Ambition

[matty_f]

At the risk of being labelled an arse licker again, I’m interested to know if the signings of Cadden, Irvine, Nisbet and Magennis, as well as the re-signing of Boyle, are sufficient evidence of the club showing ambition or not?

Tonight we sit in third place with another cup semi final to look ahead to

At what point do we acknowledge that things are actually going pretty well?

[tamig]

That will be a tough ask of some on here Matty 😀

[MWHIBBIES]

Can't be disputed that the club is showing ambition. To be honest, we have for years. It's just a buzz word people like to through about after a bad result.

[Since452]

At the risk of being labelled an arse licker again, I’m interested to know if the signings of Cadden, Irvine, Nisbet and Magennis, as well as the re-signing of Boyle, are sufficient evidence of the club showing ambition or not?

Tonight we sit in third place with another cup semi final to look ahead to

At what point do we acknowledge that things are actually going pretty well?

It's about time the club get a pat on the back. We have a good manager and good playes. Some of the players are real quality. We're only going to progress off the park under Gordon too.

[Heisenberg]

Never. Ron the con and Jack Dross must go immediately.

[Vault Boy]

Ambition and actualisation are very much separate things that often get conflated when things aren't going well. I think you're right that we've been showing ambition for a good while, it just hasn't been a perfectly upward trajectory.

Sitting 3rd and 5 points off Celtic, in a semi final, having signed Cadden and Irvine - it's a position we'd have taken before the season started. That's for damn sure.

[hibee1875]

Never. Ron the con and Jack Dross must go immediately.

Why?

[Smartie]

It might have been Blackpool on the match thread who made the point though - for having a lot of good players we aren’t half hard to watch at times.

Nobody can criticise the standard of player being signed. Results are very much on the correct side of acceptable.

I’d say I just about enjoyed the game today. I liked that we were a bit more streetwise than in recent weeks, I thought we stood up well in a battle and it was interesting from a tactical perspective.

We did get lucky on occasion though, and I’m not going to argue with anyone who says they’re not absolutely loving the football we play right now.

Cracking 3 points though, putting us in a good place going into a semi-final. It gets so, so much worse than this.

[weecounty hibby]

I think there is no doubt that there is ambition shown by the club over the recent transfer windows. Great to see and obviously what Ron wants for the club is improvement. But aye, you are an arse licker 😃

[Peevemor]

It makes me wonder what we'd be doing if there was normal money coming in. Ron's certainly put his money where his mouth is and I can't wait to see what he does when we eventually get back to normality.

[Souter96Mac]

At the risk of being labelled an arse licker again, I’m interested to know if the signings of Cadden, Irvine, Nisbet and Magennis, as well as the re-signing of Boyle, are sufficient evidence of the club showing ambition or not?

Tonight we sit in third place with another cup semi final to look ahead to

At what point do we acknowledge that things are actually going pretty well?

Don't forget we've done all of this during a global pandemic, with the club's income greatly impacted (as have every other club in the country) but that definitely needs to be factored. The club is certainly going in the right direction.

[Jones28]

Why?

Isn’t it obvious? We’re third and in the league cup semi final 😂

[matty_f]

I think there is no doubt that there is ambition shown by the club over the recent transfer windows. Great to see and obviously what Ron wants for the club is improvement. But aye, you are an arse licker 😃

:greengrin

[Heisenberg]

Why?

Sorry wasn’t a serious post :greengrin

[Pretty Boy]

I don't anyone could argue we have lacked ambition with the signings we have made and expect to be taken seriously.

Discussions around the performance levels in some games are valid, both as individual entities and as part of a bigger picture (that's neither a positive or negative comment, just an observation). However beating the club with the 'lack of ambition' stick is just a nonsense at the moment.

[Unseen work]

I would say the club have shown ambition since we got relegated and Dempster took charge.

Just because not every signing works out doesn’t show a lack of ambition, all managers since then have been backed and backed well might I add. Plenty have came with a good reputation, for a few or been a big name.

Since we got relegated we’ve signed guys like;

Ofir Maricano
Adam Bogdan
Efe Ambrose
Ryan Gauld
Stephane Omeonga
Scott Allan
Fraser Fyvie
Dylan McGeough
John McGinn
Joe Newell
Christian Doidge
Tom James
Jackson Irvine
Greg Docherty
Kevin Nisbet
Stephen Mallan
Darryl Horgan
Kyle Magennis
Chris Cadden
Mark Milligan
Miquel Nelom
Mark McNulty
Jamie Murphy
Josh Vela
Flo Kamberi
Jamie Maclaren
Brandon Barker
Emerson Hyndman
Vykintas Slivka


All of those guys came with a fee, good reputation or decent pedigree - the board can’t tell how each one will perform.

The board is not the issue.

