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Jonnyboy
16-01-2021, 05:39 PM
It’s been an interesting few days following Hibs’ deserved point at Parkhead on Monday night. Some pundits felt we were lucky, and some thought Celtic were playing with a substantially weakened team. Those pundits were wrong on both counts. Hibs were actually unlucky not to win the game, in my view plus Celtic fielded eight starters from their last game out and so talk of substantially weakened was nonsense.

I hoped the point won at Parkhead might instil some confidence into the team and I think it did, along with a solid if unspectacular win against a stuffy Kilmarnock side. The pitch was awful and both sides suffered but so too did we, as spectators. It was pretty dire for long spells with the ball spending far too much time in the air.

Since the Celtic game, Hibs brought two new signings to the club in the shape of Jackson Irvine and Chris Cadden. These are guys of proven ability in the Scottish game and they’ll help the club with the depth they add to the squad. I thought both would be on the bench today, but Jackson started and Cadden got a run out later in the game.

With Joe Newell missing due to injury, Hibs set up with what looked like a 4-2-3-1 with Hallberg and Gogic holding and Jackson pushed on to support Nisbet up front. It almost worked early in the game when Irvine’s lay off saw McGinn doggedly fighting his way into the box before having a pop at goal. Rogers saved but it’s as well he held on to the ball as Nisbet was waiting to pounce.

After what might be considered a bright start the game soon developed into a midfield war of attrition with Willie Collum’s whistle on overtime. Surprisingly, Collum allowed many of these challenges to go unpunished which is unusual for a man that has more cards than Hallmark.

When the occasional ball was threaded through, first Whitehall for Killie and then Nisbet for Hibs were caught offside. Around the twenty minute mark, Whitehall again and Irvine were caught offside when passes through were delayed just a fraction too long. With half time approaching, Killie came out of their shell a bit and strikes by both Kiltie and Tshibola were easily charged down. It has to be said that anything into the Hibs box was being dealt with well by Hanlon and Porteous in particular whilst McGinn and Doig both looked solid. In fact, it was McGinn who next had an effort on goal for Hibs but although he found space from a Hallberg corner he steered his header high over the bar.

Hibs came out unchanged for the second half and pushed Killie back, winning a corner. Hallberg’s delivery was met by the head of Gogic who angled his effort down and towards the far post, but Danny Rogers denied him with a fine save. Around the fifty minute mark Hibs took the lead. Jamie Murphy took possession of the ball just inside his own half before striding towards the Killie box. It looked as though he’d been closed down, but clever play allowed him to feed the overlapping Doig. When Josh delivered a first time low cross into the area, Killie’s Alan Power in trying to block the ball succeeded instead in steering the ball under the body of Rogers and into the net. It was scrappy but the build up was impressive, even if luck played a part at the end.

Killie tried to hit back straight away but a Whitehall header from good position drifted past the post. Alex Dyer made a double change to try and get them back into the game with Burke and Kabamba joining the fray. With twenty minutes left, Kabamba beat the offside trap and fired low shot across the keeper only for the ball to strike the far post and fly back into the grateful arms of Matt Macey. When I looked at the replay, I saw that Hanlon and Porteous had correctly stepped out, but Paul McGinn was too slow and played the Killie man onside. It was a let off for sure.

With fifteen minutes left, Jack Ross replaced the tiring Jackson Irvine with Christian Doidge with the big fella pushed up front to support Nisbet. A magnificent run down the left by Doig saw the youngster angle his run into the box but his progress was blocked off by two defenders cutting in front of him. It looked a penalty to me, but not to Willie Collum who waved play on.

Another fabulous cross from Doig saw Boyle rising well at the far post but his excellent header was well saved by Rogers at his near post. Ten minutes from time a crude foul by Power on Boyle earned the Killie man a yellow card. The resultant free kick picked out Gogic at the far post and the Hibs man headed the ball back into the mix. Porteous flicked it on and the ball reached Doidge who controlled it on his chest before cushioning it to Gogic some twenty yards out. Gogic hammered it first time and the ball ripped into the net with Rogers well beaten. Soon after, Boyle was replaced by debutant Chris Cadden who slotted in on the right hand side.

