Celtic goal

[Helensburghhibs]

Petty I know as it was a quality free kick but shouldn't have stood as Duffy was in our wall and not the required 1m away.

[CMurdoch]

Needless free kick as Gray's was in the game at Easter Rd

[tamig]

If Hanlon had jumped he would have stopped it.

[Scottie]

Why was Ryan not in the wall for us, he was standing 10 yards to the left of our goal :confused:

[hhibs]

It was no foul in the first place.

[bawheid]

I felt McGinn got the ball in real time.

[BILLYHIBS]

I felt McGinn got the ball in real time.
:agree:

[hibee_girl]

I felt McGinn got the ball in real time.

:agree: I did too

[bawheid]

Seen a replay and I still think he got the ball.

[hhibs]

Seen a replay and I still think he got the ball.

Mc Ginn got the ball .

I saw it first time ,ref conned(conveniently ?)

[Sammy7nil]

It was no foul in the first place.


I felt McGinn got the ball in real time.

Said that too he won the ball Celtic player kicked him and fell over.

[Eyrie]

I felt McGinn got the ball in real time.

Correct.

[NC1875]

Hanlon jumps and it’s not even a shot on target

[howdenthehibby]

Hanlon jumps and it’s not even a shot on target
McGinn won the ball then the Celtic player went over his le.Never a foul in the first place.Whats a player meant to do in these circumstances he won the ball before he went over his leg.Never a foul

[hibbysam]

Just posted in the other thread, glad someone else seen it (thought it was 2m, but even at 1m he stood right on the side of the wall).

[Carheenlea]

Just posted in the other thread, glad someone else seen it (thought it was 2m, but even at 1m he stood right on the side of the wall).

Didn`t notice that to be honest, and not 100% up on the rule.

Did notice the Celtic player take a total dive for the free kick though. Should have been a Hibs free kick and yellow for the Celtic player. Blatant cheating.

[howdenthehibby]

Never a Free kick in the first place McGinn won the ball before the Smelly fell over his leg FFS.

[gaz1875]

Craig Gordon on Sportscene confirmed Duffy in the wall should have been an indirect freekick to Hibs :grr:

[gbhibby]

Petty I know as it was a quality free kick but shouldn't have stood as Duffy was in our wall and not the required 1m away.

Well spotted thought that at the time.

[cabbageandribs1875]

i was a tad hard on McGinn for his "foul" but after seeing a couple of replays i think he did indeed get a touch on the ball first, whatever happened to the slow-motion replays so we can be 100% sure, bearing in mind the official has to go on real-time but i'm sure it wasn't too hard for him to give a foul in a dangerous area like that.

[SCHAEDYSHORTS]

Petty I know as it was a quality free kick but shouldn't have stood as Duffy was in our wall and not the required 1m away.

Totally correct, there’s a good piece on the BBC website about all the new rules, with explanations, there is even a photo of a free kick (Villa v Brighton I think) showing players opposing players in the wall, thus breaking the rules. The Celtic player in our wall even ducks if you watch the highlights, Steve McLean got it badly wrong......not for the first time😡

[The Harp]

It was never a free kick, McGinn won the ball fairly. Have to say Steven McLean has done us few favours since that Cup Final.

[kaimendhibs]

It was never a free kick, McGinn won the ball fairly. Have to say Steven McLean has done us few favours since that Cup Final.Punished us ever since

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[Hermit Crab]

If Scotland had VAR that goal would have been ruled out. (Well maybe not as it was Celtic)

[JimBHibees]

It was never a free kick, McGinn won the ball fairly. Have to say Steven McLean has done us few favours since that Cup Final.

Yep seems like he is trying to make up for something thought his general decision making in the game was pretty pro Celtic they got fouls we didn't get. To be fair the McGinn one looked a foul but slow motion showed he got the ball disappointing especially when the technical wall foul was ignored. Not sure if they standard of officiating has been lower. Every game you are expecting some monumental mistake to be made. Get the big decisions right ffs.

[Clarence]

Hanlon jumps and it’s not even a shot on target

I noticed this at the time, he ducked first and then did a wee jump. Don’t know if he would have stopped it if he had jumped but it was like he got a wee fright when the ball was kicked. Fair enough, most of us wouldn’t fancy getting skelped on the napper with a ball moving at that pace.

[lord bunberry]

It definitely wasn’t a free kick, Mcginn clearly wins the ball. I didn’t notice Duffy in the wall, but surely the referee has to see that.

[Keith_M]

Petty I know as it was a quality free kick but shouldn't have stood as Duffy was in our wall and not the required 1m away.


