozil in a few weeks should be interesting.

They’ll both be away by then.:greengrin

[18Craig75]

Is it on BT sports in the UK then?

[Dmas]

Starts today and 10/1 for first goal

[Sir David Gray]

Is it on BT sports in the UK then?

No.

[Carheenlea]

Can only wish him well - liked him as a player given his prowess for spectacular strikes and someone who you always felt could dig something out of nothing. Was clear for a while he wasn’t really part of the plan so hoping he has a positive move in Turkey.

[Halmyre Hibee]

Game is on beIN Sports 1 Turkey if anyone can get that channel.

[HibbyKeith]

losing 1-0 12mins played

[Lancs Harp]

There's a Brazilian lad in the Yeni line up with a good old Scottish name, Wallace.

Brazilian in the Goztepe team called Titi

[Squealing pig]

Some tackle never seen him do that for hibs

[Hibernian Verse]

Some tackle never seen him do that for hibs

It wasn't going to take long for a comment like this. First half of his first game is quite early in the sweeps though! :greengrin

[Squealing pig]

Hasn't touched the ball since tho lol hope it works out for him and we get decent coin

[Booked4Being-Ugly]

Mallan scores!!!!

[Squealing pig]

Boom some finish stevie boy

[Booked4Being-Ugly]

What a finish.

[Golden Bear]

Is it half time? I've came across a game where the score is 1-2 . It looks as though it could be a turkish channel.

[Northernhibee]

I wonder if it's a pressure thing for him - he was brilliant when he started with us and tailed off, he's been good so far today.

[bringbackbenny]

great shot saved then buried in the corner from the keepers initial parry :not worth

[Peevemor]

I'm not watching but I'm pleased for him.

[Halmyre Hibee]

Mallan of old good goal

[kaimendhibs]

Good on Stevie Mallan.

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[Since452]

30 yarder into the top bag on his debut. Watch this space.

Called it, well almost.

[Dalianwanda]

Big number 19 up front for them is terrible..

[bringbackbenny]

wee bit surprised at the standard of football, certainly no better than most games here. No great shakes.

[nonshinyfinish]

wee bit surprised at the standard of football, certainly no better than most games here. No great shakes.

Is the pace noticeably slower than in Scotland? Would benefit Mallan.

[Booked4Being-Ugly]

Is the pace noticeably slower than in Scotland? Would benefit Mallan.

A slower build up but the difference is both teams passing the ball along the deck rather than smashing the ball up front.

[Glory Lurker]

I'm not watching but I'm pleased for him.

Me too.

[Greenbeard]

Me too.
That could catch on.

[Magpie]

Mallan scoring goals, no surprise there!

[FilipinoHibs]

Me too.

Me to

[18Craig75]

A slower build up but the difference is both teams passing the ball along the deck rather than smashing the ball up front.

And yet his goal came from a long punt up to the striker from the full back.

[blackpoolhibs]

It not a real surprise he's scored a long range effort, he did that a few times here until teams got wary of it and closed him down quicker.

[SanFranHibs]

I was curious to see where his team are in the division. Very much a '500' team. Looks like 4 teams go down. Team they are playing nnow, directly below them. Definitely a 'big' game :greengrin

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[04Sauzee]

It not a real surprise he's scored a long range effort, he did that a few times here until teams got wary of it and closed him down quicker.
Wasn't a long range effort though

[SanFranHibs]

GOAL - Göztepe S.K. 2 Yeni Malatyaspor 2 (Ahmed Ildiz 81')

[Lancs Harp]

Surely its Mallantyaspor. :wink:

[blackpoolhibs]

Wasn't a long range effort though

My mistake, i thought someone said it was a 30 yard shot.

[04Sauzee]

My mistake, i thought someone said it was a 30 yard shot.

😁 No worries tbf he took it well.

