Hibs apologise to the hun.

[lord bunberry]

https://bit.ly/3t4JYaW
I can’t believe we’ve done that, soft as *****.

[Joe6-2]

We can be so pathetic

[Eyrie]

Where is the Sevco apology to Porteous for Morelos' deliberate attempt to injure him?

[Smartie]

****ing pitiful stuff from Hibs again.

They're just weak as piss Sevco apologists.

It's putting me off my own club.

[.Sean.]

As pathetic as not calling out every single liar in the media after 21/05/16

Embarrassing

[Peevemor]

Do we know what form the apology took? Is it worth moaning about and having yet another go at the club?

[CallumLaidlaw]

Was always gonna happen and I can blame hibs. Waiting on the follow up fine tbf.


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[jacomo]

Further proof that the real snowflakes are the bigoted cretins who complain loudly about ‘snowflakes’.

They will go on and on about ‘political correctness gone mad’ and how ‘you can’t say anything anymore!’ Yet if you dare to make a joke about them, they start greeting about it!

[Chorley Hibee]

Nothing to say on a decade of cheating by the hun.

Nothing to say on the sectarian abuse of our previous managers at Ibrox.

Nothing to say about the media defamation of our club and support after May 2016.

Nothing to say about twice yearly visits to ER with their sectarian bile.

**** off Hibs!

[jacomo]

****ing pitiful stuff from Hibs again.

They're just weak as piss Sevco apologists.

It's putting me off my own club.


I wouldn’t take it too seriously.

We probably just left a voicemail saying ‘we’re sorry if you are offensive, sorry, offended’ and left it at that.

[semaj64]

Hibs are probably trying to limit any further actions and getting in first. Really the SPFL and SFA should have better priorities like stamping out the real issues in the west.

[Danderhall Hibs]

Complained to ofcom? FFS someone needs to get a grip of themselves.

Mind you it’s Edinburgh live - is that not just a website for failed journalists?

[Aldo]

So it’s ok for them the spout their bigoted sectarian bile week in week out but as soon as another team steps out of line then a full inquiry is required.

Their fans want a full probe into it.

Whilst it may have been wrong oot kettle imho!


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[cabbageandribs1875]

'kin boooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

[Vault Boy]

To be honest, letting it quietly slip via our SLO is probably the most 'doing the minimum we can get away with' way of apologising that there is. If the comments are investigated, I can't see how they won't find Hibs at fault - whether that's fair or not is a different question.

[Since452]

Sometimes instead of rising above it I wish Hibs would publicly tell Rangers to **** off. Or words to that effect.

[Iggy Pope]

The contribution made by Hibs fans to our club is paid lip service by Hibs every now and again.
Unless we are throwing money at them, it’s hard to imagine if the club could be any more detached.

Wonder if any of the board view these boards other than our own rep.

[Iggy Pope]

I wouldn’t take it too seriously.

We probably just left a voicemail saying ‘we’re sorry if you are offensive, sorry, offended’ and left it at that.

Doubtful we got off our knees long enough to show any wit.

[Jim44]

I’m disappointed that the club deemed it necessary to apologise. What concerns me more, however, is that it might cloud the issue of Morelos’s violent assault on Porteous. By apologising, it might be wrongly construed that we are not angry and are accepting the referee’s decision. The authorities might take the opportunity to gloss over the more important issue.

[gbhibby]

The most offensive thing that happened last night was the stamp on Ryan's leg
They are such a sensitive bunch they are turning into the Green brigade.

[Pretty Boy]

I can see why Hibs may have thought it was easiest just to apologise to try and calm the situation down. It's arguably better than Rangers trying to take it further, it was an in house show after all.

In saying that it really sticks in my craw. It was quite obviously a couple tongue in cheek remarks that have been blown out of all proportion by people who want to be allowed to say anything they like but can't take a wee bit back. I don't care if this is whataboutery but when you consider what Rangers get away with week after week, year after year it seems ****ing ridiculous that we are apologising.

[Alan62]

It would appear from this that we have as many indignant numpties as the Rangers.

Having Irvine Welsh on the show was always going to be a risk. While he entertained the Hibs fans, his comments were bound to infuriate the sticky buns. As the club is responsible for the guests in its channel, its ONLY option is an apology.

To suggest otherwise is simply naive.


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[Chuck Rhoades]

Do we know what form the apology took? Is it worth moaning about and having yet another go at the club?

Exactly why I said Hibs would not have IW back earlier.

[Iggy Pope]

It would appear from this that we have as many indignant numpties as the Rangers.

Having Irvine Welsh on the show was always going to be a risk. While he entertained the Hibs fans, his comments were bound to infuriate the sticky buns. As the club is responsible for the guests in its channel, its ONLY option is an apology.

To suggest otherwise is simply naive.


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Why would these ever so easily infuriated Huns be tuning into HibsTV last night asks this numpty.

[SouthMoroccoStu]

I can see why Hibs may have thought it was easiest just to apologise to try and calm the situation down. It's arguably better than Rangers trying to take it further, it was an in house show after all.

But they still want it investigated

Anything to distract from their cheating players

I more than disappointed that we’ve apologised, all we had to say was we’re investigating it, and then leave them to spin in the wind

[hibsbollah]

Who gives a **** really. We all had a laugh with Irvine, we all agree with him, no public apology, kept it between the clubs, inevitable.

[Onion]

Original slur was probably heard by 3 huns and a dog.

Now it's gone public with an apology a great many more can now pretend to be offended :greengrin

[Smartie]

It would appear from this that we have as many indignant numpties as the Rangers.

Having Irvine Welsh on the show was always going to be a risk. While he entertained the Hibs fans, his comments were bound to infuriate the sticky buns. As the club is responsible for the guests in its channel, its ONLY option is an apology.

To suggest otherwise is simply naive.


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There are any number of alternatives.

Not without consequences, but alternatives nonetheless.

And this action will have consequences in terms of the worsening of the relationship between the Hibs fans and their own club at a time when they can ill afford to be doing so.

[Ringothedog]

I find it interesting that our fans reps disappear when anything even slightly controversial has happened. It is at times like this that we need the facts regarding what our club is doing to protect itself and players. Things like this build up resentment and starts to alienate the fans from the club, particularly after our semifinal results. Come on Hibernian, it’s time to get the fans on board.

[EI255]

I salute you Sir Irvine Welsh [emoji106]

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[Chuck Rhoades]

Colin Millar at it again.

[The Tubs]

While I really enjoyed Irvine being on, it would probably be better to have an alternative organised by Hibs fans broadcast via Youtube or something in the future. Maybe for charity fundraising or something. Having him on the official one was always a big risk of this type of thing happening - especially against the huns.

[S4uzee]

Pathetic apologising for that. Would they have apologised if it had been the other way about

[green day]

Who gives a **** really. We all had a laugh with Irvine, we all agree with him, no public apology, kept it between the clubs, inevitable.

Correct. Personally I would tell them to bolt, but I am not running a foot all club and we did the right thing.

[Chuck Rhoades]

I find it interesting that our fans reps disappear when anything even slightly controversial has happened. It is at times like this that we need the facts regarding what our club is doing to protect itself and players. Things like this build up resentment and starts to alienate the fans from the club, particularly after our semifinal results. Come in Hibernian, it’s time to get the fans on board.

I have so much time for KP, but I expect he’s under lock and eye at times like this. As you say, anything controversial and the rep role is often non-existent.

[The Tubs]

Pathetic apologising for that. Would they have apologised if it had been the other way about

There's no equivalent. I can't think of any other Scots football fan that has a similar profile.

[Sir David Gray]

I'm not surprised at all that it's come to this, Hibs were always going to be backed into an impossible corner over this.

Sevco are masters at playing this card meanwhile doing absolutely nothing to sort out the far bigger issues at their own door.

The fact some of them went to the bother of complaining to Ofcom is pathetic.

They'll see this as a moral victory, the fact they've got an apology out of us and seen us probably now have to distance ourselves from one of our most famous fans.

Next time the fans are allowed back to Ibrox and we get subjected to the usual torrent of abuse thrown in our direction, I sincerely hope that Hibs go to town over it.

[green day]

There's no equivalent. I can't think of any other Scots football fan that has a similar profile.

Yep, and Hibs "under the counter non public apology" has got the Huns even more outraged.

And there is nothing they can do.

Hilarious

[SouthMoroccoStu]

Pathetic apologising for that. Would they have apologised if it had been the other way about

Their bias (that’s understandable) and thinly vailed bigotry on rangerstv

Times I’ve watched they have never been able to praise us for good play etc and there’s always a undertone of bile

I’ll be expecting retrospective apologies

[Chorley Hibee]

Next time the fans are allowed back to Ibrox and we get subjected to the usual torrent of abuse thrown in our direction, I sincerely hope that Hibs go to town over it.

We'll do absolutely nothing as per usual.

[Smartie]

I'm not surprised at all that it's come to this, Hibs were always going to be backed into an impossible corner over this.

Sevco are masters at playing this card meanwhile doing absolutely nothing to sort out the far bigger issues at their own door.

The fact some of them went to the bother of complaining to Ofcom is pathetic.

They'll see this as a moral victory, the fact they've got an apology out of us and seen us probably now have to distance ourselves from one of our most famous fans.

