Next Manager?

[Hibs2105]

There seems to be a section of the support wanting JR out. It’s fine shouting about wanting a manager sacked but who would we bring in to replace him?


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[sean04]

I don’t think it’s just the manager, surely Mathie and the recruitment team need looked at?

[Hibs2105]

I don’t think it’s just the manager, surely Mathie and the recruitment team need looked at?

I think when you look at it most of the players we’ve signed recently have been pretty obvious signings to make. Players that most people who keep up to date with Scottish football are all aware of. In agreement with the fact that the recruitment team could do more. Surely it’s their job to unearth some hidden gems.


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[Allez Hibs]

I don’t think it’s just the manager, surely Mathie and the recruitment team need looked at?

Totally agree that Mathie needs looked at. We have an imbalanced squad now, full of midfielders.

Let's be honest, is it good economic sense to have Lewy and other defenders who don't play on good deals?

I would rather be winning this League Cup than finishing 4th this season if I had the choice.

[sean04]

I think when you look at it most of the players we’ve signed recently have been pretty obvious signings to make. Players that most people who keep up to date with Scottish football are all aware of. In agreement with the fact that the recruitment team could do more. Surely it’s their job to unearth some hidden gems.


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We keep signing midfielders. Must have 7/8 centre mids. Surely we must be looking for centre halfs? Must be looking at creative players who can bring something different, somebody to come off the bench and change a game

[Hibs2105]

We keep signing midfielders. Must have 7/8 centre mids. Surely we must be looking for centre halfs? Must be looking at creative players who can bring something different, somebody to come off the bench and change a game

We don’t have players on the pitch who can change a game atm


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[sean04]

Talking about former managers John Collins?

[Allez Hibs]

Appears that Mathie and his department are hell bent on trying to find the next John McGinn as opposed to addressing positions of need. i.e a good left back and a good centre half.

[Buc]

Going back to the original question, having watched Sportscene tonight, Gary McAllister seems to be pulling the strings of Gerard, or we could do worse than go along the Usual St Mirren line and try Jim Goodwin?

[Allez Hibs]

Talking about former managers John Collins?

John Hughes deserves another shot at it.

[sean04]

John Hughes deserves another shot at it.

Why?

[Hibs2105]

Talking about former managers John Collins?

Still a bit early in his Ross County tenure but John Hughes encourages his players to be brave, builds a good team spirit and plays good football. Yogi obviously understands what it means to represent Hibs and would be able to get the players up for big games. Anyone else think he’d be a good replacement for JR?


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[Allez Hibs]

Going back to the original question, having watched Sportscene tonight, Gary McAllister seems to be pulling the strings of Gerard, or we could do worse than go along the Usual St Mirren line and try Jim Goodwin?

Let's put signing anyone else from St Mirren to bed. John McGinn a side, who else has really made a difference?

[Jones28]

Still a bit early in his Ross County tenure but John Hughes encourages his players to be brave, builds a good team spirit and plays good football. Yogi obviously understands what it means to represent Hibs and would be able to get the players up for big games. Anyone else think he’d be a good replacement for JR?


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No.

[Hibs2105]

Appears that Mathie and his department are hell bent on trying to find the next John McGinn as opposed to addressing positions of need. i.e a good left back and a good centre half.

Mathie seems happy to take the plaudits for good recruitment but turns into the invisible man when recruitment is poor IMO


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[Allez Hibs]

Why?

His time at Inverness and he won the Scottish Cup with them.knows the club and is a an old school man manager. Jack Ross is a modern type coaching badges cookie cutter coach.

[madhatter]

I think when you look at it most of the players we’ve signed recently have been pretty obvious signings to make. Players that most people who keep up to date with Scottish football are all aware of. In agreement with the fact that the recruitment team could do more. Surely it’s their job to unearth some hidden gems.


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Wish Hibs would try a foreign manager one day (not ex-player thing though). Our history is dominated by British managers and it’s not as if our history is littered with huge successes.

Likewise on the players that were signed. Irvine and Cadden were mentioned numerous times on here, weeks and potentially months before they signed. Everything is very safe about Hibs, samey, expected and a bit meh.

Whole football department needs looked at. We’re becoming Aberdeen, plod along in league but implode on the big stage. We don’t have a footballing philosophy, a way of playing football. That’s hugely important to club cohesion - player recruitment and managerial appointments.

[sean04]

Still a bit early in his Ross County tenure but John Hughes encourages his players to be brave, builds a good team spirit and plays good football. Yogi obviously understands what it means to represent Hibs and would be able to get the players up for big games. Anyone else think he’d be a good replacement for JR?


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I think your heart is ruling your head. Yes Ross county have had a wee lift from him coming in, could’ve been beat by 8/9 goals today. Might have passion and be a hibs man but his managerial cv is not good

[Fergus52]

I think your heart is ruling your head. Yes Ross county have had a wee lift from him coming in, could’ve been beat by 8/9 goals today. Might have passion and be a hibs man but his managerial cv is not good


He relegated Raith from the championship, who were previously one of the better teams in the division, after loaning their best striker to Dumbarton who stayed up.

