Management of Scottish Footbal

[gbhibby]

Yesterday's events highlighted the lack of leadership and organisation in the hierarchy of the Scottish game. The game has had think tank after think tank and what has been achieved, zilch. The organisation of the bodies is old fashioned and outdated and there is too much duplication. These organisations are for the benefit of the clubs not for the benefit of the people who are employed or serve on committees. I thought that Rod Petrie would make a difference but he has become the invisible man.
The system is broken and needs fixed. The clubs in the lower leagues must be raging at what happened yesterday. Just seen in the news that the compliance officer is looking now at pictures of Celtic players on their trip. These pictures were in the public domain last week.

[Peevemor]

Yesterday's events highlighted the lack of leadership and organisation in the hierarchy of the Scottish game. The game has had think tank after think tank and what has been achieved, zilch. The organisation of the bodies is old fashioned and outdated and there is too much duplication. These organisations are for the benefit of the clubs not for the benefit of the people who are employed or serve on committees. I thought that Rod Petrie would make a difference but he has become the invisible man.
The system is broken and need fixed. The clubs in the lower leagues must be raging at what happened yesterday. Just seen in the news that the compliance officer is looking now at pictures of Celtic players on their trip. These pictures were in the public domain last week.

I'll no doubt get pelters for this but I disagree.

The authorities (civil & football alike) maybe didn't act quickly enough to change the rules and prevent Celtic from travelling, but Celtic themselves exploited a loophole to enable their trip to go ahead and have rightly been criticised by everyone.

But yesterday wasn't a shambles. Protocols were followed and Celtic had to isolate 13 players.

Where's the shambles?

As for the SPFL & SFA, that's a whole different subject.

However the SPFL is run by the clubs, for the clubs.

Now isn't the time for either to make wholesale changes with the very future of the game as we know it in doubt.

[Northernhibee]

But yesterday wasn't a shambles. Protocols were followed and Celtic had to isolate 13 players.

Where's the shambles?


You were saying this yesterday and I really struggle to see where you're coming from with your point of view. As per protocols, Celtic had to isolate 13 players but we know that all Celtic players did not follow protocol whilst in Dubai. This could put fair doubt on the following process of determining who should be isolating or who may be incubating. The fact that Ian Maxwell has confirmed that pictures of the squad in Dubai are being investigated shows that the SFA/SPFL know that protocols weren't followed by Celtic either.

Add to that the assistant manager seemingly having no idea on whether Duffy was eligible to play or not shows a lack of understanding of protocol as well.

If Celtic were to have had another round of testing on the morning of the game then that may have put one clubs mind at rest, and would be more likely to result in a fair contest. As it was when it should have been the club who didn't follow protocol who should have been punished, we were held to ransom to play the game under penalty of points deductions and fines whilst clearly not comfortable in doing so.

Failure after failure after failure of common sense. It should have been made clear that a training camp to Dubai was a stupid idea when Celtic reached out, then someone at Celtic should have cancelled the trip, then the players should have not been in a position where they could have a bevvy and break protocol, then when we requested further testing it should have been agreed considering that we know there was reasonable doubt on how much protocol had or had not been followed.

We were treated absolutely abysmally last night and if one of our players contracts COVID from playing last nights game we should take legal action against those responsible immediately.

[H18 SFR]

As soon as the clubs agree with the OP then they can vote for change.

[gbhibby]

I'll no doubt get pelters for this but I disagree.

The authorities (civil & football alike) maybe didn't act quickly enough to change the rules and prevent Celtic from travelling, but Celtic themselves exploited a loophole to enable their trip to go ahead and have rightly been criticised by everyone.

But yesterday wasn't a shambles. Protocols were followed and Celtic had to isolate 13 players.

Where's the shambles?

As for the SPFL & SFA, that's a whole different subject.

However the SPFL is run by the clubs, for the clubs.

Now isn't the time for either to make wholesale changes with the very future of the game as we know it in doubt.

My point in the post is why we have three different bodies running Scottish football when one will do. I agree that Celtic exploited loopholes and probably conformed to all protocols Hibs were refused a reasonable request as it was not necessary under the CURRENT protocols.

You said as for the SPFL and SFA thats a whole different subject please elaborate.

The organisation of the game in Scotland has been discussed for years. I agree that this is not the time to now but it needs to be put on the table.

My concerns are not for the"elite" clubs but the lower league clubs.

[Peevemor]

You were saying this yesterday and I really struggle to see where you're coming from with your point of view. As per protocols, Celtic had to isolate 13 players but we know that all Celtic players did not follow protocol whilst in Dubai. This could put fair doubt on the following process of determining who should be isolating or who may be incubating. The fact that Ian Maxwell has confirmed that pictures of the squad in Dubai are being investigated shows that the SFA/SPFL know that protocols weren't followed by Celtic either.

As I suggested yesterday, the very fact that Celtic had to sideline 13 players is surely a result of breaches of protocol, otherwise there wouldn't have been so many close contacts.


Add to that the assistant manager seemingly having no idea on whether Duffy was eligible to play or not shows a lack of understanding of protocol as well.

That's his problem, not the authorities.


If Celtic were to have had another round of testing on the morning of the game then that may have put one clubs mind at rest, and would be more likely to result in a fair contest. As it was when it should have been the club who didn't follow protocol who should have been punished, we were held to ransom to play the game under penalty of points deductions and fines whilst clearly not comfortable in doing so.

Apparently the experts said that another round of testing was of no use/interest. Do you know better than them?

As for Hibs being "held to ransom", that's nonsense. It was decided that the game was to go ahead and Hibs had to comply.


Failure after failure after failure of common sense. It should have been made clear that a training camp to Dubai was a stupid idea when Celtic reached out, then someone at Celtic should have cancelled the trip, then the players should have not been in a position where they could have a bevvy and break protocol, then when we requested further testing it should have been agreed considering that we know there was reasonable doubt on how much protocol had or had not been followed.

We were treated absolutely abysmally last night and if one of our players contracts COVID from playing last nights game we should take legal action against the SPFL immediately.

I still don't get this abysmal treatment. What was it?

[ScottB]

Ultimately, any body running the league / game is going to suffer from the outsized economic and political power of the Old Firm.

Had it been any of the other 10 clubs that had nipped abroad, came back with a case and half their team in isolation, they’d have had the book thrown at them.

I assume the league just lack the balls to do that to Celtic. In the moment it certainly seems like a lot of the Celtic support was as outraged by their clubs activities, but whether that would have continued if their slim title hopes had been extinguished by a 3-0 win awarded to us is another question.

I’m not sure what reforms or appointments you could make to change that reality, as the sway the Old Firm has over all aspects of Scottish football; media, pundits, finance, jobs etc will all remain. We saw some elements of the media trying to position Hibs as the villain for ***** sake, when it looked like the game might not happen.

[Peevemor]

My point in the post is why we have three different bodies running Scottish football when one will do. I agree that Celtic exploited loopholes and probably conformed to all protocols Hibs were refused a reasonable request as it was not necessary under the CURRENT protocols.

You said as for the SPFL and SFA thats a whole different subject please elaborate.


SFA & SPFL - who's the 3rd?

The SPFL is a private company that the clubs themselves decided to set up. The SFA govern the game in Scotland. I don't see that changing anytime soon.


The organisation of the game in Scotland has been discussed for years. I agree that this is not the time to now but it needs to be put on the table.

The current set-up has only been in place since 2013.

[Northernhibee]

As for Hibs being "held to ransom", that's nonsense. It was decided that the game was to go ahead and Hibs had to comply.



I still don't get this abysmal treatment. What was it?