Next time the fans are allowed back to Ibrox and we get subjected to the usual torrent of abuse thrown in our direction, I sincerely hope that Hibs go to town over it.

I wouldn't get your hopes up.

They get away with pish like this because of the weakness and tolerance of their poison by clubs like Hibs.

We're part of the problem. We're part of a lot of the problems.

[GreenCastle]

The irony of the huns complaining about something said / comments when most weeks thousands of fans sing sectarian songs and nothing is ever done.

[Allez Hibs]

Not surprising.

[Centre Hawf]

Probably in the minority here but someone suggesting that a football player should be chopped up with a machete, no matter how ****my he is, on a club official channel should warrant an apology from that club at the very least.

[S4uzee]

I wouldn't get your hopes up.

They get away with pish like this because of the weakness and tolerance of their poison by clubs like Hibs.

We're part of the problem. We're part of a lot of the problems.

Totally agree

[madhatter]

He was a guest on a live show. If Irvine has said that about Boris or someone like that I think most people wouldn’t give a toss. I’ve seen some amount of rubbish about inciting violence and racism...

Jeez, no wonder comedians are complaining about society and where it’s going. So delicate.

The irony, most Rangers fans celebrated an actual violent act - Morelos’ stamp.

[LithgaeHibby]

What were the Huns doing on our channel anyway? They could already lap it up from "Boydy" on Sky. Would like to see Irvine Welsh promoted to anchorman next time the Huns come calling.

[Chorley Hibee]

Probably in the minority here but someone suggesting that a football player should be chopped up with a machete, no matter how ****my he is, on a club official channel should warrant an apology from that club at the very least.

I object to thousands of Huns arriving at ER promoting their bigoted sectarian bile twice a year.

I'm still awaiting an apology from Rangers FC, and whilst we're at it - I'm still awaiting comment from Hibs.

Christ, we couldn't even defend our own managers being victims of sectarian abuse at Ibrox.

As Smartie said, our silence is part of the problem.

[Sir David Gray]

I wouldn't get your hopes up.

They get away with pish like this because of the weakness and tolerance of their poison by clubs like Hibs.

We're part of the problem. We're part of a lot of the problems.

Oh I'm not trust me.

We absolutely should make an issue of it.

[Newhaven]

Not even 24 hours since the game and we rush out an apology. You couldn’t make it up 🙄

We should of went to town with the daily record after the cup final but we brick it as usual. Like the players on the pitch we are so weak and easily bullied. Pathetic.

[Bristolhibby]

I’m sad that they probably won’t invite Irvine back on Hibs TV.

Hibs have made the apology, now get IW back in the studio for the next home game. That would be the perfect eff U.

J

[Konte34]

Looks like they are going to investigate it too :rolleyes:

bit.ly/3iU6bnt (https://t.co/vcXScxxDHI)

[SaulGoodman]

So we’ve shat ourselves and apologised even though the SFA are going to investigate anyway. Ffs

[Zambernardi1875]

Scottish media picking up on stories from fake hun twitter accounts and making it relevant. Life is so much better when you stay away from both

[The Harp Awakes]

I'm not surprised at all that it's come to this, Hibs were always going to be backed into an impossible corner over this.

Sevco are masters at playing this card meanwhile doing absolutely nothing to sort out the far bigger issues at their own door.

The fact some of them went to the bother of complaining to Ofcom is pathetic.

They'll see this as a moral victory, the fact they've got an apology out of us and seen us probably now have to distance ourselves from one of our most famous fans.

Next time the fans are allowed back to Ibrox and we get subjected to the usual torrent of abuse thrown in our direction, I sincerely hope that Hibs go to town over it.

I wouldn’t hold your breath. Stubbs and Lennon had 45000 of the mutants singing the 'cheer up' song at them on multiple occasions at Ibrox. Would have been good if Hibs had stood up for their managers at the time. It's not what Hibs do though. As others have said we're too nice.

[GreenCastle]

Looks like they are going to investigate it too :rolleyes:

bit.ly/3iU6bnt (https://t.co/vcXScxxDHI)




They can investigate all the videos on YouTube of their fans singing sectarian songs while they are at it. Not hard to find.

[Pretty Boy]

What punishment did Tom Boyd and Celtic receive for implying John Beaton was a cheat on Celtic TV and hinting he drank in Rangers pubs?

That's the precedent. If we get treated any worse then it just proves what we all already know.

[ronaldo7]

We'll do absolutely nothing as per usual.

Never have, and never will. Soft as.

[monarch]

Rangers supporters’ liaison officer Greg Marshall is pressing for an SFA investigation. This guy used to be the manager of the Louden Tavern, the legendary bigots’ watering hole. Would have thought that the mention of “machete” wouldn’t have caused him much alarm.

[JimBHibees]

Probably in the minority here but someone suggesting that a football player should be chopped up with a machete, no matter how ****my he is, on a club official channel should warrant an apology from that club at the very least.

Think you are right funny as it was. :greengrin

[Sir David Gray]

What punishment did Tom Boyd and Celtic receive for implying John Beaton was a cheat on Celtic TV and hinting he drank in Rangers pubs?

That's the precedent. If we get treated any worse then it just proves what we all already know.

I don't think there was any action although the incident was referred to the compliance officer.

[WeeRussell]

Why would these ever so easily infuriated Huns be tuning into HibsTV last night asks this numpty.

This was my initial reaction. Hopefully anyone who has complained can prove they paid to watch HIBS tv.

[Centre Hawf]

I object to thousands of Huns arriving at ER promoting their bigoted sectarian bile twice a year.

I'm still awaiting an apology from Rangers FC, and whilst we're at it - I'm still awaiting comment from Hibs.

Christ, we couldn't even defend our own managers being victims of sectarian abuse at Ibrox.

As Smartie said, our silence is part of the problem.

I don’t disagree with what you say. My point of view is we should defend ourselves better in those situations you mention, while conducting ourselves better on the whole and avoid being dragged into this horrible level Rangers and any real conversation about them exists in. Their club is poison and we should avoid situations like this imo.

[itslegaltender]

What were the Huns doing on our channel anyway? They could already lap it up from "Boydy" on Sky. Would like to see Irvine Welsh promoted to anchorman next time the Huns come calling.

only way they saw it was if they were watching illegally on IPTV or streaming on web

[SanFranHibs]

I think Hibs defence will be it was on Hibs TV so they did not think anyone would actually see or hear it!

:wink:

[chookyembra]

Soft as ***** apologising to that shower of ****

[Radium]

Here’s hoping that in a week where fans are about to hand about £50k to the club that a large portion isn’t lost because of a fairly tasteless comment by a guest of the club.

Like many others I enjoyed the digs about the sectarian songs and thought it was a better show but chopping up an opposition player with a machete and feeding him to the seagulls was not acceptable.

IW is a better wordsmith than I could ever hope to be but his analogy was one for his next novel or an after match catch up with his mates. Maybe an appearance on a non-club post match zoom call beckons ...


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[Carheenlea]

No place for humour in Scottish football. Certainly out with the borders of the self proclaimed banter capital of the world, Glasgow, or if directed at the Old Firm from outsiders.

[gbhibby]

Typical deflection tactics to take the heat off Morelos. Kicks and studs may break our bones but names will never hurt us.

[easty]

I’m surprised it appears I’m in the minority that thinks the club is right to apologise, privately.

I enjoyed him saying it, a lot, but it’s not something I think Hibs can be seen to endorse, which is how it’d look if they didn’t acknowledge it.

I’ve seen folk on here greeting about things like what’s being said on Sportsound, demanding fairness, or demanding the club ask for an apology from the Daily Record...but when Irvine Welsh (jokes) on our TV station about Morelos being cut up, we’re asking why Rangers are so touchy about it?

[CallumLaidlaw]

I’m surprised it appears I’m in the minority that thinks the club is right to apologise, privately.

I enjoyed him saying it, a lot, but it’s not something I think Hibs can be seen to endorse, which is how it’d look if they didn’t acknowledge it.

I’ve seen folk on here greeting about things like what’s being said on Sportsound, demanding fairness, or demanding the club ask for an apology from the Daily Record...but when Irvine Welsh (jokes) on our TV station about Morelos being cut up, we’re asking why Rangers are so touchy about it?

I agree with you.


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[hibee-boys]

Probably in the minority here but someone suggesting that a football player should be chopped up with a machete, no matter how ****my he is, on a club official channel should warrant an apology from that club at the very least.

Can you imagine the uproar if someone said that about one of our players. Not surprised Rangers complained and equally not surprised that Hibs have had to apologise. Good pub patter Irvine but not on Hibs TV.

[dastardly8]

My take on it is the sectarian shower should shut up , years of listening to their bigoted views , songs etc , they can go and take a flying f*** , Hibs should stand up and demand an apology back for all that trouble causing sectarian lot have caused for Hibs , horrible team and fans in fact their whole set up stinks.

[PH91]

I’m surprised it appears I’m in the minority that thinks the club is right to apologise, privately.

I enjoyed him saying it, a lot, but it’s not something I think Hibs can be seen to endorse, which is how it’d look if they didn’t acknowledge it.

I’ve seen folk on here greeting about things like what’s being said on Sportsound, demanding fairness, or demanding the club ask for an apology from the Daily Record...but when Irvine Welsh (jokes) on our TV station about Morelos being cut up, we’re asking why Rangers are so touchy about it?