[badabing67]

Always thought we should of tied him up front

[SanFranHibs]

Full Time - Göztepe S.K. 2 Yeni Malatyaspor 2

[alhibby]

https://twitter.com/canligoltv8/status/1357323552966508545?s=20&fbclid=IwAR2u9GT_rT0xJzgQTKujurnsYX-6XK_Vx5QF_S_srAnsKBqwb0XQ2kdSgt0

Goal here

[Peevemor]

A slower build up but the difference is both teams passing the ball along the deck rather than smashing the ball up front.


https://twitter.com/canligoltv8/status/1357323552966508545?s=20&fbclid=IwAR2u9GT_rT0xJzgQTKujurnsYX-6XK_Vx5QF_S_srAnsKBqwb0XQ2kdSgt0

Goal here

Hoooof! :greengrin

[tamig]

https://twitter.com/canligoltv8/status/1357323552966508545?s=20&fbclid=IwAR2u9GT_rT0xJzgQTKujurnsYX-6XK_Vx5QF_S_srAnsKBqwb0XQ2kdSgt0

Goal here

Very nice.

[LaMotta]

It not a real surprise he's scored a long range effort, he did that a few times here until teams got wary of it and closed him down quicker.

Its less of a surprise to see him scoring when he is operating in the central final third of the pitch. Unfortunately he wasnt used there enough over the last year or so.

The goal has already irked many of his Twitter critics who wouldn't like to see any evidence that contradicts their opinion of him as a heartless passenger.

[JimBHibees]

Well done Stevie. :thumbsup:

[Billy Whizz]

https://twitter.com/canligoltv8/status/1357323552966508545?s=20&fbclid=IwAR2u9GT_rT0xJzgQTKujurnsYX-6XK_Vx5QF_S_srAnsKBqwb0XQ2kdSgt0

Goal here

Typical Steve Mallan goal

[CMurdoch]

Typical Steve Mallan goal

I thought it was better than that.
Not easy to hit the rebound accurately and did well to follow in his initial shot.
I watched the second half until he was replaced.
Didn't manage to get on the ball much but all the chat from their fans about him will be his great goal.
I read there was an option to buy. Any idea what the option to buy price is if that is correct?
Would be delighted if we can get our £200k back.

[Magpie]

Its less of a surprise to see him scoring when he is operating in the central final third of the pitch. Unfortunately he wasnt used there enough over the last year or so.

The goal has already irked many of his Twitter critics who wouldn't like to see any evidence that contradicts their opinion of him as a heartless passenger.

I’m a bit gutted he’s gone, the Turkish team will probably take up the option to buy him as he’s a good player.

[Stuart93]

I’m all very meh about mallan leaving, had turned into a decent option from the bench

Good to see he scored today and I reckon they might take up the option to buy come the end of the season

[Peevemor]

I’m a bit gutted he’s gone, the Turkish team will probably take up the option to buy him as he’s a good player.

Yep, but like others before him he could be back in the UK, maybe on loan, next January.

[J-C]

Mallan needed a team that plays football on the deck and not hoofing it or playing long passes into channels, yes he can be a bit of a luxury player but if he played for Rangers or Celtic he'd have thrived because the ball is on the deck, I think the last time we played that way regularly was when Dylan, McGinn and Allan was in the team.

[Billy Whizz]

I thought it was better than that.
Not easy to hit the rebound accurately and did well to follow in his initial shot.
I watched the second half until he was replaced.
Didn't manage to get on the ball much but all the chat from their fans about him will be his great goal.
I read there was an option to buy. Any idea what the option to buy price is if that is correct?
Would be delighted if we can get our £200k back.

What I meant was having a shot high up the park, which is best position
It’s a pit my we couldn’t get him into our team, as he’s a top scoring midfielder

[J-C]

What I meant was having a shot high up the park, which is best position
It’s a pit my we couldn’t get him into our team, as he’s a top scoring midfielder

:agree:

[MWHIBBIES]

Mallan needed a team that plays football on the deck and not hoofing it or playing long passes into channels, yes he can be a bit of a luxury player but if he played for Rangers or Celtic he'd have thrived because the ball is on the deck, I think the last time we played that way regularly was when Dylan, McGinn and Allan was in the team.

This just is not true. He wouldn't get near Celtic or Rangers side because he doesn't have anything like the physical attributes to play at that level. He doesn't even have the football skills either. Compare to him to someone like Callum McGregor, who can beat players, create goals, make driving runs etc. Thats a player who trives at Celtic or Rangers. Mallan is not good enough for Hibs. His first few months are still massively blinkering folk.