We were not comfortable playing the game considering that opposition players had shared a plane home with someone who was positive and incubation periods may still be in place. If we were comfortable there would have been none of the pantomime that unfolded last night. When it comes to the safety of our employees, we are required to take all precautions to ensure that they are in a safe working environment and as such, the request for a further round of testing to ensure that the virus had not spread further round the opposition players on that aeroplane was reasonable. You also must remember that we're now dealing with a new strain of the virus that we are still learning about, and one thing we do know is that it is far more easily transmitted.

As for "As for Hibs being "held to ransom", that's nonsense. It was decided that the game was to go ahead and Hibs had to comply.", you've proven my point for me. We had to comply at the risk of sanctions and penalties even though we had not been given a satisfactory answer to our request of testing which was one of our requests to safeguard our staff.

I'm baffled that a Hibs fan can look at that last night and go "that was proper good that, we've been put right in our place". First we are asked to reschedule the game to a Monday night so another team can go for a wee bevvy and a bit of running around in Dubai and we were overruled. We then asked for an additional round of testing to allow us to play that game in the confidence that our staff would be safe, and that was rejected. If someone was to look at that and go "Yep, Hibs were treated as they should be" then I'd be amazed to hear they were a Hibby.

[gbhibby]

SFA & SPFL - who's the 3rd?

The SPFL is a private company that the clubs themselves decided to set up. The SFA govern the game in Scotland. I don't see that changing anytime soon.



The current set-up has only been in place since 2013.
I was including the juniors as the third body.

[Peevemor]

We were not comfortable playing the game considering that opposition players had shared a plane home with someone who was positive and incubation periods may still be in place. If we were comfortable there would have been none of the pantomime that unfolded last night. When it comes to the safety of our employees, we are required to take all precautions to ensure that they are in a safe working environment and as such, the request for a further round of testing to ensure that the virus had not spread further round the opposition players on that aeroplane was reasonable. You also must remember that we're now dealing with a new strain of the virus that we are still learning about, and one thing we do know is that it is far more easily transmitted.

Not according to Jack Ross - “Players are fairly robust but they will take on board what their loved ones say. There is not one single player who stepped off the bus feeling anxious about playing, though.”


As for "As for Hibs being "held to ransom", that's nonsense. It was decided that the game was to go ahead and Hibs had to comply.", you've proven my point for me. We had to comply at the risk of sanctions and penalties even though we had not been given a satisfactory answer to our request of testing which was one of our requests to safeguard our staff.

Again you seel to be of a different opinion to our manager.

"The club had asked for the Celtic players who would be playing to undergo additional testing but their request was rejected. Ross said that was disappointing but had no impact on his team’s performance.

“Those in charge of the medical aspect, after we had it explained, said it wouldn’t make any difference. But we have a right to look after our players and staff. Current circumstances make people more anxious.


“It didn’t affect our preparations. We just faced a different team to what we’ve prepared for.”


I'm baffled that a Hibs fan can look at that last night and go "that was proper good that, we've been put right in our place". First we are asked to reschedule the game to a Monday night so another team can go for a wee bevvy and a bit of running around in Dubai and we were overruled. We then asked for an additional round of testing to allow us to play that game in the confidence that our staff would be safe, and that was rejected. If someone was to look at that and go "Yep, Hibs were treated as they should be" then I'd be amazed to hear they were a Hibby.


Yeah, that's exactly how I see things right enough.

[Peevemor]

I was including the juniors as the third body.

As far as I know the Juniors are separate by choice - I've no idea why.

[gbhibby]

Not according to Jack Ross - “Players are fairly robust but they will take on board what their loved ones say. There is not one single player who stepped off the bus feeling anxious about playing, though.”



Again you seel to be of a different opinion to our manager.

"The club had asked for the Celtic players who would be playing to undergo additional testing but their request was rejected. Ross said that was disappointing but had no impact on his team’s performance.

“Those in charge of the medical aspect, after we had it explained, said it wouldn’t make any difference. But we have a right to look after our players and staff. Current circumstances make people more anxious.


“It didn’t affect our preparations. We just faced a different team to what we’ve prepared for.”



Yeah, that's exactly how I see things right enough.
Is that you Mr Maxwell?

[Peevemor]

Is that you Mr Maxwell?

Who?

[Crab apple]

We were not comfortable playing the game considering that opposition players had shared a plane home with someone who was positive and incubation periods may still be in place. If we were comfortable there would have been none of the pantomime that unfolded last night. When it comes to the safety of our employees, we are required to take all precautions to ensure that they are in a safe working environment and as such, the request for a further round of testing to ensure that the virus had not spread further round the opposition players on that aeroplane was reasonable. You also must remember that we're now dealing with a new strain of the virus that we are still learning about, and one thing we do know is that it is far more easily transmitted.

As for "As for Hibs being "held to ransom", that's nonsense. It was decided that the game was to go ahead and Hibs had to comply.", you've proven my point for me. We had to comply at the risk of sanctions and penalties even though we had not been given a satisfactory answer to our request of testing which was one of our requests to safeguard our staff.

I'm baffled that a Hibs fan can look at that last night and go "that was proper good that, we've been put right in our place". First we are asked to reschedule the game to a Monday night so another team can go for a wee bevvy and a bit of running around in Dubai and we were overruled. We then asked for an additional round of testing to allow us to play that game in the confidence that our staff would be safe, and that was rejected. If someone was to look at that and go "Yep, Hibs were treated as they should be" then I'd be amazed to hear they were a Hibby.

According to Leanne Dempster we weren’t even asked to reschedule the game to the Monday. We were told after the authorities had agreed to Celtic’s request.

[hibbydad]

Who?
It is allvery well talking about protocols but were Hazard, Turnbull Mcgregor , Frimpong and the left back not in Dubai.If they were then protocols have not been observed and there should be an enquiry into Celtic's team selection

[Peevemor]

It is allvery well talking about protocols but were Hazard, Turnbull Mcgregor , Frimpong and the left back not in Dubai.If they were then protocols have not been observed and there should be an enquiry into Celtic's team selection

On what basis? Being in Dubai with the party isn't a reason.

[gbhibby]

As far as I know the Juniors are separate by choice - I've no idea why.
My point I am making is that without Juniors and the lower league clubs the games poorer. We now have a pyramid system in place so my point is we need to look at how we do things if can be done better and more efficiently, change. It's what business does all the time

[Northernhibee]

Not according to Jack Ross - “Players are fairly robust but they will take on board what their loved ones say. There is not one single player who stepped off the bus feeling anxious about playing, though.”



Again you seel to be of a different opinion to our manager.

"The club had asked for the Celtic players who would be playing to undergo additional testing but their request was rejected. Ross said that was disappointing but had no impact on his team’s performance.

“Those in charge of the medical aspect, after we had it explained, said it wouldn’t make any difference. But we have a right to look after our players and staff. Current circumstances make people more anxious.


“It didn’t affect our preparations. We just faced a different team to what we’ve prepared for.”



Yeah, that's exactly how I see things right enough.

So we weren't anxious about it at all, but we decided to request the Celtic players received an additional round of testing and informed our players that they could withdraw from the game if they wished just for bants and giggles?

We don't just do these things for fun.

[Peevemor]

So we weren't anxious about it at all, but we decided to request the Celtic players received an additional round of testing and informed our players that they could withdraw from the game if they wished just for bants and giggles?

We don't just do these things for fun.

Take that up with Jack Ross - these are direct quotes.

[hibbydad]

On what basis? Being in Dubai with the party isn't a reason.
Mu understanding wasthat protocall was announced last week that travellers returning from Dubai would require to self isolate

[Northernhibee]

Take that up with Jack Ross - these are direct quotes.

No, you're the one taking the side of the management of Scottish Football who in essence told us to sit down, shut up and know our place. I want to understand why you're OK with that.

