Stanley Johnson interview re population control

[Hibbyradge]

Does anyone have a link to the interview in which he says that the UK population should be circa 15m?

I can't find it.

Thanks

[Jones28]

He said that? I wonder if he told his own profligate son the same thing?

[Nazz]

Does anyone have a link to the interview in which he says that the UK population should be circa 15m?

I can't find it.

Thanks

https://www.hibs.net/showthread.php?345024-Coronavirus&p=6430582&viewfull=1#post6430582

[Hibbyradge]

https://www.hibs.net/showthread.php?345024-Coronavirus&p=6430582&viewfull=1#post6430582

Thanks 👍

[cabbageandribs1875]

like father like son...

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iirc the faither had a book out a decade or so ago discussing world population

[Keith_M]

I don't know the details of what Johnson's Dad actually believes, so some of what he thinks may be unacceptable, but the continually increasing world population IS a major issue.


In 1950, South America's population was 113 million. Today it's 432 million

In 1950, China's population was 554 million. Today it's 1.45 billion

In 1970, India's population was 555 million. Today it's 1.4 billion.
(A scary thought that it caught up with China's increase, but 20 years quicker)

Africa's population is expected to treble by 2050.



There's already a massive strain on the world's resources, leading to destruction of the environment to cater for people's needs (and wants). I dread to think how much worse it's going to be for future generations.

[Renfrew_Hibby]

On a slightly different tangent, I understand that around the time of the act of union Scotlands population was around 2M and England's was roughly 3M. Fast forward to 2021, Scotland's population stands at 5.5M and England's is nudging 60M.
How did that happen?

[Pretty Boy]

I don't know the details of what Johnson's Dad actually believes, so some of what he thinks may be unacceptable, but the continually increasing world population IS a major issue.


In 1950, South America's population was 113 million. Today it's 432 million

In 1950, China's population was 554 million. Today it's 1.45 billion

In 1970, India's population was 555 million. Today it's 1.4 billion.
(A scary thought that it caught up with China's increase, but 20 years quicker)

Africa's population is expected to treble by 2150.



There's already a massive strain on the world's resources, leading to destruction of the environment to cater for people's needs (and wants). I dread to think how much worse it's going to be for future generations.

There is a school of thought that the global population will peak shortly after mid century and then start to decline due to access to contraception, increased educational standards in women, naturally declining fertility and other factors. It will then flatline at about 8.8 billion, arguably still hugely overpopulated but not as catastrophically so. Studies here:

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2020/07/200715150444.htm
https://www.thelancet.com/article/S0140-6736(20)30677-2/fulltext

It's also one of the reasons for the conspiracy theory around Bill Gates vaccination campaign. He stated that vaccination would help control population growth. The conspiracy nutters took this to mean that vaccines would kill off children. In reality it's still not uncommon practice in developing nations to have a 'spare child' due to the high rate of infant mortality. If vaccination eradicated or controlled certain illnesses and gave people some assurance their children would live into adulthood it would decrease the birth rate naturally.

[Just_Jimmy]

I don't know the details of what Johnson's Dad actually believes, so some of what he thinks may be unacceptable, but the continually increasing world population IS a major issue.


In 1950, South America's population was 113 million. Today it's 432 million

In 1950, China's population was 554 million. Today it's 1.45 billion

In 1970, India's population was 555 million. Today it's 1.4 billion.
(A scary thought that it caught up with China's increase, but 20 years quicker)

Africa's population is expected to treble by 2150.



There's already a massive strain on the world's resources, leading to destruction of the environment to cater for people's needs (and wants). I dread to think how much worse it's going to be for future generations.it's a massive issue and it feeds into almost every social and political issue.

social care
pensions
law and order
health care
employment
distribution of wealth
education
climate control

and many many many others.



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[Jones28]

I don't know the details of what Johnson's Dad actually believes, so some of what he thinks may be unacceptable, but the continually increasing world population IS a major issue.


In 1950, South America's population was 113 million. Today it's 432 million

In 1950, China's population was 554 million. Today it's 1.45 billion

In 1970, India's population was 555 million. Today it's 1.4 billion.
(A scary thought that it caught up with China's increase, but 20 years quicker)

Africa's population is expected to treble by 2150.



There's already a massive strain on the world's resources, leading to destruction of the environment to cater for people's needs (and wants). I dread to think how much worse it's going to be for future generations.

It's not totally bleak. The world’s population is set to shrink - a cause for concern or relief? - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W4qbqhihqUw)

We are set to see a decrease in the worlds population, Africa will grow massively but there will be net reductions.

[ballengeich]

I don't know the details of what Johnson's Dad actually believes, so some of what he thinks may be unacceptable, but the continually increasing world population IS a major issue.


In 1950, South America's population was 113 million. Today it's 432 million

In 1950, China's population was 554 million. Today it's 1.45 billion

In 1970, India's population was 555 million. Today it's 1.4 billion.
(A scary thought that it caught up with China's increase, but 20 years quicker)

Africa's population is expected to treble by 2150.



There's already a massive strain on the world's resources, leading to destruction of the environment to cater for people's needs (and wants). I dread to think how much worse it's going to be for future generations.
I agree. All main political parties and movements have the goal of an ever increasing level of consumption of resources per head regardless of numbers. I suspect that the current western lifestyle is ecologically unsustainable, far less extendable to less well off societies.

Environmental policies don't go much further than saying that once we find an alternative to fossil fuel power everything will be business as normal. We're only beginning to think about the effect of plastics in the environment, and who knows what else is bubbling away in the background.