[jeffers]

It makes me wonder what we'd be doing if there was normal money coming in. Ron's certainly put his money where his mouth is and I can't wait to see what he does when we eventually get back to normality.

Has he though ? Absolutely we are backing Ross, but we cut the squad dramatically in the summer as well as bringing fees in. He gave the distinct impression at the AGM that he has put in all he was going to.

That’s not to say I’m unhappy with how things are going although it can be a hard watch at times.

[The Spaceman]

Ambition and actualisation are very much separate things that often get conflated when things aren't going well. I think you're right that we've been showing ambition for a good while, it just hasn't been a perfectly upward trajectory.

Sitting 3rd and 5 points off Celtic, in a semi final, having signed Cadden and Irvine - it's a position we'd have taken before the season started. That's for damn sure.

Nailed it.

[Brightside]

3rd not good enough. We should be 2nd. 😂

[matty_f]

I don't anyone could argue we have lacked ambition with the signings we have made and expect to be taken seriously.

Discussions around the performance levels in some games are valid, both as individual entities and as part of a bigger picture (that's neither a positive or negative comment, just an observation). However beating the club with the 'lack of ambition' stick is just a nonsense at the moment.

It does get brought up we have a bad performance or result though, where the insinuation is that those results are acceptable or where the club are happy to be.

The thread’s not asking about comments in performance, i think even the most blinkered of us would acknowledge we’ve not been hitting the levels of performance we’d want to see. I think those criticisms are mostly fair (some are way over the top and some don’t stand up to scrutiny, but in the main I agree with a lot of the gripes about how we’ve played at times).

[Peevemor]

Has he though ? Absolutely we are backing Ross, but we cut the squad dramatically in the summer as well as bringing fees in. He gave the distinct impression at the AGM that he has put in all he was going to.

That’s not to say I’m unhappy with how things are going although it can be a hard watch at times.The 3 guys we just brought in won't be the cheapest and so far nobody has left.

During the summer we trimmed the squad but also paid transfer fees (the fee paid for Nisbet probably equates to another player for a season or two).

[loanheadhibby]

Club had ambitions to finish best of the rest.. As others have said, you wonder if the team has performed to its true capabilities tho. We are boring to watch and sh?t the bed in our biggest game of the season.

But we beat Killie 2 0 at home so all is good just now. Imagine how happy we’d be if we’d taken care of Ross County and Livi.

[The Modfather]

Since Dempster arrived I don’t think we’ve lacked ambition. We’ve fully backed all managers, made marquee signings and paid fees. Post Stubbs and up until the last couple of windows I’d question how effective we’ve been in making the most of that ambition. Like others I also think there’s a separate debate to be had about our current style and are we getting the most out of the attacking talent we have.

[Steve88]

At the risk of being labelled an arse licker again, I’m interested to know if the signings of Cadden, Irvine, Nisbet and Magennis, as well as the re-signing of Boyle, are sufficient evidence of the club showing ambition or not?

Tonight we sit in third place with another cup semi final to look ahead to

At what point do we acknowledge that things are actually going pretty well?

Yes, the club is showing ambition.

In reference to point 2, when we begin to deliver consistent league positions (top 3 or 4) qualifying us for EUROPA as per our clubs stated objectives...

[jeffers]

The 3 guys we just brought in won't be the cheapest and so far nobody has left.

During the summer we trimmed the squad but also paid transfer fees (the fee paid for Nisbet probably equates to another player for a season or two).

James left, I’m hoping Wigan are picking up at least part of what I believe is a decent wage.

I think we are using our funds towards the team, something I didn’t always feel we did in previous years. My point was I don’t think RG is putting any more in, but what he is doing is sanctioning the spending of the money we do have available.

[SHODAN]

Can't complain about our signings this season. :aok:

[hibsforeurope]

We are where we are now which is good but Ross himself hit the nail on the head in his interview last night. We’re a window or so away from being as consistent as he would like.
Definitely showing ambition and growing the quality in the squad.

[Since452]

Remember the January window when we unveiled Soares, Claros, Kujabi and O'Donovan? Makes me want to vomit. Seems like a lifetime ago now thankfully.

[Andy74]

Remember the January window when we unveiled Soares, Claros, Kujabi and O'Donovan? Makes me want to vomit. Seems like a lifetime ago now thankfully.

That window wasn’t the problem. It was the fact they were all largely better than who we already had.

[660]

Claros was decent

[Stokesy's on fire]

At the risk of being labelled an arse licker again, I’m interested to know if the signings of Cadden, Irvine, Nisbet and Magennis, as well as the re-signing of Boyle, are sufficient evidence of the club showing ambition or not?

Tonight we sit in third place with another cup semi final to look ahead to

At what point do we acknowledge that things are actually going pretty well?

When we see cups the Green and White ribbons on them.