Totally agree

[danhibees1875]

I think Hibs have done the right thing by apologising. :agree:

[LancsHibs]

I would just like to say ‘ very sorry Sticky Buns’

[BH Hibs]

I can see why the club did it but I wouldn't ever apologise to that hate filled, bigoted shower of ***** ever.

[Box 17]

Let's be honest though, if Andy Cameron or some other Rangers supporting 'celebrity' said something we deemed insulting towards Hibs on Rangers TV, this place would be in uproar and demanding the SFA take action.

[bigwheel]

Let's be honest though, if Andy Cameron or some other Rangers supporting 'celebrity' said something we deemed insulting towards Hibs on Rangers TV, this place would be in uproar and demanding the SFA take action.

It’s great that we have the author of Trainspotting and they have Andy Cameron ! [emoji6]


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[Bishop Hibee]

Famine song, no apology. Banter on a private club Media feed, apology.

[vuefrom1875]

Sometimes instead of rising above it I wish Hibs would publicly tell Rangers to **** off. Or words to that effect.

Correct...we need another Tom Hart....he was not shy.

[matty_f]

I can understand why the club felt it necessary but it would be a cold day in Hell before I’d be endorsing any apology to that lot.

Maybe, and it is just a maybe, if they had apologised for the sectarian abuse from their support towards our club, it would be a bit more palatable, but until then they can **** right off.

It says a lot about them that they take comments on that context and get outraged at them.

They’ll be hounding Only an Excuse etc for apologies as well.

[WeeRussell]

Can anyone tell me the full details behind the naming of band he was in “stairway 13”.

I assumed huns had it wrong and it was coincidental given he joined atter moving to London, but apparently it was a reference to the ibrox disaster?

Surely wasn’t simply a dig?!

[WhileTheChief..]

Investigate what? It was a xxxxxxx joke ffs.

Why are Hibs even entertaining them. Should tell them to do one until they apologise for Morelos.

Let’s the authorities do their worst. I’d like us to fight for once.

It’s our tv channel, we can do what the hell we like.

[WhileTheChief..]

Let's be honest though, if Andy Cameron or some other Rangers supporting 'celebrity' said something we deemed insulting towards Hibs on Rangers TV, this place would be in uproar and demanding the SFA take action.

No, no we wouldn’t.

It’s been going on with them for years and we haven’t.

[Stokesy's on fire]

Has the club even confirmed if it did or didnt appoligise?

[Swedish hibee]

I'm the only one who thinks Hibs did the right thing! Yes as a fan, I agree with what he said of course but any professional club can't condone that on their TV channel.

[Smartie]

99 times out of 100 apologising would be the right thing to do, but it ignores the entire context of the whole Hibs and Rangers thing.

We tolerate the sectarian abuse of our employees at their workplace yet we apologise for that.

Nah, not on.

I'd be disappointed in Hibs if they didn't apologise to, say, Dundee United if it was a comment made about Rudi Skacel in identical circumstances.

This is just an act of weakness and deference and we've sen it far too often from Hibs.

Pitiful.

[NAE NOOKIE]

This is unacceptable, where is the club's apology to Andy Walker and Kris Boyd who the horrific Mr Welsh referred to as *******s on the very same show :grr:

I don't want my club to tolerate this, in fact I've decided not to go to any of our home games for the next 4 weeks in protest.

[Ozyhibby]

I'm the only one who thinks Hibs did the right thing! Yes as a fan, I agree with what he said of course but any professional club can't condone that on their TV channel.

I agree. What he said was out of order. You can’t advocate violence against the opposition players. I really can’t take to Irvine Welsh to be honest. In fact the studio part of the Hibs TV has been garbage all season. I have no interest in what Welsh or the ladies captain thought of the game.


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[Crunchie]

I agree. What he said was out of order. You can’t advocate violence against the opposition players. I really can’t take to Irvine Welsh to be honest. In fact the studio part of the Hibs TV has been garbage all season. I have no interest in what Welsh or the ladies captain thought of the game.


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Me neither, I rarely listen to the commentary during a game now. Tonight I watched the Spurs v Liverpool game with the sound down and a medley of 70s music.

[Chorley Hibee]

How did we arrive in a place where Rangers and their support are a moral arbiter on acceptable behaviour?

It's like Harold Shipman commenting upon poor medical ethics.

[Lancs Harp]

Lee Wallace is back in hospital as a result of Irvine's verbal assault.

[WeeRussell]

Maybe the Huns can apologise for all of the vile sectarianism and racism often displayed by hundreds if not thousands of their **** fans on Follow Follow where it is all written in ink in plain sight?

It’ll be staggering the amount of them that are complaining about the “sticky buns” line (which we know not to be sectarian).

And then using some ‘questionable’ language to describe Hibs and Celtic in the same post.

Do they think sectarian means anything derogatory that Celtic call them?

[LeithMike]

Deary me. Knew it would happen. We should have got Chief Miekelson to apologise.

https://youtu.be/GDrZpuGp6aA


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[JohnM1875]

Embarrassing we've apologised.

After years of consistent sectarian abuse aimed at us by them home and away without even a whiff of remorse, we're the ones apologising?!

[Baader]

This was my initial reaction. Hopefully anyone who has complained can prove they paid to watch HIBS tv.

Yep. Huns getting irate about watching the match on a dodgy stream? Hibs should have told them what they can do with their request for an apology.

Their recently acquired 'victim complex' is just a ruse to deflect from how disgusting a club they really are.

[MWHIBBIES]

Actually pretty disappointed. They sing about Alan stubbs having cancer and we do nothing. They sung about killing lennon, we do nothing. They defile Easter road with sectarian filth every time and we do nothing.

[G B Young]

Never have, and never will. Soft as.

Maybe not in recent times, but Tom Hart was quick to hit out at any perceived injustice towards Hibs. I particularly recall him branding Rangers' John MacDonald 'a cheat' after winning a penalty at ER with a blatant dive. Eddie Turnbull wasn't slow to put the boot into the Old Firm either.

[jacomo]

I agree with you.





Me too. A bit of exuberance by a guest brushed off with a sorry/not sorry apology. Job done.

[Since452]

That shower in Govan, whatever they're calling themselves, have no right to an apology for anything until they sort the rancid element that runs right through their horrible club. Hibs are apologising to a club who's fans subject ours (Hibs customers) to vile sectarian rubbish year after year not to mention junkies, taigs, spoonburners etc. Let's not even go into the aftermath of the cup final and "that particular club" carry on. Hibs have done a lot of good things off the park recently but they really need to think about the supporters and their reaction to things. Hibs should have said nothing. That was all that was needed. An apology? To them? Nah not having it. Soft as **** and a slap in the face to us. Dissapointing.

[NOLA]

Jack Ross is a hun, just keeping them sweet so we can loan another diddy from them [emoji13]

[Peevemor]

I’m surprised it appears I’m in the minority that thinks the club is right to apologise, privately.

I enjoyed him saying it, a lot, but it’s not something I think Hibs can be seen to endorse, which is how it’d look if they didn’t acknowledge it.

I’ve seen folk on here greeting about things like what’s being said on Sportsound, demanding fairness, or demanding the club ask for an apology from the Daily Record...but when Irvine Welsh (jokes) on our TV station about Morelos being cut up, we’re asking why Rangers are so touchy about it?I agree. Talk about us crapping it, etc. is nonsense. Why does everyone have to get so angry about every wee thing these days? It's tiresome.

[G B Young]

I agree. What he said was out of order. You can’t advocate violence against the opposition players. I really can’t take to Irvine Welsh to be honest. In fact the studio part of the Hibs TV has been garbage all season. I have no interest in what Welsh or the ladies captain thought of the game.


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I'm with you to some extent. While I feel zero empathy with the Rangers fans complaining, this isn't about how vile their fans can be. Welsh made his comments on a live broadcast endorsed by Hibs. I'd suggest he's old enough to know better, but I guess he feels he has a certain image to maintain. Does he really need to appear 'in character' at all times?

FWIW I met him a couple of times, once at an early book reading for Trainspotting where he came across as a decent (and quiet!) bloke.

[Since90+2]

For those defending Welsh,would their opinion be the same if it was a Rangers TV guest saying Ryan Porteous or Kevin Nisbet should be cut up into tiny pieces? You can't say those things even in jest.

Welsh has got himself some publicity out if it though.

[GRA]

If you are representing Hibs TV then its not the arena for pub banter. Think there needs to be more explicit guidance to the guests they have on about what they can and can't do. Openly swearing (like Gaz O'Conner) and advocating violence against opposition players like Irvine did falls below the standards I'd expect.

That said the overreaction from the currant buns is laughable. Still foster that deep sense of anger and eagerness for confrontation, even when things are going well!

[Since90+2]

That shower in Govan, whatever they're calling themselves, have no right to an apology for anything until they sort the rancid element that runs right through their horrible club. Hibs are apologising to a club who's fans subject ours (Hibs customers) to vile sectarian rubbish year after year not to mention junkies, taigs, spoonburners etc. Let's not even go into the aftermath of the cup final and "that particular club" carry on. Hibs have done a lot of good things off the park recently but they really need to think about the supporters and their reaction to things. Hibs should have said nothing. That was all that was needed. An apology? To them? Nah not having it. Soft as **** and a slap in the face to us. Dissapointing.

