Here we go again

[ArmadaleHibs]

Now before I start my rant and probably getting attacked by all corners I would like to start by saying I’m not in any way trying to defend the manager, the players or last nights result. I’m trying to put a little bit of perspective and rational thought into where we are as a team, supporters and as a club.

Firstly I get that it’s easy to start a dozen threads wanting the manager sacked after a terrible result and performance, and to be fair there has been several of those terrible performances of late. We have sacked many managers in recent years with the exact same results, new guy comes in, pleases us for a while, then a string of poor results or in some cases a derby defeat and we want them hung. The fact is that constantly sacking and re-hiring is why we have never progressed as a club in 30+ years. We’re stuck in the same wheel we’ve been in for what feels like ever. It was only 5/6 weeks ago that some tabloids/press had our manager as favourites for the Celtic job. Majority our fans were saying beat it he’s ours and within a few games we want rid. I think we have brought in some terrific footballers to the club and I agree with most that the management may not be using these players tactically in the most progressive way but I also believe that the players we have need to step up and be counted for the manager.

The players: last nights game could have once again been put to bed within the first 25 minutes if the players had taken the chances that fell to them. 3 goals up in that period would have certainly changed the outcome. This has happened now on several occasions this season and I don’t think we should attack JR as much as we do because the players have had these games well within their grasp and let us fans and the management down. You can lead a horse to water is an old saying. JR has put out strong teams that should in all honesty play some of the dross in our league of the park. These players have turned many a clear win into a defeat. I don’t know why time after time our players do this, regardless of the manager. It’s been the hibs way for years. Another sacking and re-hiring will not change this, it never has. All it does is keep the broken wheel spinning.

Where do we go now, I don’t really know, but I’m not ready to throw the towel in yet with or manager or the players even though it can be more than frustrating at times. Our players are better than what they are giving and they need to step up and be counted and show their manager and their fans a bit more passion and a want to be at the club. Sacking managers is costly for the club as new managers come in at a cost and get rid of players and bring in new ones at a cost. It’s not sustainable at the moment.

I don’t want or think JR should be sacked at this time

GGTTH

[leith lynx]

Now before I start my rant and probably getting attacked by all corners I would like to start by saying I’m not in any way trying to defend the manager, the players or last nights result. I’m trying to put a little bit of perspective and rational thought into where we are as a team, supporters and as a club.

Firstly I get that it’s easy to start a dozen threads wanting the manager sacked after a terrible result and performance, and to be fair there has been several of those terrible performances of late. We have sacked many managers in recent years with the exact same results, new guy comes in, pleases us for a while, then a string of poor results or in some cases a derby defeat and we want them hung. The fact is that constantly sacking and re-hiring is why we have never progressed as a club in 30+ years. We’re stuck in the same wheel we’ve been in for what feels like ever. It was only 5/6 weeks ago that some tabloids/press had our manager as favourites for the Celtic job. Majority our fans were saying beat it he’s ours and within a few games we want rid. I think we have brought in some terrific footballers to the club and I agree with most that the management may not be using these players tactically in the most progressive way but I also believe that the players we have need to step up and be counted for the manager.

The players: last nights game could have once again been put to bed within the first 25 minutes if the players had taken the chances that fell to them. 3 goals up in that period would have certainly changed the outcome. This has happened now on several occasions this season and I don’t think we should attack JR as much as we do because the players have had these games well within their grasp and let us fans and the management down. You can lead a horse to water is an old saying. JR has put out strong teams that should in all honesty play some of the dross in our league of the park. These players have turned many a clear win into a defeat. I don’t know why time after time our players do this, regardless of the manager. It’s been the hibs way for years. Another sacking and re-hiring will not change this, it never has. All it does is keep the broken wheel spinning.

Where do we go now, I don’t really know, but I’m not ready to throw the towel in yet with or manager or the players even though it can be more than frustrating at times. Our players are better than what they are giving and they need to step up and be counted and show their manager and their fans a bit more passion and a want to be at the club. Sacking managers is costly for the club as new managers come in at a cost and get rid of players and bring in new ones at a cost. It’s not sustainable at the moment.

I don’t want or think JR should be sacked at this time

GGTTH
Totally agree, we really do need a leader on the pitch, let's try finding one before yet another new manager.

[Ronniekirk]

Ross isn’t going to be sacked we simply can’t afford to do that and he has just brought in new players and may bring in more before the window ends with some moving out
However I think some fans are fed up with the line about we could of been a few goals up before they scored
The fact is we have not been scoring freely of late Teams know that so they defend in numbers
Ross has t found a way to utilise the team to get round that Thier third goal epitomised what we should be doing
The defence was outdone by two crosses into the box great finishes but the two centre backs didn’t deal with the ball s in
The second half was a disaster and Ross panicked and the players didn’t respond to changes as we were then run ragged and looked deflated
The first half we have seen so many times and it’s not improved
The second was sheer capitulation
How we now respond v Rangers is anyone’s guess
But am not sure now Ross knows how to utilise the players the get the best out them
The second half was more painful than Hearts game
We struggled to come back positively from thst result so am not expecting much in next few games
We are left hoping Livi dont keep up Thier good form or we will soon be fifth
Ross now has to respond to this and show he can now get us back to winning ways
He was Angry with the players and rightly so
Jackson Irvine when match fit showed he will be an asset but other clubs will start to monitor him and he looked she’ll shocked at the end
Another chance of reaching a final blown
It’s now down to Riss snd the Olayers to get it sorted


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[147lothian]

Don't get me wrong, I am hurting like everyone else from yesterday, but that said, I agree with the OP you can't make wholesale changes on the basis of yesterdays performance. The positive that I took from the game was Jackson Irvine's dominant performance in midfield and Scott Allan coming on, the games against Ross County and Livi, we were over ran in midfield IMO this wont happen with these 2 in the team.

As long as Ryan learn's from yesterday and gets back to basics, there is no reason why we can't have a really good end to the season, we have to show a little patience and make judgements at the end of the season not after we have a set back

[BlackSheep]

Now before I start my rant and probably getting attacked by all corners I would like to start by saying I’m not in any way trying to defend the manager, the players or last nights result. I’m trying to put a little bit of perspective and rational thought into where we are as a team, supporters and as a club.

