Great result & 3rd in the league

[Unseen work]

We’ve just moved into 3rd place beating the team that have just beat Celtic, pumped Dundee United and overall have been in really good form.


Why does it seem like there is a severe lack of praise of this or acknowledgement?


When I come on here after a victory you’re lucky if there is 2 new threads, after a defeat there is about 6 and every single player is getting slated.


It’s infuriating and seems like most just enjoy slating the team.


Was it a classic? No. First half we were poor and couldn’t string 5 passes together.


Jack Ross clearly have them a rocket at half time as we came out with a much faster tempo to our play and his sub scored.


Moving Jamie Murphy and Boyle out wide again proved to be a really good decision from Ross with both of them performing much better this half and cost all kind of problems running at the opposition.


We played the conditions well and should have scored more. Doidge’s header, Murphy hitting the post and there was more where it just never quite broke our way.


We’re now 3rd in the league and this season we’ve won 13, drew 7 and lost 7.


Although Aberdeen have a game in hand, if we beat them Saturday then we’re in that position on merit and not because we’ve played a game more.


Ross gets all kind of abuse and everyone is in a rush to start a thread about his stats and how he should be sacked, let’s give him some credit when it’s due also.




Well done Hibernian :flag:

[Since452]

We’ve just moved into 3rd place beating the team that have just beat Celtic, pumped Dundee United and overall have been in really good form.


Why does it seem like there is a severe lack of praise of this or acknowledgement?


When I come on here after a victory you’re lucky if there is 2 new threads, after a defeat there is about 6 and every single player is getting slated.


It’s infuriating and seems like most just enjoy slating the team.


Was it a classic? No. First half we were poor and couldn’t string 5 passes together.


Jack Ross clearly have them a rocket at half time as we came out with a much faster tempo to our play and his sub scored.


Moving Jamie Murphy and Boyle out wide again proved to be a really good decision from Ross with both of them performing much better this half and cost all kind of problems running at the opposition.


We played the conditions well and should have scored more. Doidge’s header, Murphy hitting the post and there was more where it just never quite broke our way.


We’re now 3rd in the league and this season we’ve won 13, drew 7 and lost 7.


Although Aberdeen have a game in hand, if we beat them Saturday then we’re in that position on merit and not because we’ve played a game more.


Ross gets all kind of abuse and everyone is in a rush to start a thread about his stats and how he should be sacked, let’s give him some credit when it’s due also.




Well done Hibernian :flag:



It's easier in life to focus on negatives than positives. Good post.

[JimBHibees]

He has done an excellent job overall. Huge result tonight. Win on Saturday ad we are in a strong position for 3rd.

[Northernhibee]

Said it over on the PM board but I think we often use the tactic to keep it tight in the first half and suss a team out before looking for a bit of skill or a change of shape in the second half that will put them to the sword. It's almost like a game of chess with Jack Ross at times and we often see subtle changes in shape in the second half of a game. Sometimes it doesn't work, more often than not it does.

[04Sauzee]

We are only 1 point worse of than we were at this stage in the season when we returned to the Premier with Lennon. We are having a good league season.

[Iain G]

It's easier in life to focus on negatives than positives. Good post.

Only if people allow themselves to do so, it's much healthier to look at the positives. But that's not the typical Scottish mentality is it?

[Johnny_Leith]

Outside the OF we've taken the most points since JR came in.

The semi final results really diminish the overall vibe for me, makes me think the team lacks the mentality required to win competitions but there's no doubt it's a decent squad. Finishing 3rd would be good and would start to go some way to mending the damage done in the cup competitions.

Livi are absolutely flying (no wonder with Marv and Efe playing prominent roles) and Aberdeen will continue to pick up points. It'll be interesting to see how we do after the split.

[Cat Stanton]

Well said, the OP. Spot on.

[18Craig75]

Good post and echos a lot of my feelings! GGTTH

[Onion]

It's easier in life to focus on negatives than positives. Good post.

Because most of the time, that's how you improve.

Jack Ross' away record is outstanding, would guess in the top 3 of away records we've had in 30 years , but the football we're playing is not the sum of the parts. Good individual players in each position but much of time producing horrible, slow, nervy, predictable football. That's squarely down to the manager and leaders on the pitch.

We could do a decent leader/captain, a creative midfielder, more solid defence and a shot of belief in the team/club. The lack of these has lead us to lose two of the most winnable cup semi-finals we've had in years.

[Andy74]

Because most of the time, that's how you improve.

Jack Ross' away record is outstanding, would guess in the top 3 of away records we've had in 30 years , but the football we're playing is not the sum of the parts. Good individual players in each position but much of time producing horrible, slow, nervy, predictable football. That's squarely down to the manager and leaders on the pitch.

We could do a decent leader/captain, a creative midfielder, more solid defence and a shot of belief in the team/club. The lack of these has lead us to lose two of the most winnable cup semi-finals we've had in years.

You improve by learning and moving on. You don’t focus on and wallow in negativity.

[Northernhibee]

Because most of the time, that's how you improve.


You improve by learning from mistakes but not dwelling on them. If you punish mistakes too much or for too long then it creates fear or nervousness, but if you learn from them and go back and try to do better the next time around without the fear of failure you move forward.

[Smartie]

I've been pretty critical and pessimistic of late but credit where it is due, those are two outstanding results in 4 days.

We were under pressure having been returning poor results for a while but we've ground out 6 points on the road and they have been most welcome.

Pleased to see Boyle play well 2nd half tonight and he had a good goal at the weekend. Cadden was quieter tonight but Irvine was impressive again.

Big game Saturday. Ross could do himself a lot of favours by winning a big game or two (although after the run we've been on both the games we've just won have been big games).

We need to sort the home form out because the away form has been little short of spectacular.

[ekhibee]

Outside the OF we've taken the most points since JR came in.

The semi final results really diminish the overall vibe for me, makes me think the team lacks the mentality required to win competitions but there's no doubt it's a decent squad. Finishing 3rd would be good and would start to go some way to mending the damage done in the cup competitions.

Livi are absolutely flying (no wonder with Marv and Efe playing prominent roles) and Aberdeen will continue to pick up points. It'll be interesting to see how we do after the split.

Yeh, this is what I think too. We just never know what to expect with this Hibs side, especially at home. We're perfectly capable of beating Aberdeen, but right now, daft as it may sound, I'd prefer if the game was at Pittodrie. Livvie, for me, are the biggest danger, they beat us comfortably just as they beat Aberdeen comfortably, and they've really got momentum. As you say, the games after the split should be fascinating.

[badabing67]

If only our home form could match our away form we would be nearly out of sight in second. I think this has to be enigma of our season so far and I find it hard to understand why its the case. The pitch at ER is in poor condition but so are the rest of the grass pitches in the league, so we can't really blame the pitch. But we really do need to start improving our form at home, if we could start on Saturday it might go along way help Jack get the monkey's of his back. Personally I think he will do it. The sooner the better

[Northernhibee]

If only our home form could match our away form we would be nearly out of sight in second. I think this has to be enigma of our season so far and I find it hard to understand why its the case. The pitch at ER is in poor condition but so are the rest of the grass pitches in the league, so we can't really blame the pitch. But we really do need to start improving our form at home, if we could start on Saturday it might go along way help Jack get the monkey's of his back. Personally I think he will do it. The sooner the better

I think it's because we're most effective as a counter attacking team. At ER teams often come in and sit in which makes it difficult for us to play our natural game. Away from home there's a bit more pressure on teams not to do that - even without fans - and we're able to do what we do better.

[easty]

We are where we deserve to be. Only the top two have scored more or conceded less than us.

We can still be better, but it could, and has been, so much worse.

[houstonhibbee]

We’ve just moved into 3rd place beating the team that have just beat Celtic, pumped Dundee United and overall have been in really good form.


Why does it seem like there is a severe lack of praise of this or acknowledgement?


When I come on here after a victory you’re lucky if there is 2 new threads, after a defeat there is about 6 and every single player is getting slated.


It’s infuriating and seems like most just enjoy slating the team.


Was it a classic? No. First half we were poor and couldn’t string 5 passes together.


Jack Ross clearly have them a rocket at half time as we came out with a much faster tempo to our play and his sub scored.


Moving Jamie Murphy and Boyle out wide again proved to be a really good decision from Ross with both of them performing much better this half and cost all kind of problems running at the opposition.


We played the conditions well and should have scored more. Doidge’s header, Murphy hitting the post and there was more where it just never quite broke our way.


We’re now 3rd in the league and this season we’ve won 13, drew 7 and lost 7.


Although Aberdeen have a game in hand, if we beat them Saturday then we’re in that position on merit and not because we’ve played a game more.


Ross gets all kind of abuse and everyone is in a rush to start a thread about his stats and how he should be sacked, let’s give him some credit when it’s due also.




Well done Hibernian :flag:



Just what I was thinking. We won but not a peep....... maybe everyone is waiting to watch it on Alba so a delayed reaction :confused:

[et_hibby]

It's easier in life to focus on negatives than positives. Good post.
I’ll second this. Up the Hibees.

[The Harp]

Pretty sure if we'd been beaten tonight there would've been a lot more posts on the outcome of the game.
I suppose the old adage 'bad news sells papers' applies to Hibs.net as well.
Some folk are clearly only content when they've got something to moan about.

[silverhibee]

We’ve just moved into 3rd place beating the team that have just beat Celtic, pumped Dundee United and overall have been in really good form.


Why does it seem like there is a severe lack of praise of this or acknowledgement?


