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theonlywayisup

17-01-2021, 06:42 PM

Thought he deserved a thread of his own!

Looks like he's planning some changes already, repealing some of Trump's legislation:

A US return to the Paris climate agreement - the global pact on cutting carbon emissions
Repealing the controversial travel ban on mostly Muslim-majority countries
Mandating the wearing of masks on federal property and when travelling interstate
An extension to nationwide restrictions on evictions and foreclosures due to the pandemic

Future17

17-01-2021, 07:55 PM

Lendo

19-01-2021, 08:17 AM

Bring the Iran deal back on to the table and repair the damage done hopefully.

Keith_M

19-01-2021, 08:42 AM

I'm glad to see he's planning on re-joining the Paris Climate agreement, but we all know that when the next Republican takes office, they'll immediately withdraw from it.

I'd imagine the same thing will apply to any attempt to make an agreement with Iran. The Gulf States and Israel don't want the US cosying up to Iran, so will use all their influence (which is considerable) to do a Trump and withdraw from it.

The sad fact is that the US is one seriously messed up country

Betty Boop

19-01-2021, 09:21 AM

Biden doesn't have a progressive bone in his body, he is a dedicated servant of the military industrial complex.

Tobias Funke

19-01-2021, 05:02 PM

Biden doesn't have a progressive bone in his body, he is a dedicated servant of the military industrial complex.

Oh well. Pity the insurrection attempt failed, we could have had another couple of decades of Trump at the helm. :rolleyes:

G B Young

19-01-2021, 05:59 PM

Biden doesn't have a progressive bone in his body, he is a dedicated servant of the military industrial complex.

I don't know enough about him to comment on that, but from the little I've seen/read about him he seems distinctly underwhelming. However, he's not Trump which is a start. However, The Democrats seemed to spend most of Trump's tenure getting themselves in such a lather about him that they all but forgot to drum up a half decent candidate to replace him.

Biden's quite fortuitous (for want of a better word) that the pandemic came along as it was Trump's abysmal handling of that which was his undoing. Otherwise I think he'd have been returned to office fairly comfortably.

BroxburnHibee

19-01-2021, 06:49 PM

Hasn't he already said signing back up to the Paris accord would happen immediately? Perhaps even day 1.

I would expect to see something done about these poor children that have been separated from their families too.

I suspect he will hand over power to Kamala eventually as long as he keeps good health.

Will he fancy running for re-election? He'll be 82 by then. I suspect not.

Glory Lurker

19-01-2021, 07:10 PM

All well and good, but it's hardly sticking £25 in the Hampden £100k fund, is it?

BroxburnHibee

19-01-2021, 07:12 PM

All well and good, but it's hardly sticking £25 in the Hampden £100k fund, is it?

Eh?

Glory Lurker

19-01-2021, 07:20 PM

Eh?

Was just suggesting Biden's good plans aren't as worthy as contributing to the HSL fund. It was supposed to be a joke. One day I'll crack a funny one.

Sorry. As you were.

EI255

19-01-2021, 09:26 PM

Wonder if Ron is a Democrat?

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Smartie

20-01-2021, 07:12 AM

Wonder if Ron is a Democrat?

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Ron was rampaging through the capitol on the 6th.

But we daren’t say or do anything about it or he’ll grass on us all for being on the pitch at Hampden.

Pretty Boy

20-01-2021, 07:37 AM

Wonder if Ron is a Democrat?

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He is, or at least was.

There was an article recently about the politics of the American owners in Scottish football and RG was listed among the donors to John Kerry's presidential campaign. I can't remember if it was Cormack at Aberdeen or the guy at Dundee Utd that was the enthusiastic Trump fan.

Pretty Boy

20-01-2021, 07:40 AM

Biden doesn't have a progressive bone in his body, he is a dedicated servant of the military industrial complex.

He doesn't have to be progressive.

If he can shift the US back from the precipice Trump has taken it to both domestically and internationally then he will have served his purpose.

The Centre right-right, corporate, neo Liberal position of the Democrats and Biden is far from appealing to me but it's a hell of a lot better than the alternative we have witnessed for the last 4 years.

Hibbyradge

20-01-2021, 09:07 AM

I don't know enough about him to comment on that, but from the little I've seen/read about him he seems distinctly underwhelming. However, he's not Trump which is a start. However, The Democrats seemed to spend most of Trump's tenure getting themselves in such a lather about him that they all but forgot to drum up a half decent candidate to replace him.

Biden's quite fortuitous (for want of a better word) that the pandemic came along as it was Trump's abysmal handling of that which was his undoing. Otherwise I think he'd have been returned to office fairly comfortably.

I think the Democrats did just fine choosing Biden.

To beat the incumbent president by a landslide and secure more votes than any other candidate in history doesn't strike me as underwhelming.

I wish him the very best of luck. He's going to need it with the alt-right invigorated as they are.

Hibbyradge

20-01-2021, 09:16 AM

He doesn't have to be progressive.

If he can shift the US back from the precipice Trump has taken it to both dromesticallh and internationally then he will have served his purpose.

The Centre right-right, corporate, neo Liberal position of the Democrats and Biden is far from appealing to me but it's a hell of a lot better than the alternative we have witnessed for the last 4 years.

This is exactly my view and it highlights the magical thinking of the left across the globe.

Unless he's an out and out radical socialist, he's not worth supporting.

We see the same nonsense about the Labour Party in the UK.

For me, any progress towards equality and social justice is to be lauded whereas it's all or nothing for the left.

I'll never forget my feelings of disgust after being told by two "caring socialists" that they'd actually prefer the Tories to Tony Blair or folk like him.

Rant over. Sorry for the hi-jack.

Keith_M

20-01-2021, 09:24 AM

I think the Democrats did just fine choosing Biden.

To beat the incumbent president by a landslide and secure more votes than any other candidate in history doesn't strike me as underwhelming.

I wish him the very best of luck. He's going to need it with the alt-right invigorated as they are.

They didn't vote for Biden, they voted against Trump. I think most of them would have voted for a monkey if it got Trump out of office.

That doesn't make Biden any less underwhelming.

JimBHibees

20-01-2021, 09:44 AM

I don't know enough about him to comment on that, but from the little I've seen/read about him he seems distinctly underwhelming. However, he's not Trump which is a start. However, The Democrats seemed to spend most of Trump's tenure getting themselves in such a lather about him that they all but forgot to drum up a half decent candidate to replace him.

Biden's quite fortuitous (for want of a better word) that the pandemic came along as it was Trump's abysmal handling of that which was his undoing. Otherwise I think he'd have been returned to office fairly comfortably.