Firstly I get that it’s easy to start a dozen threads wanting the manager sacked after a terrible result and performance, and to be fair there has been several of those terrible performances of late. We have sacked many managers in recent years with the exact same results, new guy comes in, pleases us for a while, then a string of poor results or in some cases a derby defeat and we want them hung. The fact is that constantly sacking and re-hiring is why we have never progressed as a club in 30+ years. We’re stuck in the same wheel we’ve been in for what feels like ever. It was only 5/6 weeks ago that some tabloids/press had our manager as favourites for the Celtic job. Majority our fans were saying beat it he’s ours and within a few games we want rid. I think we have brought in some terrific footballers to the club and I agree with most that the management may not be using these players tactically in the most progressive way but I also believe that the players we have need to step up and be counted for the manager.

The players: last nights game could have once again been put to bed within the first 25 minutes if the players had taken the chances that fell to them. 3 goals up in that period would have certainly changed the outcome. This has happened now on several occasions this season and I don’t think we should attack JR as much as we do because the players have had these games well within their grasp and let us fans and the management down. You can lead a horse to water is an old saying. JR has put out strong teams that should in all honesty play some of the dross in our league of the park. These players have turned many a clear win into a defeat. I don’t know why time after time our players do this, regardless of the manager. It’s been the hibs way for years. Another sacking and re-hiring will not change this, it never has. All it does is keep the broken wheel spinning.

Where do we go now, I don’t really know, but I’m not ready to throw the towel in yet with or manager or the players even though it can be more than frustrating at times. Our players are better than what they are giving and they need to step up and be counted and show their manager and their fans a bit more passion and a want to be at the club. Sacking managers is costly for the club as new managers come in at a cost and get rid of players and bring in new ones at a cost. It’s not sustainable at the moment.

I don’t want or think JR should be sacked at this time

GGTTH

Great post.

And he won’t go, Ron Gordon didn’t promise this much progress so soon, he has bought a project... and I think Jack Ross is the correct man for a long term project.... sack him after a spell of bad results, that leaves us sitting 4th in the league and having made it to another semi final... would be foolish. If we were fighting relegation and had been knocked out in the group stages then that’s a different story.

[Stuart93]

Totally agree, we really do need a leader on the pitch, let's try finding one before yet another new manager.

He’s now had three windows to sign a leader, had a lot of money chucked in his direction from the owner and he’s still not done it.

[Stuart93]

Great post.

And he won’t go, Ron Gordon didn’t promise this much progress so soon, he has bought a project... and I think Jack Ross is the correct man for a long term project.... sack him after a spell of bad results, that leaves us sitting 4th in the league and having made it to another semi final... would be foolish. If we were fighting relegation and had been knocked out in the group stages then that’s a different story.

I’m sick of seeing getting to last nights semi as some kind of achievement. Look at our route to get there?

We’ve just been ****ing pumped by st J in a semi final. It’s absolutely no achievement getting there.

[MWHIBBIES]

Rome wasn't built in a day. Ross should be given till end of season at very least.

Its just the world we live in now. Patience has been diminished by technology and social media coverts molehills into mountains.

Ross isn't perfect. No manager hibs are going to get is. Last night was rough but we'll go again.

[B.H.F.C]

Great post.

And he won’t go, Ron Gordon didn’t promise this much progress so soon, he has bought a project... and I think Jack Ross is the correct man for a long term project.... sack him after a spell of bad results, that leaves us sitting 4th in the league and having made it to another semi final... would be foolish. If we were fighting relegation and had been knocked out in the group stages then that’s a different story.

I agree he won’t be sacked. But even if Ross is here for the long term he’s not going to get the opportunities for success he’s had this year.

Even when results were going well at the start of the season people were asking questions. It always seemed quite obvious that we couldn’t sustain the results with the way we were playing. Gets you by in some games, if we score first, but I have no idea what kind of team he’s trying to build.

[Allez Hibs]

First Premiership side we play and boom we are out. Did we beat any Premiership sides to reach Scottish Cup Semi? Jack Ross is out his depth.

[gbhibby]

The problem with the team is that they do not work hard enough to get the ball back when we do not have the ball. The number of times we have our main attacker being frustrated and coming back into midfield to try and win the ball.
There seems to be no plan B if we go behind in a game. We are too predictable to play against. Look how hard The Rangers work when they do not have the ball that is why they are top of the league the work ethic of the team needs to change. I have been to so many semi finals where we are expected to romp it so you get used to what happened yesterday.

[MWHIBBIES]

I agree he won’t be sacked. But even if Ross is here for the long term he’s not going to get the opportunities for success he’s had this year.

Even when results were going well at the start of the season people were asking questions. It always seemed quite obvious that we couldn’t sustain the results with the way we were playing. Gets you by in some games, if we score first, but I have no idea what kind of team he’s trying to build.

You have no idea if he'll get another chance at success. Stubbs lost to county and then beat rangers.

[brianmc]

The problem with the team is that they do not work hard enough to get the ball back when we do not have the ball. The number of times we have our main attacker being frustrated and coming back into midfield to try and win the ball.
There seems to be no plan B if we go behind in a game. We are too predictable to play against. Look how hard The Rangers work when they do not have the ball that is why they are top of the league the work ethic of the team needs to change. I have been to so many semi finals where we are expected to romp it so you get used to what happened yesterday.

The problem with the team is they're a perfect reflection of the manager. Dull, uninspiring and just not good enough.

[theonlywayisup]

First Premiership side we play and boom we are out. Did we beat any Premiership sides to reach Scottish Cup Semi? Jack Ross is out his depth.

So, in your opinion, who should be appointed that would not be "out of his depth".

[Nicho87]

Jack Ross is ticking all the right boxes to force Gordon to make a change imo.
Style of play
Big results
Next big one will be the inevitable drop in season ticket, Ross fault or not that’s what will spark a change.

But yes, Ross out for me. Passionless.

[B.H.F.C]

You have no idea if he'll get another chance at success. Stubbs lost to county and then beat rangers.

We won’t be in the last four of a cup competition minus both the big two again. We won’t get as good an opportunity to win a trophy.

[Stuart93]

So, in your opinion, who should be appointed that would not be "out of his depth".

That’s not our job though. It’s them at the club who’re paid to do so.