Does no one calling for yogi remember that run from February to April that season? Was relegation form and some of the worst football I've seen from hibs, despite us having a decent squad at the time.

[sean04]

Wish Hibs would try a foreign manager one day (not ex-player thing though). Our history is dominated by British managers and it’s not as if our history is littered with huge successes.

Likewise on the players that were signed. Irvine and Cadden were mentioned numerous times on here, weeks and potentially months before they signed. Everything is very safe about Hibs, samey, expected and a bit meh.

Whole football department needs looked at. We’re becoming Aberdeen, plod along in league but implode on the big stage. We don’t have a footballing philosophy, a way of playing football. That’s hugely important to club cohesion - player recruitment and managerial appointments.


Do like the idea of a foreign manager, most the top English clubs have went that way but at the same time they don’t seem to be that successful in Scotland. Stendal, Pedro, Ronny off the top of my head. All seem a bit mad

[madhatter]

Do like the idea of a foreign manager, most the top English clubs have went that way but at the same time they don’t seem to be that successful in Scotland. Stendal, Pedro, Ronny off the top of my head. All seem a bit mad

Many Scottish managers don’t do well here either but we all still view them positively even to the point where we say they deserve another shot at the Hibs job...

Culture needs time to cultivate and grow but Hibs need to find something as we keep signing the expected players, the expected managers and just very much doing the expected things. Nothing exciting...

[cekim]

New manager

Stevie Wonder, he will see more than Jack Ross.

[Stokesy's on fire]

John Hughes deserves another shot at it.

We have to be aiming way higher than John Hughes. No more mediocrity.

[Greenio]

What a load of nonsense.

You dont sack a manager for losing big games. You sack them when they dont get you to the big games

I know its never good to lose, esp when it matters, but sober up, relax and get some perspective eh. This is knee jerk reaction to a tee

[Forza Fred]

What a load of nonsense.

You dont sack a manager for losing big games. You sack them when they dont get you to the big games

I know its never good to lose, esp when it matters, but sober up, relax and get some perspective eh. This is knee jerk reaction to a tee

most sensible post today.

finish 4th and make the semis of both cups would be a standout on most managers' resumes.

yet, some want him sacked today.

I,m no apologist for Jack Ross, aindeed am critical of him for playing so many underdone players in the semi, but the end of the season is when to evaluate things.

anything less than a top four finish though would be unacceptable.

[Stokesy's on fire]

most sensible post today.

finish 4th and make the semis of both cups would be a standout on most managers' resumes.

yet, some want him sacked today.

I,m no apologist for Jack Ross, aindeed am critical of him for playing so many underdone players in the semi, but the end of the season is when to evaluate things.

anything less than a top four finish though would be unacceptable.

Can we put Green and white Ribbons on Semi finals or 4th place...c'mon we should be looking to win cups. For years and years the club claimed to building for the future. Its now 2021 and we are still a poor side despite having facilities such as Eastmains, Easter road and a damn good support.

[green day]

What a load of nonsense.

You dont sack a manager for losing big games. You sack them when they dont get you to the big games

I know its never good to lose, esp when it matters, but sober up, relax and get some perspective eh. This is knee jerk reaction to a tee

What about sacking him for having zero tactical or motivational clue? Yesterday was a carbon copy of the Ross County capitulation and we have looked garbage for weeks.
Ross cant work out a plan A, and when we lose a goal its game over.

Thats perspective.


most sensible post today.

finish 4th and make the semis of both cups would be a standout on most managers' resumes.

yet, some want him sacked today.

I,m no apologist for Jack Ross, aindeed am critical of him for playing so many underdone players in the semi, but the end of the season is when to evaluate things.

anything less than a top four finish though would be unacceptable.

We have the 4th largest budget in the league, chances are we finish 4th even with me in charge - at least I would know that we cant play with just Nisbet up front.

Teams like Hibs need a clever manager to leverage the players we have to convert any advantage into semi finals and finals......and possibly silverware.

FFS the league cup will be won by one of Livingston, St Johnstone or St Mirren.................

Jack Ross has been found out tactically in the league this season, and has also baffled in both semi finals (and was again out thought by Robbie Neilson in that match).

For a team of Hibs resources, not to convert one of the 2 x semi finals - against Championship and poorer premiership opposition - is pitiful.

He needs to go.

[Hibs90]

What a load of nonsense.

You dont sack a manager for losing big games. You sack them when they dont get you to the big games

I know its never good to lose, esp when it matters, but sober up, relax and get some perspective eh. This is knee jerk reaction to a tee

It’s really not a knee jerk reaction at all.

[GreenCastle]

What a load of nonsense.

You dont sack a manager for losing big games. You sack them when they dont get you to the big games

I know its never good to lose, esp when it matters, but sober up, relax and get some perspective eh. This is knee jerk reaction to a tee

What a load of nonsense. That’s a weak mentality to have - accepting he can lose the important games and it doesn’t matter.

So say he was to get us relegated - you don’t sack him ?

You say sack him when they don’t get to the big games...surely that means when he doesn’t get to x2 finals ????