[Keith_M]

There is a school of thought that the global population will peak shortly after mid century and then start to decline due to access to contraception, increased educational standards in women, naturally declining fertility and other factors. It will then flatline at about 8.8 billion, arguably still hugely overpopulated but not as catastrophically so. Studies here:
....


Thanks for that, PB (plus Jones28)

I have to say that I remain a little sceptical as to whether that happens in practice... particularly a 'levelling out' of wealth and education... but you never know.



p.s. I made a typo in my earlier post. Africa's population is forecast to treble by 2050, not 2150. Now updated

[Jones28]

Thanks for that, PB (plus Jones28)

I have to say that I remain a little sceptical as to whether that happens in practice... particularly a 'levelling out' of wealth and education... but you never know.



p.s. I made a typo in my earlier post. Africa's population is forecast to treble by 2050, not 2150. Now updated

If it's something you want to look at Hans Rosling is a statistician who has done heaps of TED talks and has loads of footage on YouTube. He talks about hitting "peak child birth", the point which has already been surpassed, and there would be steady decline of population thereafter.

[Mikey_1875]

Read an article recently saying almost the exact opposite that the fertility rate in a lot of developed countries (especially eastern asian countries) is on the decline and it would soon become unsustainable as there would not be enough of a working age population to sustain the economy and fund pensions for the ever increasing retirement population.

Certainly seems like it will come to a head some point in the future where we will have too many people on Earth for its resource capacity but it will mostly be people of retirement age and unable to sustain an economy. So I guess it would just be which one collapses first.

A morbid thought but I think if there was to be a conspiracy theory “cull” on the population then I am certain it would target OAPs before children or fertility were targeted.

[SHODAN]

I don't know the details of what Johnson's Dad actually believes, so some of what he thinks may be unacceptable, but the continually increasing world population IS a major issue.


In 1950, South America's population was 113 million. Today it's 432 million

In 1950, China's population was 554 million. Today it's 1.45 billion

In 1970, India's population was 555 million. Today it's 1.4 billion.
(A scary thought that it caught up with China's increase, but 20 years quicker)

Africa's population is expected to treble by 2050.



There's already a massive strain on the world's resources, leading to destruction of the environment to cater for people's needs (and wants). I dread to think how much worse it's going to be for future generations.

We have more than enough resources for everyone, the problem is that it's hoarded by the wealthy for profit.

[Jones28]

Read an article recently saying almost the exact opposite that the fertility rate in a lot of developed countries (especially eastern asian countries) is on the decline and it would soon become unsustainable as there would not be enough of a working age population to sustain the economy and fund pensions for the ever increasing retirement population.

Certainly seems like it will come to a head some point in the future where we will have too many people on Earth for its resource capacity but it will mostly be people of retirement age and unable to sustain an economy. So I guess it would just be which one collapses first.

A morbid thought but I think if there was to be a conspiracy theory “cull” on the population then I am certain it would target OAPs before children or fertility were targeted.

This scenario would, in my extremely unqualified position, give rise to a new economic movement of people from what will become over populated African nations (Nigeria is set to become home to something like 700,000,000 people in the next 50 years) to areas that are in desperate need of a labour force. The cycle continues onward only this time it is backed by science, green technology and a much lower, more sustainable, global population. No culling, no 1 child policies, no mass euthanasia, all happening organically from a standpoint of education and sustainability.

[Keith_M]

We have more than enough resources for everyone, the problem is that it's hoarded by the wealthy for profit.


In the 'developed' countries, vast swathes of countryside, including forests were removed from around the 18th century onward. There was no consideration shown for the effect on the environment and on animal life.

The same pattern is continually repeated as 'industrial farming' takes hold in ever more locations. The destruction of the Brazilian rain forests being the best known of these issues.

If the population continues to increase in the same manner as it has done for the last 100 years, the need to supply food and other essential, or even non essential, products will reap havoc on what little we have left.

One of the biggest dangers is currently China. They now have a massive population, massive wealth (though not necessarily equality), and are expanding into ever more locations in an economic takeover, e.g. in Africa.

[Geo_1875]

A man with six children whose son has at least six children will know all about over-population.

[Pretty Boy]

In the 'developed' countries, vast swathes of countryside, including forests were removed from around the 18th century onward. There was no consideration shown for the effect on the environment and on animal life.

The same pattern is continually repeated as 'industrial farming' takes hold in ever more locations. The destruction of the Brazilian rain forests being the best known of these issues.

If the population continues to increase in the same manner as it has done for the last 100 years, the need to supply food and other essential, or even non essential, products will reap havoc on what little we have left.

One of the biggest dangers is currently China. They now have a massive population, massive wealth (though not necessarily equality), and are expanding into ever more locations in an economic takeover, e.g. in Africa.

Not to mention the dangers presented from zoonotic diseases when humans encroach into places they really have no business being.

That will probably never cause a problem though.....

[Kato]

A man with six children whose son has at least six children will know all about over-population.He doesn't mean him or his pals, silly.

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[allmodcons]

A man with six children whose son has at least six children will know all about over-population.

It's his (and his son's) privilege. The rest of us can go **** off and die.

Everything that is wrong with society today. Absolutely fuming listening to that and so wish I hadn't clicked on the link.

[JimBHibees]

It's his (and his son's) privilege. The rest of us can go **** off and die.

Everything that is wrong with society today. Absolutely fuming listening to that and so wish I hadn't clicked on the link.

That is exactly it. Over privileged with very dangerous opinions. Unfortunately his son leads the country kind of.

[Keith_M]

A man with six children whose son has at least six children will know all about over-population.


I'm one of five children and both my mother and father were from families with five children.... so I'm keeping well out of this.

:wink: