Boyle as a striker

[MWHIBBIES]

Yeah, hopefully the end of that disaster. He genuinely couldn't even play there in the championship never mind semi finals. I've been slaughted on here before for saying it (with the one example at Tynecastle being mentioned always) but seriously. Its clear as day. He is a dreadful striker. Ross has to see that.




He is a (very) one dimensional right winger. Nothing more.

[Unseen work]

We question his position every so often. Striker, winger or wing back.

Hes played all of them this season and has been very poor/quiet most games.

[MWHIBBIES]

We question his position every so often. Striker, winger or wing back.

Hes played all of them this season and has been very poor/quiet most games.

5 goals 8 assists this season isn't bad at all. He is a decent player. Just not up top.

[HH81]

Not sure what has happened to him.

He needs dropping. Not good enough.

[Itsnoteasy]

5 goals 8 assists this season isn't bad at all. He is a decent player. Just not up top.

Hundreds of set pieces & can't get passed 1st man.

[hibbysam]

5 goals 8 assists this season isn't bad at all. He is a decent player. Just not up top.

Totally agree, best right winger, stop ****ing about with that. If we’re two up top then it’s Nisbet and Doidge.

[Blaster]

Yeah, hopefully the end of that disaster. He genuinely couldn't even play there in the championship never mind semi finals. I've been slaughted on here before for saying it (with the one example at Tynecastle being mentioned always) but seriously. Its clear as day. He is a dreadful striker. Ross has to see that.




He is a (very) one dimensional right winger. Nothing more.

We played better when he was up top and not on the wing. Our starting team formation was correct. Poor finishing and a porteous error spoiled a very good first half performance

We change shape when bringing on Doidge who was very poor and went back to long balls

[hibee-boys]

His pace was his main assets, he seems to have lost that so is now just a very limited footballer I’m afraid with zero composure in the final 3rd.

[MWHIBBIES]

We played better when he was up top and not on the wing. Our starting team formation was correct. Poor finishing and a porteous error spoiled a very good first half performance

We change shape when bringing on Doidge who was very poor and went back to long balls

The formation was correct. Boyle still offered nothing, though. Doidge starts, cadden out, Boyle wide right and we're a better side. Doidge should've been first name on teamsheet for defending dead balls if nothing else.

[Nakedmanoncrack]

Is that what he was supposed to be?

[Hiber-nation]

It's even more worrying to think he now has 2 inferior players in competition for the right midfield slot. Boyle has to play there, even in a 3-5-2. It makes no sense whatsoever.

[Hibees1973]

Boyle sums Hibs up.

Unpredictable, inconsistent, liable to go missing in big games.

Not the kind of player to put a lot of faith in.

He is good sometimes which is the reason why he is at Hibs.

[CMurdoch]

The formation was correct. Boyle still offered nothing, though. Doidge starts, cadden out, Boyle wide right and we're a better side. Doidge should've been first name on teamsheet for defending dead balls if nothing else.

Doidge for Cadden and Hallberg for Gogic would have given us more threat up front, more capability to defend set pieces and the ability to take a decent set piece. Boyles set pieces were poor but that wasn't a surprise. Just not his thing.

[cabbageandribs1875]

His pace was his main assets, he seems to have lost that so is now just a very limited footballer I’m afraid with zero composure in the final 3rd.


i remember saying to a mate at a game a few seasons back exactly that, when he loses his pace well, i'm not sure what else he will bring, i'm sure he will score again though

[Blaster]

The formation was correct. Boyle still offered nothing, though. Doidge starts, cadden out, Boyle wide right and we're a better side. Doidge should've been first name on teamsheet for defending dead balls if nothing else.

Don’t completely disagree with you but we can’t play Doidge because he’s good at defending set pieces. He’s been poor for the last 2 months as a striker

[Andy74]

Don’t completely disagree with you but we can’t play Doidge because he’s good at defending set pieces. He’s been poor for the last 2 months as a striker

He’s not really. He scored a few in December. Might have gone through a spell not scoring but we generally play better with him in the team. Nothing wrong with his overall play.