[HibeeHibernian4]

The biggest shambles is that (as far as I know) there isn't a contingency plan in place for if/when the league is cut short by coronavirus. Given the massive uproar last summer you'd have thought they might have got the clubs round the table to discuss what the outcome would be but apparently not! :rolleyes:

[Peevemor]

Mu understanding wasthat protocall was announced last week that travellers returning from Dubai would require to self isolate

That does apply to those involved in elite sport.

[Andy74]

The biggest shambles is that (as far as I know) there isn't a contingency plan in place for if/when the league is cut short by coronavirus. Given the massive uproar last summer you'd have thought they might have got the clubs round the table to discuss what the outcome would be but apparently not! :rolleyes:

The clubs declined to do so. They will decide what to do when it happens.

[Peevemor]

No, you're the one taking the side of the management of Scottish Football who in essence told us to sit down, shut up and know our place. I want to understand why you're OK with that.

I'm not taking anyone's side. I try to understand the rules and procedures that are in place and accordingly form my opinion of what will most likely happen.

I don't necessarily think that the match should have been played last night, but in terms of the procedures that are in place there was no reaso for it not to.

There's no point shouting and bawling for certain actions to be taken if there's no mechanism in the rules for these to happen.

[gbhibby]

Who?
Mr Ian Maxwell SFA

[Dan Sarf]

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2021/jan/12/celtic-plasticine-empire-is-collapsing-amid-arrogance-and-awful-decisions-apologise-dubai

Almost beginning to feel sorry for the Celtc fans.







Nah.

[Allez Hibs]

Scottish football is corrupt. Celtic are above the law. That was shown yesterday. It's outrageous. But, its not helped by the way clubs voted to end last season, that was the opportunity to move away from the short term mentality of smaller clubs living off 4/5 clubs to a 16/18 team league playing each other twice, spreading the revenue therefor ensuring the futures of more clubs.

[lucky]

The OF run Scottish football. No team out with the OF would have got away with this. The trip has been a PR disaster for Celtic and Scottish football. The team Celtic put out was stronger than anyone expected. I don’t think it was unreasonable for Hibs to request more tests, even if it gave 1 player or their family a bit more peace of mind. At the end of the day this football we are talking about and I tell you now it’s now where near as important as public health and the life of any human.

We all love the game and getting results but the reality every club is just looking out for themselves. No game at any level should be taking place without the same protocols and protection for all players whether in L2 or the premiership. If clubs can’t pay for tests they can’t play or risk players. Part time football should be banned they are not elite athletes. It’s time for the Scottish government to deal with the embarrassment that Maxwell, Petrie and Doncaster have become.

[Peevemor]

Scottish football is corrupt. Celtic are above the law. That was shown yesterday. It's outrageous. But, its not helped by the way clubs voted to end last season, that was the opportunity to move away from the short term mentality of smaller clubs living off 4/5 clubs to a 16/18 team league playing each other twice, spreading the revenue therefor ensuring the futures of more clubs.

In what way?

[HibeeHibernian4]

The OF run Scottish football. No team out with the OF would have got away with this. The trip has been a PR disaster for Celtic and Scottish football. The team Celtic put out was stronger than anyone expected. I don’t think it was unreasonable for Hibs to request more tests, even if it gave 1 player or their family a bit more peace of mind. At the end of the day this football we are talking about and I tell you now it’s now where near as important as public health and the life of any human.

We all love the game and getting results but the reality every club is just looking out for themselves. No game at any level should be taking place without the same protocols and protection for all players whether in L2 or the premiership. If clubs can’t pay for tests they can’t play or risk players. Part time football should be banned they are not elite athletes. It’s time for the Scottish government to deal with the embarrassment that Maxwell, Petrie and Doncaster have become.

No team would have even been given the chance. If Hibs go to the SPFL and ask for the Celtic game to be moved back 48 hours so we can go to Dubai for a week beforehand, we're told to "**** off" and the game stays as it is on Saturday.

Will the authorities learn from this disaster? No, Celtic will do it all over again next year.

[Andy74]

No team would have even been given the chance. If Hibs go to the SPFL and ask for the Celtic game to be moved back 48 hours so we can go to Dubai for a week beforehand, we're told to "**** off" and the game stays as it is on Saturday.

Will the authorities learn from this disaster? No, Celtic will do it all over again next year.

If we are the home team and ask for a change the same weekend period then we get to change too.

[gbhibby]

Take that up with Jack Ross - these are direct quotes.
If we are on the subject of direct quotes did Jack Ross not say that players are employees of the club and are no different to other employees.

[Allez Hibs]

In what way?

Where to begin? How Celtic won the league last season for a start.

Hibs not being consulted with the Celtic game being moved to last night and then being told they'd be punished if they didn't fulfil the fixture after having safety concerns with Celtics situation.

Add to that how they were treated with the player that played against Kilmarnock compared to St Mirren and Hamilton.

[Peevemor]

If we are on the subject of direct quotes did Jack Ross not say that players are employees of the club and are no different to other employees.

I don't know. What's your point?

[HibeeHibernian4]

If we are the home team and ask for a change the same weekend period then we get to change too.

You can't seriously buy that weak excuse they put out?

I'm sure it'll be conveniently forgotten if we ever try to pull that against Celtic/Rangers and they refuse the move.

Not that we ever would, because we're not a club ran by ********s for ********s.

[Peevemor]

Where to begin? How Celtic won the league last season for a start.

Hibs not being consulted with the Celtic game being moved to last night and then being told they'd be punished if they didn't fulfil the fixture after having safety concerns with Celtics situation.

Add to that how they were treated with the player that played against Kilmarnock compared to St Mirren and Hamilton.

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You said "Celtic are above the law. That was shown yesterday."

Last season's league title has nothing to do with yesterday.

Under the rules that are in place, if Hibs hadn't played last night we would rightly have been sanctioned. There's no mechanism to do otherwise.

As for Kille & St Mirren, they weren't able to play their matches. Celtic were. There's a huge difference.

You can't just cherry pick rules to suit yourself.

Anyway, what's your other .net username again?

[Andy74]

You can't seriously buy that weak excuse they put out?

I'm sure it'll be conveniently forgotten if we ever try to pull that against Celtic/Rangers and they refuse the move.

Not that we ever would, because we're not a club ran by ********s for ********s.

It is the process that’s in place and has been in place for some time.

There’s plenty to complain about in terms of Celtic not applying common sense in the reason for changing date but there’s no real point getting angry about the process used to change the game date. It is what it is.

[Allez Hibs]

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You said "Celtic are above the law. That was shown yesterday."

Last season's league title has nothing to do with yesterday.

Under the rules that are in place, if Hibs hadn't played last night we would rightly have been sanctioned. There's no mechanism to do otherwise.

As for Kille & St Mirren, they weren't able to play their matches. Celtic were. There's a huge difference.

You can't just cherry pick rules to suit yourself.

Anyway, what's your other .net username again?

Another friendly post.

[Peevemor]

Another friendly post.

What's your other .net user name again?

[Keith_M]

The biggest shambles is that (as far as I know) there isn't a contingency plan in place for if/when the league is cut short by coronavirus. Given the massive uproar last summer you'd have thought they might have got the clubs round the table to discuss what the outcome would be but apparently not! :rolleyes:


A proposal was made by the SPFL to put such a plan in place and the Clubs rejected it.

The Clubs themselves then failed to come up with any alternative plan.

As much as I think there needs to be massive change in Scottish Football, this one's on the Clubs that voted no to the proposal.

[gbhibby]

A proposal was made by the SPFL to put such a plan in place and the Clubs rejected it.

The Clubs themselves then failed to come up with any alternative plan.