Not so sure he got fortunate as Trump voters were voting for him whatever however what Trumps actions did were to galvanise people to vote against him.

overdrive

20-01-2021, 10:12 AM

He is, or at least was.

There was an article recently about the politics of the American owners in Scottish football and RG was listed among the donors to John Kerry's presidential campaign. I can't remember if it was Cormack at Aberdeen or the guy at Dundee Utd that was the enthusiastic Trump fan.

It was the guy at Dundee Utd.

Cormack doesn’t seem to donate money to any political party but the other American on their board is a Democrat.

Keith_M

20-01-2021, 10:20 AM

I'd imagine the boards of most (major) football clubs in the UK are made up of people who vote Tory, so I think it's a dangerous route to start asking about their political allegiance.

Given the apparent political views of the people who vote on this board, we might find out something rather upsetting if we start asking too many questions.

:wink:

marinello59

20-01-2021, 10:51 AM

Renfrew_Hibby

20-01-2021, 10:55 AM

Jim44

20-01-2021, 11:01 AM

Biden will return decently, honesty, empathy and compassion to mainstream politics in America. It’s remarkable that we need somebody to do that at all but if that’s all he does then the world will seem a better place. Seeing Kamala Harris inaugurated as Vice-President today is equally as remarkable.
I’m taking the rest of the day off from any negatives and am going to enjoy what is going to feel like a very good day. :thumbsup:

:agree: You might initially think that Trump’s absence from the inauguration ceremony would be a significant break from tradition but I think his tantrum should be applauded in that it removes the toxic smell from what should be a rebirth of American political health.

G B Young

20-01-2021, 11:45 AM

Not so sure he got fortunate as Trump voters were voting for him whatever however what Trumps actions did were to galvanise people to vote against him.

I agree to an extent but I still think the pandemic was what swung things decisively due to the fact his haphazard (to put it mildly) approach almost certainly cost a great deal more damage to the country than necessary. Prior to that he could have rode on a ticket of a booming economy/record employment and would likely have seen off Biden pretty comfortably.

RyeSloan

20-01-2021, 12:42 PM

They didn't vote for Biden, they voted against Trump. I think most of them would have voted for a monkey if it got Trump out of office.

That doesn't make Biden any less underwhelming.

Loving the lack of humility in you knowingly stating why 81.2m Americans voted the way they did! [emoji2957]

That said I get your point re Trump being rather divisive and thus any opposition candidate would get the ‘anyone but Trump’ vote.

But I think you are doing Biden a bit of a bit of a dis-service and I’m sure all those who worked tirelessly on his campaign would agree with me (yup all of them...I know them all well [emoji2957]).

FWIW I think Biden actually did very well in the campaign. He never stooped to Trumps level despite huge provocation and seemed to place himself exactly where he needed to in order to attract the required votes beyond those that were going to vote for him anyway.

In the end it doesn’t really matter. The job was to get that clown out of the White House and it is, thankfully, job done on that front.

hibsbollah

20-01-2021, 01:15 PM

Bernie
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/jan/20/joe-biden-action-bernie-sanders

ronaldo7

20-01-2021, 01:21 PM

A few Tories have sat on the Celtic board in recent times...
Much to the disgust of the green brigade mob and fans of their ilk.

They even had a few Lords. :greengrin

JimBHibees

20-01-2021, 01:56 PM

Bernie
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/jan/20/joe-biden-action-bernie-sanders

Tremendous wish he was president

JimBHibees

20-01-2021, 01:58 PM

I agree to an extent but I still think the pandemic was what swung things decisively due to the fact his haphazard (to put it mildly) approach almost certainly cost a great deal more damage to the country than necessary. Prior to that he could have rode on a ticket of a booming economy/record employment and would likely have seen off Biden pretty comfortably.

Fair point

Jones28

20-01-2021, 02:10 PM

Biden doesn't have a progressive bone in his body, he is a dedicated servant of the military industrial complex.

This election was just about getting Trump out; almost anything is an upgrade.

Hibrandenburg

20-01-2021, 02:10 PM

Band now playing God save the Queen. That should piss off a few patriot boys. :faf:

gbhibby

20-01-2021, 02:43 PM

Looked like Ann Budge is there wearing her puffa coat.

Hibbyradge

20-01-2021, 03:50 PM

Tears in my eyes

BroxburnHibee

20-01-2021, 03:50 PM

Tears in my eyes

Mine too.

bigwheel

20-01-2021, 03:52 PM

Mine too.

Make that three

Northernhibee

20-01-2021, 04:02 PM

He's striking absolutely the right tone here. Presidential.

ACLeith

20-01-2021, 04:05 PM

That ceremony has washed over me in the past, just pomp. But not this time, it really means something. Byden is an impressive speaker but now his biggest challenge starts. Good luck!

RyeSloan

20-01-2021, 04:12 PM

Powerful stuff from Biden.

Couldn’t contrast more to Trump.

Let’s hope he manages to engender his nation to meet the ideals he has laid out today.

Peanut Shaz

20-01-2021, 04:13 PM

At last someone who looks, sounds and speaks like a true Statesman. He has a huge job on his hands but listening to him, I have every faith he will heal the divides.

Hibbyradge

20-01-2021, 04:39 PM

Make that three

You've got 3 eyes? Trump supporter or Jambo?

Both maybe?

marinello59

20-01-2021, 04:54 PM

Amanda Gorman’s poetry and delivery of it caught the mood perfectly. That deserves to be seen again and again.

AltheHibby

20-01-2021, 05:12 PM

Trump saying he'll be back. I would imagine that will seal his conviction in the Senate.

46's inauguration was well worth watching to see what leadership looks and sounds like.

Keith_M

20-01-2021, 05:16 PM

Loving the lack of humility in you knowingly stating why 81.2m Americans voted the way they did!....

I don't really understand where that's coming from. I'm merely stating the obvious, that Biden's biggest quality is that he's not Trump.

If he actually does something good over the next four years and doesn't live down to my expectations as being one of the tired old elite minority that panders to the rich and powerful, then I'll happily applaud that.

So far he's said the right things but Actions are more important than Words.

Liberal Hibby

20-01-2021, 05:19 PM

This is exactly my view and it highlights the magical thinking of the left across the globe.

Unless he's an out and out radical socialist, he's not worth supporting.

We see the same nonsense about the Labour Party in the UK.

For me, any progress towards equality and social justice is to be lauded whereas it's all or nothing for the left.

I'll never forget my feelings of disgust after being told by two "caring socialists" that they'd actually prefer the Tories to Tony Blair or folk like him.

Rant over. Sorry for the hi-jack.