[Stokesy's on fire]

Claros was decent

Agreed

[Mikey_1875]

It does get brought up we have a bad performance or result though, where the insinuation is that those results are acceptable or where the club are happy to be.

The thread’s not asking about comments in performance, i think even the most blinkered of us would acknowledge we’ve not been hitting the levels of performance we’d want to see. I think those criticisms are mostly fair (some are way over the top and some don’t stand up to scrutiny, but in the main I agree with a lot of the gripes about how we’ve played at times).

The club are certainly showing ambition with signings made. I don’t think its a widespread opinion at all though that when a bad result comes along people say the club isn’t showing ambition. Certainly not since Ron took over and our signings in the summer.

The biggest issue I can see after defeats are about performance levels/style of play. I know you are saying the threads not asking about this but the last question in your OP I think goes hand in hand with performances/style on the park. Since we don’t have a realistic chance of winning the league the performance holds a lot more weight and when bad results come in this is the first thing that people will jump on.

Personally I hope the style and performance will come through the continuous improvement of our squad with signings we are making but can understand posters thinking based on the evidence so far that this may not come under Ross and it will be functional football majority of the time.

[B.H.F.C]

At the risk of being labelled an arse licker again, I’m interested to know if the signings of Cadden, Irvine, Nisbet and Magennis, as well as the re-signing of Boyle, are sufficient evidence of the club showing ambition or not?

Tonight we sit in third place with another cup semi final to look ahead to

At what point do we acknowledge that things are actually going pretty well?

I think we can acknowledge things are going well at the end of the season if we’ve finished in a European place. Or in six week time if we’ve won the league cup.

Got a real chance to achieve something this season. At worst we should achieve one of the above. Really good chance to make it a really successful season though.

What I would say is Ross has definitely been backed.

[Ozyhibby]

I think Ron Gordon is starting to show an ambition at Hibs we haven’t seen in 30 years. Who knows how it will turn out but the last two windows have def shown ambition. The club also appear to have stepped up their game commercially, the benefit of which won’t be seen till we are back in the stadium. Signing players this window in the position we are in make absolutely no sense unless the owner is looking at the bigger picture. There is no doubt in my mind Petrie would have battened down the hatches in the summer (and would have been praised for his good sense by many) and we would not have signed the player we have. Gordon is obviously a different character and appear to be using other teams weakness as an opportunity. I much prefer the Gordon way.


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[Wakeyhibee]

At the risk of being labelled an arse licker again, I’m interested to know if the signings of Cadden, Irvine, Nisbet and Magennis, as well as the re-signing of Boyle, are sufficient evidence of the club showing ambition or not?

Tonight we sit in third place with another cup semi final to look ahead to

At what point do we acknowledge that things are actually going pretty well?

Now, 4th would be a decent finish, we're still pushing 3rd even after a dip. I think the club as a whole is going in the right direction and we've added without offloading (so far) in difficult circumstances.

I think that shows ambition to push on and a lot more than I expected.

[Peevemor]

James left, I’m hoping Wigan are picking up at least part of what I believe is a decent wage.

I think we are using our funds towards the team, something I didn’t always feel we did in previous years. My point was I don’t think RG is putting any more in, but what he is doing is sanctioning the spending of the money we do have available.We'll see once the accounts are published, but I'm fairly certain that Ron will be ponying up a fair whack to get us through the season.

[NAE NOOKIE]

We do seem to have made what looked like really good signings, but for one reason or another most of them haven't made a huge difference so far with the exceptions of Nesbit, Gogic and to a lesser extent Murphy.

Kyle Magennis had St Mirren fans raging at losing their best player, but his Hibs career has barely started due to injury.

Stephen McGinn has barely featured, though I'm not sure if that's due to injury or of JR just sees him as a filler.

Drey Wright was lauded by Tommy Wright as one of his best signings for St Johnstone, but he has failed to live up to such a compliment for us.

Jamie Murphy is clearly a talent, but he is going to have to show that he isn't injury prone having already missed a few games for that reason.

Now we have two more new signings in Irvine and Cadden, but both of them are way short of game time and will take a while to get up and running, though Irvine did fine today to be fair.

That list certainly shows ambition to me, the trick will be to get them all fit and up to speed .... Once we do that we will have a chance of putting a really good team on the park capable of playing some decent and successful football, once they actually have a pitch more suited to their talents of course.

[at last 61]

Yes we are not playing great football just now but we are getting the right players in it will take time for them to gel we have signed a good few players when there is not a lot of money coming in , and no sponsor as we are rightly praising the NHS, very happy with hibs

[Key West]

I think Hibs are definitely showing ambition with their recruitment.

[Rumble de Thump]

Paul McGinn has been one of our best signings.

[Liam978]

At the risk of being labelled an arse licker again, I’m interested to know if the signings of Cadden, Irvine, Nisbet and Magennis, as well as the re-signing of Boyle, are sufficient evidence of the club showing ambition or not?