Is this a Covid regulation?

:dunno:

[lord bunberry]

Is this a Covid regulation?

:dunno:
The **** wasn’t even wearing a mask.

[Keith_M]

The **** wasn’t even wearing a mask.


He should have been in quarantine!


:grr:

[lord bunberry]

He should have been in quarantine!


:grr:
In Dubai.

[SQHib]

It definitely wasn’t a free kick, Mcginn clearly wins the ball. I didn’t notice Duffy in the wall, but surely the referee has to see that.

or the linesman near side ... or far side ... or 4th official .. :rules:

[greenginger]

or the linesman near side ... or far side ... or 4th official .. :rules:


The clip of freekick looking king down the pitch shows it all .

The Hibs wall with Duffy standing in the gap right next to the end of the Hibs wall. The ref is also in the picture looking straight at the wall and where Duffy is.

He’s obviously unaware of the rules.

[BlackSheep]

The officials in Scotland are years behind the top officials in standards and knowledge... the fact they are not professionals means they don't give a toss, in my opinion.

If we think EPL and the likes are working out all the kinks of VAR then we are mistaken, if, and thats a big IF, we get VAR then i can tell you know our officials will bumble their way through that as well.

I mean when was the last time you saw an official telling a player to leave by the nearest byline? There's no fans in now so no excuse about player safety?

Inconsistent enforcement and use of the newer offside regulations about letting play go on til the play finishes....

Handball in the box still applied inconsistently.

Sending off hedges and giving a penalty in the Dons v Huns game... incorrectly applied rules.

I could go on... and i implore anyone to add to this list.....!

[hibbysam]

The officials in Scotland are years behind the top officials in standards and knowledge... the fact they are not professionals means they don't give a toss, in my opinion.

If we think EPL and the like are working out all the kinks of VAR then we are mistaken, if, and that a big IF, we get VAR then i can tell you know our officials will bumble their way through that as well.

I mean when was the last time you saw an official telling a player to leave by the nearest byline? There's no fans in now so no excuse about player safety?

Inconsistent enforcement and use of the newer offside regulations about letting play go on tilt he play finishes....

Handball in the box still applied inconsistently.

Sending off hedges and giving a penalty in the Dons v Huns game... incorrectly applied rules.

I could go on... and i implore anyone to add to this list.....!

Can bash them about a lot but the Hedges one they correctly applied the rules when it would be easy not to. He never made a play for the ball so red card was correct, even if I don’t necessarily agree with that.

[BlackSheep]

Can bash them about a lot but the Hedges one they correctly applied the rules when it would be easy not to. He never made a play for the ball so red card was correct, even if I don’t necessarily agree with that.

Fair enough... but its open to debate in my opinion.

One instance applied correctly doesn't make up for a multitude of poor decisions.

[hibbysam]

Fair enough... but its open to debate in my opinion.

One instance applied correctly doesn't make up for a multitude of poor decisions.

It’s not open to debate. If you foul someone trying to win the ball you won’t be sent off, if you handball, pull or foul someone without trying to win the ball you’ll be sent off.

[greenginger]

The officials in Scotland are years behind the top officials in standards and knowledge... the fact they are not professionals means they don't give a toss, in my opinion.

If we think EPL and the likes are working out all the kinks of VAR then we are mistaken, if, and thats a big IF, we get VAR then i can tell you know our officials will bumble their way through that as well.

I mean when was the last time you saw an official telling a player to leave by the nearest byline? There's no fans in now so no excuse about player safety?

Inconsistent enforcement and use of the newer offside regulations about letting play go on til the play finishes....

Handball in the box still applied inconsistently.

Sending off hedges and giving a penalty in the Dons v Huns game... incorrectly applied rules.

I could go on... and i implore anyone to add to this list.....!


Our refs are maybe not full time professional, but for £ 800 fee per match they should be expected to know the rules.

[EdinMike]

It wasn’t a free kick, but it was a fantastical free kick taken. Is what it is.

[JimBHibees]

Our refs are maybe not full time professional, but for £ 800 fee per match they should be expected to know the rules.

Is it not about a thousand pounds now? Think it was 800 when they had their strike

[BlackSheep]

Our refs are maybe not full time professional, but for £ 800 fee per match they should be expected to know the rules.

Optimal word being SHOULD.