As much as I think there needs to be massive change in Scottish Football, this one's on the Clubs that voted no to the proposal.
I know the clubs need to start the ball rolling for change. My original post was based on points that Henry McLeish was raising on sportsound last night and the way things were handled yesterday and the publics perception on how it was handled. If you are a team in the lower leagues told that you have to stop until the end of the month and you have done everything possible to keep going and you hear about the Celtic situation you will feel a bit pissed off.

[hhibs]

No, you're the one taking the side of the management of Scottish Football who in essence told us to sit down, shut up and know our place. I want to understand why you're OK with that.


I suspect just for the sake of it.

[Peevemor]

I suspect just for the sake of it.

If you read my answer to the post you'll see that's not the case.

[hhibs]

If you read my answer to the post you'll see that's not the case.



Having read all the posts I still think you are just being contrary.

[gbhibby]

Having read all the posts I still think you are just being contrary.
I think it is anything I post he has not agreed with anything in my posts and seems to like to go on the attack even when presented with evidence to back up what people are saying. If I said the world was round he would argue it was flat.

[Peevemor]

Having read all the posts I still think you are just being contrary.

That's up to you.

People are saying that last night was a shambles. I don't think it was.

I'm not saying that the situation should have arisen, but it did and I understand how it did without any hint of cheating, OF bias or conspiracies.

[Peevemor]

I think it is anything I post he has not agreed with any of my posts and seems to like to go on the attack.

If you post something that I agree with then I won't "attack" it.

[gbhibby]

If you post something that I agree with then I won't "attack" it.
I think hell will freeze over before that happens. Your posts come across as being aggressive in their tone try to be a bit more conciliatory We are all Hibs.

[Danderhall Hibs]

I think hell will freeze over before that happens. Your posts come across as being aggressive in their tone try to be a bit more conciliatory We are all Hibs.

Disagreeing with people is allowed on here even if we all support the same team. From reading through I wouldn’t say Peevemor is attacking anyone.

[gbhibby]

Disagreeing with people is allowed on here even if we all support the same team. From reading through I wouldn’t say Peevemor is attacking anyone.
Yes everybody has the right to disagree I was only offering he or she a bit of feedback I like a debate like anybody else.

[Peevemor]

Yes everybody has the right to disagree I was only offering he or she a bit of feedback I like a debate like anybody else.You can also be pretty agressive in your posts when you want. Don't pretend otherwise.

[gbhibby]

You can also be pretty agressive in your posts when you want. Don't pretend otherwise.
OK I accept your feedback.

[kaimendhibs]

Heard from a friend today that Sportsound tried to get Doncaster but he was unavailable for comment.
WTF, on his salary.
Get rid of this clown

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[Keith_M]

I know the clubs need to start the ball rolling for change. My original post was based on points that Henry McLeish was raising on sportsound last night and the way things were handled yesterday and the publics perception on how it was handled. If you are a team in the lower leagues told that you have to stop until the end of the month and you have done everything possible to keep going and you hear about the Celtic situation you will feel a bit pissed off.


I know, I honestly wasn't disagreeing with that. :aok:


Just pointing out that any decision to end the season is going to end in acrimony and possible legal disputes, because of the way the clubs voted.

[hibbysam]

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You said "Celtic are above the law. That was shown yesterday."

Last season's league title has nothing to do with yesterday.

Under the rules that are in place, if Hibs hadn't played last night we would rightly have been sanctioned. There's no mechanism to do otherwise.

As for Kille & St Mirren, they weren't able to play their matches. Celtic were. There's a huge difference.

You can't just cherry pick rules to suit yourself.

Anyway, what's your other .net username again?

Celtic admitted to breaches of protocol when over in Dubai, pictures showed no social distancing and mingling with the public when over there. The fact 13 had to self isolate tells me that there would be serious doubts over the rest. The fact the SPFL were willing to potentially sacrifice the betfred cup semi final just so Celtic didn’t partake in an extra bout of testing tells me there was worries about what that testing might tell us. The fact Hibs went public with their concerns, and also the fact that Jack Ross admitted he spent hours pre game in calls and meetings rather than preparing his team says it was far from ideal and should’ve been dealt with far better and swifter.

[Peevemor]

Celtic admitted to breaches of protocol when over in Dubai, pictures showed no social distancing and mingling with the public when over there. The fact 13 had to self isolate tells me that there would be serious doubts over the rest. The fact the SPFL were willing to potentially sacrifice the betfred cup semi final just so Celtic didn’t partake in an extra bout of testing tells me there was worries about what that testing might tell us. The fact Hibs went public with their concerns, and also the fact that Jack Ross admitted he spent hours pre game in calls and meetings rather than preparing his team says it was far from ideal and should’ve been dealt with far better and swifter.

We're going around in circles and I'm not going to keep on repeating myself.

All I will say is that your post is based almost entirely on assumptions. The powers that be work with facts and with a set of rules which applies to everyone.

Some people seem hell bent on believing otherwise.

[Viva_Palmeiras]

What more needs to happen for folks to say enough is enough and clear the decks?

[hibbysam]

We're going around in circles and I'm not going to keep on repeating myself.

All I will say is that your post is based almost entirely on assumptions. The powers that be work with facts and with a set of rules which applies to everyone.

Some people seem hell bent on believing otherwise.

What assumptions? Are you saying the pictures were incorrect? Or that Kennedy was intentionally painting his club in bad light about protocol breaches? Or the fact 13 isolating shows that there were clear breaches? Only reason Celtic got the game on was due to the size of their squad, so they’ll get away with it, st mirren and Killie weren’t as lucky to have a big squad and got hammered for it. That shouldn’t come into it. It suits the big teams. A breach is a breach whether game goes ahead or not.

Hibs also said that the SPFL have agreed to postpone the semi final and Jack Ross said that he spent hours on the phone, are you saying that’s both untrue as well? Crazy.

[Peevemor]

What assumptions? Are you saying the pictures were incorrect? Or that Kennedy was intentionally painting his club in bad light about protocol breaches? Or the fact 13 isolating shows that there were clear breaches? Only reason Celtic got the game on was due to the size of their squad, so they’ll get away with it, st mirren and Killie weren’t as lucky to have a big squad and got hammered for it. That shouldn’t come into it. It suits the big teams. A breach is a breach whether game goes ahead or not.

Hibs also said that the SPFL have agreed to postpone the semi final and Jack Ross said that he spent hours on the phone, are you saying that’s both untrue as well? Crazy.

What did I say was untrue?

[hibbysam]

What did I say was untrue?

Unless all those people are lying then none of it is assumptions. And the pictures are fairly clear and obvious. You keep banging on about protocols and rules, these were broken and were admitted to have been broken, but because the game goes ahead Celtic get away with it, that’s the reality of the situation.

[Peevemor]

Unless all those people are lying then none of it is assumptions. And the pictures are fairly clear and obvious. You keep banging on about protocols and rules, these were broken and were admitted to have been broken, but because the game goes ahead Celtic get away with it, that’s the reality of the situation.OK.

[gbhibby]

We're going around in circles and I'm not going to keep on repeating myself.

All I will say is that your post is based almost entirely on assumptions. The powers that be work with facts and with a set of rules which applies to everyone.

Some people seem hell bent on believing otherwise.
We all know that the powers that be have to abide by the rules etc that were agreed by the clubs but my original post was, and I would like your thoughts if the powers that be handled both the events yesterday the lower league issue and the celtic trip situation professionally?

[telford hibbee]

My understanding is that when the players are on the pitch either playing or training then the 2 metre rule isn't enforced.
When you see the subs sitting in the stands they are normally well socially distanced from each other.
Having seen pictures from Dubai on social media how were they allowed to sit 2 to a sunbed?

[Andy74]

My understanding is that when the players are on the pitch either playing or training then the 2 metre rule isn't enforced.
When you see the subs sitting in the stands they are normally well socially distanced from each other.
Having seen pictures from Dubai on social media how were they allowed to sit 2 to a sunbed?

