Bartley

[Mr. Wonderful]

The leader we need. Collosal for livi

[S4uzee]

Exactly what we’re missing. Another negative from the Heckingbottom era

[Stuart93]

Crazy we let him go and replaced him with mark milligan

A real leader.

Efe ambrose as well, would take in a heartbeat over any of CBs

[tamig]

Bartley was awful with us in his final 18 months. He’s had a new lease of life there but showed nothing in his final months at ER that he was worth keeping. Nice to see him doing well though.

[MWHIBBIES]

Bartley didn't lead anything for Hibs. Offered basically nothing in his last 18 months here. Looks great in a hoofball side but Marv is miles from the answer for Hibs. Can you actually imagine us trying to move the ball forward with him in there...

Bizarre folk still go on about us missing him. Its Mcgeouch and McGinn we miss.

[Stuart93]

Bartley didn't lead anything for Hibs. Offered basically nothing in his last 18 months here. Looks great in a hoofball side but Marv is miles from the answer for Hibs. Can you actually imagine us trying to move the ball forward with him in there...

Bizarre folk still go on about us missing him. Its Mcgeouch and McGinn we miss.

Looks great in a hoofball team? He’d look fantastic for us then

[500miles]

Like Gogic, Marv isn't the man you look to when you're expected to have a lot of the ball. We already play with a defensive mid too often. If you're a hibs midfielder you must add something going forward and in possession.

These guys are good players, but specialists for a team like us.

[Hibee Mac]

Looks great in a hoofball team? He’d look fantastic for us then[emoji23] so true. That's either or main tactic or a safety blanket the players fall back into under the slightest bit of pressure

[neil7908]

Efe is the bigger miss. He'd cost us a goal or two a season but save us 6-7. Plus his distribution with the ball was vital for us avoiding the hoof we see too often now.

[GreenCastle]

Bartley is a better player than Gogic.

Bartley is a better leader than 95% of our squad.

Hibs should never have left the club - especially for Derbies.

Thread over.

[Onceinawhile]

I'd rather have efe back than marv.

[660]

Bartley was awful with us in his final 18 months. He’s had a new lease of life there but showed nothing in his final months at ER that he was worth keeping. Nice to see him doing well though.

This

[MWHIBBIES]

Looks great in a hoofball team? He’d look fantastic for us then

We are not a hoofball team, so no, I don't think he would.

[Smartie]

I think we miss him as much off the pitch as we do on it.

So many of our players lack character or some sort of X factor you can't define.

Bartley had charisma, confidence, swagger and heart for a battle.

It's fine saying the other players who left were the ones we missed and a reasonable argument could be made that we needed better than Bartley but it can't really be argued that at any point since we left have we had someone as good as him.

I think we've missed him since he left and I don't think it's just a coincidence that Livi punch way above their weight with him in the team and playing every week.

He deserved to play more for us before he left.

As thing stand Livi are a far superior side to us and he's a big part of their team. It would be a bold call to make to think we'll stay ahead of them this season as they're playing well and we're dropping like a stone.

[Stuart93]

We are not a hoofball team, so no, I don't think he would.

Are we not? What do you call our style of play where one of our CH’s shell it up to the forward on almost every occasion?

[MWHIBBIES]

Are we not? What do you call our style of play where one of our CH’s shell it up to the forward on almost every occasion?
They don't, though. The majority of passes our defenders make are on the ground.

[Jdawg]

Are we not? What do you call our style of play where one of our CH’s shell it up to the forward on almost every occasion?

Spot on. It’s a boot upfield or Porteous trying the same 40 yard diagonal 10 times a match (which teams have totally sussed out).

[allmodcons]

Are we not? What do you call our style of play where one of our CH’s shell it up to the forward on almost every occasion?

Do you ever have anything positive to say about the Club you follow?

[Stuart93]

Do you ever have anything positive to say about the Club you follow?

Not when there isn’t much to be positive about just now

I’ll be more than positive when everything’s going well

Is there anything wrong with what I’ve said either? It’s exactly what I’ve been watching us do for the majority of the season

[Unseen work]

Oh here we go.

All I read on here when Bartley was signed for us was that he wasn’t good enough on the ball, too slow and was only required in about 20% of games. Not needed in most games when we have the majority
of the ball etc.

Bartley was good today and has been very good for Livingston, he suits them perfectly. That doesn’t mean we need or miss him.

All the players in our team could go to teams in the league and look good for them as they’ll have a consistent run, feel for confident as they’ll probably be one of the better players, feel more important and have less expectations on them from the fans.

Bartley, Oli Shaw etc

It will be the same when Mallan leaves. He will get a good consistent run in his best
position and feel appreciated. He will score and assist a lot and people will be questioning why we let him go.

Newell and Irvine are far better players than him.

[allmodcons]

Not when there isn’t much to be positive about just now

I’ll be more than positive when everything’s going well

Is there anything wrong with what I’ve said either? It’s exactly what I’ve been watching us do for the majority of the season

A simple 'no' would have been sufficient.