[brog]

The "non foul" for their goal could have been avoided if Stevie McLean had acted earlier. In the 1st 20 minutes Nisbet was repeatedly fouled without penalty, meanwhile every time a Celtc player was tackled a foul was given. This set the tone & allowed McGregor & Johnston to try it on with outrageous dives. To his credit McLean wasn't fooled but both should have been booked for simulation. A few minutes before the free kick Turnbull was being harassed, completely fairly, by Gogic. Turnbull was waving his arms about & shouting for a free kick. I knew then he would be going to ground as soon as possible & unfortunately S McGinn gave him that opportunity. What gets me is , the idiot that is Andy Walker, stating McGinn was nowhere near the ball. He clearly made contact with the ball, whether under current iterpretations the follow through could be deemed a foul is possible, but commentators making incorrect statements with complete certainty is ridiculous!

[Kato]

He clearly made contact with the ball, whether under current iterpretations the follow through could be deemed a foul is possible, but commentators making incorrect statements with complete certainty is ridiculous!

Thing is there is no follow through, he flicks the ball away and his foot lands on the ground. It's Turnbull's momentum into the Hibs player that makes him lose balance. Never a foul.

[superfurryhibby]

Duffy made no difference to the free kick. He was behind the wall and stepped forward as it was struck. The ball wasn’t close to him and Hanlon’s jump was also irrelevant. He would have needed spring heels to make contact with it. It was a superbly executed free kick, it happens.

[Peevemor]

Duffy made no difference to the free kick. He was behind the wall and stepped forward as it was struck. The ball wasn’t close to him and Hanlon’s jump was also irrelevant. He would have needed spring heels to make contact with it. It was a superbly executed free kick, it happens.

I agree on both points. :agree:

[basehibby]

Petty I know as it was a quality free kick but shouldn't have stood as Duffy was in our wall and not the required 1m away.

Should never have been a free kick anyway - McGinn clearly won the ball and cleanly. Incredibly poor decision gifted Celtic a gilt edged chance which they duly took.

[superfurryhibby]

I agree on both points. :agree:

The replay from behind the free kick give a proper perspective on both issues. The side angle skews the perspective a fair bit.

[lord bunberry]

Should never have been a free kick anyway - McGinn clearly won the ball and cleanly. Incredibly poor decision gifted Celtic a gilt edged chance which they duly took.
It’s one of those ones where had it been in the box they would be looking to see if the defender had got anything on the ball. Mcginn didn’t just get something on the ball, he made a perfectly good tackle. What was more annoying was that the commentators all said it was a free kick.

[BoomtownHibees]

The replay from behind the free kick give a proper perspective on both issues. The side angle skews the perspective a fair bit.

It doesn’t matter if him being there affected the resultant free kick or not. The rule states he should be at least 1m away from our wall. He wasn’t

[Tricla]

Does anyone have a link to a replay of the tackle or highlights where it was shown?

Cheers

[Peevemor]

Does anyone have a link to a replay of the tackle or highlights where it was shown?

Cheers


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vwCOi_C5TrE&t=292s

[Jones28]

I'm sorry but that is never a free kick. I had a go at McGinn on the match thread having heard it over the radio and I fully take it back.

[basehibby]

It’s one of those ones where had it been in the box they would be looking to see if the defender had got anything on the ball. Mcginn didn’t just get something on the ball, he made a perfectly good tackle. What was more annoying was that the commentators all said it was a free kick.

Andy Walker is a blinkered Celtic-obsessed moron - no surprise that he is incapable of objective observation - what is a surprise is that TV producers allow him anywhere near a microphone.

[B.H.F.C]

It’s clearly just me but I think Turnbull kicks the ball away, not McGinn. He plays for the foul but it is a foul for me.

[Peevemor]

It’s clearly just me but I think Turnbull kicks the ball away, not McGinn. He plays for the foul but it is a foul for me.

I hate to say it but that's what it looks like to me too.

[superfurryhibby]

Not a foul. McGinn gets a foot on the ball and knocks it away, Turnbull runs into the leg and body, playing for a foul. Robbed .

[hibbysam]

Duffy made no difference to the free kick. He was behind the wall and stepped forward as it was struck. The ball wasn’t close to him and Hanlon’s jump was also irrelevant. He would have needed spring heels to make contact with it. It was a superbly executed free kick, it happens.

Except standing in the wall, blocking the keepers view (can see Macey looking around trying to get a view). The rule states he must be 1m away when the kick is taken, he’s standing right on the edge of the wall. As clear a foul as you’ll see.

[hibbysam]

It’s clearly just me but I think Turnbull kicks the ball away, not McGinn. He plays for the foul but it is a foul for me.