Tonight we sit in third place with another cup semi final to look ahead to

At what point do we acknowledge that things are actually going pretty well?

When the manager is on a par with his signings.

[Jim44]

At the risk of being labelled an arse licker again, I’m interested to know if the signings of Cadden, Irvine, Nisbet and Magennis, as well as the re-signing of Boyle, are sufficient evidence of the club showing ambition or not?

Tonight we sit in third place with another cup semi final to look ahead to

At what point do we acknowledge that things are actually going pretty well?

No arse licking there for me, Matty. That’s a reasonable account of where we are at. If folk want to pick holes in our present situation, rock on. Most of us are surely sleeping well at nights.😴

[Jim44]

When the manager is on a par with his signings.

In other words, the meal is pretty good, despite the chef being crap. :rolleyes:

[Corstorphine Hibby]

When the manager is on a par with his signings.

What's your beef with the manager ?

[SCHAEDYSHORTS]

I often read many posts on here regarding the ambition of RG & Hibs in general but so far I’ve seen nothing but a club trying to push on, he spoke great things about his plans at the last AGM, only to have to alter & adjust as we all have with COVID. He’s taken time to assess the club, whilst probably adjusting finances to suit, with some tough decisions taken regarding staff etc along the way.
The bit that puzzles me most is not the clubs ambitions but more so the fans. We are currently enjoying our biggest crowds for 50 years & have the amazing support of our season ticket holders but we still don’t sell our stadium out week in week out? (Pre-COVID)
We often take 30,000 to Hampden & as we proved on that wonderful weekend in May, can get in access of 100,000 turn up to parade, so why can’t we get those extra bums on seats?
There’s lots of talk of Hearts & Aberdeen having more finance than us but if we have real ambition to see our club challenging for the top three & in regular cup finals then we surely need to back RG & the management?
Supporting Hibs is by definition never easy but we have a fabulous infrastructure in place now & cracking stadium, all which is I believe pretty much paid for so maybe we will now see the investment on the pitch that we yearn for but we need to do our bit.
GGTHH:flag:

[jacomo]

I often read many posts on here regarding the ambition of RG & Hibs in general but so far I’ve seen nothing but a club trying to push on, he spoke great things about his plans at the last AGM, only to have to alter & adjust as we all have with COVID. He’s taken time to assess the club, whilst probably adjusting finances to suit, with some tough decisions taken regarding staff etc along the way.
The bit that puzzles me most is not the clubs ambitions but more so the fans. We are currently enjoying our biggest crowds for 50 years & have the amazing support of our season ticket holders but we still don’t sell our stadium out week in week out? (Pre-COVID)
We often take 30,000 to Hampden & as we proved on that wonderful weekend in May, can get in access of 100,000 turn up to parade, so why can’t we get those extra bums on seats?
There’s lots of talk of Hearts & Aberdeen having more finance than us but if we have real ambition to see our club challenging for the top three & in regular cup finals then we surely need to back RG & the management?
Supporting Hibs is by definition never easy but we have a fabulous infrastructure in place now & cracking stadium, all which is I believe pretty much paid for so maybe we will now see the investment on the pitch that we yearn for but we need to do our bit.
GGTHH:flag:


I think the anti Farmer brigade (folk like Simon Pia with an axe to grind) persuaded a minority that the old regime couldn’t be trusted. Some of that lingering resentment might remain.

Broadly speaking we are in a good place. If supporters don’t want to get behind the club now, when will they? I appreciate that money may be tight for money but it’s not just about financial backing - supporting Hibs on social media rather than hurling abuse would help, for example.

[Dashing Bob S]

I think the anti Farmer brigade (folk like Simon Pia with an axe to grind) persuaded a minority that the old regime couldn’t be trusted. Some of that lingering resentment might remain.

Broadly speaking we are in a good place. If supporters don’t want to get behind the club now, when will they? I appreciate that money may be tight for money but it’s not just about financial backing - supporting Hibs on social media rather than hurling abuse would help, for example.

I agree with this to an extent - but moaning about your club is part of your dna as a football fan. I think we often make the mistake of seeking logic in a behavior that is inherently illogical- and the better for it.

[Since90+2]

Ron Gordon has never publicly spoken about his personal wealth and it doesn't appear to be noted anywhere online.

I suspect he is perhaps more wealthy than we initially first thought. Nothing more than a hunch but given the circumstances we are operating in and the signings we have made I think he's pretty well off.

[Lago]

Why?
It's called humour 🤷*♀️

[Pilrig_Sauzee]

Ambition is football isn’t always easy to see or realise. I think Hibs have balanced caution and ambition in the last 5 years and grown. This season we could easily have not sigend many players, settled for stability and keep some cash, but we took a different approach and with some typical Hibs stumbling along the way we have a cracking 2nd half of the season to look forward to. Ross is slowly turning over the squad and building the team he wants while getting the most (in general, not in all cases) from what he has, which has us sutting third. If we keep Ross for anothe year or two we’ll see some swagger to match the more functional stuff we’ve played at times.