When I come on here after a victory you’re lucky if there is 2 new threads, after a defeat there is about 6 and every single player is getting slated.


It’s infuriating and seems like most just enjoy slating the team.


Was it a classic? No. First half we were poor and couldn’t string 5 passes together.


Jack Ross clearly have them a rocket at half time as we came out with a much faster tempo to our play and his sub scored.


Moving Jamie Murphy and Boyle out wide again proved to be a really good decision from Ross with both of them performing much better this half and cost all kind of problems running at the opposition.


We played the conditions well and should have scored more. Doidge’s header, Murphy hitting the post and there was more where it just never quite broke our way.


We’re now 3rd in the league and this season we’ve won 13, drew 7 and lost 7.


Although Aberdeen have a game in hand, if we beat them Saturday then we’re in that position on merit and not because we’ve played a game more.


Ross gets all kind of abuse and everyone is in a rush to start a thread about his stats and how he should be sacked, let’s give him some credit when it’s due also.




Well done Hibernian :flag:



I think we should be pushing for 2nd, agree with everything you say though, 3rd will be great, 2nd and we can ask Celtc for a loan of the disco lights. :greengrin

[Sir David Gray]

I think we should be pushing for 2nd, agree with everything you say though, 3rd will be great, 2nd and we can ask Celtc for a loan of the disco lights. :greengrin

If Celtic win their two games in hand, they'll be 12 points ahead of us. I can't see us getting 2nd, I'd just be delighted with 3rd to be honest.

[Northernhibee]

I think we should be pushing for 2nd, agree with everything you say though, 3rd will be great, 2nd and we can ask Celtc for a loan of the disco lights. :greengrin

TBH all we can do is keep racking up the points. If that's enough for 2nd then brilliant, but I think that if we focus on 2nd we're relying on what Celtic do, and we're taking our eyes off the here and now. It's a cliche but this is a decent run of games we have coming up and we just need to focus on three points each time.

We're not going to be able to force 2nd through what we do alone but we can get 3rd.

[Crab apple]

A really good result tonight made even better by the sheep getting beat. Win on Saturday and I'll get a lot more optimistic about securing third place.

[B.H.F.C]

The semi final results really diminish the overall vibe for me, makes me think the team lacks the mentality required to win competitions but there's no doubt it's a decent squad. Finishing 3rd would be good and would start to go some way to mending the damage done in the cup competitions.


We’ve put ourselves in a great position in the league. Saturday is a massive game now. Win that and third is ours to lose, for me.

Pretty much agree with all of the above. We need to go in to Saturday with a real belief and, if something goes against us, we need to react to it better than we have most of the time when that’s happened.

[SChibs]

2nd top of the form table for the last 5 games ahead of the all conquering Livi

[Magpie]

Delighted with the result tonight. We have done well to get two away results after a bad run of form where confidence has been low, so credit to Ross and the players. Aberdeen is a huge game on the weekend, we need to get that monkey off our back in these ‘big’ games. I haven’t particularly enjoyed the way we have been playing but as long as we are winning I can see through that until the end of the season.

[Northernhibee]

I do get the feeling that if we had fans in stadia then we'd be absolutely ****ing buzzing about the run in for the league. I have to admit that I've not taken to it as badly - I work quite a few weekends so often have to rely on TV for catching up with Hibs - but I can understand that the disconnect from what's going on in the stadium will be a bigger step for many.

[JohnM1875]

There isn't an abundance of threads after a win like that due to style of football on show in my opinion. I mean the halftime highlights were a foul on Doidge, a few tackles and the red card.

Second half was definitely better, Murphy and Boyle really came onto a game too but because it wasn't great to watch there aren't going to be multiple threads about it.


Weather probably played a factor an no one can deny being third this stage of the season is good going. Saturday is massive now!

[WeeRussell]

Don’t worry, I’m sure there are plenty of “Ross out” posters sat with their finger on ‘submit reply’ choking on Saturday 4.45pm 👍

[wookie70]

It's amazing what a week can do to form. We are now, out with The Rangers the form team in the league over the last 5 games. I find it hard to get enthused about football when I am not there in person. I still shout the house down when we score and let a few expletives go when we conceded but it isn't the same not going to games. Fitba should be watched in real life not on the Googlebox. The style of play and the general quality hasn't really given us much to be positive about but I get the feeling we are close to being better to watch. Ross just has to happen upon the right combination just like Lennon did when SDG got injured and Boyle played RWB. The good news is we are starting to look like we have more than a fair chance of third and that could mean lots of European games

[ekhibee]

It's amazing what a week can do to form. We are now, out with The Rangers the form team in the league over the last 5 games. I find it hard to get enthused about football when I am not there in person. I still shout the house down when we score and let a few expletives go when we conceded but it isn't the same not going to games. Fitba should be watched in real life not on the Googlebox. The style of play and the general quality hasn't really given us much to be positive about but I get the feeling we are close to being better to watch. Ross just has to happen upon the right combination just like Lennon did when SDG got injured and Boyle played RWB. The good news is we are starting to look like we have more than a fair chance of third and that could mean lots of European games

I agree totally with a lot of what you say, but surely Livvie are the form team outside Rangers?

[FilipinoHibs]

I have watched Hibs for over 50 years and the first half display was one of the worst I've seen. Ee could make a pass and just hooked the ball long. Second to most balls. No real energy or desire. We do really seem to blow hot and cold. Not just in a whole game but in halves. Great result and second half was much better.

[SaulGoodman]

I have watched Hibs for over 50 years and the first half display was one of the worst I've seen.

Sorry but that’s nonsense.

[Pretty Boy]

I'm not sure there is a huge amount to be said about that game tonight.

There weren't really any stand out performances, good or bad. It was a get in, get the job done and move on performance. First half wasn't great, some of the 2nd half was better. We won. I'd struggle to really think of anything I wanted to discuss in any great detail.

Had we won 4-0 and played like 2009 vintage Barcelona I would have been all over the forum enthusing about it. Had we been utter rubbish and lost 4-0 I'd have been having a right good moan. As it is it was a very good win but I can't say I can think of much more to say than that, it just was.

I understand why it happens but if people want to harbour a more positive atmosphere on here then I'm not sure bumping old threads or dragging up comments made in a completely different context helps with that. Both 'sides' do it but it's a bit of an oddity almost exclusively found online and it's always going to prevent things moving on.

[Shrekko]

Sorry but that’s nonsense.

It really is.

A Hibs fan of 50 years must have an incredibly selective memory to pick this out as one of the worst 45 minutes they’ve seen! As bad as the game was our goalie hardly touched the ball.

There’s just no balance to this OTT negativity. I never believed I’d live to see us in 3rd with the manager and team being attacked so relentlessly by a section of our support. It starts on social media as soon as the team line up is announced.

Now that Saturday is indisputably a ‘big’ games the knives will be getting sharpened as we speak.

[john rossi]

Great 3 points tonight but let’s not kid ourselves on to get third we luck on our side concerning injuries to key players Doidge, Boyle, nisbet as we have no backup for those players. Another worry is joe newal missing through injury with Mallen out on loan and Scott Allan still not fit we are lacking a playmaker sorry to be a doom and gloomier but just stating the facts.

[wookie70]

I agree totally with a lot of what you say, but surely Livvie are the form team outside Rangers? Depends on how long you measure it over I suppose but I went for the BBC site which shows the last 5 games as recent form. We have 10 points and Livi have 9 from those last 5 games.

[Dalianwanda]

Great 3 points tonight but let’s not kid ourselves on to get third we luck on our side concerning injuries to key players Doidge, Boyle, nisbet as we have no backup for those players. Another worry is joe newal missing through injury with Mallen out on loan and Scott Allan still not fit we are lacking a playmaker sorry to be a doom and gloomier but just stating the facts.

As soon as you involve luck it’s no longer a fact 😉

[FilipinoHibs]

It really is.

A Hibs fan of 50 years must have an incredibly selective memory to pick this out as one of the worst 45 minutes they’ve seen! As bad as the game was our goalie hardly touched the ball.

There’s just no balance to this OTT negativity. I never believed I’d live to see us in 3rd with the manager and team being attacked so relentlessly by a section of our support. It starts on social media as soon as the team line up is announced.

Now that Saturday is indisputably a ‘big’ games the knives will be getting sharpened as we speak.

I can assure I have a good memory and the first half was one of the worst I have seen. Could not put two passes together, played long ball. No desire or commitment. We had ouble controlling the ball. A lot may be down to Ross's tactics tonight. Sit tight let them come on us. Don't take risks. Play it long. Rocky seemed to kick long more than usual. After half time things improved. We passed better and tried to keep pocession. Porto helped from the back and tactics were designed to beat 10 men. Boyle made a big impact out right and Murphy was brought into the game. We were saved by the sending off tonight. No two ways about it. Sure Saturday will be more of the same negative tactics to avoid a defeat

[hibbysam]

I can assure I have a good memory and the first half was one of the worst I have seen. Could not put two passes together, played long ball. No desire or commitment. We had ouble controlling the ball. A lot may be down to Ross's tactics tonight. Sit tight let them come on us. Don't take risks. Play it long. Rocky seemed to kick long more than usual. After half time things improved. We passed better and tried to keep pocession. Porto helped from the back and tactics were designed to beat 10 men. Boyle made a big impact out right and Murphy was brought into the game. We were saved by the sending off tonight. No two ways about it. Sure Saturday will be more of the same negative tactics to avoid a defeat

You can’t tell that. While we were poor it was 0-0 and they created nothing. Impossible to tell how the rest of the game would pan out.