It was all about game management now and let’s be honest we’ve not been the best at that and have conceded a few late goals that cost us points we already had wrapped up. Killie were throwing everything at us now with central defender Dikamona becoming an auxiliary forward, but it was all to no avail and indeed Hibs might have had a third when substitute Stevie Mallan got free on the right. Mallan hit his shot well enough but Rogers was equal to it.

Not the greatest of games and not the best performance but having said that, a number of Hibs players had a good and solid ninety minutes. I think the fact that Macey faced only one direct shot and that we kept a clean sheet it’s safe to say we are going in the right direction again.

The players

Macey – An easy afternoon for the big fella who dominated his box. There were a couple of dodgy handling errors but thankfully they were not punished.

McGinn – His part in the Tshibola effort aside, I though Paul was really good today, both attacking and defending.

Porteous – For me this was Ryan’s best game in a while. Other than a couple of wayward passes his use of the ball was good and he dominated Whitehall and then Kabamba throughout.

Hanlon – Didn’t really put a foot wrong and never looked troubled.

Doig – A fantastic performance from Josh. His stamina is unbelievable, and his defensive positioning is getting better each time he plays.

Boyle – This was not one of his better days and I felt he struggled more than most with the state of the pitch.

Hallberg – Melker has his doubters and I’ve been critical of him myself in the past, but I thought he was spot on today.

Gogic – I confess I was less than impressed with his first half input but looking back I can acknowledge that his hard work helped ensure Killie couldn’t get easy possession when attacking. His second half he was like a different player, still doing the work of the first but adding to it in an attacking sense. His goal was a stunner and overall, he just pips a couple of others to my man of the match award.

Irvine – It was always going to be a big ask, expecting him to slot in seamlessly and have several attempts at goal. Overall, I thought he showed some lovely touches and I’m certain the seventy five minutes he got will stand him in good stead.

Murphy – Jamie just oozes quality, and it was very noticeable that Killie tried to double up on him every time he had the ball. Kiltie was playing more like a second full back than an attacking midfielder.

Nisbet - I remain to be convinced that Kevin likes the sole striker role. His movement is good and his workrate unquestionable, but I felt he was isolated too often to cause the Killie defence any real concerns.

Doidge – The big fella certainly gave the Killie defenders something to worry about and I have to say his control and layoff for the second goal was first class.

Cadden – Didn’t really see enough of him to form a concrete opinion but given his pedigree I’m sure we’ve signed a good ‘un.

Gullan – Not on long enough to get involved.

Mallan – Same as Jamie Gullan but I have to say his shot near the end might have been better deployed as a pass to Gullan in the middle.

Jack Ross – A good day at the office result wise and he seemed happy with what he’s seeing. I’m not sure I am, in terms of how we set up and play but a win’s a win and he’s the boss!

Referee – Willie Collum will need a new whistle because he blew that one today, to death.

DaveF
16-01-2021, 06:05 PM
Doig incident wasn't a penalty imo.

And Collum is a grade A arse.

Greenbeard
16-01-2021, 06:13 PM
Braw and agree with nearly all, although first half I thought Hanlon hit too many long(ish) diagonals which went astray but he was resorting to that cos of the lack of a playmaker in midfield. Hallberg got on the ball often and looked comfortable enough but really did nothing positive when in possession. No incision.
RE Doig penalty claim, the replay from behind the goal clearly showed the Kilie defender changing direction to obstruct Doig. Indirect free kick maybe?

Sir David Gray
16-01-2021, 06:36 PM
Doig incident wasn't a penalty imo.

And Collum is a grade A arse.

Yeah agreed that was never a penalty.