Hibs should hold themselves to a higher standard than Rangers. Whataboutery is what we continually accuse the old firm of.

He shouldn't have said it.

[Peevemor]

If you are representing Hibs TV then its not the arena for pub banter. Think there needs to be more explicit guidance to the guests they have on about what they can and can't do. Openly swearing (like Gaz O'Conner) and advocating violence against opposition players like Irvine did falls below the standards I'd expect.

That said the overreaction from the currant buns is laughable. Still foster that deep sense of anger and eagerness for confrontation, even when things are going well!

Did he though?

Had he said something about hoping McGregor or Porteous broke his leg - that would be out of order, but shopping him up and feeding him to seagulls???

[Peevemor]

For those defending Welsh,would their opinion be the same if it was a Rangers TV guest saying Ryan Porteous or Kevin Nisbet should be cut up into tiny pieces? You can't say those things even in jest.

Welsh has got himself some publicity out if it though.

If said in jest I honestly wouldn't bother.

[Brizo]

I can see why Hibs may have thought it was easiest just to apologise to try and calm the situation down. It's arguably better than Rangers trying to take it further, it was an in house show after all.

In saying that it really sticks in my craw. It was quite obviously a couple tongue in cheek remarks that have been blown out of all proportion by people who want to be allowed to say anything they like but can't take a wee bit back. I don't care if this is whataboutery but when you consider what Rangers get away with week after week, year after year it seems ****ing ridiculous that we are apologising.

:agree:

In an ideal world Hibs would make a retrospective complaint to OFCOM about the broadcasting of the huns racist and sectarian songs every time they have appeared on the TV which is basically since the first huns game was televised. On the Irvine thread I mentioned that I expected some Hibs forelock-tugging and its happened. In this current world we live in, we probably had no alternative but I remember the days of the late Tom Hart who would have just told the huns to GTF


I find it interesting that our fans reps disappear when anything even slightly controversial has happened. It is at times like this that we need the facts regarding what our club is doing to protect itself and players. Things like this build up resentment and starts to alienate the fans from the club, particularly after our semifinal results. Come in Hibernian, it’s time to get the fans on board.

To be fair Frank Dougan slated the huns behaviour after one particularly toxic game at Hunbrox where the abuse and threats from them were even worse than normal. He got the most vile sectarian abuse from their fans on social media, possibly the only time it was a positive thing that a Hibs fan rep wasn't on social media. LD and the rest of the Board left him to hang out to dry and did absolutely nothing to support him. If the CEO and Board are afraid to speak up, I don't blame the volunteer unpaid fans reps for not putting their heads above the parapet.

[JohnMcM]

On a positive note, the apology puts us top of the official club statement league for 2021. Every cloud has a silver lining. :greengrin

[Carheenlea]

I understand why Hibs have apologised to Rangers, but while this was done privately with an approach made from Hibs, Rangers feel the need to demand further action and turn what was a private apology into a public one. Childish attention seeking really and sums the despicable club up.

Hibs will be wishing they had never bothered. Telling them to GTF would have been the more satisfactory response all round.

[Peevemor]

I understand why Hibs have apologised to Rangers, but while this was done privately with an approach made from Hibs, Rangers feel the need to demand further action and turn what was a private apology into a public one. Childish attention seeking really and sums the despicable club up.

Hibs will be wishing they had never bothered. Telling them to GTF would have been the more satisfactory response all round.

Spot on!

[Col L]

I think this is largely Hibs’ own doing. They invited Irvine on - they took that decision and surely knew the risks. It’s similar to Chris Evans inviting Shaun Ryder on to TFI Friday all those years ago (he and Channel 4 also had to apologise).

Personally I like Irvine’s patter but if you put him in on live for a Hibs v Rangers game, you are playing with fire. Cannae then turn round and blame him for being himself.

Get Shaun on for the next game, he’ll twist Morelos’s melon man!


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[WhileTheChief..]

I agree. Talk about us crapping it, etc. is nonsense. Why does everyone have to get so angry about every wee thing these days? It's tiresome.

Tiresome?

Whos posts are you talking about now?

I’m furious about the apology. I think it says a lot about us as a club, I don’t like it and I’ve expressed my view on here.

Once again you come saying folk that disagree with you are talking nonsense and being tiresome. Bang out of order.

[Peevemor]

In any case, Irvine Welsh was a great guest who interacted well with Joelle Murray and brought out the best in David Tanner. It's a Hibs programme for Hibs TV subscribers and ST holders.

Let them have their wee apology. If they're classless enough to moan in public so be it.

Hibs won't get into trouble because a guest talks about "sticky buns" and feeding a player to pigeons.

Any Hibs fans complaining or agreeing with the huns need to get out a bit more.

[Danderhall Hibs]

Actually pretty disappointed. They sing about Alan stubbs having cancer and we do nothing. They sung about killing lennon, we do nothing. They defile Easter road with sectarian filth every time and we do nothing.

We all need to complain to ofcom the next time.

[Peevemor]

Tiresome?

Whos posts are you talking about now?

I’m furious about the apology. I think it says a lot about us as a club, I don’t like it and I’ve expressed my view on here.

Once again you come saying folk that disagree with you are talking nonsense and being tiresome. Bang out of order.

How was the apology presented? An official letter, a quick email, an sms from one SLO to another?

You don't even know exactly what you're furious about.

And the constant stream of negativity and criticism of anything the club does (or might have done) is tiresome.

[blackpoolhibs]

I’m surprised it appears I’m in the minority that thinks the club is right to apologise, privately.

I enjoyed him saying it, a lot, but it’s not something I think Hibs can be seen to endorse, which is how it’d look if they didn’t acknowledge it.

I’ve seen folk on here greeting about things like what’s being said on Sportsound, demanding fairness, or demanding the club ask for an apology from the Daily Record...but when Irvine Welsh (jokes) on our TV station about Morelos being cut up, we’re asking why Rangers are so touchy about it?


:agree: I agreed with every word Irvine said, but as a club we cant be seen to be condoning it, so a private apology is right. :sick:

You dont need to mean any apology, you just need to be seen to be giving one, Hibs have not apologised for me as i loved every bit of what he said.

The Rangers have now opened the door for EVERY club to now pick up on every tiny bit of abuse THEIR supporters hand out, it's now over to the rest of us to do so.

[Since90+2]

In any case, Irvine Welsh was a great guest who interacted well with Joelle Murray and brought out the best in David Tanner. It's a Hibs programme for Hibs TV subscribers and ST holders.

Let them have their wee apology. If they're classless enough to moan in public so be it.

Hibs won't get into trouble because a guest talks about "sticky buns" and feeding a player to pigeons.

Any Hibs fans complaining or agreeing with the huns need to get out a bit more.

So if someone disagrees with you they need to get out a bit more? Very classy.

I'd suggest the amount of times you post on this site maybe suggests it's yourself who needs to get out a bit more.

[WhileTheChief..]

You’re splitting hairs.

What difference does it make? It’s the principle that we apologised to them, don’t you see that?

Did you read what Rangers had to say? Did you read that they want our club to be investigated by the authorities? And WE are the ones apologising?!!

How don’t you see that as being a problem?

We should have issued a reply to Rangers saying for them to grow up and take it just like they dish it out. Or we should have said nothing at all. Or we could have said we agree with Irvine, Morelos was an animal on the night.

We had so many options but we go for the soft, easy, Hibs way. Sorry Sir, won’t happen again, please, please let us play with you. It’s sickening.

[Peevemor]

So if someone disagrees with you they need to get out a bit more? Very classy.

That's not what I said though is it?


I'd suggest the amount of times you post on this site maybe suggests it's yourself who needs to get out a bit more.

I get out plenty thanks. Enough to widen my outlook on things in any case.

[Peevemor]

You’re splitting hairs.

What difference does it make? It’s the principle that we apologised to them, don’t you see that?

No, not without seeing the apology or the spirit in which it was given.


Did you read what Rangers had to say? Did you read that they want our club to be investigated by the authorities? And WE are the ones apologising?!!

How don’t you see that as being a problem?

The Rangers SLO "talking out of school" on Twitter? I don't care what he says.


We should have issued a reply to Rangers saying for them to grow up and take it just like they dish it out. Or we should have said nothing at all. Or we could have said we agree with Irvine, Morelos was an animal on the night.

We had so many options but we go for the soft, easy, Hibs way. Sorry Sir, won’t happen again, please, please let us play with you. It’s sickening.

No, we should rise above it. Let them moan, Hibs don't care about goings on in the 17th century.

[Jones28]

:agree: I agreed with every word Irvine said, but as a club we cant be seen to be condoning it, so a private apology is right. :sick:

You dont need to mean any apology, you just need to be seen to be giving one, Hibs have not apologised for me as i loved every bit of what he said.

The Rangers have now opened the door for EVERY club to now pick up on every tiny bit of abuse THEIR supporters hand out, it's now over to the rest of us to do so.

:aok: Super post and sums up my feelings on the matter too.

Optics are what counts, do we really think everyone at Hibs was on a Zoom meeting worrying about Rangers being upset? Of course not, but they had to be seen to do be doing something.

