Nisbet, what is wrong with him...

[newmarket_hibbee]

I dont post often, but after watching the game yesterday, I have to ask this. His ball control is horrible, he is so slow, as ma father used to say. "Ive seen milk turn quicker". Some times it just looks like he cant be bothered. Tell me I'm wrong. Havent missed a game this year, watched them all on Hibs TV. He's going to have to do way better if he ever expects a Scotland call up....and dont let me get started on hoof it up the park Hanlon!!!!

[Brightside]

I dont post often, but after watching the game yesterday, I have to ask this. His ball control is horrible, he is so slow, as ma father used to say. "Ive seen milk turn quicker". Some times it just looks like he cant be bothered. Tell me I'm wrong. Havent missed a game this year, watched them all on Hibs TV. He's going to have to do way better if he ever expects a Scotland call up....and dont let me get started on hoof it up the park Hanlon!!!!

You are wrong.

[Jones28]

I dont post often, but after watching the game yesterday, I have to ask this. His ball control is horrible, he is so slow, as ma father used to say. "Ive seen milk turn quicker". Some times it just looks like he cant be bothered. Tell me I'm wrong. Havent missed a game this year, watched them all on Hibs TV. He's going to have to do way better if he ever expects a Scotland call up....and dont let me get started on hoof it up the park Hanlon!!!!

Nae bother :aok:

[04Sauzee]

You are wrong
And no need to get started

[Mr. Wonderful]

I dont post often, but after watching the game yesterday, I have to ask this. His ball control is horrible, he is so slow, as ma father used to say. "Ive seen milk turn quicker". Some times it just looks like he cant be bothered. Tell me I'm wrong. Havent missed a game this year, watched them all on Hibs TV. He's going to have to do way better if he ever expects a Scotland call up....and dont let me get started on hoof it up the park Hanlon!!!!

I think he's focusing too much on off the ball stuff and not enough on finding space or conserving energy for good moments.

[matty_f]

I don't think the system or tactics have suited him at all in the last few games. I don't think he's been effective at all, but I'm not sure I think he's responsible for that.

[Viva_Palmeiras]

I dont post often, but after watching the game yesterday, I have to ask this. His ball control is horrible, he is so slow, as ma father used to say. "Ive seen milk turn quicker". Some times it just looks like he cant be bothered. Tell me I'm wrong. Havent missed a game this year, watched them all on Hibs TV. He's going to have to do way better if he ever expects a Scotland call up....and dont let me get started on hoof it up the park Hanlon!!!!


“what’s wrong with him”? Lovely.

My father passed suddenly at the age of 19. It was in the middle of exams at uni. I managed to carry on and came within the top of the year. It was a form of coping but perhaps delayed the grieving process which I dunno if that ever really concludes.

Players are human beings not robots. Folks’ do have to “get on with it” but things can unconsciously take its toll. I’ve no idea if this is what’s happening with Kevin.

Whilst we may think they have a cushy number - when you strip most things away they are like us - have lives, families, Hang ups. We often put them on a pedestal and forget that.

I dunno about Boyles situation but (as others will know) and having been a first time father (and without my dad) I know the doubts that an creep in and the importance of a support network - you can worry about your kid and partner if they are struggling (could also include post natal depression that an linger) it can impact you and it’s not something you can foresee til it happens -hasn’t Paul just had or is expecting a kid? whilst I don’t think it’s the whole story could be part of if...

If folks have not suffered anxiety or depression you perhaps may not realise just the effect it can have on people - you can lose interest in the very things you love.

Hopefully a rest wil do all concerned the world of good.

[Peevemor]

I don't think the system or tactics have suited him at all in the last few games. I don't think he's been effective at all, but I'm not sure I think he's responsible for that.

For me there hasn''t beeen good enough service from a largely static midfield. Nisbet & Doidge (when he's playing) are both having to come too deep to look for the ball.

Cadden showed last night what he should give us going forward and along with Doig and a back on form Boyle with Irvine/Newell/Allan (delete as necessary) prodding away in the middle we should be able to stretch lesser defences than Rangers.

[Saint Hibee]

Kevin Nisbet is the least of our worries.