BILLYHIBS
16-01-2021, 06:39 PM
Brilliant Jonnyboy as usual

Never a pen

Said it before Doig is a bright young thing

GGTTH

Highwayman
16-01-2021, 07:25 PM
Fair assessment as usual.Thought Hanlon was solid in defence,but every game he tries to play a long diagonal ball across to the right trying to find McGinn or Boyle.Because of the pace and height of the pass they usually find it difficult to control and it is easy for defenders to deal with.Could see the point if there was lack of options but today he had Doig and Murphy down the left he could use as an out ball.Also with the defender clearing Hanlon can be left stranded at the halfway line.Maybe needs to give this tactic more thought.

Bridge hibs
16-01-2021, 07:39 PM
Thank you for that report, I miss the (silly named) Pink news but you catch it perfectly and your report is top notch, thank you for taking the time

The Harp Awakes
16-01-2021, 08:59 PM
Good summary again JB.

While it wasn't a great performance, I thought we had several excellent performances which meant we had more cutting edge than Killie and that got us over the line. Doig and Gogic were very good and I thought Hallberg put in a real shift as well.

AZhibee
17-01-2021, 12:07 AM
Thanks Jonnyboy
:flag:

Phil MaGlass
17-01-2021, 05:28 AM
Thanks for the summary, I was unable to watch match at work, but, from what I follow Boyle has had another meh meh game, maybe due to being marked heavily.
It might be time to drop him, almost every game he doesn't show up, I think he has only had one good game in about 6 recently if Hibsnet is anything to go by, I may be blowin oot ma er5e, but that´s what I get from all the comments on here and watching the last few games??

I can only imagne the crap Ross would have got for playing the new signings had we lost, especially Jackson who hasn't played for most of the season?

worcesterhibby
17-01-2021, 07:27 AM
Great report as ever.

Brightside
17-01-2021, 07:39 AM
Thanks for the summary, I was unable to watch match at work, but, from what I follow Boyle has had another meh meh game, maybe due to being marked heavily.
It might be time to drop him, almost every game he doesn't show up, I think he has only had one good game in about 6 recently if Hibsnet is anything to go by, I may be blowin oot ma er5e, but that´s what I get from all the comments on here and watching the last few games??

I can only imagne the crap Ross would have got for playing the new signings had we lost, especially Jackson who hasn't played for most of the season?

He was marked out the game. But that also creates space for other players. It also neutralised the Kille attack as their wide players did so much defending.

Unseen work
17-01-2021, 08:53 AM
Couple of points for me;

Playing pretty football is good but grinding out a result in poor conditions and an awful pitch is really good and pleasing, especially considering our recent home form.

Underrated players - Doidge and Gogic have received a lot of stick lately about how they’re not x, y and z. They showed how valuable they are and what they can offer especially in games like that. There is more than one way to win a game of football and they’re showing they’re very effective at helping us do that.

Doig - Came on leaps and bounds since the start of the season. Defensively he’s a lot tighter to his man, doesn’t let them turn, presses them quicker and more aggressively. Going forward he is a lot more composed with his final ball and the quality has came on leaps and bounds. His driving runs forward are superb and it pins back the opposition so well as seen against Tavernier and Frimpong who barely got a touch. Hopefully the more he’s known as a threat the more room it creates for Murphy as he struggles at time with his lack of pace.

Boyle - Needs to up his performances and take more responsibly to get involved and grab the game by the scruff of the neck.

McGinn - Such an admirer of him and can’t believe how good he is defensively and on the ball, my expectations were low but he has far exceeded them. If he wasn’t Scottish, in his late 20s with his background there would be much more buzz about him. Unfortunate he never came over as an unknown Spaniard or similar as people would be waxing lyrical about him.

A lot more to come from this team.