Exactly.

hibsbollah

20-01-2021, 05:21 PM

Powerful stuff from Biden.

Couldn’t contrast more to Trump.

Let’s hope he manages to engender his nation to meet the ideals he has laid out today.

He borrowed a lot from Obama’s inauguration speech. He’s less relaxed and laconic but all the same unity themes ‘not red and blue states, just the United States’. That’s a great speech. I just hope the reaching out to the other side doesn’t go too far...

Executive orders recommitting the US to the Paris accords, repealing travel ban from Muslim nations, and mandatory mask wearing. Big stuff in his first day.

BroxburnHibee

20-01-2021, 06:03 PM

I thought it was a great speech and set a good tone going forward.

CMurdoch

20-01-2021, 06:37 PM

A great 1st day for the new guy in an insane angry country.
Meanwhile Mad Mad Jack McMad off to Florida leaving chaos and death behind.

hibsbollah

20-01-2021, 08:22 PM

Amanda Gorman’s poetry and delivery of it caught the mood perfectly. That deserves to be seen again and again.

Oh my goodness, I’ve just watched that now. Incredible, it really had a ‘I Have a Dream’-type power in just 6 minutes.

RyeSloan

20-01-2021, 08:50 PM

Oh my goodness, I’ve just watched that now. Incredible, it really had a ‘I Have a Dream’-type power in just 6 minutes.

Yeah was really something else wasn’t it.

22 years old she is. Amazing.

hibsbollah

20-01-2021, 09:18 PM

lapsedhibee

20-01-2021, 09:20 PM

Laura Kuennsberg assisting the pretence that Boris is pleased about Biden coming in. It’s patently nonsense and she knows it is. Biden and his team remember the ‘he’s a Kenyan so he hates Britain’ Spectator column. The Biden team think he’s a clown. Robert Reich made that clear.
A shape-shifting, creepy clown.

hibsbollah

20-01-2021, 09:24 PM

A shape-shifting, creepy clown.

We all float, down here, Boris....
:clown:

007

20-01-2021, 11:49 PM

Oh my goodness, I’ve just watched that now. Incredible, it really had a ‘I Have a Dream’-type power in just 6 minutes.

For a brief moment I thought you meant this:https://youtu.be/gmzDOqUdu8A
😀
But yes, you are right, very powerful. A very impressive young lady.

CloudSquall

21-01-2021, 02:41 AM

bigwheel

21-01-2021, 06:21 AM

lapsedhibee

21-01-2021, 07:06 AM

I get the enthusiasm over the end of the Trump era but some of the reaction is OTT and borderline cringetastic.

Grown men in tears, I mean c'mon...

Words matter. He didn't write it, but what came out of Biden's mouth yesterday was, for many, a welcome change from "maga" and "er, um, **** business".

Hibbyradge

21-01-2021, 08:45 AM

https://mobile.twitter.com/yanisvaroufakis/status/1351946759363325952

Yanis Varouflakis sums up my feelings.

I get the enthusiasm over the end of the Trump era but some of the reaction is OTT and borderline cringetastic.

Grown men in tears, I mean c'mon...

It was an extremely moving event. Being emotional that the first woman and first black and South Asian American was elected to VP is hardly cringe worthy, imo.

And I couldn't care less about Biden's lack of socialist credentials. The alt-right have been beaten and the nightmare that Trump brought the world is over.

Add to that the backdrop of the need for thousands of armed troops to protect the democratic process because of the actions of the previous incumbent and his terrorist supporters.

If that lot's not good enough for a few tears of happiness then you'll be waiting a long time to experience them in politics.

Hibrandenburg

21-01-2021, 09:05 AM

The alt-right have been beaten and the nightmare that Trump brought the world is over.

I believe that less this morning than I did yesterday. After hearing Biden striking conciliatory tones in his comments about Trump, it seems less likely that he will be held accountable for his actions over the last 4 years. If history has shown us one thing, then it's that fascism needs to be destroyed, otherwise it will grow like cancer.

AltheHibby

21-01-2021, 09:05 AM

Bostonhibby

21-01-2021, 09:08 AM

A shape-shifting, creepy clown.So is Boris.

Keunsberg is his go to interviewer, she seems in awe of him at times.

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lapsedhibee

21-01-2021, 09:10 AM

The alt-right have been beaten and the nightmare that Trump brought the world is over.

Hope so, but the Trump fans interviewed on Ch4 News yesterday were pretty clear that Biden is a commie who must be destroyed if America is to survive.

Hibbyradge

21-01-2021, 09:15 AM

I believe that less this morning than I did yesterday. After hearing Biden striking conciliatory tones in his comments about Trump, it seems less likely that he will be held accountable for his actions over the last 4 years. If history has shown us one thing, then it's that fascism needs to be destroyed, otherwise it will grow like cancer.

Oh I agree, they haven't gone away, they never will, and will continue to be a substantial threat for many years.

However, they were beaten yesterday and that's a great relief. Biden struck the correct tone, imo.

His staunch defence of democracy and his hopes for unity was were better messages than attacks on Trump and the far right. Most people who voted for Trump are not fascists. He doesn't want to polarise them so his message had to appeal to those on the losing side, possibly more than to his own supporters.

Hibbyradge

21-01-2021, 09:17 AM

Hope so, but the Trump fans interviewed on Ch4 News yesterday were pretty clear that Biden is a commie who must be destroyed if America is to survive.

Losers don't change their views because they were beaten.

AltheHibby

21-01-2021, 09:31 AM

Hope so, but the Trump fans interviewed on Ch4 News yesterday were pretty clear that Biden is a commie who must be destroyed if America is to survive.

They also think that Canada is a Marxist state.

Bostonhibby

21-01-2021, 09:40 AM

They also think that Canada is a Marxist state.Maybe they should give all their money to that nice Steve Bannon guy so he can start building a wall on the border with Canada.

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lapsedhibee

21-01-2021, 09:50 AM

Losers don't change their views because they were beaten.

They won. By a lot.

BroxburnHibee

21-01-2021, 09:53 AM

Hibbyradge

21-01-2021, 09:54 AM

They won. By a lot.

I think we're getting somewhere.

Losers don't change their views just because they won. BY A LOT.

Is that better?

lapsedhibee

21-01-2021, 09:57 AM

Apparently Biden cares more about the people of Paris than the people of Pittsburgh!

Paris is in Cruz's state. I saw it in a movie. What's he whining about?

BroxburnHibee

21-01-2021, 09:59 AM

Paris is in Cruz's state. I saw it in a movie. What's he whining about?