Yeah when we are talking about breaches of protocols what we are saying is that when not training or playing the usual social distancing should be adhered to.

In terms of the pictures, I’m not sure Id like to see evidence of what our own players are doing in their own time, particularly with each other. I think given they are all testing regularly and training and playing together then they may feel, wrongly of course in terms of the guidance, that they are in company that they know is safe.

I saw a couple of players from a team I won’t name Christmas shopping together. I know they don’t live together and they weren’t distanced. It will be happening everywhere unfortunately.

[Peevemor]

We all know that the powers that be have to abide by the rules etc that were agreed by the clubs but my original post was, and I would like your thoughts if the powers that be handled both the events yesterday the lower league issue and the celtic trip situation professionally?

I've said enough about yesterday. With the rules that are currently in place, I don't see what the authorities did wrong.

People keep speaking about photos & sun loungers, but all that mattered for yesterday was isolating those that had been in close contact with Jullien and making sure that those that played had tested negative within the approved time frame.

As for Celtic’s trip, for what it's worth I think they were wrong to go (same as everyone else), but they had the right to do it. Should the authorities have changed the rules at the last minute to stop Celtic going? That's a different story, but it should be remembered that elite sport isn't just football.

As for the lower leagues, what is there to do? The majority of these clubs are part time therefore their players and staff are far higher risk than those at Hibs or the like. Even if they had the money for testing I'm not sure they'd be safe enough. I think the 3 week shut down is probably sensible but who knows how long it will really last.

[gbhibby]

I've said enough about yesterday. With the rules that are currently in place, I don't see what the authorities did wrong.

People keep speaking about photos & sun loungers, but all that mattered for yesterday was isolating those that had been in close contact with Jullien and making sure that those that played had tested negative within the approved time frame.

As for Celtic’s trip, for what it's worth I think they were wrong to go (same as everyone else), but they had the right to do it. Should the authorities have changed the rules at the last minute to stop Celtic going? That's a different story, but it should be remembered that elite sport isn't just football.

As for the lower leagues, what is there to do? The majority of these clubs are part time therefore their players and staff are far higher risk than those at Hibs or the like. Even if they had the money for testing I'm not sure they'd be safe enough. I think the 3 week shut down is probably sensible but who knows how long it will really last.
Don't disagree with any of that. I think the powers that be need to front up and make statements to camera rather than hiding behind press releases it's what has to be done sometimes to gain respect. Protocols are not set in stone and need to be looked at as the virus is not going away

[CentreLine]

I've said enough about yesterday. With the rules that are currently in place, I don't see what the authorities did wrong.

People keep speaking about photos & sun loungers, but all that mattered for yesterday was isolating those that had been in close contact with Jullien and making sure that those that played had tested negative within the approved time frame.

As for Celtic’s trip, for what it's worth I think they were wrong to go (same as everyone else), but they had the right to do it. Should the authorities have changed the rules at the last minute to stop Celtic going? That's a different story, but it should be remembered that elite sport isn't just football.

As for the lower leagues, what is there to do? The majority of these clubs are part time therefore their players and staff are far higher risk than those at Hibs or the like. Even if they had the money for testing I'm not sure they'd be safe enough. I think the 3 week shut down is probably sensible but who knows how long it will really last.

Totally agree. There is little or nothing, within the rules, that the authorities could have done differently. I just don’t get why people are so very desperate to throw mud at authority just for the sake of it.

It seems to me that all of the “evidence” being presented of “shambles” is actions committed or omitted by Celtic football club. Plenty of evidence they are a shambles but not seeing much wrong with what the SPFL/SFA/JRG/SG have done in this instance.

[hibbysam]

Totally agree. There is little or nothing, within the rules, that the authorities could have done differently. I just don’t get why people are so very desperate to throw mud at authority just for the sake of it.

It seems to me that all of the “evidence” being presented of “shambles” is actions committed or omitted by Celtic football club. Plenty of evidence they are a shambles but not seeing much wrong with what the SPFL/SFA/JRG/SG have done in this instance.

I mean, apart from at the beginning letting them go while having 3 games in hand to catch up on with 2 free midweeks to do so when they know how difficult it is to fit games in this season (there own words). That’s just for starters though.

[HibeeHibernian4]

Totally agree. There is little or nothing, within the rules, that the authorities could have done differently. I just don’t get why people are so very desperate to throw mud at authority just for the sake of it.

It seems to me that all of the “evidence” being presented of “shambles” is actions committed or omitted by Celtic football club. Plenty of evidence they are a shambles but not seeing much wrong with what the SPFL/SFA/JRG/SG have done in this instance.

They could have said "don't go to Dubai in the middle of a pandemic" / "no we won't rearrange that fixture against Hibs' wishes" and this would've been done and dusted with none of the resulting controversy. That simple. :aok:

[Peevemor]

I mean, apart from at the beginning letting them go while having 3 games in hand to catch up on with 2 free midweeks to do so when they know how difficult it is to fit games in this season (there own words). That’s just for starters though.

Great. You're right. Well done.

[Peevemor]

They could have said "don't go to Dubai in the middle of a pandemic" / "no we won't rearrange that fixture against Hibs' wishes" and this would've been done and dusted with none of the resulting controversy. That simple. :aok:But they didn't. End of story!

[kaimendhibs]

But they didn't. End of story!Its hard to decide if you are Jason Leitch or Desmond Desmond.

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[Andy74]

Its hard to decide if you are Jason Leitch or Desmond Desmond.

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I think he's just giving a fair view on what the current rules are, not what we would all like them to be.

Same as the Duffy thread - there are all sorts of interpretations which are what people would like to think is happening but those aren't the rules and pieces of guidance that are in place.

Celtic are the ones that really had to look at the situation and judge whether they really needed a training camp. The 'authorities' have done what they could do with the current rules in place.

[hibsbollah]

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2021/jan/12/celtic-plasticine-empire-is-collapsing-amid-arrogance-and-awful-decisions-apologise-dubai

Almost beginning to feel sorry for the Celtc fans.







Nah.

That’s actually a good piece by Ewan Murray, who normally says nothing I agree with. ‘Entitlement culture’ is definitely the best word to describe the current world Celtic inhabit.

[gbhibby]

I think he's just giving a fair view on what the current rules are, not what we would all like them to be.

Same as the Duffy thread - there are all sorts of interpretations which are what people would like to think is happening but those aren't the rules and pieces of guidance that are in place.

Celtic are the ones that really had to look at the situation and judge whether they really needed a training camp. The 'authorities' have done what they could do with the current rules in place.
Andy I think the poster asking if he was Jason Leitch or Dermot Desmond was meant to be humorous. I was asked in a previous post if I was Jason Leitch I responded Aw Naw I have been rumbled.

[HibeeHibernian4]

But they didn't. End of story!

Well no it's not end of story is it?

It suggest that the authorities are happy to bend over backwards for Celtic and you saying "end of story" is an attitude which, if widespread enough, will allow them to do it again and again.

[Peevemor]

Well no it's not end of story is it?

It suggest that the authorities are happy to bend over backwards for Celtic and you saying "end of story" is an attitude which, if widespread enough, will allow them to do it again and again.

They didn't bend over backwards at all, in fact they would have had to change the rules to stop Celtic going.

Can't you see that?

And it's done now so what's the point in banging on about it?

[HibeeHibernian4]

They didn't bend over backwards at all, in fact they would have had to change the rules to stop Celtic going.

Can't you see that?

And it's done now so what's the point in banging on about it?