[Gmack7]

Great result which puts us in a great position. If we could just get the injured players up to full fitness we could really kick on

[Peevemor]

You can’t tell that. While we were poor it was 0-0 and they created nothing. Impossible to tell how the rest of the game would pan out.

Exactly, especially given the options we had on the bench and JR's habit of changing things early in the 2nd half.

[JimBHibees]

Sorry but that’s nonsense.

Clearly nonsense agree.

[scoopyboy]

I have watched Hibs for over 50 years and the first half display was one of the worst I've seen. Ee could make a pass and just hooked the ball long. Second to most balls. No real energy or desire. We do really seem to blow hot and cold. Not just in a whole game but in halves. Great result and second half was much better.

You may have seen your first Hibs game over 50 years ago but if you think the first half was one of the worst you have seen then my comment can only be you must have missed a helluva lot of games over that period.

I've seen Hibs relegated three times, travelled back on from places like Tannadice and Pittodrie having been humped 5-0 in the 1980's and you think a poor first half performance at Paisley is one of the worst you have ever seen.

Dearie me it isn't even the poorest first half we have had this season.

People are entitled to their opinions but that is up there with thinking the earth is flat.

[calumhibee1]

I'm not sure there is a huge amount to be said about that game tonight.

There weren't really any stand out performances, good or bad. It was a get in, get the job done and move on performance. First half wasn't great, some of the 2nd half was better. We won. I'd struggle to really think of anything I wanted to discuss in any great detail.

Had we won 4-0 and played like 2009 vintage Barcelona I would have been all over the forum enthusing about it. Had we been utter rubbish and lost 4-0 I'd have been having a right good moan. As it is it was a very good win but I can't say I can think of much more to say than that, it just was.

I understand why it happens but if people want to harbour a more positive atmosphere on here then I'm not sure bumping old threads or dragging up comments made in a completely different context helps with that. Both 'sides' do it but it's a bit of an oddity almost exclusively found online and it's always going to prevent things moving on.

:agree:

Good result, a decent performance in terms of being the better team and pretty crap to watch.

There’s very little to discuss from that game tonight

[Brightside]

I can assure I have a good memory and the first half was one of the worst I have seen. Could not put two passes together, played long ball. No desire or commitment. We had ouble controlling the ball. A lot may be down to Ross's tactics tonight. Sit tight let them come on us. Don't take risks. Play it long. Rocky seemed to kick long more than usual. After half time things improved. We passed better and tried to keep pocession. Porto helped from the back and tactics were designed to beat 10 men. Boyle made a big impact out right and Murphy was brought into the game. We were saved by the sending off tonight. No two ways about it. Sure Saturday will be more of the same negative tactics to avoid a defeat

Are you sure you didn’t fall asleep for the first half. It wasn’t great but it was far from the worst. Wasn’t even the worst this season and there was many many worse performances under Lennon/Stubbs/butcher. So that’s just recently. A few people just don’t like Ross and their reactions and comments and being massively shaded by that opinion.

[Brightside]

Because most of the time, that's how you improve.

Jack Ross' away record is outstanding, would guess in the top 3 of away records we've had in 30 years , but the football we're playing is not the sum of the parts. Good individual players in each position but much of time producing horrible, slow, nervy, predictable football. That's squarely down to the manager and leaders on the pitch.

We could do a decent leader/captain, a creative midfielder, more solid defence and a shot of belief in the team/club. The lack of these has lead us to lose two of the most winnable cup semi-finals we've had in years.

That’s first line isn’t how you improve. Focussing on negatives seriously hampers performance and development.

[tonyrougier123]

Great 3 points tonight but let’s not kid ourselves on to get third we luck on our side concerning injuries to key players Doidge, Boyle, nisbet as we have no backup for those players. Another worry is joe newal missing through injury with Mallen out on loan and Scott Allan still not fit we are lacking a playmaker sorry to be a doom and gloomier but just stating the facts.
Having those key players missing and still winning games is a very good sign.

[worcesterhibby]

The first half may have lacked slick passing football, but the commitment was there. We pressed as a team when out of possession and looked to get forward when possible. Both teams lacked composure, but we looked the most likely.

i thought the team worked, very, very hard for 90 mins last night ans was delighted with the result.

[MWHIBBIES]

Great 3 points tonight but let’s not kid ourselves on to get third we luck on our side concerning injuries to key players Doidge, Boyle, nisbet as we have no backup for those players. Another worry is joe newal missing through injury with Mallen out on loan and Scott Allan still not fit we are lacking a playmaker sorry to be a doom and gloomier but just stating the facts.

Same for any team, though. Dunno why you have to state this. Literally if any other side in the league loses 3 or 4 key players they plummet. Anyone in the world even.

[killie-hibby]

I have watched Hibs for over 50 years and the first half display was one of the worst I've seen. Ee could make a pass and just hooked the ball long. Second to most balls. No real energy or desire. We do really seem to blow hot and cold. Not just in a whole game but in halves. Great result and second half was much better.

I have suffered Hibs for many years more than you. The first half last night was very poor but actually OK in comparison to some of the halves and whole matches performed with teams selected by Ewing, Auld, Stanton, Blackley, Duffy, Williamson, Paatelainen, Hughes, Calderwood, Fenlon, Butcher, Lennon and Heckingbottom. Maybe you missed out on some games over the past 50 years.
I agree it was a great result and decent second half.

[The Spaceman]

That result will have put a zipper on the clueless “fans” who wanted Ross out. You love to see it.

[HendoDelivered]

Anyone know who P McGinn was having go at, at FT?

[Peevemor]

That result will have put a zipper on the clueless “fans” who wanted Ross out. You love to see it.

I've a feeling it'll take more than that, and for some he's beyond redemption.

[blackpoolhibs]

The first half we matched them in the battle, they pressed high and stopped our defenders playing out from the back.

Rocky had nothing to do in that first half, but we apart from a couple of forays from Murphy were creating nothing bar the odd cross.

Just before half time, great anticipation from Boyle would have given us a goal, but the keeper brought him down stopping the easy tap in to an empty net.

We would have been 1-0 up at half time had he not stopped Boyle and he would not have been sent off.

The 2nd half we scored twice, Rocky again did not have one save to make, but we did lose a daft goal when committing too many players forward, and not defending properly.

We had a few chances we failed to convert, and also hit the post too. Anyone saying we were lucky obviously has an agenda against us, just because we only won by one goal, does not mean that was not a comfortable win.

[easty]

I have watched Hibs for over 50 years and the first half display was one of the worst I've seen. Ee could make a pass and just hooked the ball long. Second to most balls. No real energy or desire. We do really seem to blow hot and cold. Not just in a whole game but in halves. Great result and second half was much better.

It wasn’t even the worst we’ve played this season.

I’ve been on Hibs.net for over 16 years, and the first half of your post is one of the most dramatic I’ve ever seen.

[easty]

That result will have put a zipper on the clueless “fans” who wanted Ross out. You love to see it.

Won’t even come close, because winning isn’t enough, finishing 3rd wouldn’t be enough. He’ll still just be a guy with no bottle for the big games to some. We could finish with a record number of points, and for some people the first thought would be “we’re so boring”.

[neil7908]

I agree with the OP to a extent. I've been pretty negative about Ross and the semifinal defeats still sting. But credit where its due, last 2 wins have been huge.

I think as other posters have alluded to though, it's hard to get excited about the team at the moment given the style of football and (at least for me) the feeling that we'll struggle in the big games.

I know beating Aberdeen is never easy but they are rubbish this season. After two good wins I have no faith that we'll win on Saturday.

I know this is the same for every club but I do find it harder to engage positively with Hibs when I can't get to a game. The wins don't give the same high as it would being at ER, but the losses still seem to rankle. Is that fair? Of course not, but it's the way, and I suspect many others, feel in the current climate.

[bingo70]

Won’t even come close, because winning isn’t enough, finishing 3rd wouldn’t be enough. He’ll still just be a guy with no bottle for the big games to some. We could finish with a record number of points, and for some people the first thought would be “we’re so boring”.

I have been very critical of Ross, sure many people think too critical, I’ve not thought it was the right time to sack him though so was happy for him to stay.

Looking at the league position just now I don’t think there’s any doubt I’ve been harsh on him but it’s never been based on results, it’s been about the boring football and the performance in the big games.

I’m still not convinced we’re that good but you can’t argue with the stats and Ross has got a terrific chance for us to finish 3rd now, if we are to do so he’s going to have to start winning some of these big matches, starting with Aberdeen on Saturday.

If we finish third he’ll get cut a lot more slack from folk like me. Going into next season his derby record will define how he does I think. Rightly or wrongly if he keeps losing derbies, fans won’t take to him and he’ll never be far from a crisis.

[B.H.F.C]

The 2nd half we scored twice, Rocky again did not have one save to make, but we did lose a daft goal when committing too many players forward, and not defending properly.


Actually thought we did quite well in the second half and took advantage of the extra man. Boyle was as better than he’s been for a good while once he went back out to the right. Without doing anything special, Nisbet made a difference as soon as he came on just with some of his touches.

Goal we lost was like the whole team lost concentration and thought they could do as they pleased as the game was over.

[DIXIHIBS]

The point many are making about the few positive comments after a win compared to the many comments after a defeat are spot on. Im new to posting on here and hibs.net is thankfully not very reflective of the wider hibs support. I suppose that is true of most fans forums. When we were going to games i would meet mates after and talk about the game good and bad. I would then come on here and there really is a very different vibe. Very quick to criticise but slow to praise. Everyone is entitled to their opinions i just hope the players/manager dont look in here too often. Hibs are doing well just now, its really not that often we are sitting 3rd so lets enjoy it. We are not the best team in the world, but we are not the worst either.