Does he have to get us to the Champions League final to be sacked ?? Or lose to Hearts with another pathetic performance. Or lose again to Aberdeen / Old Firm / Livi / Ross County / St Johnstone loads of times to make it obvious he’s never going to win us anything. He’s Mcinnes part 2 - though least DM beats Hibs regularly.

[coldingham hibs]

Tommy Wright

[Tambo]

https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/statistik/verfuegbaretrainer

Take your pick.

[Hibs90]

Tommy Wright

You’re at it

[coldingham hibs]

You’re at it

No, his record at St.Johnstone speaks for itself. Knows the league & players and won’t take any nonsense.

[Heisenberg]

If folk think the football is bad under Ross they’d be in for a shock with Tommy Wright. None of the names mentioned recently as possible replacements have stood out and made me think I’d sack Ross to get him in. Yogi, Wright, Stubbs, Robinson all no’s for me.

[Allant1981]

No, his record at St.Johnstone speaks for itself. Knows the league & players and won’t take any nonsense.

Not a chance you are being serious with that post

[scoopyboy]

Doesn't matter a f*** who the next manager is,the same folk will want him out within a few games.

I long for Hibs to appoint a manager who is given a decent length of time.

This 18 months to two years stints is getting us nowhere.

Your more successful clubs give managers a decent length of time.

[calumhibee1]

There’s a whole world of managers I’d expect Hibs to know about that I wouldn’t expect us as fans to know about - whether that’s down south in Leagues 1 and 2 etc or abroad or even just out of work.

From the very limited knowledge of managers available though, I’d quite happily take Stubbs back.

We’ve got decent attacking players and he plays football the way Hibs fans want us to play, something which he thrives upon.

I would say though that I’d expect Hibs to be able to find an even better option elsewhere though.

[ScottB]

Doesn't matter a f*** who the next manager is,the same folk will want him out within a few games.

I long for Hibs to appoint a manager who is given a decent length of time.

This 18 months to two years stints is getting us nowhere.

Your more successful clubs give managers a decent length of time.

I disagree, the only reason we’d keep a manager for 3 or 4 years plus is if he wasn’t good enough for any bigger club to want him.

In terms of both players and managers, I want guys on the up, destined for bigger things. We get as much out of them as we can before they head off to a higher level.

[calumhibee1]

Doesn't matter a f*** who the next manager is,the same folk will want him out within a few games.

I long for Hibs to appoint a manager who is given a decent length of time.

This 18 months to two years stints is getting us nowhere.

Your more successful clubs give managers a decent length of time.

That’s all well and good, but when the manager is constantly failing at the big moments you can’t just stick by him when all the evidence says he’s never going to manage to get over that hurdle.

He couldn’t do it in his last role at Sunderland and he has been an abomination at Hibs in the big games. Giving him 3 or 4 years will only likely see 3 or 4 years of bottling near enough every big game we play and a load of skelpings along the way.

[DJ HIBBY]

John Doolan for me

[scoopyboy]

I disagree, the only reason we’d keep a manager for 3 or 4 years plus is if he wasn’t good enough for any bigger club to want him.

In terms of both players and managers, I want guys on the up, destined for bigger things. We get as much out of them as we can before they head off to a higher level.

You're ideal is spot on but never seems to work and it's not easy sadly.

We get a manager in, he gets a few results, people say we would have lost that game under the previous manager, wee while later same folks want him out.

I don't think there are many great options out there should JR go and certainly none that guarantee success.

If I had to take a punt I would possibly go for Jim Goodwin. Hated him playing against us but have warmed to him as a manager. Talks sense to me when interviewed, got St.Mirren doing well, is passionate and isn't afraid to play young players.

[J-C]

Doesn't matter a f*** who the next manager is,the same folk will want him out within a few games.

I long for Hibs to appoint a manager who is given a decent length of time.

This 18 months to two years stints is getting us nowhere.

Your more successful clubs give managers a decent length of time.

So we keep him for 3-4 years just for stability even if that means mediocrity.

Ron stated he wants to be the best of the rest, that means 3rd place and regular cup finals/wins, being knocked out in 2 semi's and losing badly at hone to 2 bog standard clubs isn't being best of the rest.

[Greenio]

What a load of nonsense. That’s a weak mentality to have - accepting he can lose the important games and it doesn’t matter.

So say he was to get us relegated - you don’t sack him ?

You say sack him when they don’t get to the big games...surely that means when he doesn’t get to x2 finals ????

Does he have to get us to the Champions League final to be sacked ?? Or lose to Hearts with another pathetic performance. Or lose again to Aberdeen / Old Firm / Livi / Ross County / St Johnstone loads of times to make it obvious he’s never going to win us anything. He’s Mcinnes part 2 - though least DM beats Hibs regularly.


Never said it didn't matter. It certainly does matter. My point is calls to sack the manager are a knee jerk reaction because folk are pissed off we lost a semi. It's short sighted, ott and totally missed the fact that he's a manager that is performing significantly above average.

If he got us relegated? Yeah, sack him.

Big games for us are semi finals. C'mon be realistic

He might not win us anything. Vast majority of all out managers never have. Unfortunately that's not the yardstick of a good manager for us at the moment.

[Greenio]

It’s really not a knee jerk reaction at all.