How would they have had to change the rules? By not changing our fixture this could have all been prevented. Celtic are passing the buck onto the JRG. If they'd said no to their request in November (like any normal country would) then this would've been avoided. What's the point in banging on about it? I'll just bump this thread next time Celtic are allowed to get away with murder. :aok:

[Peevemor]

How would they have had to change the rules? By not changing our fixture this could have all been prevented. Celtic are passing the buck onto the JRG. If they'd said no to their request in November (like any normal country would) then this would've been avoided. What's the point in banging on about it? I'll just bump this thread next time Celtic are allowed to get away with murder. :aok:

There's a provision in the SPFL rules where the home club can request to move the fixture within the same weekend. I was surprised that Monday night is included in the weekend but apparently that's the case. Nobody "bent over backwards" for Celtic and any club can do the same thing. Even though Hibs objected, standard procedure is to grant the request (or so we've been told - I'd imagine there must be precedent).

They haven't broken any rules so talk of them getting away with murder is just daft.

Time to get over it I think.

[Since452]

I mean, apart from at the beginning letting them go while having 3 games in hand to catch up on with 2 free midweeks to do so when they know how difficult it is to fit games in this season (there own words). That’s just for starters though.

Yup. Whole thing is a complete cluster****. One thing after the other.

[Keith_M]

There's a provision in the SPFL rules where the home club can request to move the fixture within the same weekend. I was surprised that Monday night is included in the weekend but apparently that's the case. Nobody "bent over backwards" for Celtic and any club can do the same thing. Even though Hibs objected, standard procedure is to grant the request (or so we've been told - I'd imagine there must be precedent).

They haven't broken any rules so talk of them getting away with murder is just daft.

Time to get over it I think.


Has there ever been any previous instances of a club requesting a game to be moved, where the other club objected but the SPFL (or SPL) granted the request regardless?

:dunno:


If there has, and this is therefore the standard practice, then we have to just accept that.

However, if this is the first time this has ever happened, then I think it's reasonable to question why the authorities granted the request in this intance

[gbhibby]

They didn't bend over backwards at all, in fact they would have had to change the rules to stop Celtic going.

Can't you see that?

And it's done now so what's the point in banging on about it?
Yes it's all done and dusted and there are more important things to be concerned with. There needs to be a moment of reflection from the SPFL SFA and Celtic football club. Celtic fans on social media were against them going on the trip, dubious if it met the criteria for elite sports. Scottish Government directives were to work from home where possible. Celtic have their own training facility. SPFL and SFA needed to grow a pair and told Celtic the would not sanction the trip. The SPFL and SFA then allowed Celtic to move their fixture because they were on the trip, there was an alternative because Hibs raised objections Celtic could have been told that they would have to reduce the length of their trip. Sometimes difficult decisions have to be made by people in charge that what they are paid to do.

[Steve20]

There's a provision in the SPFL rules where the home club can request to move the fixture within the same weekend. I was surprised that Monday night is included in the weekend but apparently that's the case. Nobody "bent over backwards" for Celtic and any club can do the same thing. Even though Hibs objected, standard procedure is to grant the request (or so we've been told - I'd imagine there must be precedent).

They haven't broken any rules so talk of them getting away with murder is just daft.

Time to get over it I think.

When two clubs can't agree, the home club get their way. It was clearly made up and if it had been the other way about, you can guarantee we would have been told to bolt. So yes, there was plenty of 'bending over backwards' for Celtic as per usual.

They know fine well they shouldn't have gone to Dubai. To constantly defend them when they've clearly taking the **** out of Hibs, football in this country and even their own fans is beyond belief.

Some people need to start seeing Celtic for what they are.

[HibeeHibernian4]

When two clubs can't agree, the home club get their way. It was clearly made up and if it had been the other way about, you can guarantee we would have been told to bolt. So yes, there was plenty of 'bending over backwards' for Celtic as per usual.

They know fine well they shouldn't have gone to Dubai. To constantly defend them when they've clearly taking the **** out of Hibs, football in this country and even their own fans is beyond belief.

Some people need to start seeing Celtic for what they are.

:top marks

[Peevemor]

Has there ever been any previous instances of a club requesting a game to be moved, where the other club objected but the SPFL (or SPL) granted the request regardless?

:dunno:


If there has, and this is therefore the standard practice, then we have to just accept that.

However, if this is the first time this has ever happened, then I think it's reasonable to question why the authorities granted the request in this intance

I couldn't tell you.

[HibeeHibernian4]

I couldn't tell you.

Well you seem to be blindly taking them at their word, in that case.

[Peevemor]

Yes it's all done and dusted and there are more important things to be concerned with. There needs to be a moment of reflection from the SPFL SFA and Celtic football club. Celtic fans on social media were against them going on the trip, dubious if it met the criteria for elite sports. Scottish Government directives were to work from home where possible. Celtic have their own training facility. SPFL and SFA needed to grow a pair and told Celtic the would not sanction the trip. The SPFL and SFA then allowed Celtic to move their fixture because they were on the trip, there was an alternative because Hibs raised objections Celtic could have been told that they would have to reduce the length of their trip. Sometimes difficult decisions have to be made by people in charge that what they are paid to do.

I agree, but when Celtic made the request, nobody was going that mental about them travelling. That came much later.

[Peevemor]

When two clubs can't agree, the home club get their way. It was clearly made up and if it had been the other way about, you can guarantee we would have been told to bolt. So yes, there was plenty of 'bending over backwards' for Celtic as per usual.

They know fine well they shouldn't have gone to Dubai. To constantly defend them when they've clearly taking the **** out of Hibs, football in this country and even their own fans is beyond belief.

Some people need to start seeing Celtic for what they are.

I'm not defending them.

[gbhibby]

I couldn't tell you.
You seem to quote rules and protocols based on what is quoted in the press the press don't always get their facts right.

[Peevemor]

Well you seem to be blindly taking them at their word, in that case.

I assume these things can be checked. Leeann went public to say we weren't happy. Had the guy been lying why didn't Leeann say anything?

Or we can always assume the worst and bore everyone going on about conspiracies that don't exist.

[HibeeHibernian4]

I agree, but when Celtic made the request, nobody was going that mental about them travelling. That came much later.

I did! :greengrin

[Peevemor]

You seem to quote rules and protocols based on what is quoted in the press the press don't always get their facts right.

FFS this is getting boring.

Go and research them then and come back to show me where I'm wrong.

[Keith_M]

I couldn't tell you.


No problem, it was more a general question


:aok:


(probably shouldn't have quoted you :greengrin)

[Peevemor]

No problem, it was more a general question


:aok:


(probably shouldn't have quoted you :greengrin)

You were right to ask. The guy's explanation did seem a bit far fetched, but given he wasn't contradicted by the very irate Leeann Dempster, nor the MSM, nor the hoardes of hun orcs who spend their lives dissecting everything Celtic do maybe he was telling the truth.

[gbhibby]

FFS this is getting boring.

Go and research them then and come back to show me where I'm wrong.
I have better things to do with my time. It would help if you could paste the information from the SPFL and SFA other posters have done this. I have no doubt that you have done your research. I have looked at some stuff on their rules but lost the will to live.

[Peevemor]

I have better things to do with my time. It would help if you could paste the information from the SPFL and SFA other posters have done this. I have no doubt that you have done your research. I have looked at some stuff on their ruled but lost the will to live.

OK I'll get back to you. :cool2:

[gbhibby]

OK I'll get back to you. :Ummm:

Please don't waste your time life is too short. 😁😁😁

[Is It On....]

Yesterday's events highlighted the lack of leadership and organisation in the hierarchy of the Scottish game. The game has had think tank after think tank and what has been achieved, zilch. The organisation of the bodies is old fashioned and outdated and there is too much duplication. These organisations are for the benefit of the clubs not for the benefit of the people who are employed or serve on committees. I thought that Rod Petrie would make a difference but he has become the invisible man.
The system is broken and needs fixed. The clubs in the lower leagues must be raging at what happened yesterday. Just seen in the news that the compliance officer is looking now at pictures of Celtic players on their trip. These pictures were in the public domain last week.