[Mikey_1875]

I’m sick of seeing getting to last nights semi as some kind of achievement. Look at our route to get there?

We’ve just been ****ing pumped by st J in a semi final. It’s absolutely no achievement getting there.

I think thats a fair point, yesterday was the first time we have faced a premier league opponent in a cup competition under Ross and while the phrase “you can only beat whats in front of you” is true: is it really something for him to be majorly applauded for considering the opposition?

With regards to the OP i agree the players take a large if not equal share of the blame for yesterday. Ross is also culpable for a lot of the failings yesterday and while it is seen as a positive that we have flexibility to change formations during matches etc I think it is also evidence that he doesn’t know our best XI or system. Im concerned also about the leadership and motivation both on the park and in management. I can’t escape from the fact that when we concede the first goal the majority of the time thats the game done.

With us sitting in 4th its probably hard to make a concrete case for Ross to go in the eyes of the board. Im not even sure if I want him gone. Covid hasn’t helped but if we continue with the no thrills, steady eddy stuff that appears to have gathered under Ross then the fans will drift away and we may find it hard to get them back.

You mention that when the rumours with JR going to Celtic appeared that fans told them to beat it and that he was ours. My main memory of it was that a lot of people wouldn’t have gave a toss either way if he stayed or went, and thats hardly a healthy situation.

[Smartie]

Ross is a lucky boy that there are no fans in the ground right now as the heat he should be feeling is absolutely nothing like the heat he will be feeling.

A few angry posts on a message board is not as visceral as noise and anger in a stadium or a drop off in attendance.

As a rule, I hate sacking managers. It was quite funny seeing Alex Miller on the telly a few weeks ago because he remains the only Hibs manager I’ve ever demonstrated or chanted that I wanted removed from position. All the others I’ve accepted needed to go after the event but wasn’t actually demanding their removal.

And that’s where I find myself with Ross. I’m unlikely to find myself howling on a plaza any time soon or throwing any fences. But if I found out tomorrow he was gone I wouldn’t be upset.

The calm demeanour doesn’t bother me - in fact, I quite like that over windmilling arms and pointless expletive laden rants. It’s the nuts and bolts of football I have an issue with - dull football, tactical weakness (at times), peculiar decision making, no real feeling that we’re building something in spite of the fact that he’s been quite handsomely backed.

Deep down there is the “I reckon someone could get more out of this group of players” feeling that is probably the most damning.

[Andy74]

We won’t be in the last four of a cup competition minus both the big two again. We won’t get as good an opportunity to win a trophy.

That’s a bit dramatic.

There’s 2 trophies every year and pretty much anything can happen.

To say that in the entire future of football there won’t be another set of semi finals without the Old Firm is just stupid.

We also knew playing a non Old Firm team was going to be difficult too.

Old Firm teams also lose cup games. We beat one of them 5 years ago. After Ross County and Falkirk games I wasn’t sitting thinking that team was going to be winning the game.

It is disappointing that we didn’t take the chances in the semi this year but we are building a team just now that will be in more of them. To say we are now done forever is just ridiculous.

[Is It On....]

Now before I start my rant and probably getting attacked by all corners I would like to start by saying I’m not in any way trying to defend the manager, the players or last nights result. I’m trying to put a little bit of perspective and rational thought into where we are as a team, supporters and as a club.

Firstly I get that it’s easy to start a dozen threads wanting the manager sacked after a terrible result and performance, and to be fair there has been several of those terrible performances of late. We have sacked many managers in recent years with the exact same results, new guy comes in, pleases us for a while, then a string of poor results or in some cases a derby defeat and we want them hung. The fact is that constantly sacking and re-hiring is why we have never progressed as a club in 30+ years. We’re stuck in the same wheel we’ve been in for what feels like ever. It was only 5/6 weeks ago that some tabloids/press had our manager as favourites for the Celtic job. Majority our fans were saying beat it he’s ours and within a few games we want rid. I think we have brought in some terrific footballers to the club and I agree with most that the management may not be using these players tactically in the most progressive way but I also believe that the players we have need to step up and be counted for the manager.

The players: last nights game could have once again been put to bed within the first 25 minutes if the players had taken the chances that fell to them. 3 goals up in that period would have certainly changed the outcome. This has happened now on several occasions this season and I don’t think we should attack JR as much as we do because the players have had these games well within their grasp and let us fans and the management down. You can lead a horse to water is an old saying. JR has put out strong teams that should in all honesty play some of the dross in our league of the park. These players have turned many a clear win into a defeat. I don’t know why time after time our players do this, regardless of the manager. It’s been the hibs way for years. Another sacking and re-hiring will not change this, it never has. All it does is keep the broken wheel spinning.

Where do we go now, I don’t really know, but I’m not ready to throw the towel in yet with or manager or the players even though it can be more than frustrating at times. Our players are better than what they are giving and they need to step up and be counted and show their manager and their fans a bit more passion and a want to be at the club. Sacking managers is costly for the club as new managers come in at a cost and get rid of players and bring in new ones at a cost. It’s not sustainable at the moment.

I don’t want or think JR should be sacked at this time

GGTTH

I agree with you. We have had 2 bad cup defeats, are in a poor run of form but 4th in the league suggests no snap decisions are required.. Our neighbours hounded out their manager after a bad [from their viewpoint] cup defeat when they 2nd in the league and it didn't get them very far.

[Chorley Hibee]

I’m sick of seeing getting to last nights semi as some kind of achievement. Look at our route to get there?

We’ve just been ****ing pumped by st J in a semi final. It’s absolutely no achievement getting there.

Correct!

To reach two semi-finals we've had to play Dundee Utd, BSC Glasgow, Inverness, Alloa, Dundee, Brora Rangers, Cove Rangers, Arbroath and Forfar. Not a single top flight side at the time.

Then handed two semi-finals we're favourites for too, but as soon as we meet anyone near our level we capitulate.

To class those two runs as success shows the mindset amongst much of our own support, never mind the club.

[MWHIBBIES]

We won’t be in the last four of a cup competition minus both the big two again. We won’t get as good an opportunity to win a trophy.

You've no idea if that is true. In these times especially, anything is possible. It also happened in 2007, 2012 for us, and multiple other times recently in Scotland.

[MWHIBBIES]

Correct!