Weststandwanab
17-01-2021, 09:06 AM
Thanks for posting.

brog
17-01-2021, 10:12 AM
Thanks John, excellent & balanced as ever. Firstly I think Jack Ross deserves a lot of credit for setting the team up to adapt to the awful conditions. It wasn't pretty & it required the players to step up, work hard & win 2nd balls but they did just that, led admirably by Gogic. Just a few random thoughts.
1. Martin Boyle - I see some criticism of him on here again & suggestions he should be dropped. The people most happy to see him dropped would be our opposition, its not coincidence he's double marked every week & just his presence creates space for others! As you said, our pitch currently negates some of his attributes but I guarantee he'll be 1st name on teamsheet for nest week at Hampden.
2. Hallberg - I've been critical of him but I thought he played well yesterday. He didn't hide, my main criticism, & he looks much more comfortable when he receives the ball with the pitch in front of him.
3. Our defence. Killie had 9 corners & several free kicks in attacking situations yesterday. They also had about 5 big lumps attacking these set plays but we coped superbly well yesterday. Paul McGinn has rightly earned plaudits for his general play but his ability in the air (his assist against Celtc) has been an unexpected bonus. I can't remember the last time we had a right back who was decent in the air! :wink: A special mention also for Nisbet's defensive work, that lad gives his all every game.

PeeJay
17-01-2021, 11:00 AM
Good read as ever, thought Doig had a poor first half, but improved considerably second half - Boyle is one of our best options up front yet the team gives him little to no service, same applies to Nisbet - we are too slow and ponderous in moving forward - three points and a clean sheet and 3rd place made a good day - pitch was truly awful, what's going on there then?

flash
17-01-2021, 11:45 AM
Just watched the pitch side highlights which are brilliant as usual.
Turns out it should have been a penalty after all.

Peevemor
17-01-2021, 12:30 PM
Just watched the pitch side highlights which are brilliant as usual.
Turns out it should have been a penalty after all.It certainly looks more like one than the other camera angles we've seen. Like Celtic’s free kick the other night it's not at all straightforward for the referee, although unfortunately it's two decisions that have gone against us.

flash
17-01-2021, 12:33 PM
It certainly looks more like one than the other camera angles we've seen. Like Celtic’s free kick the other night it's not at all straightforward for the referee, although unfortunately it's two decisions that have gone against us.
You can see why the ref wouldn't be sure. One for VAR I suppose.

Golden Bear
17-01-2021, 01:44 PM
Just watched the pitch side highlights which are brilliant as usual.
Turns out it should have been a penalty after all.

I agree. The other thing which struck me was that the surface didn't look at all bad when viewing from the lower angle.

jacomo
17-01-2021, 02:58 PM
Doig incident wasn't a penalty imo.

And Collum is a grade A arse.


Agree with your first comment.

As for Collum, he refereed the game well yesterday I thought.

basehibby
17-01-2021, 03:25 PM
Just watched the pitch side highlights which are brilliant as usual.
Turns out it should have been a penalty after all.

Where are the pitchside highlights? Any chance of a link?

From the standard angles it looked like a decent shout for a pen but was far from clearcut and, as such I'm not surprised it wasn't given.

brog
17-01-2021, 03:59 PM
Where are the pitchside highlights? Any chance of a link?

From the standard angles it looked like a decent shout for a pen but was far from clearcut and, as such I'm not surprised it wasn't given.

If it had been The Rangers it would have been a pen & all the pundits would be agreeing it was a stick on!!

GreenCastle
17-01-2021, 04:14 PM
Definitely looked like clear obstruction for the penalty - subtle but definitely deliberate obstruction and not playing the ball.

Also didn’t realise Porto booted the keeper after a Gogic goal then goes over to say sorry.

ancient hibee
17-01-2021, 05:43 PM
Thank you for that report, I miss the (silly named) Pink news but you catch it perfectly and your report is top notch, thank you for taking the time

The Pink News and the Green Dispatch on sale in every newsagent in the city an hour after full time when I was a kid.

BILLYHIBS
17-01-2021, 05:48 PM
The Pink News and the Green Dispatch on sale in every newsagent in the city an hour after full time when I was a kid.

Used to love reading the HIBS Reserves team

Newman Newman and Trialist Junior AN Other and Trialist Newman Junior Smith Trialist and Tortolano

Subs Reserve A Reserve B

hibee316
17-01-2021, 05:51 PM
Good read as ever, thought Doig had a poor first half, but improved considerably second half - Boyle is one of our best options up front yet the team gives him little to no service, same applies to Nisbet - we are too slow and ponderous in moving forward - three points and a clean sheet and 3rd place made a good day - pitch was truly awful, what's going on there then?