Rangers chose to make it public and then went on to encourage an investigation from the league, so in hindsight we shouldn't have bothered, but it is what it is and like BH says the door is now open for every little thing they do to be scrutinised.

[scoopyboy]

In any case, Irvine Welsh was a great guest who interacted well with Joelle Murray and brought out the best in David Tanner. It's a Hibs programme for Hibs TV subscribers and ST holders.

Let them have their wee apology. If they're classless enough to moan in public so be it.

Hibs won't get into trouble because a guest talks about "sticky buns" and feeding a player to pigeons.

Any Hibs fans complaining or agreeing with the huns need to get out a bit more.

I'm furious he called them sticky buns, I call them cream buns

[MWHIBBIES]

Great if we said sorry then had him on next time against them. Then just said sorry again. Then did again.

[telford hibbee]

On the subject of apologies why are we not asking Gerrard if it has been warm enough to watch the Morelos incident yet,if so what does he think now that he has defrosted?

[Peevemor]

I'm furious he called them sticky buns, I call them cream buns

Always the currant buns for me.

[danhibees1875]

Always the currant buns for me.

After their recent outrage perhaps they should now be cross buns?

[Carheenlea]

On the subject of apologies why are we not asking Gerrard if it has been warm enough to watch the Morelos incident yet,if so what does he think now that he has defrosted?

I’m not interested in playing whataboutery games.

We’ve apologised, unprompted, and probably the respectable thing to do, but that still doesn’t appear to be acceptable enough for Rangers who wish to turn this molehill into a mountain.

We’ve done our bit and best to leave it at that and live by our standards and not lower ourselves to others.

[Keith_M]

The only thing I've seen is this report in the Evening News

'Rangers SLO Greg Marshall wrote on Twitter: "We are disappointed at the comments made in relation to Alfredo and our club. Hibs have apologised to the club today. Nevertheless, we are sure these comments will be investigated by the football authorities." '
https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/hibs/hibs-apologise-rangers-after-irvine-welsh-comments-about-ibrox-club-and-alfredo-morelos-3116720


I can't find a comment from Hibs, or any details of what they're alleged to have said.

[Diclonius]

And no doubt when they next come to ER and blast sectarian bull**** for 90 minutes, probably with some new song about Irvine Welsh, we'll just sit back and resume our Dignified Silence™.

An apology is probably merited but we never, EVER stand up for ourselves on anything. It's pathetic.

[Pescarese]

If I'd been writing the statement it would have apologised hunreservedly.

[Keith_M]

Serious question for anybody that posted about being annoyed at Hibs' apology.


What is it that Hibs actually said?

:dunno:

[WhileTheChief..]

we never, EVER stand up for ourselves on anything. It's pathetic.

:top marksIt's embarrassing.

We always go for 'silence' as the right thing to do. It sucks big time.

See if the club stuck up for itself in these kinds of situations, they would get the support back 10 fold. Fans love a cause to rally behind.

What's our cause? To be environmentally friendly or whatever? That really gets the blood pumping eh.

[WhileTheChief..]

Serious question for anybody that posted about being annoyed at Hibs' apology.


What is it that Hibs actually said?

:dunno:

Nobody knows, it doesn't matter.

We said sorry to them because they asked us to. That's all there is to it.

[Since452]

Great if we said sorry then had him on next time against them. Then just said sorry again. Then did again.

Would be ****housery at its best

[Since452]

Hopefully when fans are back we unfurl a massive sticky bun banner

[Jones28]

The only thing I've seen is this report in the Evening News

'Rangers SLO Greg Marshall wrote on Twitter: "We are disappointed at the comments made in relation to Alfredo and our club. Hibs have apologised to the club today. Nevertheless, we are sure these comments will be investigated by the football authorities." '
https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/hibs/hibs-apologise-rangers-after-irvine-welsh-comments-about-ibrox-club-and-alfredo-morelos-3116720


I can't find a comment from Hibs, or any details of what they're alleged to have said.

Is the only word we have on this from the Sticky Buns or is there anything from the club?

[Jones28]

Would be ****housery at its best

It would the best thing to do.

[easty]

Why can’t some people see the difference between what supporters do in the stands, and what an invited guest says on TV?

Hibs haven’t apologised for something Welsh shouted from the stands while at the game, he was an invited guest on our tv channel.

If Irvine Welsh wants to go on Twitter today and say he’s not sorry, and he hopes that after Morelos is cut up, they go for that prick Gerrard next. Then Hibs won’t apologise as it’s nothing to do with us.

We know that Rangers won’t condemn the sectarianism. It’s *****, and it’s Scottish football at its worst. Is that the level we want to set ourselves? Not me.

[Peevemor]

Is the only word we have on this from the Sticky Buns or is there anything from the club?

That's all that I've seen so far.

Nothing to be furious at the club about.

[easty]

And no doubt when they next come to ER and blast sectarian bull**** for 90 minutes, probably with some new song about Irvine Welsh, we'll just sit back and resume our Dignified Silence™.

An apology is probably merited but we never, EVER stand up for ourselves on anything. It's pathetic.

Didn’t we stand up for ourselves when Celtc wanted the recent game rearranged? Didn’t we stand up for ourselves when we asked that their players be COVID tested again on the day of the game?

[Keith_M]

Nobody knows, it doesn't matter.

We said sorry to them because they asked us to. That's all there is to it.


Sorry, but I think it really does matter.


There's an old proverb that goes something like this:

"Anyone that responds to a matter before he has heard it, is a fool unto himself"


If Hibs HAVE made a grovelling apology, then I'll genuinely be raging, but wouldn't it be better to find out the details first, before going off the deep end?

[ElginHibbie]

Why can’t some people see the difference between what supporters do in the stands, and what an invited guest says on TV?

Hibs haven’t apologised for something Welsh shouted from the stands while at the game, he was an invited guest on our tv channel.

If Irvine Welsh wants to go on Twitter today and say he’s not sorry, and he hopes that after Morelos is cut up, they go for that prick Gerrard next. Then Hibs won’t apologise as it’s nothing to do with us.

We know that Rangers won’t condemn the sectarianism. It’s *****, and it’s Scottish football at its worst. Is that the level we want to set ourselves? Not me.

Exactly!

Someone on here have such a dim view of the club they seem to think they have gone on their knees begging Rangers for forgiveness when really it will just be a token "Sorry about that" in an email someone spent 2 minutes on to avoid this growing arms and legs in the press, we don't need unnecessary distractions like that especially on our current form on the pitch.

[A Hi-Bee]

Hopefully when fans are back we unfurl a massive sticky bun banner

I would prefer to be throwing every kind of bun, sticky, currant, hot cross, treacle you name it, every type of bun thrown at the hun the next time they are at E.R.
The huns under the buns.
:greengrin:greengrin:greengrin

[Jones28]

Hopefully when fans are back we unfurl a massive sticky bun banner

Or a surfer flag :greengrin

[.Sean.]

That shower in Govan, whatever they're calling themselves, have no right to an apology for anything until they sort the rancid element that runs right through their horrible club. Hibs are apologising to a club who's fans subject ours (Hibs customers) to vile sectarian rubbish year after year not to mention junkies, taigs, spoonburners etc. Let's not even go into the aftermath of the cup final and "that particular club" carry on. Hibs have done a lot of good things off the park recently but they really need to think about the supporters and their reaction to things. Hibs should have said nothing. That was all that was needed. An apology? To them? Nah not having it. Soft as **** and a slap in the face to us. Dissapointing.
Hope KP feeds back to the board how unhappy the vast majority of us are at pandering to the HUNS again

Sick of us being soft as **** at the top, no wonder it feeds down to the players

[.Sean.]

Hopefully when fans are back we unfurl a massive sticky bun banner
Hopefully the ‘Hun ****’ one is still in storage

[Chorley Hibee]

The Rangers have now opened the door for EVERY club to now pick up on every tiny bit of abuse THEIR supporters hand out, it's now over to the rest of us to do so.

Their reprehensible behaviour is known to all and sundry, yet nothing happens.

This incident isn't going to shine a light upon something nobody wasn't already aware of.

Rangers and their support will continue down their well trodden road whilst Hibs, and Scottish society in general, continue to turn a blind eye.

No wonder they're so emboldened.

[WhileTheChief..]

Sorry, but I think it really does matter.


There's an old proverb that goes something like this:

"Anyone that responds to a matter before he has heard it, is a fool unto himself"


If Hibs HAVE made a grovelling apology, then I'll genuinely be raging, but wouldn't it be better to find out the details first, before going off the deep end?

Ach, you're probably right.

But in this case I want to get in early. I rarely rant or moan about the club and definitely do not attack them relentlessly on here, but on this issue, I feel like it's justified.

Skip past the IF in your post and you feel the same as me basically!!

[Power]

I find it interesting that our fans reps disappear when anything even slightly controversial has happened. It is at times like this that we need the facts regarding what our club is doing to protect itself and players. Things like this build up resentment and starts to alienate the fans from the club, particularly after our semifinal results. Come on Hibernian, it’s time to get the fans on board.

I’ve not heard or seen anything from the club on this matter.
​
Toxicity thrives on drama (and will focus excessively on any ‘negative experience’ that befalls them). The usual demand of attention to satisfy their high sense of entitlement and inflated egos along the road is not surprising.