I think we’d have had a better few weeks if we hadn’t dropped him. We rarely play well with the 1 or the 3 up front.

[Blaster]

He’s not really. He scored a few in December. Might have gone through a spell not scoring but we generally play better with him in the team. Nothing wrong with his overall play.

I think we’d have had a better few weeks if we hadn’t dropped him. We rarely play well with the 1 or the 3 up front.

We get overrun in midfield when he plays, especially 4-4-2. To be honest Andy I’m so fed up tonight I’ve now no idea what’s for the best!

[Chorley Hibee]

Boyle has been Scottish Championship material most weeks this entire season.

Rarely beats a man, crosses inevitably hit the first man, can barely lift a set-piece a foot off the ground.

Another one who isn't half as good as he thinks he is.

[Andy74]

We get overrun in midfield when he plays, especially 4-4-2. To be honest Andy I’m so fed up tonight I’ve now no idea what’s for the best!

We’ve done well with 442 a lot this season but it does depend who you play in there.

352 gives you the 2 up and allows a 3 in the middle but then you have to be looking at not playing other players like Murphy or Boyle.

Main issue is we are trying all these things and sometimes in the same game.

[Winston Ingram]

Boyle is our one of our best players when used wide of a front 3. He’s an average centre forward, average wingback and barely meets the standard of a professional footballer on the left.

The poor bassa is played in different position every week and people are wondering why his form has dropped off����*♂️

[Borderhibbie76]

Boyle is our one of our best players when used wide of a front 3. He’s an average centre forward, average wingback and barely meets the standard of a professional footballer on the left.

The poor bassa is played in different position every week and people are wondering why his form has dropped off����*♂️

No matter where he plays hes been poor pretty much since he signed that new deal...2 dreadful performances at Hampden when we needed him most. Is nowhere near as good as he thinks he is...starting to wish we had sold him when we had the chance tbh

[Highwayman]

Here’s a question for all the Boyle slagging brigade.How would you like to turn up for your work and be physically assaulted by being kicked up and down the place and the authorities doing nothing or little about it.Don’t think you’d put up with it for long.At present the opposition identify Boyle as Hibs main danger and deal with it accordingly.Until we have players who can take the pressure of Boyle and put it on the opposition,not much is going to change.

[Logie Green]

Doidge for Cadden and Hallberg for Gogic would have given us more threat up front, more capability to defend set pieces and the ability to take a decent set piece. Boyles set pieces were poor but that wasn't a surprise. Just not his thing.

If it’s generally accepted that Boyle is better on the wing than up front surely he should be able to cross a ball, which is basically what a ‘set piece’ is?

[hibbysam]

If it’s generally accepted that Boyle is better on the wing than up front surely he should be able to cross a ball, which is basically what a ‘set piece’ is?

Boyles main strength is hitting the bye line and cutting it back, or his wicked low and hard whipped ball between defence and keeper. Free kicks and corners are entirely different. Strange but not many players in world football are comfortable taking set pieces, hence why it’s quite specialist. We really missed Mallan, Hallberg or Newell’s delivery today.

[Bishop Hibee]

5 goals 8 assists this season isn't bad at all. He is a decent player. Just not up top.

He’s a good player and has been decent this season. I can’t understand why Ross put him through the middle in such a big game. Boyle makes McGinn a better player when he plays in front of him.

[wookie70]

Don’t completely disagree with you but we can’t play Doidge because he’s good at defending set pieces. He’s been poor for the last 2 months as a striker
Boyle has been poor for longer that that.

Boyle being high on the right makes Paul McGinn a much better attacker as he has room to move into. Playing Cadden was a risk tonight and didn't work. We had next to no attacking threat down the right.