[dchibs]

Yeh, this is what I think too. We just never know what to expect with this Hibs side, especially at home. We're perfectly capable of beating Aberdeen, but right now, daft as it may sound, I'd prefer if the game was at Pittodrie. Livvie, for me, are the biggest danger, they beat us comfortably just as they beat Aberdeen comfortably, and they've really got momentum. As you say, the games after the split should be fascinating.

This is how I feel about our play also, when somebody put a prodiction of 5 games up from sevco onwards I put us to draw the first game more in hope than any thing else with us playing at home, Iput us to win at DU and SM 2 great results by the way I then put us to draw with the sheep and RC first at home and Rc away In now hope we can really push on and change our metality at home against Aberdeen with a win and keep our away form.

[B.H.F.C]

Won’t even come close, because winning isn’t enough, finishing 3rd wouldn’t be enough. He’ll still just be a guy with no bottle for the big games to some. We could finish with a record number of points, and for some people the first thought would be “we’re so boring”.

Doesn’t make folk clueless for holding that view though. If folk don’t enjoy what they’re watching then that’s up to them.

Much like the cups, we’ve put ourselves in a really good position in the league. Some folk won’t forget the missed opportunities in the cups but there’s only one way to start winning those folk round and that is winning some of the games that are deemed to be big games. It’s pretty clear folk aren’t going to change their minds based on a good record against teams in the lower half of the league.

[easty]

Doesn’t make folk clueless for holding that view though. If folk don’t enjoy what they’re watching then that’s up to them.

Much like the cups, we’ve put ourselves in a really good position in the league. Some folk won’t forget the missed opportunities in the cups but there’s only one way to start winning those folk round and that is winning some of the games that are deemed to be big games. It’s pretty clear folk aren’t going to change their minds based on a good record against teams in the lower half of the league.

I didn’t say “clueless”, or anything like it, and you’re right, if folk want to hold an opinion that’s up to them.

What I said was, we could finish 3rd with a record points total, and it wouldn’t be enough to change some people’s minds.

[hibeedonald]

We scraped a win against 10 men St Mirren. Obviously delighted to get 3 points but on another night (without the freak red card) a win would have been unlikely.

People say "I'm sure you would take that every week" but in reality we simply wouldn't win most games on that level of performance.

[scoopyboy]

We scraped a win against 10 men St Mirren. Obviously delighted to get 3 points but on another night (without the freak red card) a win would have been unlikely.

People say "I'm sure you would take that every week" but in reality we simply wouldn't win most games on that level of performance.

If St.Mirren hadn't been reduced to 10 men we would have been 1-0 up though so the win may not have been that unlikely.

[B.H.F.C]

I didn’t say “clueless”, or anything like it, and you’re right, if folk want to hold an opinion that’s up to them.

What I said was, we could finish 3rd with a record points total, and it wouldn’t be enough to change some people’s minds.

No I know you didn’t, I was speaking more generally.

I think if the scenario in your last paragraph would get a fair number of folk on side. I think we’ll just fall a bit short of the 67 points but if we beat Aberdeen to third it turns a decent league season in to a good one for me.

[Onion]

Very good away win against one of the form sides in the league is never shabby. Whether the sending off helped or not is irrelevant. Our away record is something else. Not looked at the stats but got to be up there with anything we've produced in last 30 years. But that is negated by some awful home results and those 2 horrible semifinals.

[Shrekko]

If St.Mirren hadn't been reduced to 10 men we would have been 1-0 up though so the win may not have been that unlikely.

Exactly ... some folk - the ones with agendas are talking about the red card as if it was some kind of favour from the ref or freak incident. If you create a situation where your quickest player has taken it past the goalie and gets wiped out that’s part of earning a win. There was no luck- we deserved the win.

The myths about boring football and not performing in big games being rolled out even when we win. If Hibs play boring football I’m not sure how you’d describe the rest of the league outside the Old Firm. I’ve never once thought Ross Jack has set out a team to simply avoid defeat - we compete with the Old Firm almost every time and are on the front foot in the VAST majority of games.

I wish I was one of those fans who seems to think we’ve played swashbuckling winning football since time began because I’ve missed out on that since I’ve been around - probably had about 6 good season out the 40 I’ve watched. For years folk moaned about being soft and unable to churn out results like Aberdeen and Hearts but no matter what some folk are just more comfortable slating the club and the team.

[Pretty Boy]

This is probably going to come across far more confrontational than I intend but anyway. If people want to read more positive comments on here why don't they post more positive content and start more positive threads?

Since last night I've seen more posts by some people moaning about a lack of positivity than I have seen any attempt by them to post anything positive. How is that productive? I've seen a lot of posts asking where all the negative people are or why there are so few positive posts after a big win. Why is it the responsibility of someone else to start a positive thread? If you have something positive to contribute why not start a thread yourself about it? Is it just easier to expect someone else to do it? Surely when the habitual moaners are absent is exactly the time to push forward with a more positive agenda and change the prevailing mood. If the answer is that someone will just end up saying something negative on such a thread anyway then that seems a bit of a cop out. That's how discussions work and I've seen plenty threads that started off negatively counteracted with opposing arguments , ultimately on any platform with a lot of people there are going to be differing views.

It's not on me to tell people what to post or not to post on a forum. However if you are a user of a forum that allows anyone to start a discussion, you want to see a certain type of discussion but you choose not to use that power and instead snipe at people, post comments mocking people or moan that no one else is doing what you both want to and can do then my sympathy is limited. I'm not just picking on one group of people either, the same applies the other way. If you are naturally a bit glass half empty then fine but just shooting from the hip at everyone and anything isn't going to win you much in the way of respect compared to a more measured critical analysis.

Maybe I'm just old fashioned and the Twitterisation of society means confrontation and short, sharp point scoring is the way things are going but it seems to me there is a pretty straightforward solution to the perceived problem if people were willing to take a bit responsibility and put a bit of work in themselves rather than expecting someone else to do it.

[Sir David Gray]

That result will have put a zipper on the clueless “fans” who wanted Ross out. You love to see it.

I don't think it will to be honest.

I said after the St Johnstone game that it would be difficult to see Ross turning people's thoughts around and I don't see a win over St Mirren changing that.

For a number of people, rightly or wrongly, he's now tagged as the manager who can't win "big" games and who bottles it on the big stage.

I think we'll need to see a combination of a cup win, derby dominance from next season and wins against Rangers and Celtic before a lot of these people will be willing to change their minds. I still feel things are simmering under the surface and we're only one or two bad defeats away from things boiling over again.

[Hibs1969]

It seems to be everything or nothing on here at times. First half wasn’t great but we weren’t exactly hanging on by our fingertips or being bombarded at any stage. The sending off certainly changed things in our favour (Kevin Clancy take note) and we were much better second half, running out deserved winners.

As for the worst first half ever - what about Livingston at home just a few weeks ago? That really was horrific.

[Sioux]

This is probably going to come across far more confrontational than I intend but anyway. If people want to read more positive comments on here why don't they post more positive content and start more positive threads?

Since last night I've seen more posts by some people moaning about a lack of positivity than I have seen any attempt by them to post anything positive. How is that productive? I've seen a lot of posts asking where all the negative people are or why there are so few positive posts after a big win. Why is it the responsibility of someone else to start a positive thread? If you have something positive to contribute why not start a thread yourself about it? Is it just easier to expect someone else to do it? Surely when the habitual moaners are absent is exactly the time to push forward with a more positive agenda and change the prevailing mood. If the answer is that someone will just end up saying something negative on such a thread anyway then that seems a bit of a cop out. That's how discussions work and I've seen plenty threads that started off negatively counteracted with opposing arguments , ultimately on any platform with a lot of people there are going to be differing views.

It's not on me to tell people what to post or not to post on a forum. However if you are a user of a forum that allows anyone to start a discussion, you want to see a certain type of discussion but you choose not to use that power and instead snipe at people, post comments mocking people or moan that no one else is doing what you both want to and can do then my sympathy is limited. I'm not just picking on one group of people either, the same applies the other way. If you are naturally a bit glass half empty then fine but just shooting from the hip at everyone and anything isn't going to win you much in the way of respect compared to a more measured critical analysis.

Maybe I'm just old fashioned and the Twitterisation of society means confrontation and short, sharp point scoring is the way things are going but it seems to me there is a pretty straightforward solution to the perceived problem if people were willing to take a bit responsibility and put a bit of work in themselves rather than expecting someone else to do it.

So, when folks come on and say Hibs are s****, and other similar one-liners, others need to come on and provide several paragraphs as to why they are not s****?

You're contradicting your point, I think. By saying "hopeless, get rid of JR" without any attempt at analysis, is that taking responsibility for the comment ?

Does this forum need to fall into "Twitterisation"?

[Shrekko]

I don't think it will to be honest.

I said after the St Johnstone game that it would be difficult to see Ross turning people's thoughts around and I don't see a win over St Mirren changing that.

For a number of people, rightly or wrongly, he's now tagged as the manager who can't win "big" games and who bottles it on the big stage.

I think we'll need to see a combination of a cup win, derby dominance from next season and wins against Rangers and Celtic before a lot of these people will be willing to change their minds. I still feel things are simmering under the surface and we're only one or two bad defeats away from things boiling over again.

I’ve asked somebody on the Hibs fb feed to explain how a manager can ‘bottle it’ and he deleted his post. The biggest piece of nonsense I’ve ever heard unless he told Nisbet to miss the pen v Hearts or numerous players to miss getting the all important 1st goal v St Johnstone.