I disagree.

You lose a semi final.

You want to vent. Manager is awful needs punted.

The bigger picture tells a different story

[green day]

I disagree.

You lose a semi final.

You want to vent. Manager is awful needs punted.

The bigger picture tells a different story

Hearts dsemi, Livi, Ross County, St Johnstone losses, with a less than convincing performance against a poor killie team in between those last 3.

Its not kneejerk, its the straw that broke the camels back.

[Greenio]

Can we put Green and white Ribbons on Semi finals or 4th place...c'mon we should be looking to win cups. For years and years the club claimed to building for the future. Its now 2021 and we are still a poor side despite having facilities such as Eastmains, Easter road and a damn good support.

We are looking to win cups. Weve been in two semi finals in the last few months (aye, I know we lost em both!)


I don't think we are a poor side overall.

Folk are just ragin we lost. Which is understandable but perspective is needed

[Greenio]

Hearts dsemi, Livi, Ross County, St Johnstone losses, with a less than convincing performance against a poor killie team in between those last 3.

Its not kneejerk, its the straw that broke the camels back.

You want me to list the matches we've won?

Or compare our performances and results under other managers?

[Since452]

So far on various threads I've seen folk wanting Stubbs, Hughes, Collins, Doolan. Only a matter of time before someone wants Neil Lennon back 😂 I'm so glad fans don't run the club. We'd end up back in the championship.

[Allant1981]

So far on various threads I've seen folk wanting Stubbs, Hughes, Collins, Doolan. Only a matter of time before someone wants Neil Lennon back 😂

Get him back, I want to see the aeroplane again

[Hibs2105]

What a load of nonsense.

You dont sack a manager for losing big games. You sack them when they dont get you to the big games

I know its never good to lose, esp when it matters, but sober up, relax and get some perspective eh. This is knee jerk reaction to a tee

This was the best chance jack Ross will have to win a cup. Playing a side who have a much smaller budget than us in one semi and a championship team in the other. 2 games we should be winning. It is embarrassing we didn’t make it to at least one cup final.


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[Heisenberg]

So far on various threads I've seen folk wanting Stubbs, Hughes, Collins, Doolan. Only a matter of time before someone wants Neil Lennon back 😂 I'm so glad fans don't run the club. We'd end up back in the championship.

It’s wild. All of the names suggested have been rotten. Folk forget the failures of Hughes especially because he’s picked up a couple of results for Ross county in the past month. His big game record at Hibs was even worse than JR’s.

[ScottB]

You're ideal is spot on but never seems to work and it's not easy sadly.

We get a manager in, he gets a few results, people say we would have lost that game under the previous manager, wee while later same folks want him out.

I don't think there are many great options out there should JR go and certainly none that guarantee success.

If I had to take a punt I would possibly go for Jim Goodwin. Hated him playing against us but have warmed to him as a manager. Talks sense to me when interviewed, got St.Mirren doing well, is passionate and isn't afraid to play young players.

True, by the very nature of our position in the game, it’s always a gamble. To get that guy ‘on the up’ Hibs will likely be the biggest job he’s ever had, only Lennon doesn’t fit that, with everyone else in the last couple decades bar Mcleish and Williamson not even having had experience in the division.

Ross seemed a decent bet on paper, but it doesn’t seem like he’s on that upward trajectory. Goodwin might be, again, potentially a decent bet on paper!

Much as too few of our players end up like John McGinn, way too few of our managers go on to further success. In fact, who even has since the 90’s? McLeish did alright for himself, Mowbray had a fairly mixed time at Celtic after a decent stretch at West Brom... Hecky, Stubbs, Butcher, Collins, Mixu, Le God, Calderwood etc never got bigger jobs than this one, or left management completely.

[scoopyboy]

So we keep him for 3-4 years just for stability even if that means mediocrity.

Ron stated he wants to be the best of the rest, that means 3rd place and regular cup finals/wins, being knocked out in 2 semi's and losing badly at hone to 2 bog standard clubs isn't being best of the rest.

I would certainly give him a bit longer J-C.

He has improved us and I like most of his signings.

Can you or anyone else guarantee the next manager will be better?

As they say with investments, remember they can go down as well as up.

[Since452]

It’s wild. All of the names suggested have been rotten. Folk forget the failures of Hughes especially because he’s picked up a couple of results for Ross county in the past month. His big game record at Hibs was even worse than JR’s.

Yup. I don't think Hughes even got us to a semi final.

[Booked4Being-Ugly]

Get him back, I want to see the aeroplane again

Too late, it went into a tailspin and crashed n’ burned!

[Hibs2105]

Yup. I don't think Hughes even got us to a semi final.

Was Hughes backed as much as JR has been though?


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[LeithMike]

It’s wild. All of the names suggested have been rotten. Folk forget the failures of Hughes especially because he’s picked up a couple of results for Ross county in the past month. His big game record at Hibs was even worse than JR’s.Agreed. Hughes can definitely do a good job at a club in the short-term with strong motivational skills but that effect tends to plateau and he's not proven an ability to take a club on from that and his hard line approach can then send the club quickly into reverse.