[Stuart93]

A simple 'no' would have been sufficient.

It isn’t as simple as a “no” answer though is it. You’ve asked me if I’m ever positive and I’ve told I am when there’s a reason to be.

If you’re not going to be happy with the answer don’t ask the question 👍🏼

[h1bs4life]

Bartley was decent in the games that turned into battles like Derby games but he had players around him who would also be up for the fight.
He has had his time here the biggest mistake was not having replaced him and a few others with similar type of character.
While we might have signed what appears to be decent players there is no one you can rely when it needs some dig and fight.

[Saint Hibee]

They don't, though. The majority of passes our defenders make are on the ground.

They only pass it on the ground when they’re passing it sideways or backwards. Pretty much every forward pass is a hoof, which as we saw last night, doesn’t really work against competent centre-halves.

[Saint Hibee]

Bartley was awful with us in his final 18 months. He’s had a new lease of life there but showed nothing in his final months at ER that he was worth keeping. Nice to see him doing well though.

I’m not say we should get him back, but he was far from “awful” in his last 18 months with us.

[Lancs Harp]

Loved Marv just wish he had scored one just one goal for us.

[Turkish Green]

We started the season well due to the opposition teams not knowing how Hibs would play under Ross. Now we are sussed and Bartley and Ambrose are missed.

Come the end of the season, I suspect Livi will finish above us.

[howdenthehibby]

I too would rather have Efe Ambrose, very good centre back and s great influence on Porteous unlike Hanlon

[Libby Hibby]

Bartley is a better player than Gogic.

Bartley is a better leader than 95% of our squad.

Hibs should never have left the club - especially for Derbies.

Thread over.

100% agree.

[MWHIBBIES]

They only pass it on the ground when they’re passing it sideways or backwards. Pretty much every forward pass is a hoof, which as we saw last night, doesn’t really work against competent centre-halves.

Not true either. Plenty of passes into the feet midfielders.

[Brightside]

Players are always much better when they leave. He was bang average in the majority of games for us, and certainly wasn’t a leader.

[Since452]

Bartley wouldn't make the slightest bit of difference in this Hibs side.

[Lancs Harp]

Players are always much better when they leave. He was bang average in the majority of games for us, and certainly wasn’t a leader.

Each to their own fella but cant agree with that at all. He broke opposition attacks up better than anyone in the last 5 or 6 seasons, was the main reason for me we got the better of Hearts for a few seasons. And has been stated above miles better IMO than Gogic trying to do the same job now. Belting goal by Gogic last week though :wink:

[Itsnoteasy]

We are not a hoofball team, so no, I don't think he would.

Its past panto season.

Oh yes we are.

[Pretty Boy]

I think Bartley was part of a pool of players who just clicked and got us. Guys like him, Fontaine and McGinn with no real connection to us totally bought into the club. The likes of Cummings had a swagger and a chip on his shoulder about how Hearts treated him. They were complimented by guys like McGregor and Hanlon who are Hibs through and through and there was a pretty talented supporting cast with McGeouch, Ambrose et al.

It looked like a team that was fun to be a part of and when you see the interviews of the Time For Heroes documentary it was a team that trusted each other as teammates.

I'm not sure the current side really has a personality on display on or off the park. A lot of the fun things and camaraderie that linked fans and players from that era is missing at the moment (obviously the current situation explains part of that but it predates covid). I felt like I knew McGinn, McGeouch and Bartley; I'm not sure I can say the same about Newell and Hallberg (both of whom have been 2 of our better performers this years so that's not a cheap dig).

Bringing Bartley back would be a pretty terrible idea. However I think we could do with a couple of players in the mould of Bartley and Fontaine. Guys who click with the fans and guys who give the impression playing for Hibs is more than just a job for them.

[Anthony Soprano]

Bartley was awful with us in his final 18 months. He’s had a new lease of life there but showed nothing in his final months at ER that he was worth keeping. Nice to see him doing well though.

Yeah he was beginning to look past it and although it looks a bad decision now most agreed it was the right decision at the time. We definitely shouldn't of sold him and Milligan though as that left a massive gap in our midfield.

[rcarter1]

I think Bartley was part of a pool of players who just clicked and got us. Guys like him, Fontaine and McGinn with no real connection to us totally bought into the club. The likes of Cummings had a swagger and a chip on his shoulder about how Hearts treated him. They were complimented by guys like McGregor and Hanlon who are Hibs through and through and there was a pretty talented supporting cast with McGeouch, Ambrose et al.

It looked like a team that was fun to be a part of and when you see the interviews of the Time For Heroes documentary it was a team that trusted each other as teammates.

I'm not sure the current side really has a personality on display on or off the park. A lot of the fun things and camaraderie that linked fans and players from that era is missing at the moment (obviously the current situation explains part of that but it predates covid). I felt like I knew McGinn, McGeouch and Bartley; I'm not sure I can say the same about Newell and Hallberg (both of whom have been 2 of our better performers this years so that's not a cheap dig).