[WhileTheChief..]

Who isn’t acknowledging that things are going well?

Most Hibs fans seem to be happy and the media have been full of praise for us all season.

I don’t see the negativity that is being hinted at.

[matty_f]

Who isn’t acknowledging that things are going well?

Most Hibs fans seem to be happy and the media have been full of praise for us all season.

I don’t see the negativity that is being hinted at.

We had a thread on here about wanting Ron Gordon to show some ambition if HSL wanted us to ship into our pockets for their campaign, posts about Jack Ross getting punted etc.

[Cropley10]

At the risk of being labelled an arse licker again, I’m interested to know if the signings of Cadden, Irvine, Nisbet and Magennis, as well as the re-signing of Boyle, are sufficient evidence of the club showing ambition or not?

Tonight we sit in third place with another cup semi final to look ahead to

At what point do we acknowledge that things are actually going pretty well?


Well said. Completely agree.

[MWHIBBIES]

I think Ron Gordon is starting to show an ambition at Hibs we haven’t seen in 30 years. Who knows how it will turn out but the last two windows have def shown ambition. The club also appear to have stepped up their game commercially, the benefit of which won’t be seen till we are back in the stadium. Signing players this window in the position we are in make absolutely no sense unless the owner is looking at the bigger picture. There is no doubt in my mind Petrie would have battened down the hatches in the summer (and would have been praised for his good sense by many) and we would not have signed the player we have. Gordon is obviously a different character and appear to be using other teams weakness as an opportunity. I much prefer the Gordon way.


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Petrie and Ron Gordon are not the same thing. Farmer was the owner.

[hibbysam]

Petrie and Ron Gordon are not the same thing. Farmer was the owner.

Isn’t Ron the chairman as well?

[MWHIBBIES]

Isn’t Ron the chairman as well?

Still not the same thing. Petrie was never the owner, he was never going to invest, he literally didn't have the money to do that.

[hibbysam]

Still not the same thing. Petrie was never the owner, he was never going to invest, he literally didn't have the money to do that.

While true of new money coming in, I’d hazard a guess that even money we do have will be spent differently. Ron is more likely to stop other projects or use reserves that we have built up, whereas Petrie would be more likely to save them just in case this sort of situation carried on longer. Neither are wrong approaches.

[dp00]

I’ve always thought we are being pretty harsh on the club this year , surely this year is all just about survival, get to end of season in best possible position then hopefully next season we can’t hit some normality


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[HairyMM]

At the risk of being labelled an arse licker again, I’m interested to know if the signings of Cadden, Irvine, Nisbet and Magennis, as well as the re-signing of Boyle, are sufficient evidence of the club showing ambition or not?

Tonight we sit in third place with another cup semi final to look ahead to

At what point do we acknowledge that things are actually going pretty well?


Any fair minded Hibernian supporter will accept we are being as ambitious as possible during unprecedented difficulties. You only have to look at our SPFL rivals activity to compare ambition levels. We are going about our business quite nicely in my opinion 😀:flag:

[Clarence]

Sorry wasn’t a serious post :greengrin

Heisenberg’s uncertainty principle strikes again.

[EI255]

Given the current financial predicament, I think we are doing just fine, all things considered.

The press even had a go at us for having the nerve to spend money.

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[superfurryhibby]

Club had ambitions to finish best of the rest.. As others have said, you wonder if the team has performed to its true capabilities tho. We are boring to watch and sh?t the bed in our biggest game of the season.

But we beat Killie 2 0 at home so all is good just now. Imagine how happy we’d be if we’d taken care of Ross County and Livi.

I suspect the biggest game of our season is yet to come.

[loanheadhibby]

At the risk of being labelled an arse licker again, I’m interested to know if the signings of Cadden, Irvine, Nisbet and Magennis, as well as the re-signing of Boyle, are sufficient evidence of the club showing ambition or not?

Tonight we sit in third place with another cup semi final to look ahead to

At what point do we acknowledge that things are actually going pretty well?

A week’s a long time in footballl.

Any update on the ambition tonight?

[Tambo]

Said on a couple threads time for Ron to step up, does he want to keep seeing his team that he owns getting to semis then loosing under Ross.

Yes the league looks good on paper but let's be real overall it's really bad.

[loanheadhibby]

Said on a couple threads time for Ron to step up, does he want to keep seeing his team that he owns getting to semis then loosing under Ross.

Yes the league looks good on paper but let's be real overall it's really bad.

Jack Ross is a very lucky man that there are no crowds currently allowed in to games. He’s getting a free run at this management lark.

Time for the owner to show some ambition by getting in a top quality manager.