Unfortunately all that you say is true though- and if some want to sit with their knives sharpened for a manager who has us in 3rd and improving then some of our problems come from within.

We complain about the media peddling the “bottlers” stuff but how can we when some of our fans just keep repeating it?

[flash]

We scraped a win against 10 men St Mirren. Obviously delighted to get 3 points but on another night (without the freak red card) a win would have been unlikely.

People say "I'm sure you would take that every week" but in reality we simply wouldn't win most games on that level of performance.

We won pretty comfortably from where I was watching. How was the red card a "freak"? It prevented a certain goal.
We often start cagily away from home as do most teams. Our magnificent away record would suggest that's maybe not the worst idea in the world.

[chrisski33]

Yes we won and yes we have won two games in a row. Last night game wasnt a great watch but we won. Lets see if we beat Aberdeen on sat, if we do i reckon we can finiah 3rd.

[basehibby]

2nd top of the form table for the last 5 games ahead of the all conquering Livi

Yes - it's interesting that regardless of their incredible form and our nightmare start to 2021 - we are actually one point further ahead of Livi than immediately after they beat us at ER if I'm not mistaken.

[easty]

This is probably going to come across far more confrontational than I intend but anyway. If people want to read more positive comments on here why don't they post more positive content and start more positive threads?

Since last night I've seen more posts by some people moaning about a lack of positivity than I have seen any attempt by them to post anything positive. How is that productive? I've seen a lot of posts asking where all the negative people are or why there are so few positive posts after a big win. Why is it the responsibility of someone else to start a positive thread? If you have something positive to contribute why not start a thread yourself about it? Is it just easier to expect someone else to do it? Surely when the habitual moaners are absent is exactly the time to push forward with a more positive agenda and change the prevailing mood. If the answer is that someone will just end up saying something negative on such a thread anyway then that seems a bit of a cop out. That's how discussions work and I've seen plenty threads that started off negatively counteracted with opposing arguments , ultimately on any platform with a lot of people there are going to be differing views.

It's not on me to tell people what to post or not to post on a forum. However if you are a user of a forum that allows anyone to start a discussion, you want to see a certain type of discussion but you choose not to use that power and instead snipe at people, post comments mocking people or moan that no one else is doing what you both want to and can do then my sympathy is limited. I'm not just picking on one group of people either, the same applies the other way. If you are naturally a bit glass half empty then fine but just shooting from the hip at everyone and anything isn't going to win you much in the way of respect compared to a more measured critical analysis.

Maybe I'm just old fashioned and the Twitterisation of society means confrontation and short, sharp point scoring is the way things are going but it seems to me there is a pretty straightforward solution to the perceived problem if people were willing to take a bit responsibility and put a bit of work in themselves rather than expecting someone else to do it.

It’s the fault of the people complaining about posters who are negative, for the negativity that’s on the board. Almost “victim blaming” from you PB...tongue firmly in cheek.

I’ve actually seen a lot of positive posts since last night.

[Sioux]

I don't think it will to be honest.

I said after the St Johnstone game that it would be difficult to see Ross turning people's thoughts around and I don't see a win over St Mirren changing that.

For a number of people, rightly or wrongly, he's now tagged as the manager who can't win "big" games and who bottles it on the big stage.

I think we'll need to see a combination of a cup win, derby dominance from next season and wins against Rangers and Celtic before a lot of these people will be willing to change their minds. I still feel things are simmering under the surface and we're only one or two bad defeats away from things boiling over again.

Shouldn't you just speak for yourself instead of deciding what other people are going to do?

[Pretty Boy]

So, when folks come on and say Hibs are s****, and other similar one-liners, others need to come on and provide several paragraphs as to why they are not s****?

You're contradicting your point, I think. By saying "hopeless, get rid of JR" without any attempt at analysis, is that taking responsibility for the comment ?

Does this forum need to fall into "Twitterisation"?

I don't think I'm contradicting my point at all. I said it works both ways.

If you come on, your contribution is to say 'Hibs are crap' and you accuse people with a different viewpoint of 'accepting mediocirty' then I have little time for that. Equally though if you moan about a lack of positivity but after game your sole contribution is 10 posts saying 'where are all the bedwetters tonight' and 'where are all the positive posts' rather than offering something constructive then I have no time for that either.

The more general point is I rarely see anybody posting on here saying 'we need more negativity'. The same isn't true of the reverse. So how do you get more positive posts?

[Sir David Gray]

Shouldn't you just speak for yourself instead of deciding what other people are going to do?

What a weird response but I'll try and respond in a courteous way without getting drawn into anything personal as I really can't be bothered with that.

I have never at any time suggested that anyone should or shouldn't think in a certain way. People will think whatever they like regardless of what I post on a messageboard.

I'm simply giving my opinion on how I see the situation with Jack Ross. I'm sure that's the point of a platform like this.

[Pretty Boy]

It’s the fault of the people complaining about posters who are negative, for the negativity that’s on the board. Almost “victim blaming” from you PB...tongue firmly in cheek.

I’ve actually seen a lot of positive posts since last night.

I've seen a lot of positive posts too and they are well deserved. A lot of people don't seem to be seeing them though which is odd.

I know you have said your tongue is in cheek but I would say there is an element of victim blaming in what I'm saying. The site has no editorial policy so any sentiments expressed on here and the prevailing atmosphere comes from the users. The only way people can change that is by changing the tone of the conversation.

Fwiw I actually think we still have a pretty good balance on here. There are people at both ends of the spectrum I habitually ignore but it's a sizable and decent middle ground.

[Stokesy's on fire]

Good now to trample all Aberdeen and lay down a serious marker this weekend

[Brightside]

I have been very critical of Ross, sure many people think too critical, I’ve not thought it was the right time to sack him though so was happy for him to stay.

Looking at the league position just now I don’t think there’s any doubt I’ve been harsh on him but it’s never been based on results, it’s been about the boring football and the performance in the big games.

I’m still not convinced we’re that good but you can’t argue with the stats and Ross has got a terrific chance for us to finish 3rd now, if we are to do so he’s going to have to start winning some of these big matches, starting with Aberdeen on Saturday.

If we finish third he’ll get cut a lot more slack from folk like me. Going into next season his derby record will define how he does I think. Rightly or wrongly if he keeps losing derbies, fans won’t take to him and he’ll never be far from a crisis.

I dont think any of the teams are very good tbh. Rangers are the best clearly and on their day can play some decent football. Everyone else is pretty poor. Scottish football in general just isnt very exciting right now.

[Sioux]

What a weird response but I'll try and respond in a courteous way without getting drawn into anything personal as I really can't be bothered with that.

I have never at any time suggested that anyone should or shouldn't think in a certain way. People will think whatever they like regardless of what I post on a messageboard.

I'm simply giving my opinion on how I see the situation with Jack Ross. I'm sure that's the point of a platform like this.

Ok

[The Modfather]

So, when folks come on and say Hibs are s****, and other similar one-liners, others need to come on and provide several paragraphs as to why they are not s****?

You're contradicting your point, I think. By saying "hopeless, get rid of JR" without any attempt at analysis, is that taking responsibility for the comment ?

Does this forum need to fall into "Twitterisation"?

You never clarified what you meant by “ Walt Disney magic kingdom stuff” on the Ross out thread in relation to folk, myself included, who don’t enjoy our style of football.

What is the “ Walt Disney magic kingdom stuff” and who is asking for it?

Seems an example as polarised as those who simply say “ hopeless, get rid of JR" IMO.

[Since452]

I've not been critical of Jack Ross as such. I think he's been extremely unlucky with injuries and in both semi's. Better finishing would have seen us win both. I've been dissspointed of course I have. I have however, been very critical of Ryan Porteous and Martin Boyle and they've both shut me up recently. I don't think there's anything wrong with criticism but you should also be willing to praise when it's merited.

[jax67]

We’ve just moved into 3rd place beating the team that have just beat Celtic, pumped Dundee United and overall have been in really good form.


Why does it seem like there is a severe lack of praise of this or acknowledgement?


When I come on here after a victory you’re lucky if there is 2 new threads, after a defeat there is about 6 and every single player is getting slated.


It’s infuriating and seems like most just enjoy slating the team.


Was it a classic? No. First half we were poor and couldn’t string 5 passes together.


Jack Ross clearly have them a rocket at half time as we came out with a much faster tempo to our play and his sub scored.


Moving Jamie Murphy and Boyle out wide again proved to be a really good decision from Ross with both of them performing much better this half and cost all kind of problems running at the opposition.


We played the conditions well and should have scored more. Doidge’s header, Murphy hitting the post and there was more where it just never quite broke our way.


We’re now 3rd in the league and this season we’ve won 13, drew 7 and lost 7.


Although Aberdeen have a game in hand, if we beat them Saturday then we’re in that position on merit and not because we’ve played a game more.


Ross gets all kind of abuse and everyone is in a rush to start a thread about his stats and how he should be sacked, let’s give him some credit when it’s due also.




Well done Hibernian :flag:






Great win, and we still have Allan, Newell and Magennis to come back. GGTTH!!

[Keith_M]

I've not been critical of Jack Ross as such. I think he's been extremely unlucky with injuries and in both semi's. Better finishing would have seen us win both. I've been dissspointed of course I have. I have however, been very critical of Ryan Porteous and Martin Boyle and they've both shut me up. I don't think there's anything wrong with criticism but you should also be willing to praise when it's merited.


:agree:

I think that's why some folk have a problem with certain posters when they make negative posts. It's because they only post negative stuff.