[craigmcfarlane]

He can't score goals when he's asked to collect the ball from midfield and when he doesn't get any service into the box.
Once that problem is sorted he'll start scoring again.

[SHODAN]

Striker who has scored 11 goals in 23 league games doesn't score occasionally.

Oh no.

[Carheenlea]

Scored a good goal the other week at Celtic Park - an opportune strike and in the right place at right time. Dried up a bit for him recently though but don’t have any concerns that he won’t be banging them in more regularly again very soon.

[B.H.F.C]

On one hand I think there has been a lack of service to him. On the other hand, others are managing to find themselves in goal scoring positions. It’s not as if we’ve not created chances in games, its just that we’re not putting the ball in the net. Very little have fallen his way, maybe there is a valid question about whether he’s getting himself in to enough good positions.

[lord bunberry]

He’s definitely struggled a bit recently, but I’d put that down to the whole team not performing very well. Not having Doidge alongside him hasn’t helped either.

[ahibby]

He’s definitely struggled a bit recently, but I’d put that down to the whole team not performing very well. Not having Doidge alongside him hasn’t helped either.

He gets crowded out in midfield, and in attack, he can't make space but would if defences were as daft as ours, (referring to Morelos being left on his own in front of goals last night), when do defences give Kevin that kind of luxury to score. His one touch football in the first half to set up Chris wide on the right was sublime and when you are crowded one touch catches the oppostion out. Rangers are masters at it because week in week out the face a double wall of defenders. As a top four club we get similar treatment now and could use that tactic more than we do. Last notable time we did that I remember apart from Kevin's one touch to set up Chris with a cross from the right was when Horgan scored a fantastic goal at Tynecastle, I think three players might have all had one touch each. Watching other clubs who have to break down in depth defences, say Liverpool, for example you notice that one touch football isn't the only answer but they are exceptional. One of our issues is having a fairly young side, and that's because of our model which is to bring good young players through with a view to them progressing to higher levels and us receiving funds to spend on. Porteous still young, Doig is young, Nisbet young at this level, Cadden experienced but under twenty four I think. MaGennis still young twenty onish? and so on. Simply looking at boring statistics you find that by increasing the mean average age of a team then you increase goals. The last time I remember us having a team which had every player over twenty four years of age was in the Sauzee, Latapy, Patellinen and they weren't too shabby finishing third and reaching a Scottish Cup final, scoring a lot in the process. I am sure though that when our new signings including MaGennis get up to speed they will pick up again. I don't think JR is the best at fathoming a temporary fix, last night with hindsight he maybe should have changed something at half time, because he might have suspected that Gerrard would find a way to break down our defence having the whole of the first have to suss it and halftime to brief them. Imagine coming out to find that Hibs had changed it and your plan now doesn't work. Maybe just my wishful thinking and colourful imagination and most likely to be because if Ryan hadn't had that momentary lapse Morelos wouldn't have been left in acres of space to pick his spot. However, the JR should know that Ryan is capable of doing that and perhaps bringing Hanlon on for Doig and moving Cadden to the left mid attack would have meant that Hanlon could have taken care of wide left allowing Porteous to stay more central but all that is of course easier said than done and I've gone of topic. Anyway I think the goals will come when the newbies bed in a wee bit longer and Magennis is up to speed.

[Steve20]

Nisbet is one of very few players worth keeping. He’s had a good first season here.

[Alfred E Newman]

It’s amazing Nisbet is joint top scorer in the league given the fact the service to the strikers is so poor.
He is certainly not our problem at the moment.

[JohnMcM]

I dont post often, but after watching the game yesterday, I have to ask this. His ball control is horrible, he is so slow, as ma father used to say. "Ive seen milk turn quicker". Some times it just looks like he cant be bothered. Tell me I'm wrong. Havent missed a game this year, watched them all on Hibs TV. He's going to have to do way better if he ever expects a Scotland call up....and dont let me get started on hoof it up the park Hanlon!!!!