:tee hee:

Hibbyradge

21-01-2021, 10:00 AM

I notice Ted Cruz has already started trying to round up his followers for his assault on the Biden presidency.

Apparently Biden cares more about the people of Paris than the people of Pittsburgh!

Straight out the MAGA handbook that one.

Attacks on Biden are to be expected and are natural in politics. I'm pretty sure the Democrats attacked Trump's actions from the off 4 years ago.

However, the crass Paris v Pittsburgh comment either shows the ignorance of Cruz, or the way he views the intelligence of Trump supporters.

Hibernia&Alba

21-01-2021, 10:07 AM

In addition to re-joining the Paris Climate Agreement, Biden is also immediately re-entering the USA into the World Health Organisation. That's instant progress.

I noticed that, as he was signing his first executive orders yesterday, he had a bust of the late Cesar Chavez behind him, leader of the American Farmworkers Union, civil rights activist and socialist. Fox News will go berserk :greengrin

lapsedhibee

21-01-2021, 10:28 AM

I noticed that, as he was signing his first executive orders yesterday, he had a bust of the late Cesar Chavez behind him, leader of the American Farmworkers Union, civil rights activist and socialist. Fox News will go berserk :greengrin

Bad choice, as some news networks were reporting that faulty vote-counting systems in the election, which Trump won, were designed by someone called Chavez. Just ever so slight a chance that the two will get muddled in patriots' 'minds'.

Keith_M

21-01-2021, 10:55 AM

Bad choice, as some news networks were reporting that faulty vote-counting systems in the election, which Trump won, were designed by someone called Chavez. Just ever so slight a chance that the two will get muddled in patriots' 'minds'.

You mean they're not the same person?

:confused:

Hibbyradge

21-01-2021, 01:08 PM

I'm not sure this is the correct thread, but it's linked so not a total hijack;

https://twitter.com/SamCoatesSky/status/1351965076073426944?s=09

superfurryhibby

21-01-2021, 01:16 PM

Some of my family members are working themselves up into a right old lather about the new President. Apparently he's senile and a pedo (sic).

The saddest thing is that for all that they are Britian First loving, Covid denying, Sturgeon is a Nazi types, they are actually very kind hearted and fundamentally decent human beings.

This kind of thing troubles me deeply.

CropleyWasGod

21-01-2021, 01:17 PM

Some of my family members are working themselves up into a right old lather about the new President. Apparently he's senile and a pedo (sic).

The saddest thing is that for all that they are Britian First loving, Covid denying, Sturgeon is a Nazi, types, they are actually very kind hearted and fundamentally decent human beings.

This kind of thing troubles me deeply.

Wait until they find out that his first election as a senator was helped by the Mob. :greengrin

Keith_M

21-01-2021, 01:26 PM

https://mobile.twitter.com/yanisvaroufakis/status/1351946759363325952

Yanis Varouflakis sums up my feelings.

I get the enthusiasm over the end of the Trump era but some of the reaction is OTT and borderline cringetastic.

Grown men in tears, I mean c'mon...

Varouflakis basically said what a lot of people are thinking, albeit he did it in more detail. My version of what he said would be...

"Actions speak louder than words".

That doesn't mean that I've decided that he's NOT going to make radical change, I just prefer to give people plaudits for something when they've actually done it.

If he's not just another in a long line of career politicians that don't give a **** about people in the dust bowl states or the hundreds of thousands of people that have been put on the scrap heap when their jobs were relocated outside of the US to increase the returns to shareholders, then that will be good to see.

If he actually does care about racial inequality, the lack of affordable healthcare, the lack of maternity or sick pay for the poorer parts of society, etc, etc, then let's see him do something about it.

Personally, that means a lot more to people than flowery words, emotive poetry or watching Lady Gaga sing the US national anthem.

Hibbyradge

21-01-2021, 02:59 PM

Personally, that means a lot more to people than flowery words, emotive poetry or watching Lady Gaga sing the US national anthem.

Action speaks louder than words would have applied to whomever was elected. He's been in the job for one day, but I would have thought that his actions so far would attract accolades rather than cynicism.

Biden operates in a country where treating people fairly is thought of as a communist pursuit never mind universal healthcare. He may be to the left of centre in the USA spectrum, but his politics are at most in the centre of where we are in the UK if not further right.

If Bernie Sanders had been elected, although he may have genuinely wanted to, he wouldn't be able to bring in radical policies because the Democrats don't have enough power in the senate.

Moving the country back to where it was pre-Trump will be a solid achievement in 4 years. Any more than that would be incredible, imo.

neil7908

21-01-2021, 03:21 PM

Varouflakis basically said what a lot of people are thinking, albeit he did it in more detail. My version of what he said would be...

"Actions speak louder than words".

That doesn't mean that I've decided that he's NOT going to make radical change, I just prefer to give people plaudits for something when they've actually done it.

If he's not just another in a long line of career politicians that don't give a **** about people in the dust bowl states or the hundreds of thousands of people that have been put on the scrap heap when their jobs were relocated outside of the US to increase the returns to shareholders, then that will be good to see.

If he actually does care about racial inequality, the lack of affordable healthcare, the lack of maternity or sick pay for the poorer parts of society, etc, etc, then let's see him do something about it.

Personally, that means a lot more to people than flowery words, emotive poetry or watching Lady Gaga sing the US national anthem.

I agree with a lot of this but unfortunately the American political system makes significant change very difficult. Look at Obama Care. That was such a small, overwhelming positive policy, that Republicans still want to dismantle to this day (even though they want to keep half of it like protection for pre existing conditions).

I also want him to make real, substantial changes and I'm not saying it's impossible, but the US is designed to make change very very hard without cross party support. And that isn't possible with the current Republican Party.

I'm not his biggest fan but I think he'll be a good, solid leader. I doubt he's the man to 'heal America' but right now I don't think that's possible.

G B Young

21-01-2021, 03:21 PM

It was an extremely moving event. Being emotional that the first woman and first black and South Asian American was elected to VP is hardly cringe worthy, imo.

And I couldn't care less about Biden's lack of socialist credentials. The alt-right have been beaten and the nightmare that Trump brought the world is over.

Add to that the backdrop of the need for thousands of armed troops to protect the democratic process because of the actions of the previous incumbent and his terrorist supporters.

If that lot's not good enough for a few tears of happiness then you'll be waiting a long time to experience them in politics.

That's wishful thinking. Biden might have polled the highest number of votes in presidential history, but it's easy to forget Trump polled the second most - 10 million more, in fact, than he accrued when he won in 2016. Said it already but the Covid pandmemic and his hapless response to it played a very hefty part in his defeat, arguably more so than his divisive politics.