Maybe if they were a bit more balanced they wouldn't get such a hard time.

[Greenbeard]

For the various posters saying with certainty that we would have been 1-0 up if Boyle had not been wiped out I say watch the highlights again. I say if the goalie had pulled out of the challenge after Boyle dinked it past him to the right, Boyle, having moved left towards the chasing defender, was probably 50/50 to retain possession or get in a quick attempt on goal from 25 yards. And given how poor some of his deliveries have been (there was an absolute shocker of a free kick in the first half), hitting the empty goal was far from guaranteed! Pleasing to see him getting back to form though and starting to use his speed again, although when he broke and fed Murphy for the shot that hit the post his pass was half a second too slow and the pass half a metre behind Murphy.

[Shrekko]

:agree:

I think that's why some folk have a problem with certain posters when they make negative posts. It's because they only post negative stuff.

Maybe if they were a bit more balanced they wouldn't get such a hard time.

This is it in a nutshell.

Certain posters just disappear after wins.

It’s clear that there’s been reason for praise and disappointment this season but perspective and history tells you that we’re doing ok.

[Pretty Boy]

I've not been critical of Jack Ross as such. I think he's been extremely unlucky with injuries and in both semi's. Better finishing would have seen us win both. I've been dissspointed of course I have. I have however, been very critical of Ryan Porteous and Martin Boyle and they've both shut me up recently. I don't think there's anything wrong with criticism but you should also be willing to praise when it's merited.

I think that's it in an nutshell.

Very few people think in a unitary way but sometimes you could be forgiven for thinking otherwise reading hibs.net:greengrin

I wasn't full blown 'Ross out' after the semi final but I was certainly very critical. I did try to balance that by defending the overall structure at the club when people were going after the likes of Mathie and Gordon and everyone else. I was pretty measured after the Rangers game and defended Porteous against a bit of an onslaught, albeit I accepted he had to do better at the goal, and I've been full of praise for the results and aspects of the performances in the last 2 games.

It's not a case of saying look at how great I am as a poster. There are loads of people who balance criticism with praise and those are generally the posters I pay most attention to. It suggests what you are reading from them is genuine rather than the words of an online character.

[Peevemor]

For the various posters saying with certainty that we would have been 1-0 up if Boyle had not been wiped out I say watch the highlights again. I say if the goalie had pulled out of the challenge after Boyle dinked it past him to the right, Boyle, having moved left towards the chasing defender, was probably 50/50 to retain possession or get in a quick attempt on goal from 25 yards. And given how poor some of his deliveries have been (there was an absolute shocker of a free kick in the first half), hitting the empty goal was far from guaranteed! Pleasing to see him getting back to form though and starting to use his speed again, although when he broke and fed Murphy for the shot that hit the post his pass was half a second too slow and the pass half a metre behind Murphy.

He was a yard in front of the chasing defender and his finishing from in front of the goals has been good (as we seen on Saturday).

[Scott Allan Key]

For the various posters saying with certainty that we would have been 1-0 up if Boyle had not been wiped out I say watch the highlights again. I say if the goalie had pulled out of the challenge after Boyle dinked it past him to the right, Boyle, having moved left towards the chasing defender, was probably 50/50 to retain possession or get in a quick attempt on goal from 25 yards. And given how poor some of his deliveries have been (there was an absolute shocker of a free kick in the first half), hitting the empty goal was far from guaranteed! Pleasing to see him getting back to form though and starting to use his speed again, although when he broke and fed Murphy for the shot that hit the post his pass was half a second too slow and the pass half a metre behind Murphy.Boyle also assisted Porteous for the 1st goal.

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[neil7908]

This is probably going to come across far more confrontational than I intend but anyway. If people want to read more positive comments on here why don't they post more positive content and start more positive threads?

Since last night I've seen more posts by some people moaning about a lack of positivity than I have seen any attempt by them to post anything positive. How is that productive? I've seen a lot of posts asking where all the negative people are or why there are so few positive posts after a big win. Why is it the responsibility of someone else to start a positive thread? If you have something positive to contribute why not start a thread yourself about it? Is it just easier to expect someone else to do it? Surely when the habitual moaners are absent is exactly the time to push forward with a more positive agenda and change the prevailing mood. If the answer is that someone will just end up saying something negative on such a thread anyway then that seems a bit of a cop out. That's how discussions work and I've seen plenty threads that started off negatively counteracted with opposing arguments , ultimately on any platform with a lot of people there are going to be differing views.

It's not on me to tell people what to post or not to post on a forum. However if you are a user of a forum that allows anyone to start a discussion, you want to see a certain type of discussion but you choose not to use that power and instead snipe at people, post comments mocking people or moan that no one else is doing what you both want to and can do then my sympathy is limited. I'm not just picking on one group of people either, the same applies the other way. If you are naturally a bit glass half empty then fine but just shooting from the hip at everyone and anything isn't going to win you much in the way of respect compared to a more measured critical analysis.

Maybe I'm just old fashioned and the Twitterisation of society means confrontation and short, sharp point scoring is the way things are going but it seems to me there is a pretty straightforward solution to the perceived problem if people were willing to take a bit responsibility and put a bit of work in themselves rather than expecting someone else to do it.

I think you have a point here. There has become a bit of a weird dynamic on here in the last few months where folk can't just seem to agree to disagree. Positive posters are aghast that folk aren't happy with Jack Ross and have to aggressively challenge this view, and negative ones are sticking the boot in at every turn.

My gut is it'll all go away once life is back to normal and we can get out emotions out at an actual football stadium.

[hibbysam]

For the various posters saying with certainty that we would have been 1-0 up if Boyle had not been wiped out I say watch the highlights again. I say if the goalie had pulled out of the challenge after Boyle dinked it past him to the right, Boyle, having moved left towards the chasing defender, was probably 50/50 to retain possession or get in a quick attempt on goal from 25 yards. And given how poor some of his deliveries have been (there was an absolute shocker of a free kick in the first half), hitting the empty goal was far from guaranteed! Pleasing to see him getting back to form though and starting to use his speed again, although when he broke and fed Murphy for the shot that hit the post his pass was half a second too slow and the pass half a metre behind Murphy.

That’s an outstanding viewpoint, because some of his deliveries have been poor (apart from the few he’s put on the money), you wouldn’t expect him to pass it into an empty net from 25 yards and in the middle of the goals. He was at least a yard in front of the defender when still on his feet, he could probably have ran it into the goal if he really wanted to.

[Greenbeard]

Boyle also assisted Porteous for the 1st goal.

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:aok: if you count getting a corner over the first defender into an area where it can be attacked by any one of 3 or 4 different players as an assist fine. To me that is bread and butter. Artisan bread and Jersey cream butter on this occasion yes, but you must admit it's been more stale Milanda and Stork with Boyle's set piece deliveries in the last few games. Hopefully that's him found his range now!

[660]

I would love it if we finish above those jumped up aberdonian fuds

[superfurryhibby]

This is it in a nutshell.

Certain posters just disappear after wins.

It’s clear that there’s been reason for praise and disappointment this season but perspective and history tells you that we’re doing ok.

I agree. After a bad result, like the semi. I was off here. Understandable really, I was gutted and tired of football for a couple of days.

What I can’t grasp is that our relentlessly negative types go awol after decent results. They are conspicuous by their silence. That speaks volumes to me.

You have to ask what pleasure can they really derive from supporting Hibs?

[lord bunberry]

I can assure I have a good memory and the first half was one of the worst I have seen. Could not put two passes together, played long ball. No desire or commitment. We had ouble controlling the ball. A lot may be down to Ross's tactics tonight. Sit tight let them come on us. Don't take risks. Play it long. Rocky seemed to kick long more than usual. After half time things improved. We passed better and tried to keep pocession. Porto helped from the back and tactics were designed to beat 10 men. Boyle made a big impact out right and Murphy was brought into the game. We were saved by the sending off tonight. No two ways about it. Sure Saturday will be more of the same negative tactics to avoid a defeat
You can’t have seen many games then. The Falkirk semi final when we were 3-0 down at half time or the hearts semi final a few years ago are 2 games just off the top of my head, there’s countless others. I remember making a similar post to yours earlier in the season, but I was just annoyed after the game and admitted my mistake.

[Hibernian Verse]

:aok: if you count getting a corner over the first defender into an area where it can be attacked by any one of 3 or 4 different players as an assist fine. To me that is bread and butter. Artisan bread and Jersey cream butter on this occasion yes, but you must admit it's been more stale Milanda and Stork with Boyle's set piece deliveries in the last few games. Hopefully that's him found his range now!

You know things are really bad on here when we are not counting an assist because it was a corner, just so we can disregard the good things a player has done to focus on his recent negatives.

[WhileTheChief..]

:agree:

Good result, a decent performance in terms of being the better team and pretty crap to watch.

There’s very little to discuss from that game tonight

Think I’ll just copy/paste this post for the remaining games this season, pretty much sums up most of our games!

[Greenbeard]

That’s an outstanding viewpoint, because some of his deliveries have been poor (apart from the few he’s put on the money), you wouldn’t expect him to pass it into an empty net from 25 yards and in the middle of the goals. He was at least a yard in front of the defender when still on his feet, he could probably have ran it into the goal if he really wanted to.
A bit facetious of me about him maybe missing an open goal from 25 yards aye. But the yard deficit would very easily and quickly have been closed when the defender has impetus and the attacker has had even a minimal change of direction with his speed checked as a consequence. I maintain it would have been more likely to be a 50/50 ball beyond the goalie rather than the guaranteed goal many have suggested.