After his comments about Hibs' fans not knowing what is going on he's hardly going to be welcomed back.

In Ross we have a steady if unspectacular manager and we're not on a terminal spiral of decline like we were with Lennon so the club have time to act. I'd only like to see us replace the manager if we can make a really good appointment - a real satrment of intent. None of the managers that have been mentioned fall into that category and a lot would be a big step back from Ross.



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[Fergus52]

I would certainly give him a bit longer J-C.

He has improved us and I like most of his signings.

Can you or anyone else guarantee the next manager will be better?

As they say with investments, remember they can go down as well as up.

This is where I'm at too.

Got a lot of issues with jack Ross - style of play, terrible results in derbys and against Aberdeen. (Still think it's nonsense to include old firm games in this 'big games' chat when we've looked good and taken several points off of them this season)

But he's improved us, best manager we've had since McLeish at regularly beating the teams we should be beating in the league and has us 4th. Yeah we've got the 4th biggest budget but how often have we had the 4th or 5th biggest budget and came bottom 6. Plenty posters were saying in the summer we had a bottom 6 squad so you think they'd be delighted with 4th.

If we sack him here and get the appointment wrong could easily end up as a felon to butcher situation where an uninspiring manager who is actually doing okay is replaced by an absolute mess and we seriously regress.

Should give Ross to the end of season. If we come any lower than 4th sack him, and if next season our style of play and results in big games haven't improved then we should get rid imo.

[HIBERNIAN-0762]

Apologies for the get Broony in last night, a mixture of too much beer and total rage 😀

One thing we must do is get that back door shut, we badly need a proper captain and leader, for me that is a priority, please no more midfielders!

💚💚💚

[MWHIBBIES]

No, his record at St.Johnstone speaks for itself. Knows the league & players and won’t take any nonsense.

Code for hes a big knuggle dragger who throws things around. Another Terry Butcher.

[Heisenberg]

This is where I'm at too.

Got a lot of issues with jack Ross - style of play, terrible results in derbys and against Aberdeen. (Still think it's nonsense to include old firm games in this 'big games' chat when we've looked good and taken several points off of them this season)

But he's improved us, best manager we've had since McLeish at regularly beating the teams we should be beating in the league and has us 4th. Yeah we've got the 4th biggest budget but how often have we had the 4th or 5th biggest budget and came bottom 6. Plenty posters were saying in the summer we had a bottom 6 squad so you think they'd be delighted with 4th.

If we sack him here and get the appointment wrong could easily end up as a felon to butcher situation where an uninspiring manager who is actually doing okay is replaced by an absolute mess and we seriously regress.

Should give Ross to the end of season. If we come any lower than 4th sack him, and if next season our style of play and results in big games haven't improved then we should get rid imo.

I think this is where I’m at. I don’t think he’ll go just now because of our league position. Unless we completely capitulate he’s here till the end of the season and beyond. Improvements are required in a number of areas though, that much is clear.

[MWHIBBIES]

Was Hughes backed as much as JR has been though?


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Yes. He got stokes, liam miller, about 12 different goalies etc.

Hughes is the furthest thing from what we need I can possibly imagine.

[Alfred E Newman]

Talking about former managers John Collins?

He was on the BBC commentary team yesterday. He couldn’t understand the way the team was set up or the tactics yesterday and that was before St Johnstone scored their first goal. He wasn’t the only one.

[hibbysam]

Yes. He got stokes, liam miller, about 12 different goalies etc.

Hughes is the furthest thing from what we need I can possibly imagine.

Not even just 12 goalies, signing Graeme Smith should’ve resulted in a life sentence.

[WhileTheChief..]

Wish Hibs would try a foreign manager one day (not ex-player thing though). Our history is dominated by British managers and it’s not as if our history is littered with huge successes.

Likewise on the players that were signed. Irvine and Cadden were mentioned numerous times on here, weeks and potentially months before they signed. Everything is very safe about Hibs, samey, expected and a bit meh.

Whole football department needs looked at. We’re becoming Aberdeen, plod along in league but implode on the big stage. We don’t have a footballing philosophy, a way of playing football. That’s hugely important to club cohesion - player recruitment and managerial appointments.

We were told that had been addressed when LD came in.

Remember the chat about putting ‘structures’ in place? She banged on about it often enough and we lapped it up.

There would be seamless transitions between managers and they would fit in to the Hibs way of things.

Going well eh!

[The Modfather]

Agreed. Hughes can definitely do a good job at a club in the short-term with strong motivational skills but that effect tends to plateau and he's not proven an ability to take a club on from that and his hard line approach can then send the club quickly into reverse.

After his comments about Hibs' fans not knowing what is going on he's hardly going to be welcomed back.

In Ross we have a steady if unspectacular manager and we're not on a terminal spiral of decline like we were with Lennon so the club have time to act. I'd only like to see us replace the manager if we can make a really good appointment - a real satrment of intent. None of the managers that have been mentioned fall into that category and a lot would be a big step back from Ross.



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Maybe we’re ready for a manager with the same ideals as the likes of Collins & Le Guen. We (and I think Scottish football to an extent) are more professional and interested in the lifestyle and sports science etc than previous decades. Maybe now is is the perfect time to get some ideas from the continent with the facilities they would now have available to them.