Hibbyradge

21-01-2021, 03:55 PM

That's wishful thinking. Biden might have polled the highest number of votes in presidential history, but it's easy to forget Trump polled the second most - 10 million more, in fact, than he accrued when he won in 2016. Said it already but the Covid pandmemic and his hapless response to it played a very hefty part in his defeat, arguably more so than his divisive politics.

Agreed. Trump polled a lot of votes but he lost and the alt-right were beaten.

They'll need to be beaten again in 4 years, as they are every 4 years, but let's breathe a sigh of relief that they're not in power before wringing our hands in despair because they still exist.

Keith_M

21-01-2021, 04:54 PM

Action speaks louder than words would have applied to whomever was elected. ...

Yes, and I didn't post anything that would have suggested otherwise.

... He's been in the job for one day, but I would have thought that his actions so far would attract accolades rather than cynicism.

I think you misunderstood my post. I haven't judged Biden in any way, positive or negative. In fact, that's pretty much the general point I was trying to make.

I'm not going to go all gooey eyed over flowery promises, I'll wait to see what he actually does. That would be my reaction regardless of who was just elected.

What I am happy about, as are most of us, is that Trump is now gone. IMHO, he was a dangerous person to be in charge of the world's most powerful country.

Hibbyradge

21-01-2021, 05:37 PM

Yes, and I didn't post anything that would have suggested otherwise.

I think you misunderstood my post. I haven't judged Biden in any way, positive or negative. In fact, that's pretty much the general point I was trying to make.

I'm not going to go all gooey eyed over flowery promises, I'll wait to see what he actually does. That would be my reaction regardless of who was just elected.

What I am happy about, as are most of us, is that Trump is now gone. IMHO, he was a dangerous person to be in charge of the world's most powerful country.

👍

I'm gooey eyed because Trump has gone. Biden will make a difference, he already has, so we'll give him marks out of 10 in 3 and a half years.

I hated Ronald Reagan but I would have swapped him for the orange racist in a heartbeat.

Keith_M

21-01-2021, 05:41 PM

I'm gooey eyed because Trump has gone. Biden will make a difference, he already has, so we'll give him marks out of 10 in 3 and a half years.

I hated Ronald Reagan but I would have swapped him for the orange racist in a heartbeat.

Fairy Nuff

:greengrin

I've seen a couple of things that he's already done, such as rejoin WHO and the Paris Climate Agreement and definitely applaud those decisions.

Pretty Boy

21-01-2021, 06:00 PM

Fairy Nuff

:greengrin

I've seen a couple of things that he's already done, such as rejoin WHO and the Paris Climate Agreement and definitely applaud those decisions.

I broadly agree with what you are saying.

Actions will speak louder than words. For years now there have been big promises of listening to the concerns of those in former industrial heartlands that are increasingly divided into areas that have been gentrified and areas that become ever poorer and more derelict. There's scant evidence much listening has taken place and even less evidence of action to combat the concerns. It paves the way for opportunistic populists offering easy answers. Evidently that is a problem that extends far beyond the USA.

In saying that I was quite emotional watching Biden yesterday. His inauguration was a symbolic visualisation of the defeat of the far right. Whether that defeat is temporary or permanent relies heavily on what Biden and Harris achieve in the next 4 years though. He's made a decent start on sorting the glaring errors of the Trump regime but he has to start the ball rolling on rebuilding and regenerating the rust belt and beyond or another Trump will come along before too long.

McD

21-01-2021, 07:25 PM

That's wishful thinking. Biden might have polled the highest number of votes in presidential history, but it's easy to forget Trump polled the second most - 10 million more, in fact, than he accrued when he won in 2016. Said it already but the Covid pandmemic and his hapless response to it played a very hefty part in his defeat, arguably more so than his divisive politics.

perhaps I’ve misunderstood, apologies if I have, but has the US population increased by over 20 million in 4 years?

if trump has increased his total votes by 10 million since 2016, then surely Biden has to have also added a similar amount to Hilary Clinton’s to beat him?

lapsedhibee

21-01-2021, 07:36 PM

perhaps I’ve misunderstood, apologies if I have, but has the US population increased by over 20 million in 4 years?

if trump has increased his total votes by 10 million since 2016, then surely Biden has to have also added a similar amount to Hilary Clinton’s to beat him?
Clinton beat Trump by 3 million votes in 2016.

CropleyWasGod

21-01-2021, 07:44 PM

McD

21-01-2021, 07:46 PM

Clinton beat Trump by 3 million votes in 2016.

and this time Biden beat him 7 million votes

So if trump increased by 10 million, Biden has to have increased by 14 million to have extended the total vote count to 7 million.

so if I’ve understood correctly, that’s a (registered voter) population increase of 24 million (there’s every chance I’ve not understood correctly :greengrin)

I don’t know if there was a large upswell in eligible people registering for the first time which would affect those numbers.

McD

21-01-2021, 07:49 PM

Isn't that due to a greater turnout this time?

could well be, I was just thinking it seemed a large increase and wondered why :greengrin

lapsedhibee

21-01-2021, 08:04 PM

and this time Biden beat him 7 million votes

So if trump increased by 10 million, Biden has to have increased by 14 million to have extended the total vote count to 7 million.

Yes, Dem vote went up 15 and a half million, Trump's 11 and a quarter million.

CropleyWasGod

21-01-2021, 08:05 PM

could well be, I was just thinking it seemed a large increase and wondered why :greengrin

Was the highest turnout percentage since 1900, says Wiki.

lapsedhibee

21-01-2021, 08:07 PM

could well be, I was just thinking it seemed a large increase and wondered why :greengrin

15 and a half million dead people voted this time round.

hibsbollah

21-01-2021, 09:48 PM

Laura Kuennsberg assisting the pretence that Boris is pleased about Biden coming in. It’s patently nonsense and she knows it is. Biden and his team remember the ‘Obama’s a Kenyan so he hates Britain’ Spectator column. The Biden team think he’s a clown. Robert Reich made that clear. It won’t be an easy relationship.

Jon Sopel is reporting with a completely opposite emphasis from Kuennsberg tonight. The ‘special relationship’ trope is bound to make an appearance shortly...

Hibbyradge

21-01-2021, 09:59 PM

15 and a half million dead people voted this time round.

I'm not dead!

AltheHibby

21-01-2021, 10:29 PM

More good(ish) news

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-trending-55746304

Hibrandenburg

21-01-2021, 10:47 PM

More good(ish) news

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-trending-55746304

Just like the Jehovas predicting Armageddon, they'll crawl into a corner for a wee while, have a barny amongst themselves and then re-emerge with some new bull**** and explanation as to why they were mistaken. There's money involved so a quick rebranding and Bob's your uncle.