[WhileTheChief..]

This is probably going to come across far more confrontational than I intend but anyway. If people want to read more positive comments on here why don't they post more positive content and start more positive threads?

Since last night I've seen more posts by some people moaning about a lack of positivity than I have seen any attempt by them to post anything positive. How is that productive? I've seen a lot of posts asking where all the negative people are or why there are so few positive posts after a big win. Why is it the responsibility of someone else to start a positive thread? If you have something positive to contribute why not start a thread yourself about it? Is it just easier to expect someone else to do it? Surely when the habitual moaners are absent is exactly the time to push forward with a more positive agenda and change the prevailing mood. If the answer is that someone will just end up saying something negative on such a thread anyway then that seems a bit of a cop out. That's how discussions work and I've seen plenty threads that started off negatively counteracted with opposing arguments , ultimately on any platform with a lot of people there are going to be differing views.

It's not on me to tell people what to post or not to post on a forum. However if you are a user of a forum that allows anyone to start a discussion, you want to see a certain type of discussion but you choose not to use that power and instead snipe at people, post comments mocking people or moan that no one else is doing what you both want to and can do then my sympathy is limited. I'm not just picking on one group of people either, the same applies the other way. If you are naturally a bit glass half empty then fine but just shooting from the hip at everyone and anything isn't going to win you much in the way of respect compared to a more measured critical analysis.

Maybe I'm just old fashioned and the Twitterisation of society means confrontation and short, sharp point scoring is the way things are going but it seems to me there is a pretty straightforward solution to the perceived problem if people were willing to take a bit responsibility and put a bit of work in themselves rather than expecting someone else to do it.

We also get a lot of posts from folk looking for an argument that isn’t there.

You know the type, we’ve had a few on this thread already, just waiting for the ‘usual suspects’ to moan so that they can moan about the moaning!

Someone said that there will be posters waiting for us to get beaten by Aberdeen so they can come on here and moan about JR.

It’s BS. I don’t believe there is a single fan on here that ever wants us to lose.

The bit I’ve highlighted in your post is the worst thing about this forum.

They’re just waiting to pounce. It’s like they’re gutted that they aren’t getting their argument so have to try and goad it out.

They’re so much worse than anyone having an actual moan.

[BSEJVT]

To be honest, at this time of the year I couldn't give two hoots how we play as long as we keep winning.

If it was the height of the summer, weather and pitches were great I might be looking for a bit more, but not just now.

As Maximus said in Gladiator after destroying his opponents "are you not entertained?"

Like him, for us it is all about winning at the moment and I would happily take a poor performance that had me peeking out from behind the settee at the TV for a 1-0 win on Saturday.

[WhileTheChief..]

I agree. After a bad result, like the semi. I was off here. Understandable really, I was gutted and tired of football for a couple of days.

What I can’t grasp is that our relentlessly negative types go awol after decent results. They are conspicuous by their silence. That speaks volumes to me.

You have to ask what pleasure can they really derive from supporting Hibs?

If we get a decent result, people are generally happier, that goes without saying right?

So they probably just smile to themselves and get on with their evening.

What do you mean by conspicuous by their silence? What does that say to you?

On the other hand, if we’ve just been thumped off Hearts, people are going to be angry and want to vent and talk about it. You can’t seriously be saying you don’t understand that?

It’s not just football, it’s every walk of life.

Have a crap experience somewhere, you’ll tell a lot more people about it than if it was a good one. Restaurants or holidays are a prime example.

[Peevemor]

We also get a lot of posts from folk looking for an argument that isn’t there.

You know the type, we’ve had a few on this thread already, just waiting for the ‘usual suspects’ to moan so that they can moan about the moaning!

Someone said that there will be posters waiting for us to get beaten by Aberdeen so they can come on here and moan about JR.

It’s BS. I don’t believe there is a single fan on here that ever wants us to lose.

The bit I’ve highlighted in your post is the worst thing about this forum.

They’re just waiting to pounce. It’s like they’re gutted that they aren’t getting their argument so have to try and goad it out.

They’re so much worse than anyone having an actual moan.

Probably not, but there are a few who seem happy to be "proved right" regarding the manager or whatever player(s) they've been criticising.

[G B Young]

We’ve just moved into 3rd place beating the team that have just beat Celtic, pumped Dundee United and overall have been in really good form.


Why does it seem like there is a severe lack of praise of this or acknowledgement?


When I come on here after a victory you’re lucky if there is 2 new threads, after a defeat there is about 6 and every single player is getting slated.


It’s infuriating and seems like most just enjoy slating the team.


Was it a classic? No. First half we were poor and couldn’t string 5 passes together.


Jack Ross clearly have them a rocket at half time as we came out with a much faster tempo to our play and his sub scored.


Moving Jamie Murphy and Boyle out wide again proved to be a really good decision from Ross with both of them performing much better this half and cost all kind of problems running at the opposition.


We played the conditions well and should have scored more. Doidge’s header, Murphy hitting the post and there was more where it just never quite broke our way.


We’re now 3rd in the league and this season we’ve won 13, drew 7 and lost 7.


Although Aberdeen have a game in hand, if we beat them Saturday then we’re in that position on merit and not because we’ve played a game more.


Ross gets all kind of abuse and everyone is in a rush to start a thread about his stats and how he should be sacked, let’s give him some credit when it’s due also.




Well done Hibernian :flag:



Regarding the 'Ross out' poll I never submitted an answer because in the immediate aftermath of the St Johnstone game I knew I'd likely let my heart rule my head. I was, however, like everyone else, left feeling crushed by such a dismal result. Yes, we could have put the game to bed early but having lost to Hearts at Hampden last year in another game we probably should have won we were looking for lessons to have been learned. The way the team collapsed in the second half led to justified negativity towards both management and players.

Bottom line, a 'big' defeat is always going to spark extreme reactions and doesn't mean we enjoy slating the team. On the contrary, it probably shows how much they mean to us - and slating them is mostly just an expression of the utter frustration that goes hand in hand with being a fan.

Plenty of praise on here for the way the team has bounced back and rightly so.

[Brightside]

:aok: if you count getting a corner over the first defender into an area where it can be attacked by any one of 3 or 4 different players as an assist fine. To me that is bread and butter. Artisan bread and Jersey cream butter on this occasion yes, but you must admit it's been more stale Milanda and Stork with Boyle's set piece deliveries in the last few games. Hopefully that's him found his range now!

It was a great delivery into the danger area and it resulted in a goal. There is no opinion at play for this one. And if it was Bread and Butter, everyone would score from corners.

[blackpoolhibs]

:agree:

I think that's why some folk have a problem with certain posters when they make negative posts. It's because they only post negative stuff.

Maybe if they were a bit more balanced they wouldn't get such a hard time.

Exactly, apart from the odd occasion they actually point out they have made a little grudging semi positive post in amongst their doom and gloom.

[ballengeich]

For the various posters saying with certainty that we would have been 1-0 up if Boyle had not been wiped out I say watch the highlights again. I say if the goalie had pulled out of the challenge after Boyle dinked it past him to the right, Boyle, having moved left towards the chasing defender, was probably 50/50 to retain possession or get in a quick attempt on goal from 25 yards.
Do we know whether the red card was for denying a goal-scoring opportunity or for violent play? I have watched the highlights again and think that regardless of whether Boyle would have got to the ball, the goalie's tackle was both late and high and deserved a red.

[blackpoolhibs]

Yes we won and yes we have won two games in a row. Last night game wasnt a great watch but we won. Lets see if we beat Aberdeen on sat, if we do i reckon we can finiah 3rd.

I reckon even if we lose on Saturday we can still finish 3rd, we are every bit as good as those below us, and a lot better than most.

[BSEJVT]

Great 3 points tonight but let’s not kid ourselves on to get third we luck on our side concerning injuries to key players Doidge, Boyle, nisbet as we have no backup for those players. Another worry is joe newal missing through injury with Mallen out on loan and Scott Allan still not fit we are lacking a playmaker sorry to be a doom and gloomier but just stating the facts.

No, what you are stating is your interpretation of the circumstances not the facts by any manner of means

Boyle, Doidge & Nisbet have all missed games through injury this season and I would say at times we have been down to the bare bones.

Mallan has had very little influence on Hbs season, particularly the league and we now have more midfield options than I have ever known

[Caversham Green]

For the various posters saying with certainty that we would have been 1-0 up if Boyle had not been wiped out I say watch the highlights again. I say if the goalie had pulled out of the challenge after Boyle dinked it past him to the right, Boyle, having moved left towards the chasing defender, was probably 50/50 to retain possession or get in a quick attempt on goal from 25 yards. And given how poor some of his deliveries have been (there was an absolute shocker of a free kick in the first half), hitting the empty goal was far from guaranteed! Pleasing to see him getting back to form though and starting to use his speed again, although when he broke and fed Murphy for the shot that hit the post his pass was half a second too slow and the pass half a metre behind Murphy.

Disagree. I'd expect any competent footballer to score from that position 99 times out of 100.

As for his deliveries, he didn't do too bad with the penalty did he?

[inglisavhibs]

Because most of the time, that's how you improve.

Jack Ross' away record is outstanding, would guess in the top 3 of away records we've had in 30 years , but the football we're playing is not the sum of the parts. Good individual players in each position but much of time producing horrible, slow, nervy, predictable football. That's squarely down to the manager and leaders on the pitch.