To reach two semi-finals we've had to play Dundee Utd, BSC Glasgow, Inverness, Alloa, Dundee, Brora Rangers, Cove Rangers, Arbroath and Forfar. Not a single top flight side at the time.

Then handed two semi-finals we're favourites for too, but as soon as we meet anyone near our level we capitulate.

To class those two runs as success shows the mindset amongst much of our own support, never mind the club.

In 2004 we beat Rangers and Celtic. Did that make the Livi loss any better? Couldn't give a **** who we play. Reaching semis is a positive thing.

[Chorley Hibee]

In 2004 we beat Rangers and Celtic. Did that make the Livi loss any better? Couldn't give a **** who we play. Reaching semis is a positive thing.

Not when we repeatedly lose them to inferior opposition it isn't.

[WhileTheChief..]

That’s a bit dramatic.

There’s 2 trophies every year and pretty much anything can happen.

To say that in the entire future of football there won’t be another set of semi finals without the Old Firm is just stupid.

We also knew playing a non Old Firm team was going to be difficult too.

Old Firm teams also lose cup games. We beat one of them 5 years ago. After Ross County and Falkirk games I wasn’t sitting thinking that team was going to be winning the game.

It is disappointing that we didn’t take the chances in the semi this year but we are building a team just now that will be in more of them. To say we are now done forever is just ridiculous.

I’m guessing he means during JR’s time with us.

It’s a pretty safe bet I’d say!

[Andy74]

I’m guessing he means during JR’s time with us.

It’s a pretty safe bet I’d say!

That’s not what he said. He said it will never happen again and we will never have a better chance of winning a trophy.

[calumhibee1]

You've no idea if that is true. In these times especially, anything is possible. It also happened in 2007, 2012 for us, and multiple other times recently in Scotland.

A more accurate statement would probably have been Jack Ross is highly unlikely to get into the last 4 of a cup as Hibs manager without any of the 4 sides that spend more than us.

He won’t get an opportunity like that again before he inevitably leaves Hibs over the next couple of years, of that I’m fairly certain.

[gbhibby]

Ross is a lucky boy that there are no fans in the ground right now as the heat he should be feeling is absolutely nothing like the heat he will be feeling.

A few angry posts on a message board is not as visceral as noise and anger in a stadium or a drop off in attendance.

As a rule, I hate sacking managers. It was quite funny seeing Alex Miller on the telly a few weeks ago because he remains the only Hibs manager I’ve ever demonstrated or chanted that I wanted removed from position. All the others I’ve accepted needed to go after the event but wasn’t actually demanding their removal.

And that’s where I find myself with Ross. I’m unlikely to find myself howling on a plaza any time soon or throwing any fences. But if I found out tomorrow he was gone I wouldn’t be upset.

The calm demeanour doesn’t bother me - in fact, I quite like that over windmilling arms and pointless expletive laden rants. It’s the nuts and bolts of football I have an issue with - dull football, tactical weakness (at times), peculiar decision making, no real feeling that we’re building something in spite of the fact that he’s been quite handsomely backed.

Deep down there is the “I reckon someone could get more out of this group of players” feeling that is probably the most damning.
Alex Millers brand of football was far more exciting than what we are watching now!

[neil7908]

That’s a bit dramatic.

There’s 2 trophies every year and pretty much anything can happen.

To say that in the entire future of football there won’t be another set of semi finals without the Old Firm is just stupid.

We also knew playing a non Old Firm team was going to be difficult too.

Old Firm teams also lose cup games. We beat one of them 5 years ago. After Ross County and Falkirk games I wasn’t sitting thinking that team was going to be winning the game.

It is disappointing that we didn’t take the chances in the semi this year but we are building a team just now that will be in more of them. To say we are now done forever is just ridiculous.

After Livi, Ross County and last night, do you honestly see the manager building a team to succeed?

Of course Hibs will get to more semi finals but I'd like to have a team that looks capable of winning them, especially against poor opposition.

[B.H.F.C]

You've no idea if that is true. In these times especially, anything is possible. It also happened in 2007, 2012 for us, and multiple other times recently in Scotland.

History suggests it doesn’t happen very often.

It’ll obviously happen at some point. I don’t believe Jack Ross, in his remaining time at Hibs, will get an opportunity as good as this (playing lower league teams through to the semi final with both the Old Firn as well as Aberdeen out by the time you get that far).

[MWHIBBIES]

A more accurate statement would probably have been Jack Ross is highly unlikely to get into the last 4 of a cup as Hibs manager without any of the 4 sides that spend more than us.

He won’t get an opportunity like that again before he inevitably leaves Hibs over the next couple of years, of that I’m fairly certain.

Oh well, just have to do it the hard way. Hounding the manager isn't helping hibs win. We go again against rangers and hope for better.

[JohnM1875]

That’s a bit dramatic.

There’s 2 trophies every year and pretty much anything can happen.

To say that in the entire future of football there won’t be another set of semi finals without the Old Firm is just stupid.

We also knew playing a non Old Firm team was going to be difficult too.

Old Firm teams also lose cup games. We beat one of them 5 years ago. After Ross County and Falkirk games I wasn’t sitting thinking that team was going to be winning the game.

It is disappointing that we didn’t take the chances in the semi this year but we are building a team just now that will be in more of them. To say we are now done forever is just ridiculous.

It wasn't just the old firm. There was no Aberdeen or Hearts either. Genuinely don't think it's dramatic to say I can't see that happening again for a very long time.

[The Count]

So gutted after last night that i am going to have a week off football to recover my mojo.What i will say that over the years watching Hibs in Derbies,Semis and Finals at Hampden is we find a way to lose.We have had decent players and teams over the years sometimes we are the better side but dont take our chances and get beat.Yet the bloody Jambos can beat us with fluky goals win semis and the odd final with poor sides.Thats what really bloody annoys me.Anywaya rest for all these Hibs is needed this week to get back my sanity.

[Bobby's Cinema]

Now before I start my rant and probably getting attacked by all corners I would like to start by saying I’m not in any way trying to defend the manager, the players or last nights result. I’m trying to put a little bit of perspective and rational thought into where we are as a team, supporters and as a club.