We seem to recruit managers from a very small bubble.

[Stuart93]

This is where I'm at too.

Got a lot of issues with jack Ross - style of play, terrible results in derbys and against Aberdeen. (Still think it's nonsense to include old firm games in this 'big games' chat when we've looked good and taken several points off of them this season)

But he's improved us, best manager we've had since McLeish at regularly beating the teams we should be beating in the league and has us 4th. Yeah we've got the 4th biggest budget but how often have we had the 4th or 5th biggest budget and came bottom 6. Plenty posters were saying in the summer we had a bottom 6 squad so you think they'd be delighted with 4th.

If we sack him here and get the appointment wrong could easily end up as a felon to butcher situation where an uninspiring manager who is actually doing okay is replaced by an absolute mess and we seriously regress.

Should give Ross to the end of season. If we come any lower than 4th sack him, and if next season our style of play and results in big games haven't improved then we should get rid imo.

His style of play alone is going to see us lose a lot of ST holders. If we finished 4th playing really exciting attacking football then fair enough but we’re absolutely horrible to watch.

4th is not an achievement this season. It’s just not. The money we’ve spent and the quality of the league in general is awful this year. There’s no decent Motherwell or killie team either to contend with.

I’d get shot of JR now and get someone in who can actually have us playing some exciting stuff because I’m bored to ****ing tears watching us just now.

Whenever we come up against a team of hard workers and a big fight we struggle. Last night was a complete embarrassment and our worst result at Hampden since 2012.

Hearts coming back up next season also and they’re only going to be stronger. They’ll only add to the games that JR and his team will bottle.

[KanyeWestLower]

Tommy Wright

Even worse than we have now

[Greenio]

His style of play alone is going to see us lose a lot of ST holders. If we finished 4th playing really exciting attacking football then fair enough but we’re absolutely horrible to watch.

4th is not an achievement this season. It’s just not. The money we’ve spent and the quality of the league in general is awful this year. There’s no decent Motherwell or killie team either to contend with.

I’d get shot of JR now and get someone in who can actually have us playing some exciting stuff because I’m bored to ****ing tears watching us just now.

Whenever we come up against a team of hard workers and a big fight we struggle. Last night was a complete embarrassment and our worst result at Hampden since 2012.

Hearts coming back up next season also and they’re only going to be stronger. They’ll only add to the games that JR and his team will bottle.

When was the last time you were happy with the continued employment of a Hibs manager because of all the 'exciting stuff' he was playing?

[WhileTheChief..]

So far on various threads I've seen folk wanting Stubbs, Hughes, Collins, Doolan. Only a matter of time before someone wants Neil Lennon back 😂 I'm so glad fans don't run the club. We'd end up back in the championship.

Ach you’re way too late with this post, I was saying I’d have Lennon back before the final whistle went :greengrin

[Stuart93]

When was the last time you were happy with the continued employment of a Hibs manager because of all the 'exciting stuff' he was playing?

I don’t see your point?

We were told by our previous CEO there’s going to be an ethos at the club and a certain way we can expect our teams to play football and they’ll recruit managers based on that. The only time we’ve had the recently was Lennon in the second half of that season.

[mcfly]

What a load of nonsense.

You dont sack a manager for losing big games. You sack them when they dont get you to the big games

I know its never good to lose, esp when it matters, but sober up, relax and get some perspective eh. This is knee jerk reaction to a tee

Nonsense.

This goes back to last season as well. A relegated hearts side hammered us at Easter road.

The guy is dull, boring and appears unable to sort out a weak mentality especially in defence, where the same mistakes happen week in week out.

The football is dull, boring, and predictable. He will drive fans away.

Other issue is recruitment, we are desperate for defenders but we must have 10 midfielders in the first team squad .

Malian gets a hard time from the fans, but he can cross a ball and shoots from distance. What has Boyle done this season?

Ron Gordon is a money man.....jack Ross must go

[Stuart93]

Nonsense.

This goes back to last season as well. A relegated hearts side hammered us at Easter road.

The guy is dull, boring and appears unable to sort out a weak mentality especially in defence, where the same mistakes happen week in week out.

The football is dull, boring, and predictable. He will drive fans away.

Other issue is recruitment, we are desperate for defenders but we must have 10 midfielders in the first team squad .

Malian gets a hard time from the fans, but he can cross a ball and shoots from distance. What has Boyle done this season?

Ron Gordon is a money man.....jack Ross must go

It would be some existence as a club to get to big games all the time of get humped in them all.

So that’s basically saying it’s fine we got pumped from St Johnstone in a big game last night because at least JR got us there?

What a load of *****

[Coco Bryce]

Dempster will be extremely glad she's away from the club now. Its gonna get very messy over the next few weeks.

[Greenio]

It would be some existence as a club to get to big games all the time of get humped in them all.

So that’s basically saying it’s fine we got pumped from St Johnstone in a big game last night because at least JR got us there?

What a load of *****

Never said it was fine. It's not, it's an awful result.