Hibs have not always hoofed the ball in his time here (we don't even do it now). Just completely untrue. Scott Allan put up amazing numbers last season, why couldn't Mallan? Watch the 2-2 draw with St Johnstone earlier in the season. Mallan was the man that game, in his supposed best position, Hibs playing football, and he just gave the ball away all night. He was dreadful.

His football attributes aren't anywhere near the level folk think they are. When is the last time he beat a couple of opponents? Or played a killer pass? Played a nice 2-1?

I don't get this idea he is a brilliant but luxury player. Other than a good shot and good finishing, he doesn't really do anything that well.

Jack Ross, the manager he has his best ever form under, cannot get it out of him at this level. Its just not happening.

[MWHIBBIES]

What I meant was having a shot high up the park, which is best position
It’s a pit my we couldn’t get him into our team, as he’s a top scoring midfielder

But that is all he is. And he never showed anywhere near enough in the many times he did play high up the park. You cannot play that position and be so poor at running with the ball, or positioning etc. Allan always finds the space to pick it up and drive, or makes the pass, or even scores the goal.

Mallan has a fantastic shot. Otherwise he is pretty poor at this level.

[LaMotta]

I’m a bit gutted he’s gone, the Turkish team will probably take up the option to buy him as he’s a good player.

Agreed. I think the other thing people forget about Mallan is that he is only 24 with his best years ahead of him and plenty of time for improvement.

Paul Hartley was a player with obvious abilities who had shone with other Scottish teams, made an unsuccesful move down south and then came to Hibs where he showed glimpses of his ability. He then left us at 23/24 and went on to fulfill his potential and def came back to haunt us. I feel there is potential for that to happen with Mallan.

[CMurdoch]

What I meant was having a shot high up the park, which is best position
It’s a pit my we couldn’t get him into our team, as he’s a top scoring midfielder

Yeah, high up on the left.
His team only had 34% possession so he did well to make some impression.
As I said if we get our money back on Stevie then everyone is a winner.

[Peevemor]

Agreed. I think the other thing people forget about Mallan is that he is only 24 with his best years ahead of him and plenty of time for improvement.

Paul Hartley was a player with obvious abilities who had shone with other Scottish teams, made an unsuccesful move down south and then came to Hibs where he showed glimpses of his ability. He then left us at 23/24 and went on to fulfill hos potential and def came back to haunt us. I feel there is potential for that to happen with Mallan.

I posted the same thing a few days ago.

[LaMotta]

I posted the same thing a few days ago.

Great minds think alike:greengrin

He has his faults yes but so much of the criticism is unfair - claiming he is a poor player or a passenger is just lazy analysis IMO.

[Brightside]

Mallan needed a team that plays football on the deck and not hoofing it or playing long passes into channels, yes he can be a bit of a luxury player but if he played for Rangers or Celtic he'd have thrived because the ball is on the deck, I think the last time we played that way regularly was when Dylan, McGinn and Allan was in the team.

Surely not JC. He's nowhere near the level.

[Booked4Being-Ugly]

Great minds think alike:greengrin

He has his faults yes but so much of the criticism is unfair - claiming he is a poor player or a passenger is just lazy analysis IMO.

It is, don't know why people cant just wish him well and move along.

[J-C]

Surely not JC. He's nowhere near the level.


Not saying he was that level but the style both play would suit him perfectly, the ball on the ground being played from back to front using the midfield and wide players properly, something we haven't done enough of over the last year or so.

[Since452]

I hope the option to buy is a good deal for Hibs. Mallan is a talented lad there's no doubt about it and will do well in the right side.

[Magpie]

Agreed. I think the other thing people forget about Mallan is that he is only 24 with his best years ahead of him and plenty of time for improvement.

Paul Hartley was a player with obvious abilities who had shone with other Scottish teams, made an unsuccesful move down south and then came to Hibs where he showed glimpses of his ability. He then left us at 23/24 and went on to fulfill his potential and def came back to haunt us. I feel there is potential for that to happen with Mallan.

I believe only Doidge and Kamberi have scored more goals than him since he signed for us. He also won Fans and Player’s player of the year in his first season with us. Scored some absolute belters and chipped in with assists too. He has contributed well to our club and my opinion is that he’s a good player. He has strengths which others players don’t have and he has weaknesses compared to other players too, if he was brilliant at everything he would be playing at a higher level than Hibs. Wish him all the best and I expect this thread to be updated regularly with good reviews whilst he’s away.