I don't think it's very well run [anyone remember the Ernie Walker / Jim Farry initiative about 30yrs ago that was supposed to look at the future of Scottish football but never produced anything?] but the recent fiasco is down to the decision of one club to have a wee holiday in Dubai (though it was facilitated by decision to change the date of their next fixture). Whilst the trip may have met the letter of the rules it didn't meet the spirit of the rules.

In my opinion, Scottish Football is in transition from being run in the interests of 1 club [Celtic] to 2 clubs [The Rangers and Celtic]. The various alphabets involved in running the game missed their opportunity to change things after Rangers were liquidated and Sevco were granted a place in League 2.
Sadly I don't expect anything to change for the better.

[hibbysam]

There's a provision in the SPFL rules where the home club can request to move the fixture within the same weekend. I was surprised that Monday night is included in the weekend but apparently that's the case. Nobody "bent over backwards" for Celtic and any club can do the same thing. Even though Hibs objected, standard procedure is to grant the request (or so we've been told - I'd imagine there must be precedent).

They haven't broken any rules so talk of them getting away with murder is just daft.

Time to get over it I think.

They could, and should have put a game on last midweek for Celtic to catch up on. That way there wouldn’t have been a request out to them.

[Peevemor]

They could, and should have put a game on last midweek for Celtic to catch up on. That way there wouldn’t have been a request out to them.

But they didn't. There's no point going around in circles.

I'm not saying it's right, but it's done.

[gbhibby]

I agree, but when Celtic made the request, nobody was going that mental about them travelling. That came much later.
Celtic fans were making noises about them going on the trip on social media but they chose to ignore their fans.

[hibbysam]

But they didn't. There's no point going around in circles.

I'm not saying it's right, but it's done.

They had that option though, and they had the option to reject the request on the grounds of health and safety and to catch up on games. There’s nothing in the rules that states that they had to be granted permission. It’s purely down to Iain Blair and the board and they’ve got it spectacularly wrong.

[Peevemor]

They had that option though, and they had the option to reject the request on the grounds of health and safety and to catch up on games. There’s nothing in the rules that states that they had to be granted permission. It’s purely down to Iain Blair and the board and they’ve got it spectacularly wrong.


But they didn't. There's no point going around in circles.

I'm not saying it's right, but it's done.

[hibbysam]

But they didn't. There's no point going around in circles.

I'm not saying it's right, but it's done.

So let’s just forget about it and not look into what became an absolute shambles? Essentially saying it doesn’t matter what decisions they make, once they’re done they’re done and we should just move on.

[Peevemor]

So let’s just forget about it and not look into what became an absolute shambles? Essentially saying it doesn’t matter what decisions they make, once they’re done they’re done and we should just move on.

There we go with the "absolute shambles" stuff again.

If you're going to "look into it" why do it on here? Any answer you don't like you just ignore and repeat the same questions and accusations over and over.

[hibbysam]

There we go with the "absolute shambles" stuff again.

If you're going to "look into it" why do it on here? Any answer you don't like you just ignore and repeat the same questions and accusations over and over.

You were the one that stated that it’s in the rules that the game will be moved when a request is made by the home club. Even though that’s not the case. It gets taken to the board and in any normal organisation, the thoughts of both clubs, along with the reasons for changing the game, should be taken into account. The game was moved for ‘player welfare’ reasons - how is that looking now? Oh yes, with numerous players self isolating and at risk of contracting a virus. Great decision.

[Peevemor]

You were the one that stated that it’s in the rules that the game will be moved when a request is made by the home club. Even though that’s not the case. It gets taken to the board and in any normal organisation, the thoughts of both clubs, along with the reasons for changing the game, should be taken into account. The game was moved for ‘player welfare’ reasons - how is that looking now? Oh yes, with numerous players self isolating and at risk of contracting a virus. Great decision.

What do you want me to say?

You've decided that things should have been done a certain way - FWIW I agree, however things were done differently, possibly even in line with precedent, and no rules were broken in the process.

You really have to calm down with this as you can't be doing yourself any good.

[hibbysam]

What do you want me to say?

You've decided that things should have been done a certain way - FWIW I agree, however things were done differently, possibly even in line with precedent, and no rules were broken in the process.

You really have to calm down with this as you can't be doing yourself any good.

I’m calm, this conversation is about the management of our game though. There seems to be plenty appetite through the game for change and I agree with them. Whether rules were broken or not, I don’t agree with the decisions, neither do Hibs for that matter (Jack Ross’ constant digs in the press last week and the subsequent statement on Monday). You don’t seem to believe that we should try and better our sport, I disagree and feel that we should be looking into every aspect of decision making. Quite clear the disregard they also had for the lower leagues based on the process of stopping their leagues.

[Peevemor]

I’m calm, this conversation is about the management of our game though. There seems to be plenty appetite through the game for change and I agree with them. Whether rules were broken or not, I don’t agree with the decisions, neither do Hibs for that matter (Jack Ross’ constant digs in the press last week and the subsequent statement on Monday). You don’t seem to believe that we should try and better our sport, I disagree and feel that we should be looking into every aspect of decision making.

Don't presume to know what I believe or disbelieve.


Quite clear the disregard they also had for the lower leagues based on the process of stopping their leagues.

As I said previously, I think the 3 week suspension for these leagues, made up of part time teams, probably isn't a bad thing. That's just my opinion which I don't feel strongly enough about to defend, so please don't go looking for another argument - I won't reply.

[hibbysam]

Don't presume to know what I believe or disbelieve.



As I said previously, I think the 3 week suspension for these leagues, made up of part time teams, probably isn't a bad thing. That's just my opinion which I don't feel strongly enough about to defend, so please don't go looking for another argument - I won't reply.

It’s not the stopping of the leagues that’s the issue, it’s clear the communications of such have been handled poorly yet again, such that complaints are raining in all over the shop. Just like the communications with us about the change of date for the Celtic game was complained about. We can do so much better.

[declan macmanus]

It’s not the stopping of the leagues that’s the issue, it’s clear the communications of such have been handled poorly yet again, such that complaints are raining in all over the shop. Just like the communications with us about the change of date for the Celtic game was complained about. We can do so much better.

I think stopping the lower two leagues only is an issue.. Falkirk and Partick who are both full time are right to question why they can't even train when there are part time clubs in the championship where players are going into other workplaces and then playing games (presumably going into work AFTER being tested a few days before that weekends fixtures).

The Championship should have been suspended too but I presume they didn't want the backlash from Hearts again...

[Monts]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/55644550

Falkirk having a go at the authorities over their handling of the suspension of the leagues.

[gbhibby]

What do you want me to say?

You've decided that things should have been done a certain way - FWIW I agree, however things were done differently, possibly even in line with precedent, and no rules were broken in the process.

You really have to calm down with this as you can't be doing yourself any good.
I gave you a bit of feedback on the tone of your posts coming accross as agressive clearly you have chose to ignore that. You assumed that the poster was in a heightened mental state a should calm down. You will go on the defensive no doubt when and if you reply to this post.

[bigwheel]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/55644550

Falkirk having a go at the authorities over their handling of the suspension of the leagues.

They’ve got a good set of points ..for the league to make that call without involving the clubs impacted is another shocking chapter. They should have at least been consulted..

[lucky]

I Have heard Celtic fans claim it’s an anti catholic conspiracy that’s taking place as the Scottish establishment don’t want 10 in a row. Some people just need to step back from this and just say it’s been a PR disaster and as a club they ****ed up. It’s nothing to do with religion it’s about Celtic believing they were right to choose to go or not

[gbhibby]

They’ve got a good set of points ..for the league to make that call without involving the clubs impacted is another shocking chapter. They should have at least been consulted..
This goes back to my original post. I can see the benefit of the shutdown as part time players are likely to be in multiple bubbles. There seems to be lack of professionalism in the hierarchy of the game especially if what is being quoted by the BBC is accurate.