As always, happy to pass commentary on to the club.

[killie-hibby]

At todays pre match press con. I would suggest Hibs have a large TV screen in the room. Without any comment or explanation have Wednesdays assault on Porteous and the blatant penalty missed by Clancy showing on a continuous loop for the duration of the press con.
I would have expected apologies from Clancy for not giving a red card and Gerrard for Morelos's assault. After which Hibs could offer an apology.
Irvine's remarks were tame in comparison to what is regularly published on Follow Follow. Have yet to see the Ibrox club apologising for the filth on that forum.

[Keith_M]

Ach, you're probably right.

But in this case I want to get in early. I rarely rant or moan about the club and definitely do not attack them relentlessly on here, but on this issue, I feel like it's justified.

Skip past the IF in your post and you feel the same as me basically!!


That's true :greengrin


Sorry to spoil your wee rant

:aok:

[ElginHibbie]

Irvine's remarks were tame in comparison to what is regularly published on Follow Follow. Have yet to see the Ibrox club apologising for the filth on that forum.

Not defending what they say over there but what fans say online and what a guests say on a club's TV coverage are two completely different things and is just whataboutery.

Few on here were calling for someone to send Morelos off a stretcher the other night and no one is asking Hibs for an apology over that are they?

[overdrive]

I think Hibs are right to apologise and I don’t think it will be for the sticky bun comment. It will be for the machete comment which could be construed as inciting violence.

Interestingly, though, none of the Rangers fans I know in real life as opposed to online keyboard warriors have taken any offence to the comments. They all find it funny.

[Brightside]

I'll be surprised if he isnt fined tbh. I also have no idea why he was on the programme.

[killie-hibby]

Not defending what they say over there but what fans say online and what a guests say on a club's TV coverage are two completely different things and is just whataboutery.

Few on here were calling for someone to send Morelos off a stretcher the other night and no one is asking Hibs for an apology over that are they?


Correct. Hope another authority investigates the historical and continuous filth on FollowFollow.

[Since90+2]

I'll be surprised if he isnt fined tbh. I also have no idea why he was on the programme.

Who would have the authority to fine him? The Scottish football authorities don't so it would need to be a criminal charge.

[overdrive]

24281

We should demand an apology from McCoist or ban him from Easter Road if not :wink:




Before anyone asks, it wasn’t a suggested post on my account, I was sent a screenshot.

[ElginHibbie]

Who would have the authority to fine him? The Scottish football authorities don't so it would need to be a criminal charge.

Ofcom maybe? Though not sure if they have authority over online streams

Imagine the police would at most have a word with him, be a waste of their time anyway

[BoomtownHibees]

Ofcom maybe? Though not sure if they have authority over online streams

Imagine the police would at most have a word with him, be a waste of their time anyway

I don’t think Hibs TV will be regulated so nothing to do with Ofcom

[Hibs90]

Ofcom maybe? Though not sure if they have authority over online streams

Imagine the police would at most have a word with him, be a waste of their time anyway

Ofcom don't regulate Hibs TV.

[matty_f]

I can't get angry about Hibs apologising, I think it's one of those things that is unpalatable but probably necessary. If you were a neutral and looking at Hibs as a club who are anti-discrimination, then we can't be seen to be advocating the "sticky bun" comment, regardless of our own perceptions on whether the term it refers to is sectarian (and I don't agree that it is), there's enough sources out there to point to that would make that stance contentious at best, and therefore Hibs have to distance themselves from it and condemn it.

I don't think that's pandering to anyone, I just think it's a reasonable thing to do to put the issue to bed and maintain credibility when pushing an anti-discrimination policy.

If anyone thought that the machete comments were inciting violence then it says significantly more about their mindset than it does Irvine Welsh's, I don't even think it's what you'd call a bad taste joke, it's so absurd a thing to say that it's clearly meant to be ridiculous.

[matty_f]

Ofcom maybe? Though not sure if they have authority over online streams

Imagine the police would at most have a word with him, be a waste of their time anyway

There was no crime, so the police won't be interested in it.

[ElginHibbie]

There was no crime, so the police won't be interested in it.

No crime no, but these days they do have to have "words" with people when they post silly things online so if they are getting lots of reports from bored Rangers fans they might just have a "word" to try and stop that

[matty_f]

No crime no, but these days they do have to have "words" with people when they post silly things online so if they are getting lots of reports from bored Rangers fans they might just have a "word" to try and stop that

True, I suppose.

[Keith_M]

...

If anyone thought that the machete comments were inciting violence then it says significantly more about their mindset than it does Irvine Welsh's, I don't even think it's what you'd call a bad taste joke, it's so absurd a thing to say that it's clearly meant to be ridiculous.


From a club that fails to condemn their fans for singing about being 'up to our knees in Fenian blood', that would be a bit of an irony.

Hibs should actually publicly back the part of Welsh's comments about it being nice to go to a game against The Rangers and not have to hear them singing their sectarian ditties, and decry the fact that The Rangers, the SPFL/SFA and the Media continually brush it under the carpet.

[WhileTheChief..]

I can't get angry about Hibs apologising, I think it's one of those things that is unpalatable but probably necessary. If you were a neutral and looking at Hibs as a club who are anti-discrimination, then we can't be seen to be advocating the "sticky bun" comment, regardless of our own perceptions on whether the term it refers to is sectarian (and I don't agree that it is), there's enough sources out there to point to that would make that stance contentious at best, and therefore Hibs have to distance themselves from it and condemn it.

I don't think that's pandering to anyone, I just think it's a reasonable thing to do to put the issue to bed and maintain credibility when pushing an anti-discrimination policy.

If anyone thought that the machete comments were inciting violence then it says significantly more about their mindset than it does Irvine Welsh's, I don't even think it's what you'd call a bad taste joke, it's so absurd a thing to say that it's clearly meant to be ridiculous.

We could have said nothing.

Maintain credibility? Credibility that we are a forward thinking inclusive club you mean?

How about credibility in the fans eyes of not turning over to Rangers at every opportunity.

Sickening and embarrassing with the rest of Scottish football laughing at us again.

[matty_f]

From a club that fails to condemn their fans for singing about being 'up to our knees in Fenian blood', that would be a bit of an irony.

Hibs should actually publicly back the part of Welsh's comments about it being nice to go to a game against The Rangers and not have to hear them singing their sectarian ditties, and decry the fact that The Rangers, the SPFL/SFA and the Media continually brush it under the carpet.

100% would not be apologising for that part. You can't be upset at people calling you out for singing sectarian songs when you sing sectarian songs.

This is where the sticky bun comment is most contentious though because so many people view it as a sectarian term, that you can't really call out people singing sectarian songs if you yourself are using (perceived) sectarian terms.

For the record, I don't think it's sectarian.

[Peevemor]

No crime no, but these days they do have to have "words" with people when they post silly things online so if they are getting lots of reports from bored Rangers fans they might just have a "word" to try and stop that

Should they also have a word about stuff he's written in his books?

[Peevemor]

We could have said nothing.

Maintain credibility? Credibility that we are a forward thinking inclusive club you mean?

How about credibility in the fans eyes of not turning over to Rangers at every opportunity.

Sickening and embarrassing with the rest of Scottish football laughing at us again.


Where's that then?

Seriously.

[Jones28]

Along with the Sticky Bun surfer can we do a banner with the dictionary definition of Hun? Maybe next time we play the ****ers at easter road they should be hung all along bothwell street and on the bridge.

[matty_f]

We could have said nothing.

Maintain credibility? Credibility that we are a forward thinking inclusive club you mean?

How about credibility in the fans eyes of not turning over to Rangers at every opportunity.

Sickening and embarrassing with the rest of Scottish football laughing at us again.

Yeah, credibility that we mean what we say when we stand up against discrimination.

Like it or not (and I don't like it) the term referred to is deemed by many people as sectarian, so don't use it if you are saying you're not discriminatory.

Otherwise you lose credibility. It's contradictory to accept the use of the term at the same time as saying we are anti-discrimination (Lennon at the time he was employed by Hibs likened sectarian abuse to racism, we are active in the Show Racism the Red Card campaign).

I'm not saying I like it, I'm saying I understand why it was necessary and why Hibs would feel the need to distance themselves from the comment, and in the context above, I agree.

I don't want my club to be associated with sectarianism, so that means a zero tolerance policy on it. If there is a term used that is construed by some as sectarian then we, as a club, shouldn't use it, IMHO.

Saying nothing isn't an option in that context either. Saying nothing makes it acceptable and that flies in the face of the policies we have as a club.

We might not like it, but I can't see how the club could do anything other than apologise for that.

[The Count]

Fans do not dislike him because he is black.This racism is a red herring peddled by the West Coast Media.He is disliked because he is a cheating/dirty player who scowls his way round the pitch.Look at his history since he came here.Over the years i have diliked many a angry Rangers player eg McGregor,Bomber Brown etc and Alfredo joins them and i repeat its not because of his colour of his skin its the type of person.

[ElginHibbie]

Should they also have a word about stuff he's written in his books?

As Begbie and Spud aren't real people I think he'll be fine there

[Phil MaGlass]

Yeah, credibility that we mean what we say when we stand up against discrimination.

Like it or not (and I don't like it) the term referred to is deemed by many people as sectarian, so don't use it if you are saying you're not discriminatory.