[Baader]

Like Mallan too. Sorry to see him go.

[Since452]

Wonder if the Turkish side take up their offer to buy we can say no? Not quite sure how it works. Surely both clubs can say no?

[Magpie]

Wonder if the Turkish side take up their offer to buy we can say no? Not quite sure how it works. Surely both clubs can say no?

I think when an option to buy is included the selling club no longer have any control over the agreement.

Just like if there was an obligation to buy then the buying club would have to complete the signing.

Unless there are circumstances that I’m unaware of?

[Stuart93]

Wonder if the Turkish side take up their offer to buy we can say no? Not quite sure how it works. Surely both clubs can say no?

Think the option to buy loan means if the other team decide they want him we can’t refuse to let him go. There’ll already be a set price agreed between us and them

Similar to how it was with us & kamberi

[Since452]

Think the option to buy loan means if the other team decide they want him we can’t refuse to let him go. There’ll already be a set price agreed between us and them

Similar to how it was with us & kamberi

Yeah I'd imagine so

[Since452]

I think when an option to buy is included the selling club no longer have any control over the agreement.

Just like if there was an obligation to buy then the buying club would have to complete the signing.

Unless there are circumstances that I’m unaware of?

Aye out of our hands now I think

[whiskyhibby]

I have to say Malian going to the Turkish Superleague which is several steps above the SPL was a bit of a surprise , but good luck to him, definitely a quality player, hope he does well there

[Unseen work]

I think for Mallan to really strive for us he needs to lose a bit of weight. Both fat and muscle.

He seems to have bulked up quite a bit from when he first arrived, whilst he’s still think his legs, backside and arms seem bigger which I think has slowed him down and he’s unable to really nip away from the opposition.

When he first came in he was a lot sharper and agile Imo and I think this is part of the reason, also when you see him in his St Mirren days it was the same.

He has more than enough football ability to play for us and I hope he comes back and gets in the side. He has the ability to change the game with his touch, shooting and passing. He just needs played behind a striker.

If he had 2 high energy players behind him that can do the defensive side (Irvine and Gogic) with him ahead off them I think he would be good as he could dictate and also play 1-2 with Doidge who will hold it up and lay it off, and Nisbet who will spin into space behind.

The last game in the first half I wished he was playing where Murphy was as he would at least get on the ball, try dictate and have a shot.

What he will never be is a central midfielder in a 442 which severely hinders him under Ross and makes me worry for Allan. Ross likes to be able to change formations during a game and having both of them in the starting 11 limits him from doing this early on in a game without making a sub.

[Greenbeard]

Wonder if the Turkish side take up their offer to buy we can say no? Not quite sure how it works. Surely both clubs can say no?
As might the man himself. Depends how he finds life in a foreign team/foreign land over the loan period. Malatya is smack bang in the middle of deepest Turkey and is closer to Syria than it is to the main Turkish tourist coast which looks to be at least 600 miles away. So he will definitely be getting a taste of the real Turkey.

[The Harp]

Delighted for Stevie. Cracking goal to start off with his new club.
Would much rather he was still with us, but wish him all the best.

[jacomo]

I have to say Malian going to the Turkish Superleague which is several steps above the SPL was a bit of a surprise , but good luck to him, definitely a quality player, hope he does well there


Is it really several steps better than our league? European competition would suggest not.

[whiskyhibby]

Is it really several steps better than our league? European competition would suggest not.


The UEFA stats would suggest not but I don’t think you will see Ozil, Falcao, or any of the other 1st team 11 players in the Turkish Superlig , looking to come to Scotland to improve themselves and their careers...

[cabbageandribs1875]

one stevie mallan
there's only one stevie mallan

[Since90+2]

Is it really several steps better than our league? European competition would suggest not.

I'd imagine your run of the mill Turkish side is better than your average SPL team like Killie, Dundee United,St Mirren.

Not based on much just a hunch.

[JohnMcM]

Like Mallan too. Sorry to see him go.

Me too.

I believe he was the right player for us but the style of football we adopted wasn’t always allowing him to do what he does best, i.e. accurate passing, creating space for himself, very often one touch control to shoot and picking the right moment to run at a defence, and of course, his dead ball strikes.