Haymaker

22-01-2021, 01:11 AM

Isn't that due to a greater turnout this time?

The amount of people I know who didn't vote in 2016 because "Hilary will win regardless" is amazing.

They all turned up this time. Because Trumpers were always going to.

Haymaker

22-01-2021, 01:12 AM

More good(ish) news

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-trending-55746304

Some have started saying that Biden is part of the plan now.

Hibs Class

22-01-2021, 09:19 AM

Agreed. Trump polled a lot of votes but he lost and the alt-right were beaten.

They'll need to be beaten again in 4 years, as they are every 4 years, but let's breathe a sigh of relief that they're not in power before wringing our hands in despair because they still exist.

2022 mid-terms will be the next key point

Future17

22-01-2021, 09:20 AM

Some have started saying that Biden is part of the plan now.

Ah, but does he know it? :greengrin

Keith_M

22-01-2021, 09:33 AM

Some have started saying that Biden is part of the plan now.

I've read about a lot of 'predictions' like these, and they always adapt the details when it doesn't work out quite how they expected.

There's quite a number of them that try to interpret events based on vague parts of the bible, especially when it comes down to their interpretation of what 'a generation' means (sound familiar? :wink:).

An awful lot of them are now trying to work the current pandemic into their 'end of the world' / 'beginning of a new era' prophecies. When humanity does come out the other side of this, they'll just find something new to fit into their narrative.

Renfrew_Hibby

22-01-2021, 10:12 AM

Anyone think that the 'Special Relationship' could be over soon?

Biden/Harris already indicated that the EU will be ahead of the UK whenever transatlantic talks take place.
There will be no trade deals anytime soon as the American economy has to come first.
Biden has labelled Boris the British Trump.
Yesterday a bust of Churchill was removed from view in the White House (I think it was).
Biden is deeply connected to Ireland and there are hints that the emerald isle will be his first foreign trip, possibly a major state visit immediately before the G7 event in Cornwall this summer.
Add to that Borus refusing to deny that he thinks Biden and Harris are 'woke' in a TV interview yesterday. It's going to be an at arms length relationship at best.

If I were Sturgeon I would be making tentative approaches to the new administration regards the climate conference in Glasgow as the UK government will totally own this summit and the Scottish government is going to be airbrushed and omitted from all proceedings. Imagine if Biden was to take a couple of hours out to have a very public chat with Sturgeon during the event? The optics could be very powerful.

McD

22-01-2021, 11:00 AM

Yes, Dem vote went up 15 and a half million, Trump's 11 and a quarter million.

Was the highest turnout percentage since 1900, says Wiki.

The amount of people I know who didn't vote in 2016 because "Hilary will win regardless" is amazing.

They all turned up this time. Because Trumpers were always going to.

cheers folks :aok:

Peevemor

22-01-2021, 01:16 PM

Well done Hibs!

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cabbageandribs1875

23-01-2021, 03:26 PM

Well done Hibs!

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210122/79c0ac622247a5c6ede8e2bae30760a8.jpg

he's been spotted all over Leith

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through at parkheid

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i've lost the one at the foot of the walk :(

cabbageandribs1875

30-01-2021, 06:01 PM

Biden puts Churchill back in the white house :(

https://scontent.fman1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/144041542_3619515374808064_4792620909589941113_o.j pg?_nc_cat=103&ccb=2&_nc_sid=730e14&_nc_ohc=ju9Srr1ZGmQAX-uB7Qn&_nc_ht=scontent.fman1-1.fna&oh=7ba17c76472f22dc2a42bd7a01dc4f4b&oe=603C3CD7

Pretty Boy

06-02-2021, 10:31 AM

hibsbollah

06-02-2021, 10:34 AM

Bernies $trillion budget passes 51-50 in Congress with Kamalas casting vote.
The USA, home of Socialism:greengrin

Keith_M

06-02-2021, 10:41 AM

Biden confirms in an interview that Trump won't be afforded the usual courtesy granted to former Presidents of access to intelligence briefings. Described him as 'erratic' and essentialy said he can't be trusted to keep his mouth shut.

I think what the last four years or so has done is to highlight some of the stupid arrangements they have in the US. Almost everything about their system of governance is either archaic or idiotic in the extreme.

Having a tradition of sharing the content of intelligence briefings with former presidents is a new one to me.

They really need to learn from this and make drastic changes... though I highly doubt they will.

Keith_M

06-02-2021, 10:43 AM

Bernies $trillion budget passes 51-50 in Congress with Kamalas casting vote.
The USA, home of Socialism:greengrin

Nah, in the true homes of socialism, that vote would have passed 101-0

:wink:

Hibbyradge

06-02-2021, 10:45 AM

Nah, in the true homes of socialism, that vote would have passed 101-0

:wink:

Vote?

hibsbollah

06-02-2021, 11:11 AM

Nah, in the true homes of socialism, that vote would have passed 101-0

:wink:

Not mutually exclusive, socialists love a good vote. The most likely scenario is we split into competing groups and therefore hand power to the opposing bloc:wink:

Bernie holds a lot of power these days. And he seems to be fairly immune from smears and ad hominem attacks. Just keeps saying the same things.

Hibrandenburg

06-02-2021, 11:31 AM

I think what the last four years or so has done is to highlight some of the stupid arrangements they have in the US. Almost everything about their system of governance is either archaic or idiotic in the extreme.

Having a tradition of sharing the content of intelligence briefings with former presidents is a new one to me.

They really need to learn from this and make drastic changes... though I highly doubt they will.

I wonder what they think when they look at Westminster.

One Day Soon

06-02-2021, 11:34 AM

Not mutually exclusive, socialists love a good vote. The most likely scenario is we split into competing groups and therefore hand power to the opposing bloc:wink:

Bernie holds a lot of power these days. And he seems to be fairly immune from smears and ad hominem attacks. Just keeps saying the same things.

No it isn't.

hibsbollah

06-02-2021, 11:53 AM

No it isn't.

Splitter

hibsbollah

07-02-2021, 03:24 PM

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/02/05/amazon-loses-effort-to-halt-alabama-union-drive-voting-begins-next-week.html?fbclid=IwAR0X6pro9711LTZRdnXSPZvIWfNW3-gkwY_taXbPqvaN2jAHgB77hPbg9UU

The most rabidly anti union company in a rabidly anti union state in the Deep South, forced to accept union representation. Workplace democracy, what next?

Keith_M

07-02-2021, 04:30 PM

Not mutually exclusive, socialists love a good vote... .