[Logie Green]

Boyles main strength is hitting the bye line and cutting it back, or his wicked low and hard whipped ball between defence and keeper. Free kicks and corners are entirely different. Strange but not many players in world football are comfortable taking set pieces, hence why it’s quite specialist. We really missed Mallan, Hallberg or Newell’s delivery today.

He should be capable of doing both, his contribution tonight was very poor.

[IberianHibernian]

Boyle has been Scottish Championship material most weeks this entire season.

Rarely beats a man, crosses inevitably hit the first man, can barely lift a set-piece a foot off the ground.

Another one who isn't half as good as he thinks he is.Not sure about your last comment as he`s never seemed to show any arrogance and think he has a good attitude . In fact he`s always seemed to me to be a player that has done well with us because he`s made a great effort to make the most of his strengths ( his pace principally ) and worked on his weaknesses ( his finishing for example ) . But , like several others , his best performances were in matches when whole team was playing well in that magic spell in 2018 . In earlier seasons he wa playing in a lower division just as he was when we signed him .

[Alfred E Newman]

If it’s generally accepted that Boyle is better on the wing than up front surely he should be able to cross a ball, which is basically what a ‘set piece’ is?

John Collins on the radio was harping on about that when the score was still 0-0. Said he couldn't understand why both Boyle and Murphy were not playing wide given the way Saints were set up.

[MrRobot]

Not sure about your last comment as he`s never seemed to show any arrogance and think he has a good attitude . In fact he`s always seemed to me to be a player that has done well with us because he`s made a great effort to make the most of his strengths ( his pace principally ) and worked on his weaknesses ( his finishing for example ) . But , like several others , his best performances were in matches when whole team was playing well in that magic spell in 2018 . In earlier seasons he wa playing in a lower division just as he was when we signed him .

He was talking before the semi against hearts about playing at a higher level than us which wasn’t long after signing his contract.

[hibbysam]

He should be capable of doing both, his contribution tonight was very poor.

Like I said, very few players consistently take great set pieces, especially if you aren’t the regular set piece taker then it’s not something you will work on constantly.

[IberianHibernian]

Boyle has been poor for longer that that.

Boyle being high on the right makes Paul McGinn a much better attacker as he has room to move into. Playing Cadden was a risk tonight and didn't work. We had next to no attacking threat down the right.Good points . Boyle has not made a significant contribution in many matches since coming back from injury a couple of seasons ago . He`s a great player to have as a sub against tiring defenders but has yet to prove he`s good enough to start in a Hibs team trying to seriously challenge for a high position in league ( top 2 ) as a winger or striker .

[hibbysam]

Good points . Boyle has not made a significant contribution in many matches since coming back from injury a couple of seasons ago . He`s a great player to have as a sub against tiring defenders but has yet to prove he`s good enough to start in a Hibs team trying to seriously challenge for a high position in league ( top 2 ) as a winger or striker .

Are there many other wingers in the league with better stats than him? Something like 5 goals 8 assists in January. A goal contribution every 2 games. I’d say that’s a decent enough contribution.

[matty_f]

Boyle up front was not the right choice today, imho.

I think it lessened Boyle’s impact and took Nisbet out the game.

[wookie70]

Are there many other wingers in the league with better stats than him? Something like 5 goals 8 assists in January. A goal contribution every 2 games. I’d say that’s a decent enough contribution.

He has had a pretty lean time with a run of 8 games with only a single assist. He was chipping in regularly before that but imo wasn't playing to his own high standards. Perhaps that thick head of hair has ruined his aero dynamics as he doesn't look to have quite the same zip as before. Some of that was form but some of it was teams doubling up. I think that is the main reason McGinn got some goals and became a bigger attacking threat.

[hibbysam]

He has had a pretty lean time with a run of 8 games with only a single assist. He was chipping in regularly before that but imo wasn't playing to his own high standards. Perhaps that thick head of hair has ruined his aero dynamics as he doesn't look to have quite the same zip as before. Some of that was form but some of it was teams doubling up. I think that is the main reason McGinn got some goals and became a bigger attacking threat.