We could do a decent leader/captain, a creative midfielder, more solid defence and a shot of belief in the team/club. The lack of these has lead us to lose two of the most winnable cup semi-finals we've had in years.
I don’t think we have won nine away league wins in all the time I’ve been watching and that’s over 50 years. Even Turnbulls Tornadoes didn’t achieve it in a whole season. Now we have to try and improve our home record. The two cup semi results were massively disappointing but we can still have a very good season.

[FilipinoHibs]

You can’t have seen many games then. The Falkirk semi final when we were 3-0 down at half time or the hearts semi final a few years ago are 2 games just off the top of my head, there’s countless others. I remember making a similar post to yours earlier in the season, but I was just annoyed after the game and admitted my mistake.
Was at both those games and neither first half of football played by us was as bad as Tuesday night's. Falkirk got the breaks in the first half and the Hearts game, the collapse came in the second half - goalie and the sending off were contributors

[inglisavhibs]

Was at both those games and neither first half of football played by us was as bad as Tuesday night's. Falkirk got the breaks in the first half and the Hearts game, the collapse came in the second half - goalie and the sending off were contributors
When you go away from home on a horrible Tuesday night with wind and rain and not give the opposition a single chance in the first half , you have done something right.St Mirren were very lively after their win at Celtic but they created no real chances. Granted we we were quite poor in an attacking sense but so what. We then took advantage of the extra man which Boyle’s
alertness created to dominate the 2nd half and create plenty chances. As I have said previously you can’t win 9 out of 14 away games without doing a lot right. credit where credits due.

[superfurryhibby]

If we get a decent result, people are generally happier, that goes without saying right?

So they probably just smile to themselves and get on with their evening.

What do you mean by conspicuous by their silence? What does that say to you?

On the other hand, if we’ve just been thumped off Hearts, people are going to be angry and want to vent and talk about it. You can’t seriously be saying you don’t understand that?

It’s not just football, it’s every walk of life.

Have a crap experience somewhere, you’ll tell a lot more people about it than if it was a good one. Restaurants or holidays are a prime example.

You assume that our consistently negative posters are all actually Hibs fans? That strikes me as a bit naive. We have guys on here who occasionally admit that they post on Kickback and are deep undercover wind-up merchants. It doesn’t take a huge leap for me to believe that there must be some of “them” on here too?

I would give the ones who are Hibees more credibility if they could actually manage the occasional positive post.

The silence after a decent result tells me that some people enjoy moaning more than they enjoy winning? Of course when you are one of our more prolific posters, it gets noticed, plenty are pointing it out.

As for Hearts, that was months ago and much as it disappointed me, I’ve moved on. Speaking personally I try and enjoy life and the good things that happen. That is reflected in my attitude to football and in broader outlook, so no, I tend to try and take a balanced perspective. Wallowing in misery isn’t good for ones mental health and that is a massive generalisation that few would disagree with.

[basehibby]

I don't think it will to be honest.

I said after the St Johnstone game that it would be difficult to see Ross turning people's thoughts around and I don't see a win over St Mirren changing that.

For a number of people, rightly or wrongly, he's now tagged as the manager who can't win "big" games and who bottles it on the big stage.

I think we'll need to see a combination of a cup win, derby dominance from next season and wins against Rangers and Celtic before a lot of these people will be willing to change their minds. I still feel things are simmering under the surface and we're only one or two bad defeats away from things boiling over again.

Agreed - we were all hit hard by the semi defeats such that even Jack's most ardent supporters must have been given pause for thought. So it will take a lot more than an away win at St Mirren - however creditable - to convince his harsher critics that he truly has what it takes to move Hibs forward - a home win against Aberdeen might be a start though.

[basehibby]

For the various posters saying with certainty that we would have been 1-0 up if Boyle had not been wiped out I say watch the highlights again. I say if the goalie had pulled out of the challenge after Boyle dinked it past him to the right, Boyle, having moved left towards the chasing defender, was probably 50/50 to retain possession or get in a quick attempt on goal from 25 yards. And given how poor some of his deliveries have been (there was an absolute shocker of a free kick in the first half), hitting the empty goal was far from guaranteed! Pleasing to see him getting back to form though and starting to use his speed again, although when he broke and fed Murphy for the shot that hit the post his pass was half a second too slow and the pass half a metre behind Murphy.

There is no such thing as a certainty - chances are blazed over from right under the crossbar - it happens.

But I disagree with you re your assessment above. Boyle unhampered by the goalie would have ripped the defender for arse paper and would have been odds on to score.

NB - show me a player who never plays a bad ball - Boyle is not 1st choice from our squad at set pieces but he does OK - just ask Ryan Porteous!

[Since452]

I've also seen a lot of "s form" posters after defeats who are never seen after victories. Anyway glad we've got a couple of wins on the bounce. Will shut that Ewan Murray eejit up. Beating Aberdeen would mean 3rd is ours to lose.

[lucky]

Finishing third is a good achievement, it’s proves consistency in our league form. But losing two very winnable semi finals hurts and I’d rather win a cup than finish third in the league. The style of football we are playing under Ross is also debatable and if fans were allowed in stadiums then I’m sure he know the feelings of the support. He seems to have styled Hibs on Aberdeen. Terrible to watch but gets results. Saturday is now a big game and Ross’s record in big games has been poor. But victory gives us a 5 point lead over the Dons, whose game in hand is against Celtic, and as such it should give us a very good chance to finish third.

[Weegreenman]

Not great on the eye at times and if our concentration levels were higher and game mentality better, who knows were we could have been.

Can’t really argue with our current position though we should always be striving for better

[WhileTheChief..]

You assume that our consistently negative posters are all actually Hibs fans? That strikes me as a bit naive. We have guys on here who occasionally admit that they post on Kickback and are deep undercover wind-up merchants. It doesn’t take a huge leap for me to believe that there must be some of “them” on here too?

I would give the ones who are Hibees more credibility if they could actually manage the occasional positive post.

The silence after a decent result tells me that some people enjoy moaning more than they enjoy winning? Of course when you are one of our more prolific posters, it gets noticed, plenty are pointing it out.

As for Hearts, that was months ago and much as it disappointed me, I’ve moved on. Speaking personally I try and enjoy life and the good things that happen. That is reflected in my attitude to football and in broader outlook, so no, I tend to try and take a balanced perspective. Wallowing in misery isn’t good for ones mental health and that is a massive generalisation that few would disagree with.

Fair do's, I just don't believe that to be true at all.

If there's a few Hearts fans on here so what, let the admins deal with them!!

[flash]

Fair do's, I just don't believe that to be true at all.

If there's a few Hearts fans on here so what, let the admins deal with them!!

Exactly what an undercover Jambo would say.

[WhileTheChief..]

D’oh!

[PatHead]

2nd top of the form table for the last 5 games ahead of the all conquering Livi

Have Livi not played Celtic and Aberdeen twice in those five games?

Not saying that we aren't on a good run but it needs to be put in context.

[basehibby]

:aok: if you count getting a corner over the first defender into an area where it can be attacked by any one of 3 or 4 different players as an assist fine. To me that is bread and butter. Artisan bread and Jersey cream butter on this occasion yes, but you must admit it's been more stale Milanda and Stork with Boyle's set piece deliveries in the last few games. Hopefully that's him found his range now!

Why argue the point? That is inarguably an assist - as it would be if it had banjoed off his erchie into the path of the inrushing Nesbeat (spelling?) for a goal.

So - do you only count a goal as a goal if it scores more than 5 out of 10 on your personalised skill-ometer - or is that different?

[1van Sprou7e]

Why argue the point? That is inarguably an assist - as it would be if it had banjoed off his erchie into the path of the inrushing Nesbeat (spelling?) for a goal.

So - do you only count a goal as a goal if it scores more than 5 out of 10 on your personalised skill-ometer - or is that different?

Yeah it's a really bad take.

Goals from corners are very rare, I agree that Boyle has mostly put in poor deliveries recently but that was a cracker last night

[basehibby]

I can assure I have a good memory and the first half was one of the worst I have seen. Could not put two passes together, played long ball. No desire or commitment. We had ouble controlling the ball. A lot may be down to Ross's tactics tonight. Sit tight let them come on us. Don't take risks. Play it long. Rocky seemed to kick long more than usual. After half time things improved. We passed better and tried to keep pocession. Porto helped from the back and tactics were designed to beat 10 men. Boyle made a big impact out right and Murphy was brought into the game. We were saved by the sending off tonight. No two ways about it. Sure Saturday will be more of the same negative tactics to avoid a defeat

Sorry mate but that is a crock of the brown stuff.

St Mirren made a mistake because of the short-fallings of their defenders and the lack of space and time afforded to them by Hibs players - Boyle then forced their keeper into fouling him because of his sharpness, pace and bravery. In short St Mirren got a man sent off because Hibs were BETTER than them in that 1st half - plain and simple. If St Mirren had our players and we had theirs then it all would have happened in reverse. Nothing lucky about it.

[Northernhibee]

We were saved by the sending off tonight. No two ways about it.

You really couldn't be more wrong if you tried.

[CB Hibs 68]

[QUOTE=Northernhibee;6453266]You really couldn't be more wrong if you tried.[/QUOTETruth is we will never know.All I would say is that up until the sending off we were poor and hardly putting the Saints defence under pressure.Second half better but still contrived to give the fans a squeaky bum time when we should have been home and hosed.At the end of the day we won .Porteous and Nisbet contributed positively which was good to see and we can now look forward to Saturday ]

[WestCoastHibby]

Well said, the OP. Spot on.

Have to completely agree. So many on here just aren't happy unless they are bumpin their gums.
The two semis are disappointing but all in all it's gone pretty damn well