Many won’t agree with me but in my opinion we’ve let a match-winner in the right set-up and tactics to leave us, probably for good.

[CB Hibs 68]

Not sure they go to the Super Liga to further there career more a case of a hefty pay deal from the big clubs in Istanbul.

[Tommy75]

Was it ever confirmed or rumoured how the loan move came about? Pretty random place for him to end up on loan.

[xyz23jc]

This just is not true. He wouldn't get near Celtic or Rangers side because he doesn't have anything like the physical attributes to play at that level. He doesn't even have the football skills either. Compare to him to someone like Callum McGregor, who can beat players, create goals, make driving runs etc. Thats a player who trives at Celtic or Rangers. Mallan is not good enough for Hibs. His first few months are still massively blinkering folk.

Hibs have not always hoofed the ball in his time here (we don't even do it now). Just completely untrue. Scott Allan put up amazing numbers last season, why couldn't Mallan? Watch the 2-2 draw with St Johnstone earlier in the season. Mallan was the man that game, in his supposed best position, Hibs playing football, and he just gave the ball away all night. He was dreadful.

His football attributes aren't anywhere near the level folk think they are. When is the last time he beat a couple of opponents? Or played a killer pass? Played a nice 2-1?

I don't get this idea he is a brilliant but luxury player. Other than a good shot and good finishing, he doesn't really do anything that well.

Jack Ross, the manager he has his best ever form under, cannot get it out of him at this level. Its just not happening.

Just a thought....

Stephen Mallan vs Callum McGregor - Compare two players stats 2021 (fctables.com) (https://www.fctables.com/stephen_mallan-vs-callum_mcgregor-316688-216303/)

[Jim44]

I hear all the counter arguments, and those who agree with them will be happy to see the back of Mallan, but I wish he was still part of our squad.

[GreenCastle]

This just is not true. He wouldn't get near Celtic or Rangers side because he doesn't have anything like the physical attributes to play at that level. He doesn't even have the football skills either. Compare to him to someone like Callum McGregor, who can beat players, create goals, make driving runs etc. Thats a player who trives at Celtic or Rangers. Mallan is not good enough for Hibs. His first few months are still massively blinkering folk.

Hibs have not always hoofed the ball in his time here (we don't even do it now). Just completely untrue. Scott Allan put up amazing numbers last season, why couldn't Mallan? Watch the 2-2 draw with St Johnstone earlier in the season. Mallan was the man that game, in his supposed best position, Hibs playing football, and he just gave the ball away all night. He was dreadful.

His football attributes aren't anywhere near the level folk think they are. When is the last time he beat a couple of opponents? Or played a killer pass? Played a nice 2-1?

I don't get this idea he is a brilliant but luxury player. Other than a good shot and good finishing, he doesn't really do anything that well.

Jack Ross, the manager he has his best ever form under, cannot get it out of him at this level. Its just not happening.

You missed out he was injured from December 2019 till August 2020 due to knee issues / surgery.

That’s over 8 months.

The guy has been unfortunate with that and hasn’t had a decent run of games for a while plus we had the issue of signing Allan who he couldn’t play alongside.

He needs energetic players around him but he’s definitely a game winner with his goals and assists.

With Newell and Irvine probably not going to be around next season we will need a midfield again - think he was getting fed up not getting a chance so wish him all the best.

[Scott Allan Key]

Good luck to the lad, always liked the unpredictability about him when he was on the park. Still think he's nuts to go over there.Turkey's a much richer, stabler country than it once was. Found it a wonderful place. You çan have a great life out there, football, weather, food and people all decent.

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[FilipinoHibs]

Turkey's a much richer, stabler country than it once was. Found it a wonderful place. You çan have a great life out there, football, weather, food and people all decent.

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Apart from the suppression of the Kurdish people, an authoritarian Islamic government, an economy in crisis, not a bad place.

https://www.amnesty.org/en/countries/europe-and-central-asia/turkey/report-turkey/

[Scott Allan Key]

Apart from the suppression of the Kurdish people, an authoritarian Islamic government, an economy in crisis, not a bad place.

https://www.amnesty.org/en/countries/europe-and-central-asia/turkey/report-turkey/At least the women aren't subjugated as sex slaves to an occupying US military like in the Philippines.