My Missus is from East Germany and well remembers the election days of the good old DDR; One party on the voting paper and voting was compulsory (only exceptions being you were in a coma, senile, were dying or all your fingers had fallen off with frostbite)

They used to announce triumphantly about the Communist party being democratically re-elected with ~98% of the vote.

Ah the good old days

:wink:

Keith_M

07-02-2021, 04:32 PM

I wonder what they think when they look at Westminster.

They're obviously jealous.

Imagine having a House of Lords where you get a job for life and never actually have to do anything?

Hibrandenburg

07-02-2021, 04:48 PM

My Missus is from East Germany and well remembers the election days of the good old DDR; One party on the voting paper and voting was compulsory (only exceptions being you were in a coma, senile, were dying or all your fingers had fallen off with frostbite)

They used to announce triumphantly about the Communist party being democratically re-elected with ~98% of the vote.

Ah the good old days

:wink:

Who did she vote for? :duck:

Keith_M

08-02-2021, 11:02 AM

Who did she vote for? :duck:

As you well know, someone's vote shall remain a secret.

:tsk tsk:

But, as far as I can work out, she voted for her Dad....

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Hibrandenburg

08-02-2021, 11:51 AM

As you well know, someone's vote shall remain a secret.

:tsk tsk:

But, as far as I can work out, she voted for her Dad....

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:greengrin

„Vorwärts immer, rückwärts nimmer!"

Prof. Shaggy

14-02-2021, 09:20 AM

"Biden administration plans to continue to seek extradition of WikiLeaks' Assange: official | Article [AMP] | Reuters" https://mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKBN2A92T4

hibsbollah

14-02-2021, 06:30 PM

Boris Johnson has a problem, according to well placed sources.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/boris-johnson-biden-brexit/2020/11/12/2d0e889a-2396-11eb-9c4a-0dc6242c4814_story.html

Northernhibee

18-02-2021, 03:46 PM

Approval rating of 63% so far, higher than either of the last two republican presidents at this point, and already has the backing of 1 in 10 Republican voters.

hibsbollah

26-02-2021, 06:09 PM

Biden releases Congress report accusing Saudis of Khassogi murder.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/

CloudSquall

26-02-2021, 06:13 PM

Biden approved bombing on Syria without going to Congress, I look forward to the progressives defending this one..

CropleyWasGod

26-02-2021, 06:34 PM

Biden approved bombing on Syria without going to Congress, I look forward to the progressives defending this one..

Yep. Normal service etc etc...

hibsbollah

19-03-2021, 07:03 AM

Getting tough with China

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/mar/19/friday-briefing-us-china-talks-anchorage-alaska

And if you read the transcripts, they’re giving plenty back.

cabbageandribs1875

23-03-2021, 08:04 PM

Top Saudi official issued death threat against UN's Khashoggi investigator | Jamal Khashoggi | The Guardian (https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/mar/23/top-saudi-official-issued-death-threat-against-uns-khashoggi-investigator?fbclid=IwAR3Tw19PpmEaB6opnDNNhQzuIiad wQNxPvaZQTJgfJZXLrepyLTETbsxKrA)

A senior Saudi official issued what was perceived to be a death threat against the independent United Nations investigator, Agnès Callamard, after her investigation into the murder of journalist Jamal Khashoggi (https://www.theguardian.com/world/jamal-khashoggi).

In an interview with the Guardian, the outgoing special rapporteur for extrajudicial killings said that a UN colleague alerted her in January 2020 that a senior Saudi official had twice threatened in a meeting with other senior UN officials in Geneva that month to have Callamard “taken care of” if she was not reined in by the UN.

hibsbollah

12-05-2021, 12:17 PM

Shhhh don’t mention Israel, let them get on with it.

Pretty Boy

12-05-2021, 06:52 PM

Shhhh don’t mention Israel, let them get on with it.

I was having a proper rant about the reporting of the current situation last night.

The news led with 'terror' as Palestinian rockets 'rain down' on Israel. Of course in an idealistic world no violence is acceptable and should be condemned. We are talking haphazard rockets being fired out of drain pipes against one of the most sophisticated military machines in the world though.

By all means provide balance but that balance has to give context. If someones first knowledge of this conflict was based on that report they would have believed the Palestinians were the better equipped and better funded aggressors.

As long as the Palestinian elections, which threatened to establish Palestinian unity for the 1st time in a long time, don't go ahead I think the administrations of Netanyahu and Biden will consider it job done.

hibsbollah

12-05-2021, 07:09 PM

I was having a proper rant about the reporting of the current situation last night.

The news led with 'terror' as Palestinian rockets 'rain down' on Israel. Of course in an idealistic world no violence is acceptable and should be condemned. We are talking haphazard rockets being fired out of drain pipes against one of the most sophisticated military machines in the world though.

By all means provide balance but that balance has to give context. If someones first knowledge of this conflict was based on that report they would have believed the Palestinians were the better equipped and better funded aggressors.

As long as the Palestinian elections, which threatened to establish Palestinian unity for the 1st time in a long time, don't go ahead I think the administrations of Netanyahu and Biden will consider it job done.

Bull**** bingo classics include
‘...calls for both sides to show restraint’
´...intractable’ followed by ‘problem with no obvious solution’
´Missiles rain down’
‘War’ (it’s not a ****ing ‘war’ and never will be, or until someone funds the Palestinian military to the tune of 4 billion dollars a year like the US does Israel)
‘Civilians dead in clashes’ (what is a ‘clash’? Getting incinerated while watching the tv with your mum?)

Jeremy Bowen is good if you’re after a full house of twaddle and fuddery.

Betty Boop

13-05-2021, 01:16 PM

Surely the third Intifada as the Israelis prepare to invade Gaza with ground troops.
Another slaughter of Palestinians.

Betty Boop

13-05-2021, 04:26 PM

https://twitter.com/i/status/1392388572867702784

Paul1642

13-05-2021, 05:14 PM

I was having a proper rant about the reporting of the current situation last night.

The news led with 'terror' as Palestinian rockets 'rain down' on Israel. Of course in an idealistic world no violence is acceptable and should be condemned. We are talking haphazard rockets being fired out of drain pipes against one of the most sophisticated military machines in the world though.

By all means provide balance but that balance has to give context. If someones first knowledge of this conflict was based on that report they would have believed the Palestinians were the better equipped and better funded aggressors.

As long as the Palestinian elections, which threatened to establish Palestinian unity for the 1st time in a long time, don't go ahead I think the administrations of Netanyahu and Biden will consider it job done.