[bigwheel]

This goes back to my original post. I can see the benefit of the shutdown as part time players are likely to be in multiple bubbles. There seems to be lack of professionalism in the hierarchy of the game especially if what is being quoted by the BBC is accurate.

the SFA/SPFL told Hibs that there is no risk of Covid infection during a game (as they did this week)..what’s the issue with lower league games continuing ??

Tbh, though, my main point is that the lower leagues have been given up as a sacrifice to issues bouncing around the top tier of scottish football without being allowed a voice in the matter ..it is so disrespectful for a member organisation to do this ...

[hibbysam]

Turns out clubs had absolutely no right of questioning at today’s meeting, 2 days after 20 clubs were told to stop all training and games they can’t question it. Clubs still haven’t received money from government, no right of questioning. Potential for season ending early, no right of questioning.

Couple that with yet another game called off on a 4G tonight, needs to be a rethink on the rules around them, they’re gaining a financial advantage while not putting procedures in place in regards heating or drainage.

[Aldo]

I wonder what the reasoning is behind suspending games in L1 and 2 and not the Championship??

Is it because Budge and co are playing in that league?

I suspect there will be call off’s in the Championship before long! With them only 10 games in, is there really any point in continuing??


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[Billy Whizz]

I wonder what the reasoning is behind suspending games in L1 and 2 and not the Championship??

Is it because Budge and co are playing in that league?

I suspect there will be call off’s in the Championship before long! With them only 10 games in, is there really any point in continuing??


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They are getting £500k each in payouts, lower leagues £150k
Testing costing £40k per month, no idea how accurate that figure is

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/55665247

[PatHead]

I wonder what the reasoning is behind suspending games in L1 and 2 and not the Championship??

Is it because Budge and co are playing in that league?

I suspect there will be call off’s in the Championship before long! With them only 10 games in, is there really any point in continuing??


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Raith Rovers wanting their game postponed this weekend.

[Aldo]

They are getting £500k each in payouts, lower leagues £150k
Testing costing £40k per month, no idea how accurate that figure is

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/55665247

Cheers Billy!


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[Aldo]

Raith Rovers wanting their game postponed this weekend.

And so it begins!


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[Eyrie]

The SPFL needs to rearrange the fixture lists for the three lower divisions so that each team has faced all of the others home and away once before the end of May, with each division then being declared completed and no third round of fixtures being played.

If that can't happen before then, players will be out of contract and the lower three leagues will need to be declared null and void with no promotion or no relegation.

Anything else would beggar belief.

[hibbysam]

The SPFL needs to rearrange the fixture lists for the three lower divisions so that each team has faced all of the others home and away once before the end of May, with each division then being declared completed and no third round of fixtures being played.

If that can't happen before then, players will be out of contract and the lower three leagues will need to be declared null and void with no promotion or no relegation.

Anything else would beggar belief.

Thus shafting the lowland and highland league teams out of yet another season of promotion. No thank you!

[Eyrie]

Thus shafting the lowland and highland league teams out of yet another season of promotion. No thank you!

My comment was aimed elsewhere :yamlaugh:

But being honest I was surprised at just how many leagues in Scotland were allowed to play until the suspension was announced. Can't see the sense in it when they're not allowed spectators.

[Aldo]

So Raith have been told they may have to forfeit their game against ICT at the weekend. Covid outbreak and they don’t have enough players.

Yet Aberdeen and Celtic get games postponed following players out on the piss and travelling abroad!

If Raith has done done everything possible to prevent this then why are they being punished?


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[Peevemor]

So Raith have been told they may have to forfeit their game against ICT at the weekend. Covid outbreak and they don’t have enough players.

Yet Aberdeen and Celtic get games postponed following players out on the piss and travelling abroad!

If Raith has done done everything possible to prevent this then why are they being punished?


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I don't think they have. It's their chairman who's saying that that's what will happen if the SPFL don't agree to postpone their match.

[Kinross Hibee]

As hibs fans we're naturally programmed to find this hilarious (should it happen) due to our born despise of Rangers. BUT, I personally think it would be an absolute disgrace if it happened. The fact that it wouldn't come as a shock to most in the Scottish game / the fans, highlights how broken our management of the game is. Change is needed now (or maybe after this one final sh*t show... just so we can LOL at Rangers yet again :na na:)

[gbhibby]

Raith could ask for their fixture to be rescheduled so that they can fulfil their fixture couldn't they? This does not need their opposition to be consulted.
Asking for a postponement, reschedule due to covid is a club acting responsibly.

The health and safety of employees is what is important. These are exceptional times and the SPFL need a reality check. Rather than pissing off their members with points deductions they should be trying their best to help the clubs. Rules and laws can be changed and amended.

[number9dream]

They are getting £500k each in payouts, lower leagues £150k
Testing costing £40k per month, no idea how accurate that figure is

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/55665247

I think that £40,000 is for the rest of the season... Roughly £75 a test. Most Championship squads will be significantly smaller than Hearts'.

[where'stheslope]

How can the SPFL/SFA cancel leagues 1+2 then the Scottish Cup for 3 weeks, and allow Celtic to take a trip to Dubia to train???
For these reasons alone they both need dumped and a new hierarchy put in place!!
If football ends up with a red card from the SG, its because of their inept rulings and guidance!!!

[gbhibby]

As hibs fans we're naturally programmed to find this hilarious (should it happen) due to our born despise of Rangers. BUT, I personally think it would be an absolute disgrace if it happened. The fact that it wouldn't come as a shock to most in the Scottish game / the fans, highlights how broken our management of the game is. Change is needed now (or maybe after this one final sh*t show... just so we can LOL at Rangers yet again :na na:)
I am sure that Celtic fans will be hoping that over 75% of fixtures are not completed. Wonder if there is a percentage of games that need to be completed before they can finish the season. If it was "null and void" Hearts would not be promoted.😂😂😂😂😂

[Kinross Hibee]

I am sure that Celtic fans will be hoping that over 75% of fixtures are not completed. Wonder if there is a percentage of games that need to be completed before they can finish the season. If it was "null and void" Hearts would not be promoted.😂😂😂😂😂

Well, When you put it like that ... Keep the board!:greengrin

[CropleyWasGod]

I am sure that Celtic fans will be hoping that over 75% of fixtures are not completed. Wonder if there is a percentage of games that need to be completed before they can finish the season. If it was "null and void" Hearts would not be promoted.😂😂😂😂😂

There is no plan. The SPFL Board suggested one, but that was rejected by the clubs. The clubs haven't come up with an alternative.

[gbhibby]

There is no plan. The SPFL Board suggested one, but that was rejected by the clubs. The clubs haven't come up with an alternative.
I knew that but I think now is the time for clubs to come up with one. In the event of the ending of the season early my feeling is that as long as each club has played each other home and away that would be fair. Don't know if there any other precedents set in war time?

[Eyrie]

There is no plan. The SPFL Board suggested one, but that was rejected by the clubs. The clubs haven't come up with an alternative.

My recollection is that their "plan" was only to empower the board to make a decision if required, rather than a proper proposal detailing what would happen in particular eventualities.

[hibbysam]

My recollection is that their "plan" was only to empower the board to make a decision if required, rather than a proper proposal detailing what would happen in particular eventualities.

That’s correct, it was to put any decision in the hands of the board rather than the clubs. When that was rejected the clubs should have been put round the table to discuss all potential outcomes, both through the season and at the season end (for example protocol breaches, postponed games, and how to define the season should it be cut short), instead of doing that, Doncaster took the huff and started moaning about the clubs not giving him the power.