It's not him. It's the role he's given in a tactical set up that is not making best use of him. In my humble opinion of course:greengrin

[jacomo]

^^ ahibby

Not copy / repeating your post but I think that’s spot on. Injuries and new players etc mean we’ve not really had a settled midfield all season and we’ve not developed patterns of play to unlock stubborn defences. I hope this is a focus in training. We need to quicker and incisive with the ball, one touch passing relies on players knowing where their team mates will be (and having the ability to execute it of course).

[Potty78]

Nothing wrong with him, the problem is the wide players and midfield ain't supplying any chances for him. Goals will come back that I have no doubt👍

[EVENTUALLY]

He spent a lot of energy dropping off the front to pick up Davis when Rangers were in possession in the 1st half.

He needs a service though which hopefully Scott Allan can help to deliver.

[James Stephen]

Cant believe the OP didnt title the threa "we need to talk about kevin" 😁

[john rossi]

Totally agree mate he offers zilch work rate non existent transfer talk gone to his head needs dropped problem is we are so short in the strikers department recruitment at ER is so unbalanced abundance of midfielders short central defence and only young Gullan up top.

[newmarket_hibbee]

...thanks to all who responded, just an opinion, thats what discussion boards are for.lets hope.....:flag:

[Max_Shah]

Interesting choice of words:


Zilch
Non-Existent
Problem
Dropped
Short
Wrong

Empirical data courtesy of OPTA:



Name
Goals

Assists

App
Goals per 90
Mins per Goal
Shots
Conversion
Accuracy


James Tavernier
11
9
26
0.43
210
41
27%
54%


Kevin Nisbet
11
2
23
0.50
181
42
26%
57%



Source: - https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/scottish-premiership/top-scorers

You are objectively wrong according to every empirical metric used by any football coach above the level of the Norhet Bar therefore your opinion is misguided and, as such, it should be disregarded.

[superfurryhibby]

...thanks to all who responded, just an opinion, thats what discussion boards are for.lets hope.....:flag:

Hey, yer no getting off that lightly, get back and face your audience:wink:

Nisbet has been poor recently, but he’s not slow and he does work hard. He’s better playing with a strike partner and that hasn’t always been the case. Give him something to feed off and he’ll do the business.

[john rossi]

Totally agree mate he offers zilch work rate non existent transfer talk gone to his head needs dropped problem is we are so short in the strikers department recruitment at ER is so unbalanced abundance of midfielders short central defence and only young Gullan up top.

[The Spaceman]

I dont post often, but after watching the game yesterday, I have to ask this. His ball control is horrible, he is so slow, as ma father used to say. "Ive seen milk turn quicker". Some times it just looks like he cant be bothered. Tell me I'm wrong. Havent missed a game this year, watched them all on Hibs TV. He's going to have to do way better if he ever expects a Scotland call up....and dont let me get started on hoof it up the park Hanlon!!!!

Yeah, I’d stick to not posting often.

[hhibs]

Very hopeful that Cadden, now looking match fit ,will make a difference in the performance of not just Nisbet but all forward play.

Just need to get our midfield fit and sort out our defense.

So not much to do ..............

[Alfred E Newman]

Yeah, I’d stick to not posting often.

When a post starts “I don’t post often”, they are usually best ignored.

[allmodcons]

Interesting choice of words:


Zilch
Non-Existent
Problem
Dropped
Short
Wrong

Empirical data courtesy of OPTA:



Name
Goals

Assists
App
Goals per 90
Mins per Goal
Shots
Conversion
Accuracy


James Tavernier
11
9
26
0.43
210
41
27%
54%


Kevin Nisbet
11
2
23
0.50
181
42
26%
57%



Source: - https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/scottish-premiership/top-scorers

You are objectively wrong according to every empirical metric used by any football coach above the level of the Norhet Bar therefore your opinion is misguided and, as such, it should be disregarded.

You should post more often. Quality response :wink:

[Jones28]

Interesting choice of words:


Zilch
Non-Existent
Problem
Dropped
Short
Wrong

Empirical data courtesy of OPTA:



Name
Goals

Assists

App
Goals per 90
Mins per Goal
Shots
Conversion
Accuracy


James Tavernier
11
9
26
0.43
210
41
27%
54%


Kevin Nisbet
11
2
23
0.50
181
42
26%
57%



Source: - https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/scottish-premiership/top-scorers

You are objectively wrong according to every empirical metric used by any football coach above the level of the Norhet Bar therefore your opinion is misguided and, as such, it should be disregarded.