[matty_f]

A week’s a long time in footballl.

Any update on the ambition tonight?

Are we going to do this game by game? Very clever.

[hibbysam]

Said on a couple threads time for Ron to step up, does he want to keep seeing his team that he owns getting to semis then loosing under Ross.

Yes the league looks good on paper but let's be real overall it's really bad.

For 20 odd years we’ve got to semis and lost, and when we’ve got by the semi, we get pumped in the final, it’s not a new thing under Jack Ross unfortunately.

[BegbieHSC]

I’d say Ron has stood up, and backed the manager with a playing budget larger than we’ve had for years (in the midst of a pandemic.)

The buck stops at the manager’s and players mentality.

Ron must be absolutely fuming right now!

[B.H.F.C]

Are we going to do this game by game? Very clever.

Is that not kind of what you did last week, after our first win in five, when you asked when folk would accept we were doing all right?

[loanheadhibby]

Are we going to do this game by game? Very clever.

I asked a genuine question? Last week your opinion was that the club has lots of ambition. What’s your thoughts now on your post?

[matty_f]

Is that not kind of what you did last week, after our first win in five, when you asked when folk would accept we were doing all right?

Not really, that was after however many games in the season when we were already in the semi final. I can’t remember if it was before or after we’d brought in three new (good) signings as well.

Losing the semi final doesn’t mean we didn’t have ambitions or try to get to the final.

[matty_f]

I asked a genuine question? Last week your opinion was that the club has lots of ambition. What’s your thoughts now on your post?

It hasn’t changed. We didn’t lose tonight because we weren’t ambitious.

We didn’t make 3 signings in this window because we didn’t want to push on.

[loanheadhibby]

It hasn’t changed. We didn’t lose tonight because we weren’t ambitious.

We didn’t make 3 signings in this window because we didn’t want to push on.

So where is it going wrong? The club showing ambition in signing 3 good players. Is the manager or players not up to it?

[B.H.F.C]

Not really, that was after however many games in the season when we were already in the semi final. I can’t remember if it was before or after we’d brought in three new (good) signings as well.

Losing the semi final doesn’t mean we didn’t have ambitions or try to get to the final.

I think there is enough to suggest the owner/board have shown a bit of ambition. Manager has been backed, in the circumstances, more than any previously IMO.

However, you asked when we’d all accept it’s going well. After tonight, I don’t think it is. We’ve blown some huge opportunities this year.

[matty_f]

So where is it going wrong? The club showing ambition in signing 3 good players. Is the manager or players not up to it?

I think the manager and the players take the blame for tonight.

I don’t think it’s anything to do with ambition at a wider level at the club.

The manager and the players are on record as saying they wanted to win the cup. The ambition was there, but that was about all there was tonight.

[matty_f]

I think there is enough to suggest the owner/board have shown a bit of ambition. Manager has been backed, in the circumstances, more than any previously IMO.

However, you asked when we’d all accept it’s going well. After tonight, I don’t think it is. We’ve blown some huge opportunities this year.

I think when we start a season the club want to win trophies and qualify for Europe through league placing. The minimum target is cup semi finals. We have been to the last two semi finals and fallen short but we’ve been there to do it.

[Danderhall Hibs]

So where is it going wrong? The club showing ambition in signing 3 good players. Is the manager or players not up to it?

I think you’re getting mixed up with a club having ambition and a team not playing well.

[Stuart93]

I think when we start a season the club want to win trophies and qualify for Europe through league placing. The minimum target is cup semi finals. We have been to the last two semi finals and fallen short but we’ve been there to do it.

We may as well throw the towel in if these last two semi finals are any ****ing barometer of success, Jesus Christ.

A minimum requirement should never be semi finals. You get **** all for a semi final as we’ve experienced.

[Jones28]

I asked a genuine question? Last week your opinion was that the club has lots of ambition. What’s your thoughts now on your post?

What do you want Matty to say? We showed ambition in the transfer market, we missed chances in a big game and ended getting turned over chasing goals.

A poor result doesn’t change that.

[Jones28]

We may as well throw the towel in if these last two semi finals are any ****ing barometer of success, Jesus Christ.

A minimum requirement should never be semi finals. You get **** all for a semi final as we’ve experienced.

What Hibs team have you been watching these last (I presume that you are a 93 born like me) 27/8 years? We have, consistently, marked semi finals as a marker of a reasonable season in all my time watching Hibs.

[hibbysam]

We may as well throw the towel in if these last two semi finals are any ****ing barometer of success, Jesus Christ.

A minimum requirement should never be semi finals. You get **** all for a semi final as we’ve experienced.

Whilst I agree, we can’t exactly say the minimum requirement year after year is winning trophies as we’d have a new manager every 6 months. It all depends on situations. Europe is a given every year, that should never change. Cups are all dependant on draws, our expectations for this cup should’ve been huge, if we draw the old firm less so.