Otherwise you lose credibility. It's contradictory to accept the use of the term at the same time as saying we are anti-discrimination (Lennon at the time he was employed by Hibs likened sectarian abuse to racism, we are active in the Show Racism the Red Card campaign).

I'm not saying I like it, I'm saying I understand why it was necessary and why Hibs would feel the need to distance themselves from the comment, and in the context above, I agree.

I don't want my club to be associated with sectarianism, so that means a zero tolerance policy on it. If there is a term used that is construed by some as sectarian then we, as a club, shouldn't use it, IMHO.

Saying nothing isn't an option in that context either. Saying nothing makes it acceptable and that flies in the face of the policies we have as a club.

We might not like it, but I can't see how the club could do anything other than apologise for that.


But it´s not sectarian though, deemed by a couple of eejits to be does not make it sectarian.
IF we have apologised Hibs can go do one.

[Peevemor]

Fans do not dislike him because he is black.This racism is a red herring peddled by the West Coast Media.He is disliked because he is a cheating/dirty player who scowls his way round the pitch.Look at his history since he came here.Over the years i have diliked many a angry Rangers player eg McGregor,Bomber Brown etc and Alfredo joins them and i repeat its not because of his colour of his skin its the type of person.

Yep, he definitely has one of those faces ...

[matty_f]

But it´s not sectarian though, deemed by a couple of eejits to be does not make it sectarian.
IF we have apologised Hibs can go do one.

I don't think it's sectarian as well, but it's more than a few eejits who say it is, whether we agree or not.

Nil by Mouth, although not popular, are one of the leading anti-sectarianism organisations and they consider it an inappropriate term.

My point is that it's contentious enough to warrant Hibs distancing themselves from it.

There are people who don't think the term "Chinky" is racist because they liken it to "Scots" so i think a club with a strong anti-discrimination policy needs to be squeaky clean with this.

Like I said, I don't like the apology but I can 100% understand why it's necessary and in that respect agree with Hibs for doing it.

Just because Rangers are horrible b***ards, shouldn't mean we lower ourselves to their level.

[MartinfaePorty]

But it´s not sectarian though, deemed by a couple of eejits to be does not make it sectarian.
IF we have apologised Hibs can go do one.

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/word-hun-not-considered-offensive-8975541

[matty_f]

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/word-hun-not-considered-offensive-8975541

The rest of the article, beyond the headline, goes in to explain how it can be deemed offensive (the SFA fined a Celtic player for saying it) and particularly that care needs to be taken around the use of it as it can be used in a sectarian context.


Edit - and I'm making that point as someone who, as already stated on the thread, does not believe that the term is sectarian. But context is everything.

[Hibi]

The rest of the article, beyond the headline, goes in to explain how it can be deemed offensive (the SFA fined a Celtic player for saying it) and particularly that care needs to be taken around the use of it as it can be used in a sectarian context.


Edit - and I'm making that point as someone who, as already stated on the thread, does not believe that the term is sectarian. But context is everything.

I certainly never believed it to be a sectarian term. I thought it was a term that described their general behaviour whenever they travelled.

[EI255]

I think we need to bring Irvine back, especially for the Hun games. If he winds them up then it's a win win situation [emoji4]

Ah the seagulls [emoji23]

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[Brunswickbill]

Should they also have a word about stuff he's written in his books?

Welsh will be loving the fact that he has wound up the weegie mob. I wouldn’t be surprised if a South American footballer turns up in a future book. I thought he was great on the show. A bit of a wild card and good entertainment. A genuine Hibby.

[MartinfaePorty]

The rest of the article, beyond the headline, goes in to explain how it can be deemed offensive (the SFA fined a Celtic player for saying it) and particularly that care needs to be taken around the use of it as it can be used in a sectarian context.


Edit - and I'm making that point as someone who, as already stated on the thread, does not believe that the term is sectarian. But context is everything.

Agree 100%, that context is key, but in social media in particular it goes out the window, so people go into full offended mode without taking it into consideration.

Was also the case of the 2 Celtic fans who got off 'Not Proven' for their 'Huns FC' banner, although the prosecution tried to link it to another banner that said 'Let's go to the war', so a bit different from a passing comment on a football club TV channel.

I used the term 'current bun' in the early 1990s in conversation with a colleague that ran a Rangers supporters bus from Kelty and he said he'd never heard it before. He thought it was hilarious.

[danhibees1875]

Wait, what have we/what do people think we have apologised for?

For using the term "sticky bun"?

I thought it was the comments about chopping him up with a machete that would be more the focus of the apology.

[gbhibby]

Do we actually need to apologise there is no strict liability in Scottish Football.

Youtube will be worried as some of the stuff on there beggers belief.

[Sir David Gray]

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/word-hun-not-considered-offensive-8975541

I'm not clicking on any Daily Record links but if it's trying to suggest that the word "hun" is sectarian then I would argue they are wrong.

I am someone who was brought up in the Church of Scotland (i.e. Protestant) and have never been called a hun in my life.

I can only imagine that it's because what I've always thought is in fact true, which is that a hun is, and always will be, a reference to a player or a fan of Rangers irrespective of their creed, colour or religious beliefs.

Anyone, whether they be black, white, Asian, mixed race, Protestant, Catholic, Hindu or Jewish, who represents Rangers FC is a hun.

[neil7908]

I'm really sick of Scottish football at the moment and Hibs aren't doing much to lift that gloom.

[matty_f]

I'm not clicking on any Daily Record links but if it's trying to suggest that the word "hun" is sectarian then I would argue they are wrong.

I am someone who was brought up in the Church of Scotland (i.e. Protestant) and have never been called a hun in my life.

I can only imagine that it's because what I've always thought is in fact true, which is that a hun is, and always will be, a reference to a player or a fan of Rangers irrespective of their creed, colour or religious beliefs.

Anyone, whether they be black, white, Asian, mixed race, Protestant, Catholic, Hindu or Jewish, who represents Rangers FC is a hun.
They’re saying the opposite, that Ofcom deemed it to be mildly offensive and not worth bothering about.

[Sir David Gray]

They’re saying the opposite, that Ofcom deemed it to be mildly offensive and not worth bothering about.

Ah right thanks I'm shocked the Daily Record is reporting such a story.

I wouldn't have thought it would have suited their readership.

[Fuzzywuzzy]

I'm confused how the term can be deemed sectarian. It's purely directed at a set of football fans and not protestants as a whole. I'd have no reason to call a Protestant a hun. I'm sure those in our own support have never been called a hun. Thought it all came from a commentator or news articles from the '70's saying the were like 'maurauding huns' as they went on the warpath

[Sir David Gray]

I'm confused how the term can be deemed sectarian. It's purely directed at a set of football fans and not protestants as a whole. I'd have no reason to call a Protestant a hun. I'm sure those in our own support have never been called a hun. Thought it all came from a commentator or news articles from the '70's saying the were like 'maurauding huns' as they went on the warpath

I've just made the same point on another thread.

I was raised in the Church of Scotland and therefore Protestant and have never been called a hun in my life.

[The Captain....]

Think it was the ineffectual naval gazers at 'Nil by Mouth' who labeled hun a sectarian term. As far as I can remember it was after the predictable representation by Rangers fans in an attempt to mitigate their own, many and serious sectarian abuses over the years and make themselves look like victims.

I ****ing hate huns just to be clear.

[WhileTheChief..]

Nil by Mouth, an unelected bunch of nobodies that call themselves a charity.

Why should anyone pay them any attention at all?

[WeeRussell]

I'm confused how the term can be deemed sectarian. It's purely directed at a set of football fans and not protestants as a whole. I'd have no reason to call a Protestant a hun. I'm sure those in our own support have never been called a hun. Thought it all came from a commentator or news articles from the '70's saying the were like 'maurauding huns' as they went on the warpath

Correct - it's no more sectarian than them referring to us as 'spoon-burners' (which is probably more offensive if anything!). It's a nickname for anyone associated with their horrible hunnish club.

But because the huns want it to be sectarian, there's now been some debate over it.

It isn't. and they will always be huns.

[Baader]

It's no more sectarian than calling them neanderthals or barbarians which is the context of what it actually means. The Rangers are the ones who have recently been pedalling an agenda to make it seem like some religious slight and allow them to indulge their own vehement and unparalleled actual sectarian nonsense. It fits their fans' perception they are the persecuted ones. It is absolute nonsense.

[EdinMike]

So we can’t say “Current Bun” but they can sing their drivel ?!... Pot, Kettle, Black.

[bringbackbenny]

who remembers the forum member who signed off every post as John, Hates the Huns, Inglis? Does he still post, if so he should have a badge of honour :thumbsup: :flag:

[Danderhall Hibs]

No crime no, but these days they do have to have "words" with people when they post silly things online so if they are getting lots of reports from bored Rangers fans they might just have a "word" to try and stop that

I think that’s the perception but actually they don’t - they don’t even bother with online death threats from accounts with a daft user name.

[silverhibee]

On a positive note, the apology puts us top of the official club statement league for 2021. Every cloud has a silver lining. :greengrin

Is the apology on the official site. :confused:

[silverhibee]

In any case, Irvine Welsh was a great guest who interacted well with Joelle Murray and brought out the best in David Tanner. It's a Hibs programme for Hibs TV subscribers and ST holders.