The doc has spoken 👍🏻

[Tyler Durden]

Whilst not agreeing with the OP, I think Nisbet might benefit from a rest.

For me, Hanlon, Porteous, Newell, Boyle, Nisbet have all played a lot of games and all have had dips which is to be expected. Probably only Paul McGinn has been consistent every game.

I’d bench Nisbet on Saturday and would expect him to be back to form soon.

[Keith_M]

Totally agree mate he offers zilch work rate non existent transfer talk gone to his head needs dropped problem is we are so short in the strikers department recruitment at ER is so unbalanced abundance of midfielders short central defence and only young Gullan up top.


Totally agree mate he offers zilch work rate non existent transfer talk gone to his head needs dropped problem is we are so short in the strikers department recruitment at ER is so unbalanced abundance of midfielders short central defence and only young Gullan up top.


Worth repeating?

[Tyler Durden]

Hate to be one of those people who defend one player and then slag off another...

But what exactly did people see to be so positive about Cadden last night? I thought he was solid but certainly not any better than Drey Wright was at Ibrox. Cadden did well defensively but struggled to put in a decent cross all night IMO.

[The Wireless]

For anybody who has played football at any level they will understand you cannot play well every time you put a strip on. Certain environment’s suit and others don’t. The one constant factor though is you are only as good as your opponent allows you to be.Another factor is the preparation other sides put into video analysis. They identify weaknesses and look to stop any threat an opponent’s side possess. I wish some of our supporters would actually think about this before they come out with their constant negativity towards the players wearing a Hibs jersey.

[lord bunberry]

Yeah, I’d stick to not posting often.


When a post starts “I don’t post often”, they are usually best ignored.
It’s posts like these that stop new people posting on here, absolutely no need.

[Viva_Palmeiras]

Interesting choice of words:


Zilch
Non-Existent
Problem
Dropped
Short
Wrong

Empirical data courtesy of OPTA:



Name
Goals

Assists

App
Goals per 90
Mins per Goal
Shots
Conversion
Accuracy


James Tavernier
11
9
26
0.43
210
41
27%
54%


Kevin Nisbet
11
2
23
0.50
181
42
26%
57%



Source: - https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/scottish-premiership/top-scorers

You are objectively wrong according to every empirical metric used by any football coach above the level of the Norhet Bar therefore your opinion is misguided and, as such, it should be disregarded.

Is that you Calvin :)

[WeeRussell]

Kevin Nisbet is the least of our worries.

Unless of course the worry is holding on to him 👍

Cracking signing and will be back on the scoresheet very, very soon.

[Sammy7nil]

When a post starts “I don’t post often”, they are usually best ignored.


Yeah, I’d stick to not posting often.

And this is why peeps don’t post. Much nicer to just say you don’t agree and let everyone know why :aok::aok:

[newmarket_hibbee]

Interesting choice of words:


Zilch
Non-Existent
Problem
Dropped
Short
Wrong

Empirical data courtesy of OPTA:



Name
Goals

Assists

App
Goals per 90
Mins per Goal
Shots
Conversion
Accuracy


James Tavernier
11
9
26
0.43
210
41
27%
54%


Kevin Nisbet
11
2
23
0.50
181
42
26%
57%



Source: - https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/scottish-premiership/top-scorers

You are objectively wrong according to every empirical metric used by any football coach above the level of the Norhet Bar therefore your opinion is misguided and, as such, it should be disregarded.

mmm, well thank you for that, like I said, just an opinion, didnt expext to be scolded and sent to my room for not doing my homework!

[newmarket_hibbee]

Yeah, I’d stick to not posting often.

oh come on, tough crowd, if you read through the replies, I'm not the only one who thinks this....

[newmarket_hibbee]

It’s posts like these that stop new people posting on here, absolutely no need.

appreciate that mate, thank god I dint pick on Hanlon:wink: guess I should learn "posting etiket, etiquit, etticat.....ah forget it....."