Firstly I get that it’s easy to start a dozen threads wanting the manager sacked after a terrible result and performance, and to be fair there has been several of those terrible performances of late. We have sacked many managers in recent years with the exact same results, new guy comes in, pleases us for a while, then a string of poor results or in some cases a derby defeat and we want them hung. The fact is that constantly sacking and re-hiring is why we have never progressed as a club in 30+ years. We’re stuck in the same wheel we’ve been in for what feels like ever. It was only 5/6 weeks ago that some tabloids/press had our manager as favourites for the Celtic job. Majority our fans were saying beat it he’s ours and within a few games we want rid. I think we have brought in some terrific footballers to the club and I agree with most that the management may not be using these players tactically in the most progressive way but I also believe that the players we have need to step up and be counted for the manager.

The players: last nights game could have once again been put to bed within the first 25 minutes if the players had taken the chances that fell to them. 3 goals up in that period would have certainly changed the outcome. This has happened now on several occasions this season and I don’t think we should attack JR as much as we do because the players have had these games well within their grasp and let us fans and the management down. You can lead a horse to water is an old saying. JR has put out strong teams that should in all honesty play some of the dross in our league of the park. These players have turned many a clear win into a defeat. I don’t know why time after time our players do this, regardless of the manager. It’s been the hibs way for years. Another sacking and re-hiring will not change this, it never has. All it does is keep the broken wheel spinning.

Where do we go now, I don’t really know, but I’m not ready to throw the towel in yet with or manager or the players even though it can be more than frustrating at times. Our players are better than what they are giving and they need to step up and be counted and show their manager and their fans a bit more passion and a want to be at the club. Sacking managers is costly for the club as new managers come in at a cost and get rid of players and bring in new ones at a cost. It’s not sustainable at the moment.

I don’t want or think JR should be sacked at this time

GGTTH
Despite the massive disappointment of last night, I agree.

The manager put out a team and system that gave us the opportunity to win the game. And the players never took it. How much can the manager legislate for missing an absolute sitter, hitting the woodwork twice and losing your man at a set piece, the only time the opposition were anywhere near our goal.

What I will say is that at 0-2 the lack of composure from then until the end of the game was astonishing, I would have expected the manager to recognise that straight away and get that message across immediately - instead we never had our foot on the ball the rest of the game.

I feel a bit sorry for JR. He is in danger of being known as the nearly man when it comes towards the winning line. But a manager can only do so much.

[lord bunberry]

We won’t be in the last four of a cup competition minus both the big two again. We won’t get as good an opportunity to win a trophy.
We lost to Falkirk in the Scottish Cup semi final, if we’d won that we would’ve played St Johnstone in the final. Everyone said we wouldn’t get a better chance to win it, we won it the following year. We will win more trophies regardless of who else is still in the competition.

[MWHIBBIES]

We lost to Falkirk in the Scottish Cup semi final, if we’d won that we would’ve played St Johnstone in the final. Everyone said we wouldn’t get a better chance to win it, we won it the following year. We will win more trophies regardless of who else is still in the competition.

It was Inverness. But yes, you are correct. Folk pissing their pants saying we'll never get another chance are well off the mark. Who even gives a ****. Its always worth the bad times when we do win something, lets just get on with it. Yesterday was abysmal. ****ing horrendous. I really do not think just punting Ross now is solving anything, though. Just gives the new manager an angry, demanding fan base to handle and no time to implement his own ideas. Ross needs time to build. We have already progressed a lot under his management.

[lord bunberry]

It was Inverness. But yes, you are correct. Folk pissing their pants saying we'll never get another chance are well off the mark. Who even gives a ****. Its always worth the bad times when we do win something, lets just get on with it. Yesterday was abysmal. ****ing horrendous. I really do not think just punting Ross now is solving anything, though. Just gives the new manager an angry, demanding fan base to handle and no time to implement his own ideas. Ross needs time to build. We have already progressed a lot under his management.
I agree, sacking the manager when we’re challenging for 3rd in the league just isn’t going to happen, no matter how loud and angry some people get.

[B.H.F.C]

It was Inverness. But yes, you are correct. Folk pissing their pants saying we'll never get another chance are well off the mark. Who even gives a ****. Its always worth the bad times when we do win something, lets just get on with it. Yesterday was abysmal. ****ing horrendous. I really do not think just punting Ross now is solving anything, though. Just gives the new manager an angry, demanding fan base to handle and no time to implement his own ideas. Ross needs time to build. We have already progressed a lot under his management.

Who has said we’ll never get another chance?

[B.H.F.C]

We lost to Falkirk in the Scottish Cup semi final, if we’d won that we would’ve played St Johnstone in the final. Everyone said we wouldn’t get a better chance to win it, we won it the following year. We will win more trophies regardless of who else is still in the competition.

We were a Championship side at that point. Inverness finished third in the Premiership and knocked Celtic out in the semi final.

We’ve had as easy a route to the semi final as you could ask for this time and were the top ranked team with the best squad left in the competition.

We will undoubtedly win something again in the future. I’ll be shocked if we have such a favourable route to doing so any time soon though.

[Wilson]

I agree, sacking the manager when we’re challenging for 3rd in the league just isn’t going to happen, no matter how loud and angry some people get.

We're fighting to hold fourth imo. I don't see us taking anything from Rangers or Aberdeen. Dundee Utd seem to draw every game so I'd take a point. It will be interesting to see the state of play come the rematch with Ross County on February the 13th.

I admit I was enthused with our signing of Cadden and Irvine and - on the back of the Killie win - optimistic for the semi final. For all the investment though there just seems to be a fragility right through our team and I don't know if Jack Ross is the man to fix it.

[Jones28]

It was Inverness. But yes, you are correct. Folk pissing their pants saying we'll never get another chance are well off the mark. Who even gives a ****. Its always worth the bad times when we do win something, lets just get on with it. Yesterday was abysmal. ****ing horrendous. I really do not think just punting Ross now is solving anything, though. Just gives the new manager an angry, demanding fan base to handle and no time to implement his own ideas. Ross needs time to build. We have already progressed a lot under his management.

Great post.

We saw where our quick managerial turn around got us in 2014 and we should use that as a lesson.

[lord bunberry]

We're fighting to hold fourth imo. I don't see us taking anything from Rangers or Aberdeen. Dundee Utd seem to draw every game so I'd take a point. It will be interesting to see the state of play come the rematch with Ross County on February the 13th.