Let them have their wee apology. If they're classless enough to moan in public so be it.

Hibs won't get into trouble because a guest talks about "sticky buns" and feeding a player to pigeons.

Any Hibs fans complaining or agreeing with the huns need to get out a bit more.

Stay home Save Lives.

[Carheenlea]

Is the apology on the official site. :confused:

I can’t find the post, but KP was on here earlier and while I didn’t fully understand his reply, I wasn’t sure if he was confirming or denying that there was any apology. Certainly isn’t anything on the site last I looked.

[JohnMcM]

Is the apology on the official site. :confused:

No idea to be honest. Just trying to lighten the mood.:wink:

[silverhibee]

And no doubt when they next come to ER and blast sectarian bull**** for 90 minutes, probably with some new song about Irvine Welsh, we'll just sit back and resume our Dignified Silence™.

An apology is probably merited but we never, EVER stand up for ourselves on anything. It's pathetic.

Just as well LD still isn't in charge, she would have stormed upstairs and thrown Irvine out the door and banned him for life.

Hibs should have said nothing, in the eyes of the law he has done nothing wrong, if people want to pretend "Hun" is offensive then the polis would get involved, so far nothing from them, just drivel from The RanGers and media and the "we don't care nobody likes us brigade", nobody like a grass, eh Huns.

[Chorley Hibee]

Nil by Mouth, the Glasgow centric charity who repeatedly infer sectarianism is a problem amongst all supports (in a bid to shine the spotlight elsewhere) rather than upon the big red, white and blue elephant in the room.

They're part of the problem.

[southern hibby]

I've just made the same point on another thread.

I was raised in the Church of Scotland and therefore Protestant and have never been called a hun in my life.

I too am the same as yourself. Never ever been called a Hun. Maybe wee should stop calling them Hun’s and start calling them what they really are, Neanderthal Religious sectarian Biggots.

GGTTH

[bigwheel]

Nil by Mouth, the Glasgow centric charity who repeatedly infer sectarianism is a problem amongst all supports - rather than the big red, white and blue elephant in the room.

They're part of the problem.

Sectarian nonsense is dominantly an old firm thing. But it happens across Scotland in almost every ground and town/city ..it’s amazing the teams that I’ve heard shout the likes of “fenian *******s” at us ..

[Carheenlea]

Rather than get bogged down with what or what’s not acceptable terminology, is it not just easier to call them *****?

[Chorley Hibee]

Sectarian nonsense is dominantly an old firm thing. But it happens across Scotland in almost every ground and town/city ..it’s amazing the teams that I’ve heard shout the likes of “fenian *******s” at us ..

They're notorious fence sitters.

On every occasion they've had to make comment upon an incident surrounding Rangers/Celtic they always try to implicate others as a problem too.

They even lumped Hibs in with it a few years ago.

Hun appeasement tactics.

[silverhibee]

Nil by Mouth, an unelected bunch of nobodies that call themselves a charity.

Why should anyone pay them any attention at all?

:agree:

[silverhibee]

No idea to be honest. Just trying to lighten the mood.:wink:

:thumbsup:

[007]

Was Irvine not just being affectionate? Hun is short for honey, particularly in the US where he spends a lot of his time. It's a term of endearment.

https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=hun

[gbhibby]

I'm confused how the term can be deemed sectarian. It's purely directed at a set of football fans and not protestants as a whole. I'd have no reason to call a Protestant a hun. I'm sure those in our own support have never been called a hun. Thought it all came from a commentator or news articles from the '70's saying the were like 'maurauding huns' as they went on the warpath
I think back at the time of the first World War both bigot brothers used to use the term against each other.
The Rangers side was that they deemed the Irish were sympathetic to the Germans. Probably the other side because of their allegiance to the house of Hanover which changed its name to Windsor in 1917.

[Skol]

We can debate all day about the rights and wrongs of what was said.

Bottom line for me is that its OK chat down the pub, but shouldnt be part of an official broadcast by the club. Welsh has put Hibs in a very awkward position.

[drumatic44]

We can debate all day about the rights and wrongs of what was said.

Bottom line for me is that its OK chat down the pub, but shouldnt be part of an official broadcast by the club. Welsh has put Hibs in a very awkward position.
Trouble with all this stuff is that it totally diverts attention away from the Morelos stamp, no one is talking about that now it's all about Irvine Welsh, where are the back pages on it now ??. Let's face it is there a more odious footballer on the planet , him and the rangers are well suited . !!

[Stuart93]

Trouble with all this stuff is that it totally diverts attention away from the Morelos stamp, no one is talking about that now it's all about Irvine Welsh, where are the back pages on it now ??. Let's face it is there a more odious footballer on the planet , him and the rangers are well suited . !!

That’s exactly why the rangers fans, media etc are concentrating on that, to deflect from the morelos stamp

[Jim44]

Trouble with all this stuff is that it totally diverts attention away from the Morelos stamp, no one is talking about that now it's all about Irvine Welsh, where are the back pages on it now ??. Let's face it is there a more odious footballer on the planet , him and the rangers are well suited . !!

I made exactly the same point here yesterday. Because of the clever diversion, Morelos’s assault has disappeared like snow off a dyke.

[Argylehibby]

Trouble with all this stuff is that it totally diverts attention away from the Morelos stamp, no one is talking about that now it's all about Irvine Welsh, where are the back pages on it now ??. Let's face it is there a more odious footballer on the planet , him and the rangers are well suited . !!

:agree: Exactly! Rangers are laughing at all of this because the attention is off of the real villan. I've not checked up but assume there has been no notice of complaint served as yet?

[gbhibby]

I think back at the time of the first World War both bigot brothers used to use the term against each other.
The Rangers side was that they deemed the Irish were sympathetic to the Germans. Probably the other side because of their allegiance to the house of Hanover which changed its name to Windsor in 1917.
Oscar I remember reading the above in an article some years ago. Saxe Coburg still had links to Germany so they changed the name to Windsor as it was still linked to Germany.

Remember the Euro 96 when Germany won when the Queen presented the trophy some German newspapers saying that the trophy was presented to Germany from a fellow German

[Since90+2]

We can debate all day about the rights and wrongs of what was said.

Bottom line for me is that its OK chat down the pub, but shouldnt be part of an official broadcast by the club. Welsh has put Hibs in a very awkward position.

Agreed.

If he doesn't come out with this stuff the focus is on Morelos and Rangers getting away with another decision.

[Onion]

That’s exactly why the rangers fans, media etc are concentrating on that, to deflect from the morelos stamp

Precisely, and the media are more than delighted to do their bidding. The whole Sevco team was physically assaulted at Hampden in May 2016, don't you know ?

[neil7908]

Wonder if we'll get an apology from the ref or Sevco for the Morelos incident? I'd suggest we hold off on future apologies until they are reciprocal.

[WeeRussell]

I too am the same as yourself. Never ever been called a Hun. Maybe wee should stop calling them Hun’s and start calling them what they really are, Neanderthal Religious sectarian Biggots.

GGTTH

Like it. Maybe we could call them ‘huns’ for short though? 😉

[southern hibby]

[QUOTE=WeeRussell;6442431]Like it. Maybe we could call them ‘huns’ for short though? 😉[/QUOTE


Not sure why but I genuinely think this will catch on..... 😉


GGTTH

[Keith_M]

My Missus is German and I refer to her as 'My Wee Hun'.

She thinks it's sweet.


Please, nobody tell her! :wink:

[bawheid]

If it were up to me Hibs would refer to them as Huns in all communications.

Match programme: Hibernian v The Huns
Tanner: “Well, Hibs are up against The Huns in this afternoons match.”
Jack Ross: “The Huns have had an exceptional season but I’m disappointed we didn’t take anything out of the game.”
Official statements: The Huns should wind their necks in and get their own house in order before complaining about anyone else.

Huns. Huns. Huns.

For it is what they are.

[gbhibby]

NEWSFLASH
Bakers shops in Glasgow have been advised not to advertise Chelsea Buns, Sticky Buns, Currant Buns, Belgian Buns or Cinnamon Buns by the Police as it may cause offence to some customers.

[Iggy Pope]

Trouble with all this stuff is that it totally diverts attention away from the Morelos stamp, no one is talking about that now it's all about Irvine Welsh, where are the back pages on it now ??. Let's face it is there a more odious footballer on the planet , him and the rangers are well suited . !!


That’s exactly why the rangers fans, media etc are concentrating on that, to deflect from the morelos stamp


I made exactly the same point here yesterday. Because of the clever diversion, Morelos’s assault has disappeared like snow off a dyke.


:agree: Exactly! Rangers are laughing at all of this because the attention is off of the real villan. I've not checked up but assume there has been no notice of complaint served as yet?


Agreed.

If he doesn't come out with this stuff the focus is on Morelos and Rangers getting away with another decision.


Seems the focus is still on Morelos being charged after all though.

[uwxm07]

NEWSFLASH
Bakers shops in Glasgow have been advised not to advertise Chelsea Buns, Sticky Buns, Currant Buns, Belgian Buns or Cinnamon Buns by the Police as it may cause offence to some customers.

Apparently Valentine cards with the phrase you’re my “ Hun” are being pulled off the shelves as we speak