Both sides need to rein it in immediately. Nobody wins this and the people suffer.

The rockets may not be high tec but that does take away the intent and potential to kill / cause suffering.

Chorley Hibee

13-05-2021, 07:14 PM

Both sides need to rein it in immediately. Nobody wins this and the people suffer.

The rockets may not be high tec but that does take away the intent and potential to kill / cause suffering.

Apartheid Israel and their illegal settlers have repeatedly been successful with their actions - helped by the tacit approval of the international community that props up their regime.

If I was a Palestinian in that environment, I'd fight back too.

hibsbollah

17-05-2021, 08:36 AM

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.aljazeera.com/amp/news/2021/5/16/timeline-how-us-presidents-have-defended-israel-over-decades

Biden ‘unequivocally backs’ Israel.

Betty Boop

17-05-2021, 09:27 AM

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.aljazeera.com/amp/news/2021/5/16/timeline-how-us-presidents-have-defended-israel-over-decades

Biden ‘unequivocally backs’ Israel.
Surprise surprise good old sleepy Joe.

hibsbollah

17-05-2021, 10:47 AM

Surprise surprise good old sleepy Joe.

Isn’t that Trumps name for him?

He does seem to be following the Kennedy playbook of big hearted funder of government programmes at home, but being a foreign policy hawk and out-flanking the Republicans abroad.

Callum_62

18-05-2021, 07:00 AM

https://twitter.com/cnnbrk/status/1394462482836688900?s=19

America is a really really weird place.

Sent from my VOG-L29 using Tapatalk

cabbageandribs1875

04-07-2021, 02:57 AM

hundreds of US companies getting ransomware attacks, i noticed facebook stopped plenty people sharing posts earlier last night Joe Biden says US government not sure who is behind ransomware attack - but does not rule out Russia | Science & Tech News | Sky News (https://news.sky.com/story/joe-biden-says-us-government-not-sure-who-is-behind-ransomware-attack-but-does-not-rule-out-russia-12348259)

oh those Russians ?

New ransomware attack by REvil targets IT vendor Kaseya - CNN (https://edition.cnn.com/2021/07/02/tech/ransomware-cybersecurity-attack-kaseya/index.html)

Lendo

07-07-2021, 12:20 PM

https://twitter.com/cnnbrk/status/1394462482836688900?s=19

America is a really really weird place.

Sent from my VOG-L29 using Tapatalk

Killing each other with guns is a national pastime for Americans anyway, so it makes sense.

tamig

07-07-2021, 01:22 PM

Killing each other with guns is a national pastime for Americans anyway, so it makes sense.

I’ve never had the inclination to visit the US and never will. Pre-historic attitudes at so many levels.

He's here!

08-07-2021, 10:57 PM

I’ve never had the inclination to visit the US and never will. Pre-historic attitudes at so many levels.

I was lucky enough to make a couple of trips there in the past (both pre 9/11 so I might find the experience different now) but as a young man with few strings at the time it was a phenomenally exciting country to travel around. I found New York spellbinding and especially loved Chicago.

Future17

09-07-2021, 05:51 AM

Biden forgetting his lines on Afghanistan and Bin Laden. It's not a good look.

Dalianwanda

09-07-2021, 06:28 AM

Biden forgetting his lines on Afghanistan and Bin Laden. It's not a good look.

No but still it’s not a daily occurrence like his predecessor. It’s a pleasant change to previously waking up every single day to a top news item featuring the USA president.

Future17

09-07-2021, 11:06 AM

No but still it’s not a daily occurrence like his predecessor. It’s a pleasant change to previously waking up every single day to a top news item featuring the USA president.

It's becoming more regular though and is potentially as dangerous as Trump's many failings.

What does it say about US politics that the choice was between those two?

lapsedhibee

09-07-2021, 03:26 PM

What does it say about US politics that the choice was between those two?

Don't think a Brit should be making that complaint about the US! :kettle:

Dalianwanda

09-07-2021, 04:59 PM

It's becoming more regular though and is potentially as dangerous as Trump's many failings.

What does it say about US politics that the choice was between those two?

Not denying that…Delighted Trump out, underwhelmed Biden was the opposition. Pretty similar to UK with Tory & Labour. Not similar with FF & FG here as they are all shysters. Just wish there was someone with some positive inspirational ideas coming from somewhere.

Keith_M

09-07-2021, 05:26 PM

Don't think a Brit should be making that complaint about the US! :kettle:

What about a Scot?

:wink:

lapsedhibee

09-07-2021, 05:35 PM

What about a Scot?

:wink:

But, but ... we're all one country COME ON ENGLAND AT THE SOCCERBALL

Future17

09-07-2021, 06:03 PM

Don't think a Brit should be making that complaint about the US! :kettle:

Aye, but we've only got 66m to choose from! :greengrin

weecounty hibby

09-07-2021, 06:11 PM

Aye, but we've only got 66m to choose from! :greengrin

There's not that many old Etonians!!!

Bangkok Hibby

10-07-2021, 08:12 AM

Oh the irony, I've just watched some blonde Fox news bimbo stumble over the name of someone who is the recipient of profits from a clothing range she is pushing.
This seconds after a segment where she was ridiculing Joe Biden because he struggled with one of his secretary's names.
Vile news channel....by the way I have very little viewing choice, Sky news or Fox.

Stairway 2 7

10-07-2021, 08:30 AM

Bidens administration is probably as right wing as Camerons Conservatives but the choice was between that and trumps that was closer to griffin's bnp.

JimBHibees

10-07-2021, 09:19 AM

Bidens administration is probably as right wing as Camerons Conservatives but the choice was between that and trumps that was closer to griffin's bnp.

Just about sums it up

Ozyhibby

10-07-2021, 09:36 AM

Bidens administration is probably as right wing as Camerons Conservatives but the choice was between that and trumps that was closer to griffin's bnp.

I wouldn’t say that at all. Biden s admin is spending absolutely massive amounts of money. Doesn’t compare at all with Cameron’s austerity. Biden is pretty much test driving MMT. It will be interesting to see if it works.

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hibsbollah

10-07-2021, 09:48 AM

Stairway 2 7

10-07-2021, 09:52 AM

I wouldn’t say that at all. Biden s admin is spending absolutely massive amounts of money. Doesn’t compare at all with Cameron’s austerity. Biden is pretty much test driving MMT. It will be interesting to see if it works.

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I meant on left right access boris gov more right. Can't compare actual policies because different times. Democrats are very centre right big business with their huge campaign payments and controlled by lobbyists. Republicans on the other hand are out of control religious fundamentalists. Pity sanders never had a chance would have been interesting to see a left wing leader