And an even bigger reason that we need a fit and firing left winger (if Murphy can get a run of games) and Scott Allan back in the hole, so that when Boyle is marked/kicked/pulled out the game, the gaps appear for the rest of the team.

[Stuart93]

He should’ve dropped boyle and had nisbet and doidge up top

Or started boyle at RWB. Didn’t get him starting cadden tonight at all & the boy looked lost

[lucky]

Boyle is an extremely limited footballer but has real pace. His first touch is generally a tackle. He’s not a striker. He’s winger who will be inconsistent and frustrating that’s why he’s at Hibs. But what’s unforgivable is putting him on set pieces, I can’t think of many players who have worst delivery of a dead ball. The only way he should be in the team is when we play 3 up top. The rest of the time he should come of the bench.

[Logie Green]

Like I said, very few players consistently take great set pieces, especially if you aren’t the regular set piece taker then it’s not something you will work on constantly.

So based on last night’s evidence we’ve got a winger that can’t take corners.

[hibbysam]

So based on last night’s evidence we’ve got a winger that can’t take corners.

Indeed. We’ve got 3 or 4 set piece specialists in our squad and none of them played last night.

[Logie Green]

Indeed. We’ve got 3 or 4 set piece specialists in our squad and none of them played last night.

I think we’ll have to agree that our expectations of what a winger should be able to do differ.

[hibbysam]

I think we’ll have to agree that our expectations of what a winger should be able to do differ.

Taking a set piece isn’t the same as putting crosses in in open play. The position is different, the set up is different, there is a reason that clubs only ever use the same players to take set pieces. Players get better at set piece delivery by practicing over and over again, if you aren’t the regular 3/4 takers then you aren’t going to be practicing them. When signing a winger, the last question I’d be asking is ‘can he take a set piece’.

[Logie Green]

Taking a set piece isn’t the same as putting crosses in in open play. The position is different, the set up is different, there is a reason that clubs only ever use the same players to take set pieces. Players get better at set piece delivery by practicing over and over again, if you aren’t the regular 3/4 takers then you aren’t going to be practicing them. When signing a winger, the last question I’d be asking is ‘can he take a set piece’.

I know it’s different but the principle is the same; get the ball into he box so that others can get on the end if it.

I find it incredible that you think that a winger who has played football at International level is not expected to be able to cross the ball from a set piece as it’s usually done by someone else.

As I said we’ll have to disagree over expectations. I’ll leave it at that.

[Ozyhibby]

Boyle is a speedster who appears to be losing his pace. That happens to most of them at this age. It’s like watching Sproule in his second stint at Hibs. If he can be moved on for a few then we should because his pace isn’t coming back and without it there isn’t a lot there.


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[MWHIBBIES]

Boyle is a speedster who appears to be losing his pace. That happens to most of them at this age. It’s like watching Sproule in his second stint at Hibs. If he can be moved on for a few then we should because his pace isn’t coming back and without it there isn’t a lot there.


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Most quick players lose pace at 27? what?

I don't think he losing any pace. He is just not using his brain and neither is the gaffer by playing him up top.

[JohnM1875]

Most quick players lose pace at 27? what?

I don't think he losing any pace. He is just not using his brain and neither is the gaffer by playing him up top.

He has without a doubt lost some pace. Its clear to see. Don't think it's surprising giving his injuries the past few seasons.

He also looks scared to run at players now.

[Largshibby]

Don’t completely disagree with you but we can’t play Doidge because he’s good at defending set pieces. He’s been poor for the last 2 months as a striker

We could play him as a centre half instead of Hanlon. Good in the air and more aggressive.

[Lago]

Not sure what has happened to him.

He needs dropping. Not good enough.

Something far wrong, his corners yesterday were absolutely pathetic, mis hit sclaffs at knee height.

[Billy Whizz]

With Cadden excelling in the right wing back role, I wonder if Jack will use Boyler more up front, or on the left