I admit I was enthused with our signing of Cadden and Irvine and - on the back of the Killie win - optimistic for the semi final. For all the investment though there just seems to be a fragility right through our team and I don't know if Jack Ross is the man to fix it.
We have a strong squad that should be good enough for at least 4th. Obviously everyone is gutted about yesterday, but sacking the manager now wouldn’t achieve anything. His overall record is very good, but his teams need grow a set and put down markers in the big games, starting on Wednesday would help.

[Hibee Mac]

I totally agree.

I honestly place 90% of the blame on the players last night. It's them who bottled it, yet again, when the manager set them up well and got the tactics right in the first half.

It's the players who couldnt convert their endless chances and then conceded from St Johnstones first corner of the game. It's the players who absolutely chucked it 5 mins into the 2nd half. Honestly, what can Jack Ross do about that?

I agree that his changes following the 2nd goal didn't work, but yet again it's the players who decided that the best option to get back in the game was to pass to Hanlon and let him fall back into his usual tactic of shelling it 60 yards down the park. Ross has more of a responsibility for the 2nd half but still the players are a large part of it and gave him no option but to try something totally different, they were hardly showing that they could do it without the changes were they?

Sacking Ross just starts the cycle all over again. Loads of great managerial matches begin under shaky circumstances, Sir Alex being a prime example. We need to give the manager time as he has hands down improved us, next improvement to make is give the players some ****ing bottle.

[Allez Hibs]

We won’t be in the last four of a cup competition minus both the big two again. We won’t get as good an opportunity to win a trophy.

I agree. A semi final line up line that up like that is very rare.

[Key West]

I’ve seen Hibs teams that were better than the present outfit but unfortunately seen those that were a lot worse, there’s no justification for getting rid of Jack Ross, with hindsight his team selection was debatable.

[Ozyhibby]

Stick with Ross.....for now. He needs to stop giving away the midfield though. Yesterday was better in first half as Irvine and Gogic grafted hard to win back the ball but the switch to only two in there was a mistake he keeps repeating. That need to stop. Midfield is a battle and so far this season we are not battling.


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[Hannah_hfc]

Now before I start my rant and probably getting attacked by all corners I would like to start by saying I’m not in any way trying to defend the manager, the players or last nights result. I’m trying to put a little bit of perspective and rational thought into where we are as a team, supporters and as a club.

Firstly I get that it’s easy to start a dozen threads wanting the manager sacked after a terrible result and performance, and to be fair there has been several of those terrible performances of late. We have sacked many managers in recent years with the exact same results, new guy comes in, pleases us for a while, then a string of poor results or in some cases a derby defeat and we want them hung. The fact is that constantly sacking and re-hiring is why we have never progressed as a club in 30+ years. We’re stuck in the same wheel we’ve been in for what feels like ever. It was only 5/6 weeks ago that some tabloids/press had our manager as favourites for the Celtic job. Majority our fans were saying beat it he’s ours and within a few games we want rid. I think we have brought in some terrific footballers to the club and I agree with most that the management may not be using these players tactically in the most progressive way but I also believe that the players we have need to step up and be counted for the manager.

The players: last nights game could have once again been put to bed within the first 25 minutes if the players had taken the chances that fell to them. 3 goals up in that period would have certainly changed the outcome. This has happened now on several occasions this season and I don’t think we should attack JR as much as we do because the players have had these games well within their grasp and let us fans and the management down. You can lead a horse to water is an old saying. JR has put out strong teams that should in all honesty play some of the dross in our league of the park. These players have turned many a clear win into a defeat. I don’t know why time after time our players do this, regardless of the manager. It’s been the hibs way for years. Another sacking and re-hiring will not change this, it never has. All it does is keep the broken wheel spinning.

Where do we go now, I don’t really know, but I’m not ready to throw the towel in yet with or manager or the players even though it can be more than frustrating at times. Our players are better than what they are giving and they need to step up and be counted and show their manager and their fans a bit more passion and a want to be at the club. Sacking managers is costly for the club as new managers come in at a cost and get rid of players and bring in new ones at a cost. It’s not sustainable at the moment.

I don’t want or think JR should be sacked at this time

GGTTH

Agree with your post. Last night I had a think about the last manager we had that the fans didn’t call for them to be sacked and was struggling with this. Mowbray maybe? Even Stubbs had threads calling for him to go after playoff defeats.

It’s been the same predictable cycle for years now:

Hire manager and first few games look steady- fans happy
Run of poor results - fans call for manager to go
Manager eventually leaves/ is sacked

Repeat.

I’m still furious after last nights match. I hate seeing a Hibs team with no fight, especially semi finals/ chances for trophies. On paper I think we have a very good team but something is not clicking. That’s something the management at Hibs should/ must be looking into urgently.

This repeated manger cycle has got us nowhere for a long time now.


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[Wilson]

Agree with your post. Last night I had a think about the last manager we had that the fans didn’t call for them to be sacked and was struggling with this. Mowbray maybe? Even Stubbs had threads calling for him to go after playoff defeats.

It’s been the same predictable cycle for years now:

Hire manager and first few games look steady- fans happy
Run of poor results - fans call for manager to go
Manager eventually leaves/ is sacked

Repeat.

I’m still furious after last nights match. I hate seeing a Hibs team with no fight, especially semi finals/ chances for trophies. On paper I think we have a very good team but something is not clicking. That’s something the management at Hibs should/ must be looking into urgently.

This repeated manger cycle has got us nowhere for a long time now.


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Butcher out Stubbs in got us the Scottish cup.
Stubbs out Lennon in got us promoted and into Europe. Lennon out Hecky in got us nowhere - Lennon worked his ticket on that one. Hecky out Jack Ross in improved on where we were but can he take us further?

In general we get some positivity from the cycle.

[Bobby's Cinema]

Agree with your post. Last night I had a think about the last manager we had that the fans didn’t call for them to be sacked and was struggling with this. Mowbray maybe? Even Stubbs had threads calling for him to go after playoff defeats.

It’s been the same predictable cycle for years now:

Hire manager and first few games look steady- fans happy
Run of poor results - fans call for manager to go
Manager eventually leaves/ is sacked

Repeat.

I’m still furious after last nights match. I hate seeing a Hibs team with no fight, especially semi finals/ chances for trophies. On paper I think we have a very good team but something is not clicking. That’s something the management at Hibs should/ must be looking into urgently.