There is an element that Boyle is often marked out of a game, but this leaves room for other players more space though.

ancient hibee
17-01-2021, 05:51 PM
Used to love reading the HIBS Reserves team

Newman Newman and Trialist Junior AN Other and Trialist Newman Junior Smith Trialist and Tortolano

Imagine inventing a stupid name like Tortolano.

flash
17-01-2021, 05:59 PM
Where are the pitchside highlights? Any chance of a link?

From the standard angles it looked like a decent shout for a pen but was far from clearcut and, as such I'm not surprised it wasn't given.
They are on twitter. Just go to Hibs feed.

GreenCastle
17-01-2021, 06:00 PM
The Pink News and the Green Dispatch on sale in every newsagent in the city an hour after full time when I was a kid.

Did they not relaunch an online pink recently or was imagining this ?

bigwheel
18-01-2021, 09:18 AM
Just watched the highlights..how good was that assist from Doidge for Gogic..two quality bits of skill from both players ...superb

brog
18-01-2021, 09:29 AM
They are on twitter. Just go to Hibs feed.

Thanks for the info. It's a bit daft them being on Twitter & not on Hibs TV which I pay for.

PatHead
18-01-2021, 09:34 AM
Thanks for the info. It's a bit daft them being on Twitter & not on Hibs TV which I pay for.

Agree, I don't do Twitter so don't get the opportunity to see them.

Peevemor
18-01-2021, 09:45 AM
Thanks for the info. It's a bit daft them being on Twitter & not on Hibs TV which I pay for.

It's probably just to get them out there for the fans ASAP.

Anyone will be able to post a video on Facebook or Twitter, even from a telephone. I think putting it up on a website such as Hibs.TV is a bit more complicated.

Keith_M
18-01-2021, 09:47 AM
Re: The penalty claim.

The defenders deliberately obstructed Doig, with no intention to play the ball. Outside the penalty box, that would be given as a foul, so surely inside the box it's a penalty?

Booked4Being-Ugly
18-01-2021, 09:51 AM
Re: The penalty claim.

The defenders deliberately obstructed Doig, with no intention to play the ball. Outside the penalty box, that would be given as a foul, so surely inside the box it's a penalty?

Was definately a penalty. One defender nudges him and the other wipes him out with no intention of even trying to play the ball.

Radium
18-01-2021, 10:21 AM
Re: The penalty claim.

The defenders deliberately obstructed Doig, with no intention to play the ball. Outside the penalty box, that would be given as a foul, so surely inside the box it's a penalty?

https://twitter.com/hibernianfc/status/1350783539286069252?s=21

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JimBHibees
18-01-2021, 10:26 AM
Re: The penalty claim.

The defenders deliberately obstructed Doig, with no intention to play the ball. Outside the penalty box, that would be given as a foul, so surely inside the box it's a penalty?

Thought it was a definite penalty and thought the Hibs commentators gave Collum way too much credit over his decision.

Sir David Gray
18-01-2021, 10:30 AM
https://twitter.com/hibernianfc/status/1350783539286069252?s=21

58 seconds in

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It's still a no from me. I think the angles shown during the game were much better for seeing what took place.

JimBHibees
18-01-2021, 10:34 AM
It's still a no from me. I think the angles shown during the game were much better for seeing what took place.

Don't think there is a better angle than that. McGowan clearly takes him out,

flash
18-01-2021, 10:38 AM
It's still a no from me. I think the angles shown during the game were much better for seeing what took place.

I know it's a matter of opinion but that's the definitive angle and it's a clear foul.

Sir David Gray
18-01-2021, 10:59 AM
I know it's a matter of opinion but that's the definitive angle and it's a clear foul.

Definitely all about opinions but the angle shown on Saturday was better in my opinion and I don't think it was a foul.