[Stuart93]

What Hibs team have you been watching these last (I presume that you are a 93 born like me) 27/8 years? We have, consistently, marked semi finals as a marker of a reasonable season in all my time watching Hibs.

That’s potentially why we fall at that hurdle more often than not. Why not set our sights higher? The fact having a semi final as a marker of a reasonable season speak volumes.

[matty_f]

We may as well throw the towel in if these last two semi finals are any ****ing barometer of success, Jesus Christ.

A minimum requirement should never be semi finals. You get **** all for a semi final as we’ve experienced.

As a club we’ll have targets. At the start of every season we’ll have ambitions to win the league and to win both cups.

The reality is that it’s extremely difficult to do those things, so you have a minimum target - say, for arguments’ sake that those minimums are 4th place and the semi finals of the cups.

It’s not successful in the same way that winning the cup is but if you’re setting objectives you have to be able to agree that they’ve been achieved.

[Viva_Palmeiras]

A week’s a long time in footballl.

Any update on the ambition tonight?

Go girl you’re on a roll tonight!

[Stuart93]

As a club we’ll have targets. At the start of every season we’ll have ambitions to win the league and to win both cups.

The reality is that it’s extremely difficult to do those things, so you have a minimum target - say, for arguments’ sake that those minimums are 4th place and the semi finals of the cups.

It’s not successful in the same way that winning the cup is but if you’re setting objectives you have to be able to agree that they’ve been achieved.

But surely these targets will change depending on how the season progresses? With the teams left in the league cup semis this season we absolutely cannot count falling at the semi final as any kind of success or minimum target. We should’ve won that cup as a minimum target.

[matty_f]

But surely these targets will change depending on how the season progresses? With the teams left in the league cup semis this season we absolutely cannot count falling at the semi final as any kind of success or minimum target. We should’ve won that cup as a minimum target.

The manager and the players all said they had targeted winning the cup. They fell short.

[Jones28]

That’s potentially why we fall at that hurdle more often than not. Why not set our sights higher? The fact having a semi final as a marker of a reasonable season speak volumes.

What, me as a fan saying a semi final is not a terrible outcome is why we have a ***** record at a hampden?

The fans expectations mean **** all, it’s like when people say they won’t accept a result. It’s a consideration for the board perhaps, but what bearing does it actually have on the season?

[B.H.F.C]

I think when we start a season the club want to win trophies and qualify for Europe through league placing. The minimum target is cup semi finals. We have been to the last two semi finals and fallen short but we’ve been there to do it.

You’re no counting reaching the semi finals as success? Couple of defeats after winning some rounds against lower league teams to get to a semi.

Ross and Porteous were very open that their target was to win a trophy (not reach a semi final). Talked the talk, didn’t walk the walk.

We have blown two incredible opportunities.

[Hibernian Verse]

Matty I agree with you but that expectation changes when you are, by league table, the best side left in the draw.

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[Booked4Being-Ugly]

You’re no counting reaching the semi finals as success? Couple of defeats after winning some rounds against lower league teams to get to a semi.

Ross and Porteous were very open that their target was to win a trophy (not reach a semi final). Talked the talk, didn’t walk the walk.

We have blown two incredible opportunities.

We have blown the best 2 opportunities we’re ever likely to face.

If not now then when, as the song goes.

[matty_f]

You’re no counting reaching the semi finals as success? Couple of defeats after winning some rounds against lower league teams to get to a semi.

Ross and Porteous were very open that their target was to win a trophy (not reach a semi final). Talked the talk, didn’t walk the walk.

We have blown two incredible opportunities.

No, I’m not.

[loanheadhibby]

What do you want Matty to say? We showed ambition in the transfer market, we missed chances in a big game and ended getting turned over chasing goals.

A poor result doesn’t change that.

we did not get turned over chasing goals. We never laid a glove on them 2nd half. We capitulated tonight.

[matty_f]

we did not get turned over chasing goals. We never laid a glove on them 2nd half. We capitulated tonight.

That’s nothing to do with ambition though.

[B.H.F.C]

That’s nothing to do with ambition though.

You weren’t just asking about ambition though.

“At what point do we acknowledge that things are actually going pretty well?”

I think this is the bit that folk are disagreeing with. Or more not answering favourably to.

[Pretty Boy]

I've just posted on another thread but it probably fits better on here.

Ross has been backed more than any manager in our recent history. We have paid out decent transfer fees and are clearly paying good wages to attract some of the players we have. We also got Boyle tied down to a long term deal (which everyone wanted at the time before someone brings up his recent form).

There's not been a chronic lack of ambition from the club. They have given the manager their backing to build a squad and it's a sqaud with a reasonable degree of depth to it as well when you look at the players not even stripped for us tonight.