I'm saying calls to sack the manager are knee jerk and, when you look at the bigger picture of Ross' performance so far, wrong. IMO of course

[Key West]

Stevie Robinson would be a great appointment, if Jack Ross is not deemed good enough to take us forward.

[MWHIBBIES]

Stevie Robinson would be a great appointment, if Jack Ross is not deemed good enough to take us forward.

The bloke Motherwell just sacked?

He had a very good 4/5 months last season. Otherwise very average. Also literally never beat the old firm in a league match. He'd get more stick for big games than Ross does.

[hibbysam]

The bloke Motherwell just sacked?

He had a very good 4/5 months last season. Otherwise very average. Also literally never beat the old firm in a league match. He'd get more stick for big games than Ross does.

Pumped by us, pumped by Hamilton (their derby), pumped by the old firm.

[Diclonius]

I'd be very happy with Tommy Wright.

[Key West]

The bloke Motherwell just sacked?

He had a very good 4/5 months last season. Otherwise very average. Also literally never beat the old firm in a league match. He'd get more stick for big games than Ross does.


Finished 3rd last season, lost his best players.

[Since452]

I'd be very happy with Tommy Wright.

Hmm. There must be a reason no other club has touched him over the years

[Key West]

Took 7 points of Hearts in 3 games.

[madhatter]

Dempster will be extremely glad she's away from the club now. Its gonna get very messy over the next few weeks.

Suspect there will be discussions this coming week tbh. Jack Ross reacted terribly to being questioned on whether he would have done anything differently (made mistakes in hindsight) and I think that reaction is down to more than just being angry at the performance in last 35mins.

We capitulated worse than we did against Hearts. Players take responsibility for that as well but playing Irvine, Cadden, Allan and Magennis in such a big game is on Ross. 4 players that have virtually not kicked a ball in months. We played a formation we haven’t played at all as well.

Putting brand new players who are not match fit in to a brand new formation in a domestic cup semi final is absolutely ridiculous.

Contrary to popular opinion, we were average first half and shambolic second half. We dominated possession first half but beyond Murphy’s chance we hardly ripped them open. Irvine’s headers were actually from poor crosses...
First half was really a series of us losing possession and getting it back almost immediately. No real patterns of play, just St Johnstone were happy sitting in.

[Box 17]

Not sure there will be a vacancy in the short term, but if so:

Tommy Wright, very experienced with a proven track record and available now.

Sean Maloney if we want to go down the up and coming but taking a gamble route.

[Nicho87]

Stubbs. Should have got it when hecky did.

[madhatter]

We were told that had been addressed when LD came in.

Remember the chat about putting ‘structures’ in place? She banged on about it often enough and we lapped it up.

There would be seamless transitions between managers and they would fit in to the Hibs way of things.

Going well eh!

No chance has this been addressed. Heckingbottom, sign players from down south. Ross, sign St Mirren coaches, players and kit man. Thought we purposely moved from manager model to head coach so we could have stability in our signing ethos and playing style. Seems we change with every manager still.

Only consistency I’ve noticed is we keep signing tons of central midfielders for 2-3 positions.

[Silky]

Doesn't matter a f*** who the next manager is,the same folk will want him out within a few games.

I long for Hibs to appoint a manager who is given a decent length of time.

This 18 months to two years stints is getting us nowhere.

Your more successful clubs give managers a decent length of time.

I'm thinking along the same lines. Since winning the Scottish Cup we've been through 4 managers. That's almost one per year. It seems like we are always in "transition". In fact, it seems like we've been in transition for years.
Maybe we should change the remit a bit to just beating Hearts, getting to finals and playing attacking football. The rest, who cares!

[Callum_62]

How long do folk think it takes to rebuilt a squad?

I wonder it Ron Gordon is expecting us to be third this year as best of the rest or will be happy with a big jump in league position?

Is it really coming down to a handful of (admittedly really poor) games that we are seeing Ross getting punted?


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[coldingham hibs]

Hmm. There must be a reason no other club has touched him over the years

Wasn’t available to join a club until November 2020 due to agreement with St Johnstone regarding early termination of his contract. I believe. Perfect for the job, would definitely bring a bit passion.

[madhatter]

How long do folk think it takes to rebuilt a squad?

I wonder it Ron Gordon is expecting us to be third this year as best if the rest or will be happy with a big jump in league position?

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With sentiment? A considerable amount of time.

Is scraping 4th this season good? Hearts will be back next season, should we settle to scraping 5th then? If fans are back next season other clubs are likely to strengthen so now was best time to challenge for 3rd and win a cup. We’ve failed on cup and I doubt we’ll get 3rd. I suspect we’ll plod along and scrape 4th at best.

We’re already looking for excuses - bad pitches etc. Seen this so many times.

[J-C]

I would certainly give him a bit longer J-C.

He has improved us and I like most of his signings.

Can you or anyone else guarantee the next manager will be better?

As they say with investments, remember they can go down as well as up.

I know where you're coming for and I agree to an extent and no no one can guarantee the net manager will be a success. League position is exactly where we should be for this club fighting between 3rd and 4th but he's not made it easy to get in that position, some poor performances, hard to watch football and fans getting grumpier by the minute, add in to very winnable semi defeats and his coat must be on a shoogly peg right now.