This repeated manger cycle has got us nowhere for a long time now.


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That's a good point.

Fine lines, the manager is Kevin Nisbet slotting a penalty and Jamie Murphy scoring from 6 yards away from being hailed and us struggling to hold on to him. A lot of what has went wrong in these games the manager can't really legislate for. We were in the position to win them and the players never seized it. Point is we are getting in these positions and is that not the managers job before the players HAVE to take over?

I've heard quite a few people say we don't want to turn into Aberdeen. But that's exactly where I'd like to be, consistently qualifying for europe and getting into positions like last night (albeit lets start converting them).

We've shown signs of getting there. The manager certainly deserves more time IMO.

[Bobby's Cinema]

Butcher out Stubbs in got us the Scottish cup.
Stubbs out Lennon in got us promoted and into Europe. Lennon out Hecky in got us nowhere - Lennon worked his ticket on that one. Hecky out Jack Ross in improved on where we were but can he take us further?

In general we get some positivity from the cycle.
How much higher can we go from 4th in the league and consistently reaching every single semi final stage?

[Wilson]

How much higher can we go from 4th in the league and consistently reaching every single semi final stage?

Third in the league and finals?

[Hibernia&Alba]

Now before I start my rant and probably getting attacked by all corners I would like to start by saying I’m not in any way trying to defend the manager, the players or last nights result. I’m trying to put a little bit of perspective and rational thought into where we are as a team, supporters and as a club.

Firstly I get that it’s easy to start a dozen threads wanting the manager sacked after a terrible result and performance, and to be fair there has been several of those terrible performances of late. We have sacked many managers in recent years with the exact same results, new guy comes in, pleases us for a while, then a string of poor results or in some cases a derby defeat and we want them hung. The fact is that constantly sacking and re-hiring is why we have never progressed as a club in 30+ years. We’re stuck in the same wheel we’ve been in for what feels like ever. It was only 5/6 weeks ago that some tabloids/press had our manager as favourites for the Celtic job. Majority our fans were saying beat it he’s ours and within a few games we want rid. I think we have brought in some terrific footballers to the club and I agree with most that the management may not be using these players tactically in the most progressive way but I also believe that the players we have need to step up and be counted for the manager.

The players: last nights game could have once again been put to bed within the first 25 minutes if the players had taken the chances that fell to them. 3 goals up in that period would have certainly changed the outcome. This has happened now on several occasions this season and I don’t think we should attack JR as much as we do because the players have had these games well within their grasp and let us fans and the management down. You can lead a horse to water is an old saying. JR has put out strong teams that should in all honesty play some of the dross in our league of the park. These players have turned many a clear win into a defeat. I don’t know why time after time our players do this, regardless of the manager. It’s been the hibs way for years. Another sacking and re-hiring will not change this, it never has. All it does is keep the broken wheel spinning.

Where do we go now, I don’t really know, but I’m not ready to throw the towel in yet with or manager or the players even though it can be more than frustrating at times. Our players are better than what they are giving and they need to step up and be counted and show their manager and their fans a bit more passion and a want to be at the club. Sacking managers is costly for the club as new managers come in at a cost and get rid of players and bring in new ones at a cost. It’s not sustainable at the moment.

I don’t want or think JR should be sacked at this time

GGTTH

Good post, and this is where I am just now. I think the manager deserves to keep his job at present and the chance to address the problems we have. IMHO, it's too soon to consider replacing him.

[calumhibee1]

How much higher can we go from 4th in the league and consistently reaching every single semi final stage?

Not getting beat by teams we should be beating twice in the space of a couple of months when we get to said semi finals?

[Bobby's Cinema]

Not getting beat by teams we should be beating twice in the space of a couple of months when we get to said semi finals?
As I say, at some point the players on the park need to take over and take the chance.
Everything was in place from the managers/ transfer policy on both occasions on the opportunity was there for them to do so.

There's only so far a manager can effect things. Not much he can do from the sideline when penalties and gilt edge chances from 6 yards are missed.

I'm not saying he's not culpable to a degree. But certainly deserves more time IMO.

[hibbysam]

Not getting beat by teams we should be beating twice in the space of a couple of months when we get to said semi finals?

So you agree we shouldn’t be beating Rangers and Celtic then and should stop using that as a stick to beat JR with?

[calumhibee1]

So you agree we shouldn’t be beating Rangers and Celtic then and should stop using that as a stick to beat JR with?

We shouldn’t be beating them often, but we should beat them sometimes. Something JR hasn’t managed.

The flip side of that would be accepting we should never beat Celtic and Rangers but we should never be beaten by anyone else in this league outside of them and Aberdeen. Nobody has claimed that’s the case. Of course teams in this league should beat us, but we should beat them a lot more often than they beat us.

When you go into the big games under a manager expecting to not win them/not being surprised in the slightest when you get beat - like last night and the Hearts semi final - then something is seriously wrong with that manager.

[hibbysam]

We shouldn’t be beating them often, but we should beat them sometimes. Something JR hasn’t managed.

The flip side of that would be accepting we should never beat Celtic and Rangers but we should never be beaten by anyone else in this league outside of them and Aberdeen. Nobody has claimed that’s the case. Of course teams in this league should beat us, but we should beat them a lot more often than they beat us.

When you go into the big games under a manager expecting to not win them/not being surprised in the slightest when you get beat - like last night and the Hearts semi final - then something is seriously wrong with that manager.

So you are saying we don’t beat ‘the rest’ the majority of the time? Now I’ve not looked at stats per club, but looking at our league position (and the fact we haven’t beaten Rangers or Celtic) I’d expect us to have a very good record against the rest. You’ll maybe prove me wrong.

[calumhibee1]

So you are saying we don’t beat ‘the rest’ the majority of the time? Now I’ve not looked at stats per club, but looking at our league position (and the fact we haven’t beaten Rangers or Celtic) I’d expect us to have a very good record against the rest. You’ll maybe prove me wrong.

A lot more than they beat us is a lot more than just a majority of the time.

[Alfred E Newman]

Alex Millers brand of football was far more exciting than what we are watching now!