And what's the reference of 'authoritarian Islamic'. Are you Islamophobic? I don't think casting Islamic as wholly negative is allowed here.

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[Itsnoteasy]

🍿 this could be a late one

[cabbageandribs1875]

Apart from the suppression of the Kurdish people, an authoritarian Islamic government, an economy in crisis, not a bad place.

https://www.amnesty.org/en/countries/europe-and-central-asia/turkey/report-turkey/



a terrorist in a suit :agree:


and the **** describes protesting students as 'terrorists'

[houstonhibbee]

Looks like he scored on his debut..........

[J-C]

Turkey's a much richer, stabler country than it once was. Found it a wonderful place. You çan have a great life out there, football, weather, food and people all decent.

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I holidayed in Turkey many times over the years,not been there for around 13-14 years now as it started to change. It's a big self sufficient country, a modern thinking open minded Muslim country and I never worried when I was there. There's a new man in charge unfortunately and he's a hard line Muslim who has taken the country backward in the eyes of many, the holiday areas on the turquoise coastline may seem normal but they have a lot of problems internally. Lovely people but volatile country.

[BSEJVT]

I wish Stevie Mallan nothing but the best.

I hope he gets back to playing regularly and enjoying his football again.

If we could get the Stevie Mallan we signed back I would take him in a heartbeat

Hopefully this loan spell will help discover if that guy still exists.

[Viva_Palmeiras]

Looks like he scored on his debut..........

Was gonna say that when I looked at the stats.

[basehibby]

Difficult to let talented players like Mallan go but he has not been holding down a place at Hibs for a while now. I don't know what exact system would have suited Mallan but he seems the kind of player you just about have to build the team around to get the best out of him and - well he's just not THAT good a player that it would be justified doing so at Hibs.

We have a lot of good midfielders and it would be unfair to hold Mallan back and a waste of a wage to have him sitting in the stands most weeks so I think this is a good move for both the player and the club. I hope like Hartley did years before, he goes on to fully exploit his strengths and nullify his weaknesses and become a better more rounded player - would be nice if he didn't come back to haunt us quite as much tho :rolleyes:

[basehibby]

At least the women aren't subjugated as sex slaves to an occupying US military like in the Philippines.

And what's the reference of 'authoritarian Islamic'. Are you Islamophobic? I don't think casting Islamic as wholly negative is allowed here.

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As Islamic nations go Turkey was always by far one of the most progressive from a Western Point of View - largely due to Kemal Ataturk's re-definition of the nation as a secular nation after the fall of the Ottoman Empire. Erdogan HAS though taken the country in a more religious conservative direction, although by comparison to the archaic monotheist monarchies in the region (the ones our government at Westminster loves so much) Turkey remains a beacon of progressiveness in the Islamic world.

Re authoritarianism - through our lens from a liberal democracy Turkey has always appeared authoritarian and Erdogan's lurch towards the religious right has only made it more so. I don't think you can therefore claim there's anything intrinsically wrong with the comment you are highlighting - it's not islamophobic - merely calling a spade a spade as under Erdogan Turkey has become MORE authoritarian and MORE Islamic than it was in the recent past.

[cabbageandribs1875]

Erdogan couldn't lace Ataturk's boots


fact

[SonOfDavidFrancey]

If you want to understand the conflicts in modern Turkey I'd recommend Orhan Pamuk's 'Istanbul: Memories and the City'.

[hibbysam]

I wish Stevie Mallan nothing but the best.

I hope he gets back to playing regularly and enjoying his football again.

If we could get the Stevie Mallan we signed back I would take him in a heartbeat

Hopefully this loan spell will help discover if that guy still exists.

He could earn himself an absolute fortune over there, and hearing he already is due to the wages they are paying on top of his Hibs wages. Could be a decent earner for Hibs if he goes there and does well also.

[kaimendhibs]

Turkey is a secular nation and the people, in my experience are lovely.
I have been several times and went to Istanbul which is amazing. I have always felt safe.
Erdogan is trying to change things but most I know do not like him.
We were booked to go back to Istanbul again in March but thats sadly cancelled.

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[Vault Boy]

A thread that was meant to be about Stevie Mallan. 🙄