I've just looked back The Match on Hibs TV just in case my recollection of Saturday's footage was different but I still stand by what I said.

It's on around 2 hours 2 minutes if you have a bit of spare time.

Keith_M
18-01-2021, 11:34 AM
Definitely all about opinions,,.



And yours is rubbish

:na na:

Greenbeard
18-01-2021, 11:38 AM
Re: The penalty claim.

The defenders deliberately obstructed Doig, with no intention to play the ball. Outside the penalty box, that would be given as a foul, so surely inside the box it's a penalty?
Maybe I am out of date, or just plain mistaken, but I always thought obstruction resulted in an indirect free kick, no?

brog
18-01-2021, 12:48 PM
Don't think there is a better angle than that. McGowan clearly takes him out,

Doig is actually tripped, though probably accidentally. I froze a pic which clearly shows the Killie player's leg taking Doig out. Unfortunately i don't know how to show it here. Regardless, as I said earlier, if it had been one of the uglies the ball would have been on the spot before Doig hit the ground!!

Scott Allan Key
18-01-2021, 01:08 PM
Couple of points for me;

Playing pretty football is good but grinding out a result in poor conditions and an awful pitch is really good and pleasing, especially considering our recent home form.

Underrated players - Doidge and Gogic have received a lot of stick lately about how they’re not x, y and z. They showed how valuable they are and what they can offer especially in games like that. There is more than one way to win a game of football and they’re showing they’re very effective at helping us do that.

Doig - Came on leaps and bounds since the start of the season. Defensively he’s a lot tighter to his man, doesn’t let them turn, presses them quicker and more aggressively. Going forward he is a lot more composed with his final ball and the quality has came on leaps and bounds. His driving runs forward are superb and it pins back the opposition so well as seen against Tavernier and Frimpong who barely got a touch. Hopefully the more he’s known as a threat the more room it creates for Murphy as he struggles at time with his lack of pace.

Boyle - Needs to up his performances and take more responsibly to get involved and grab the game by the scruff of the neck.

McGinn - Such an admirer of him and can’t believe how good he is defensively and on the ball, my expectations were low but he has far exceeded them. If he wasn’t Scottish, in his late 20s with his background there would be much more buzz about him. Unfortunate he never came over as an unknown Spaniard or similar as people would be waxing lyrical about him.

A lot more to come from this team.I know he's our player and he's older now, but I'd like him to get a chance to play in the Championship in England just to get a big payday like his brother. I think he'd do okay.

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Sir David Gray
18-01-2021, 02:02 PM
And yours is rubbish

:na na:

It would seem the referee and the match commentators would disagree. :wink:

JimBHibees
18-01-2021, 02:11 PM
It would seem the referee and the match commentators would disagree. :wink:

I wouldn't be celebrating the fact your opinion is the same as Willie Collum :greengrin

brog
18-01-2021, 03:35 PM
Just watched the highlights..how good was that assist from Doidge for Gogic..two quality bits of skill from both players ...superb

I like Christian but his 1st (or 2nd) touch often lets him down. For the goal he had 3 consecutive excellent touches, great to see.

ancient hibee
18-01-2021, 04:00 PM
I like Christian but his 1st (or 2nd) touch often lets him down. For the goal he had 3 consecutive excellent touches, great to see.


Arthur Montford would have loved him because when he is on the field there are countless goalmouth stramashes.

superfurryhibby
18-01-2021, 04:17 PM
Don't think there is a better angle than that. McGowan clearly takes him out,

Clear foul from the guy nearest the touchline.

EI255
23-01-2021, 09:57 AM
Hibs tv commentator just got a ribbing on Soccer AM for his commentary ON the Kilmarnock OG. It was pretty much non existent commentary! Oh dear.

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04Sauzee
23-01-2021, 09:59 AM
Hibs tv commentator just got a ribbing on Soccer AM for his commentary ON the Kilmarnock OG. It was pretty much non existent commentary! Oh dear.

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Haven't watched soccer AM in a long time. BT actually did a much better Saturday morning show with Savage, not sure if they still do it