Bringing Bartley back would be a pretty terrible idea. However I think we could do with a couple of players in the mould of Bartley and Fontaine. Guys who click with the fans and guys who give the impression playing for Hibs is more than just a job for them.

Agree with a lot of this; something lacking in the current team from a personality perspective (not individuals but the team), and possibly some career ladder climbers in there who can switch off defeats as no big deal. Livingston have captured a team spirit and easy to see how Bartley fits into that. He looked his best when the whole team were up for it.

Jack Ross can become a really good manager if he can crack this. If it happens soon then we should get 4th and maybe take advantage if Aberdeen slip a bit. Cant remember if there is a Scottish Cup this season, but if so, it woiuld be a good time to get some togetherness in the squad.

[HibeeMackenzie]

Crazy we let him go and replaced him with mark milligan

A real leader.

Efe ambrose as well, would take in a heartbeat over any of CBs

Well we didn’t, we released him and Milligan at the same time because heckingbottom wanted midfielders not “defensive midfielders” leaving us completely spineless

[hibbysam]

One minute we want rid of the ‘old guard’ the next we’re trying to reunite Cummings, Bartley, Efe (who ****ed off at the first chance), Brown, Stubbs. As well going the whole way and getting Fyvie, Keatings and Stokes tae.

[tamig]

Yeah he was beginning to look past it and although it looks a bad decision now most agreed it was the right decision at the time. We definitely shouldn't of sold him and Milligan though as that left a massive gap in our midfield.

Exactly. That was madness on Heck’s part - that neither of them were replaced. But Marv is yesterday’s man so far as Hibs is concerned. Hopefully he’ll return in some other capacity in the future.

[allmodcons]

It isn’t as simple as a “no” answer though is it. You’ve asked me if I’m ever positive and I’ve told I am when there’s a reason to be.

If you’re not going to be happy with the answer don’t ask the question 👍🏼

That's not how a rhetorical question works.

[A Hi-Bee]

Efe was the one we really should have brought back, no matter what he wanted to do for training he is a big miss in that porous defence that we have. We should have gifted him a box of Cuban Cigars after every game.

[Since452]

Bartley wanted to leave. Sure we gave him every opportunity to stay. Could be wrong.

[Lancs Harp]

Bartley wanted to leave. Sure we gave him every opportunity to stay. Could be wrong.

He wasnt getting enough game time and Hecky made it clear that wouldnt change. He wasnt getting any younger and wanted to be on the pitch, cant blame him for that. We can all argue whether he should have got more game time at Hibs but Hecky plus lack of game time is why Marv left.

[Swedish hibee]

I liked Marvin, but it was his time to go. But Efe, he was the one I wish who stayed.

[zero-seven]

Exactly what we’re missing. Another negative from the Heckingbottom era
We need a ball winner who reads the game and can turn defence into attack

Pat Stanton
Mcginley
Collins etc

we just don’t have or produce these types anymore

[Winston Ingram]

Bartley is a better player than Gogic.

Bartley is a better leader than 95% of our squad.

Hibs should never have left the club - especially for Derbies.

Thread over.

This. Used to infuriate me when Lennon left him out of derbies

[lucky]

Bartley’s time at Hibs has gone bringing him back would be a mistake. He talks very well and appears to be a future coach or manager so maybe one day he might return but certainly not as a player.

[Carheenlea]

Bartley was effective in a midfield where he had quality around him (and who all complimented each other in certain games).

Would add little to our midfield as it currently stands.

[flash]

Bartley was effective in a midfield where he had quality around him (and who all complimented each other in certain games).

Would add little to our midfield as it currently stands.

We have lots of talented midfielders, it's a balance we are missing.

[DH1875]

Bartley wouldn't make the slightest bit of difference in this Hibs side.

This :agree:. He is a good player and would fit into the squad but I though the point was for us to be getting better players in to improve the squad.
A sideways step instead of a forward one.

[California-Hibs]

Said it many times. Ambrose in particular was fantastic for us and both him and Bartley should still both be Hibs players

[Shrekko]

Bartley was awful with us in his final 18 months. He’s had a new lease of life there but showed nothing in his final months at ER that he was worth keeping. Nice to see him doing well though.

I wouldn’t say ‘awful’ by any means but agree we weren’t seeing the best of him which would probably have us believing that his best days were past because of his age.

I think the real problem though was that he wasn’t getting a consistent run of games and I always noticed with him that he needed 2/3 games to get himself in a groove.

Overall I can see why he was let go but it’s been shown to be 100 percent a mistake. He could definitely be doing a great job in this current team and pretty sure Jack Ross would have kept him and possibly Milligan too.

[Greenbeard]

This :agree:. He is a good player and would fit into the squad but I though the point was for us to be getting better players in to improve the squad.
A sideways step instead of a forward one.
Gogic is a better spoiler than the Bartley we saw in his last season with us. Both as ***** as the other with their distribution, but that is not what they are selected for.

[stantonhibby]

This. Used to infuriate me when Lennon left him out of derbies

I thought it was the other way round tbh.....rarely played him apart from derbies.....sure he even made him Capt at Tynecastle once?