We were told that had been addressed when LD came in.

Remember the chat about putting ‘structures’ in place? She banged on about it often enough and we lapped it up.

There would be seamless transitions between managers and they would fit in to the Hibs way of things.

Going well eh!

The structures were meant to be a style of play, a head coach who fitted that style and have 2 players for every position. It started off well south Stubbs but due to personal reasons he went back down south. Lennon offered his services and he was too good a name to turn down but he didn't buy into the head coach role and started treading on too many toes by bringing in his own players using his agent contacts and bypassing the scouting team. Eventually he stepped on Leeann's toes and her being his boss he had to go, leaving the squad in a mess and very unbalanced. Our biggest loss has been George Craig he was the heart beat at HTC and had a hell of an eye for a player and knew how to get them to sign for the club, Mathie is a glorified scout and is now being shown up a bit now.

We now have Ross and the scouting system has gone to pot, Wright who had a good half season on a free, Paul McGinn is a decent addition but he's still part of a poor defence in recent weeks, his brother is here cause he's mates with Ross, shocking decision. Then we have the panic buy of Magennis because we missed McCrorie, the lads just back from serious knee injury and we have no way of knowing if he'll ever get back to a decent level, as we've seen with Wright and Murphy when injuries take their toll. Who's idea was it give a 30 year old crock from Rangers a deal when his loan spell is done, another wage for the physio bench.

Our squad is now heavily unbalanced with 8 midfielders vying for 2 spaces, 3 wide right players and a left sided player who never uses his left foot, we have no CB's to put pressure on Hanlon or Porteous, Gray has been fit for weeks now but he refuses to play him even though we've played crap in recent weeks. Too many versatile players who can play various position but very few who are specialists in their own.

[Since452]

I know where you're coming for and I agree to an extent and no no one can guarantee the net manager will be a success. League position is exactly where we should be for this club fighting between 3rd and 4th but he's not made it easy to get in that position, some poor performances, hard to watch football and fans getting grumpier by the minute, add in to very winnable semi defeats and his coat must be on a shoogly peg right now.



The structures were meant to be a style of play, a head coach who fitted that style and have 2 players for every position. It started off well south Stubbs but due to personal reasons he went back down south. Lennon offered his services and he was too good a name to turn down but he didn't buy into the head coach role and started treading on too many toes by bringing in his own players using his agent contacts and bypassing the scouting team. Eventually he stepped on Leeann's toes and her being his boss he had to go, leaving the squad in a mess and very unbalanced. Our biggest loss has been George Craig he was the heart beat at HTC and had a hell of an eye for a player and knew how to get them to sign for the club, Mathie is a glorified scout and is now being shown up a bit now.

We now have Ross and the scouting system has gone to pot, Wright who had a good half season on a free, Paul McGinn is a decent addition but he's still part of a poor defence in recent weeks, his brother is here cause he's mates with Ross, shocking decision. Then we have the panic buy of Magennis because we missed McCrorie, the lads just back from serious knee injury and we have no way of knowing if he'll ever get back to a decent level, as we've seen with Wright and Murphy when injuries take their toll. Who's idea was it give a 30 year old crock from Rangers a deal when his loan spell is done, another wage for the physio bench.

Our squad is now heavily unbalanced with 8 midfielders vying for 2 spaces, 3 wide right players and a left sided player who never uses his left foot, we have no CB's to put pressure on Hanlon or Porteous, Gray has been fit for weeks now but he refuses to play him even though we've played crap in recent weeks. Too many versatile players who can play various position but very few who are specialists in their own.

When I saw the starting lineup yesterday I thought "wow that is a very good team". I thought we were going to batter them and it certainly looked like we were. The reaction to losing the goal was woeful though and clearly a mental thing now.

[BegbieHSC]

I want to give Ross more time, but after the two semis, and if we get turned over by the Huns midweek, and Aberdeen at the weekend, we’d end our chances of third and put us in a dog fight for 4th with Livi, I appreciate calls for him to go could become irresistible.

If that happened, and he was to go, I’d want a manager long-term, so someone fairly young. I know Damien Duff who’s just left the Ireland assistant job is pretty well thought of and highly rated, but the management might want someone more established.

The truth is, I don’t know who could replace JR, and I wouldn’t like to be one of the club’s decision makers if we do face the nightmare scenario of being turned over twice in the coming week.

[J-C]

When I saw the starting lineup yesterday I thought "wow that is a very good team". I thought we were going to batter them and it certainly looked like we were. The reaction to losing the goal was woeful though and clearly a mental thing now.


Been said before we have a soft centre and that's came about due to Daz and Gray getting older, Daz is still in and round but Gray has been tossed aside and rumours abound that he's soon away on loan. Is Ross using these 2 players to their fullest, sometimes new managers don't like senior players having too much influence but it's that drive and influence these 2 have that won us the cup in 2016. They were given longer deals to allow them to transition into either coaching or ambassadorial roles, Leeann's away now and she would have had a lot of influence. If Ross wants shot of the old guard he should be looking at replacing their drive and leadership which he as not done.