[Radium]

I don’t think that he is a problem but wonder if fans not being in the ground limits our appreciation of what is going on outside the tv screen.


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[Peevemor]

I don’t think that he is a problem but wonder if fans not being in the ground limits our appreciation of what is going on outside the tv screen.


Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkAt one point during the 1st half on Wednesday night, Cliff & Tam said something about it being good that Doidge & Nisbet were staying/sitting so far up the park. It wasn't at all obvious watching on TV.

[green with envy]

I dont post often, but after watching the game yesterday, I have to ask this. His ball control is horrible, he is so slow, as ma father used to say. "Ive seen milk turn quicker". Some times it just looks like he cant be bothered. Tell me I'm wrong. Havent missed a game this year, watched them all on Hibs TV. He's going to have to do way better if he ever expects a Scotland call up....and dont let me get started on hoof it up the park Hanlon!!!!

I like this part of your post. Hope may it continue.

[MWHIBBIES]

I like this part of your post. Hope may it continue.
This is poor and you're not the only one. I disagree with the op on both Nisbet and Hanlon but there's no need to try to discourage them from posting or be rude to them.

[SlickShoes]

It's funny how people just don't think footballers are humans and should perform at the top of their potential every game regardless of any other circumstances.

Some bullet points:

He has to come deep all the time just to get the ball
the crosses in from the wings hit the first man almost every time
he is our best striker for years
his dad died recently and he is a human being with feelings

[Since452]

Probably a very obvious reason that he hasn't been himself lately

[Keith_M]

Some people's reactions to the OP are way over the top.


Nisbet has been a fantastic signing for us this season but, like many of his teammates, has gone off the boil lately.

I don't think he's played especially badly, but his form isn't quite as good as it was earlier in the season.

It's entirely possible that his morale has been affected by the sad loss of a member of his family recently, we just don't know.

[Mon Dieu4]

I think he's done all he could have with the service he's been getting, he's been having to drop deeper than I'd liked to have seen him, I struggle to think of any stick on chances we've created for him as of late

[Northernhibee]

mmm, well thank you for that, like I said, just an opinion, didnt expext to be scolded and sent to my room for not doing my homework!

Facts trump opinion, and you've just been given the facts. Hopefully that's completely changed your mind about Mr. Nisbet.

[chrisski33]

Thankfully I trust Nisbet doesnt read forums and see threads questioning whats up with him. The guy has lost his dad recently and at a young age is having to deal with it during tough times whilst still working where some would require time off work for grief. Hopefully the club will be giving the support he needs. Tbh hes probably not had two or three games where hes not been his best but hes still up there and find it strange someone would start a thread about whats up with him.

[Phil MaGlass]

seemingly 2mill bid in for him, Birmingham, 1 mill for Porteous

[newmarket_hibbee]

Facts trump opinion, and you've just been given the facts. Hopefully that's completely changed your mind about Mr. Nisbet.

My opinion might change when i see an improvement in his play - the end!

[Northernhibee]

My opinion might change when i see an improvement in his play - the end!

You've been shown through facts how well he's done this season, so your opinion is wrong. The end!

[Iggy Pope]

It’s posts like these that stop new people posting on here, absolutely no need.

He’s posted 577 times, hardly a newbie.

[Coach Jon]

I think he's done all he could have with the service he's been getting, he's been having to drop deeper than I'd liked to have seen him, I struggle to think of any stick on chances we've created for him as of late

Totally agree with these comments. Nisbet has been playing mainly in midfield, dont know if he is being told to do this or if its down to frustration at lack of service. This has affected his mindset and his style of play. Possibly overcoaching is coming into play here, needs to be told just concentrate on staying central especially in the box, dont try to overthink things, go back to basics.

[Sioux]

Totally agree with these comments. Nisbet has been playing mainly in midfield, dont know if he is being told to do this or if its down to frustration at lack of service. This has affected his mindset and his style of play. Possibly overcoaching is coming into play here, needs to be told just concentrate on staying central especially in the box, dont try to overthink things, go back to basics.

Ok coach!