:agree:

[Ronniekirk]

Stick with Ross.....for now. He needs to stop giving away the midfield though. Yesterday was better in first half as Irvine and Gogic grafted hard to win back the ball but the switch to only two in there was a mistake he keeps repeating. That need to stop. Midfield is a battle and so far this season we are not battling.


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But you make a key point he keeps repeating that same mistake Two in midfield and teams know how to get on top of us



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[hibbysam]

A lot more than they beat us is a lot more than just a majority of the time.

Is it just a majority? Like I say I don’t have the stats to hand but removing Rangers Celtic Hearts and Aberdeen which we’ve acknowledged his record, I’d be very surprised if it’s just a small majority, and not a large swing in our favour considering we are third in a table since Ross took over.

[cabbageandribs1875]

We won’t be in the last four of a cup competition minus both the big two again. We won’t get as good an opportunity to win a trophy.


this :agree: what a chance we had and the players let us down so badly, why did they fold after the 2nd goal, been through this so many times with hibs and today i'm still so freakin angry

[hibbysam]

A lot more than they beat us is a lot more than just a majority of the time.

Back of the fag packet stats, but removing the cup ties and the Rangers/Celtic/Aberdeen/Hearts games our record under Ross is played 28, won 16, drawn 8 and lost 4. Exactly the sort of record I’d imagine we’d have. We beat these teams majority of the time under him.

[Hibs90]

I’m sick of seeing getting to last nights semi as some kind of achievement. Look at our route to get there?

We’ve just been ****ing pumped by st J in a semi final. It’s absolutely no achievement getting there.

Too many people happy to just sit back and accept mediocrity. The club will never progress that way. I just hope Ron/New CEO can see that.

[delbert]

Too many people happy to just sit back and accept mediocrity. The club will never progress that way. I just hope Ron/New CEO can see that.

Hibs supporters have sat back and accept mediocrity for decades, indeed you are attacked and labelled a bed wetter if you have the temerity to point out that we under achieve regularly and God forbid if you dare to mention that a player might have some weakness in their game or might not actually be up to the task. Just keep quiet snd repeat it’s all fine, it will come good !

[chrisski33]

Too many people happy to just sit back and accept mediocrity. The club will never progress that way. I just hope Ron/New CEO can see that.

As Rons 5 year plan is to have Hibs as Scotlands 3rd force ,in the both cups and in Europe every year im sure he willbtake action by end of season as cant see Ross taking us to third place even 4th.

[Andy74]

Too many people happy to just sit back and accept mediocrity. The club will never progress that way. I just hope Ron/New CEO can see that.

Could be that people just see a different way which is sticking with a manager and letting him solve the issues over time.

We are now at the margins of taking a team from 4th to 3rd and taking teams to finals.

The current manager has us still in a position to battle for 3rd this year and I think well placed to make sure this team gets better from here. We have been a couple of incidents going either way away from finals.

So you can take a call that another manager might be the difference now in those small margins and that is worth the hassle and costs and risks of doing so, or you can allow the current one to keep on the patch that has is extremely close to where everyone seems to agree we should be.

Do you know of a manager who is guaranteed to do these things?

[G15 Hibs]

Hibs supporters have sat back and accept mediocrity for decades, indeed you are attacked and labelled a bed wetter if you have the temerity to point out that we under achieve regularly and God forbid if you dare to mention that a player might have some weakness in their game or might not actually be up to the task. Just keep quiet snd repeat it’s all fine, it will come good !

What practical things should Hibs fans do instead? Or are we just taking about people who moan on Internet forums v people who don't again?

[blackpoolhibs]

I used to remember we called for the managers head when we were struggling to stay in the league, or when we were plummeting like a stone towards relegation.

Now we want a manager sacked because he cant win semi finals, and we sit 4th with a good chance of maybe making 3rd.

Lets get rid, it will be easy to take us that next step of making finals and finishing 3rd, we do it all the time. :faf:

[Hibs90]

Could be that people just see a different way which is sticking with a manager and letting him solve the issues over time.

We are now at the margins of taking a team from 4th to 3rd and taking teams to finals.

The current manager has us still in a position to battle for 3rd this year and I think well placed to make sure this team gets better from here. We have been a couple of incidents going either way away from finals.

So you can take a call that another manager might be the difference now in those small margins and that is worth the hassle and costs and risks of doing so, or you can allow the current one to keep on the patch that has is extremely close to where everyone seems to agree we should be.

Do you know of a manager who is guaranteed to do these things?

No I do not, but then again it's not my job to hire the manager.

[ahibby]

No I do not, but then again it's not my job to hire the manager.

I am on record as saying he wont be Hibs manager next season that may still be the case but if it comes true then it will be because of fan pressure. IMO the best way forward is for us to continue to support the club in the same way we have because he will turn this around. I have said that he wont and no wonder taking into consideration our recent three losses and poor form for the past couple of months. Once the new players bed in I am sure we will have enough in our armoury to push for third and have a decent SC run.

[Hibs90]

I am on record as saying he wont be Hibs manager next season that may still be the case but if it comes true then it will be because of fan pressure. IMO the best way forward is for us to continue to support the club in the same way we have because he will turn this around. I have said that he wont and no wonder taking into consideration our recent three losses and poor form for the past couple of months. Once the new players bed in I am sure we will have enough in our armoury to push for third and have a decent SC run.

A push for third and a decent SC run are the minimum this club should be pushing for each season but when you've had two chances and one in particular a glorious chance at at trophy and ****ed it compiled with losing several 'big' games then there is no going back. That would be accepting failure.

[ahibby]

A push for third and a decent SC run are the minimum this club should be pushing for each season but when you've had two chances and one in particular a glorious chance at at trophy and ****ed it compiled with losing several 'big' games then there is no going back. That would be accepting failure.

Exactly, its possible that fan pressure because of the fair and honest reasons you give might push him out. Its possible that he will win us around by turning us around. There is no doubt in my mind that he has an eye on the league while St J were totally focused on that cup, Hibs have other irons in the fire and St J do not. I sound like a fan of JR but I am not. I do agree that we need to focus on getting a Euro place and so understand what he is up to. However the way he is going about managing each match in my opinion is or has been wrong. My gut tells me he will have a season run jn as strong as our season start, which was strong. Just a gut feeling and I could be proved wrong I hope not and not for JRs sake but for our sake which means for Hibs sake because its us who are Hibs not him not the players and not RG.