I'm angry about tonight as will various people at the club be. I'm not sure it can be argued that tonight is proof of a lack of ambition though. The tools were there to have a team capable not only of reaching the semi final but also going on to win the trophy. The failure to do so comes down to a performance level that wasn't good enough. What happens to that performance level between now and the end of the season will determine whether it is Jack Ross or another manager being financially backed at the beginning of next season. It will also determine whether we can reasonably argue things are going well or not.

[Danderhall Hibs]

But surely these targets will change depending on how the season progresses? With the teams left in the league cup semis this season we absolutely cannot count falling at the semi final as any kind of success or minimum target. We should’ve won that cup as a minimum target.

Do your objectives at work flip flop around like that? You agree a goal at the start of the year then your manager says “nah it’s easier now that Kaths not here - do more”

[Alfred E Newman]

The board have shown ambition by backing the manager financially in difficult times. Once again we seem to have spent loads of money on good players but, not for the first time, the current incumbent of the hot seat has not assembled a reliable side that won't get turned over at the worst possible moment by a team of workhorses.

[loanheadhibby]

That’s nothing to do with ambition though.

It’s maybe an indication tho that things are not going as well as you alluded to in your opening post.

[Pretty Boy]

Do your objectives at work flip flop around like that? You agree a goal at the start of the year then your manager says “nah it’s easier now that Kaths not here - do more”

I think quite often objectives and more rarely formal targets do evolve depending on the environment you are working in.

I was given a sales target at work at the end of February last year to carry me through to the end of this financial year. It's theoretically still in place but I'm almost certain failure to meet it won't be used against me at my annual appraisal given 95% of my customers have been shut all year.

I think it will be acknowledged Ross met his main target of reaching a semi final (if that was indeed a target). Equally though given the make up of the semi finals I think there will also be some consideration given to the fact we didn't perform as well as hoped from the position we found ourselves in.

I don't think it's that uncommon to revise and reevaluate your aims as a business depending on the position you find yourself in at any given time.

[Real Emerald]

What worries me is that fans have got out of the habit of going to games and after paying for a season ticket with no actual games it may be difficult to resurrect the enthusiasm. Watching Hibs give away two semi finals in the manner we did won’t help to rekindle the enthusiasm to renew season tickets or walk ups as Jack Ross seams to have the team playing a type of football devolved from passion. I honestly don’t think he has it to inspire greatness, sadly. Don’t know where we go from here?

[Pretty Boy]

What worries me is that fans have got out of the habit of going to games and after paying for a season ticket with no actual games it may be difficult to resurrect the enthusiasm. Watching Hibs give away two semi finals in the manner we did won’t help to rekindle the enthusiasm to renew season tickets or walk ups as Jack Ross seams to have the team playing a type of football devolved from passion. I honestly don’t think he has it to inspire greatness, sadly. Don’t know where we go from here?

I think that's worthy of consideration.

People forget that our ST sales over the last few seasons are actually pretty abnormal and are largely of the back of the SC win followed up by winning the Championship and the momentum built of the back of that. The last time we saw comparable numbers came after the 2 good season under Mowbray and the LC win, that dwindled away very quickly when momentum was lost.

ST sales held up this year at least in part because of a perceived financial crisis on the horizon. Will they hold up as well next year if we continue in a comparable vein of form to the end of the season? We usually release our ST campaign in early March (I'm sure it was delayed last year) so a LC final would have been pretty good timing to cash in on a feel good factor. It's another potential opportunity lost.

[Green-Hibee-7]

For what it is worth, I actually agree with what the poster said about our ambition being to be making semi-finals and in the top 4 places in the league. That’s fine. If you give me that every year with the odd cup final then grand. As someone in their late twenties I’d see that as more than acceptable.

However ambitions change with the circumstances. We should not be just happy at being in the semi-final and falling short. With the greatest of respect it is Livingston, St Johnstone & St Mirren. We have better players, facilities and resources. The ambition at that stage is to put down a marker as favourites and lift the trophy. Hugely hugely disappointing. Tonight’s performance and to a lesser extent the semi against Hearts are unforgivable.

I really can’t see how people can try and defend tonight.

[matty_f]

For what it is worth, I actually agree with what the poster said about our ambition being to be making semi-finals and in the top 4 places in the league. That’s fine. If you give me that every year with the odd cup final then grand. As someone in their late twenties I’d see that as more than acceptable.

However ambitions change with the circumstances. We should not be just happy at being in the semi-final and falling short. With the greatest of respect it is Livingston, St Johnstone & St Mirren. We have better players, facilities and resources. The ambition at that stage is to put down a marker as favourites and lift the trophy. Hugely hugely disappointing. Tonight’s performance and to a lesser extent the semi against Hearts are unforgivable.

I really can’t see how people can try and defend tonight.

I haven’t seen anyone defending tonight.