The ball picks up speed and changes direction when McGinn kicks it, Turnbulls flick wouldn’t have done that.

[superfurryhibby]

Except standing in the wall, blocking the keepers view (can see Macey looking around trying to get a view). The rule states he must be 1m away when the kick is taken, he’s standing right on the edge of the wall. As clear a foul as you’ll see.

Debateable as to whether he blocks the view, given that there's also five or six Hibs players in front of him (Macey), but yes, he's definitely not 1m away from the wall. Makes you wonder why a player gets involved in the wall if the rules are so clear cut. It was a brilliant free kick, why would anyone compromise that with so little to gain?

So it wasn't a foul and the goal should have been disallowed too. Brilliant officiating at work...not

[B.H.F.C]

The ball picks up speed and changes direction when McGinn kicks it, Turnbulls flick wouldn’t have done that.

Still no seeing a McGinn touch. Turnbull turns in to trouble because of his first touch, he ends up about side on to goal, flicks the ball away and buys a foul.

[superfurryhibby]

Still no seeing a McGinn touch. Turnbull turns in to trouble because of his first touch, he ends up about side on to goal, flicks the ball away and buys a foul.

We see what we want to see. I see McGinn clearly getting his boot on the ball and sending it in completely the opposite direction from where it was heading. No foul.

[B.H.F.C]

We see what we want to see. I see McGinn clearly getting his boot on the ball and sending it in completely the opposite direction from where it was heading. No foul.

See what we want to see? I think you are, yes.

[bigwheel]

Whether he got a touch or not , it happened quickly and as he was stretching in to get the ball it’s quite easy to see how the ref would have seen a foul, like many did in first viewing ..always a risky tackle stretching a leg in like that

[danhibees1875]

Having looked at the replay now I think it was a foul. It's Turnbull that flicks the ball away.

[SCHAEDYSHORTS]

Duffy made no difference to the free kick. He was behind the wall and stepped forward as it was struck. The ball wasn’t close to him and Hanlon’s jump was also irrelevant. He would have needed spring heels to make contact with it. It was a superbly executed free kick, it happens.

Yes Duffy steps forward but is in the wall well before the ball is struck. Games are won or lost on very fine margins, especially with the old firm. Where do you draw the line with these rules? Goalie steps of his line at a penalty, player steps in as a penalty is taken, ball bouncing unkindly up onto an arm, off side by an elbow or big toe? No disputing it was a cracking free kick but for me we either leave rules alone & simplify so players & officials are in full understanding or implement the laws as they are now.
Too much messing about with things that don’t improve the game or lead to grey areas.

[superfurryhibby]

See what we want to see? I think you are, yes.

Just watched it again in very slow motion. You're wrong. Turnbull has pretty much lost control of the ball, he touches it wide, McGinn puts a much firmer touch on it a nanosecond after that. It wasn't a foul, end of. There is no debate, most people who have commented agree it wasn't a foul. That's because it wasn't.

[B.H.F.C]

Just watched it again in very slow motion. You're wrong. Turnbull has pretty much lost control of the ball, he touches it wide, McGinn puts a much firmer touch on it a nanosecond after that. It wasn't a foul, end of. There is no debate, most people who have commented agree it wasn't a foul. That's because it wasn't.

Seems to be quite a few folk saying it wasn’t a foul, unless you choose not to see them like. Could go on all day, I think it’s a foul and a foul was given.

[Alan62]

It’s clearly just me but I think Turnbull kicks the ball away, not McGinn. He plays for the foul but it is a foul for me.

A picture paints 1000 words.

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[B.H.F.C]

A picture paints 1000 words.

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And the video says much more, to me.

[Alan62]

I rest my case, m'Lud.

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[matty_f]

Yes Duffy steps forward but is in the wall well before the ball is struck. Games are won or lost on very fine margins, especially with the old firm. Where do you draw the line with these rules? Goalie steps of his line at a penalty, player steps in as a penalty is taken, ball bouncing unkindly up onto an arm, off side by an elbow or big toe? No disputing it was a cracking free kick but for me we either leave rules alone & simplify so players & officials are in full understanding or implement the laws as they are now.
Too much messing about with things that don’t improve the game or lead to grey areas.
:agree: The rule doesn't say anything about not having an impact on what happened next, he's not allowed to be in or near the wall. Should have been disallowed.

[Alan62]

And the video says much more, to me.

To be fair, in real-time, the incident is all over in a matter of seconds. Both players are moving at pace. What the stop-frame analysis does is it allows us to unpick the sequence of what actually physically happened. For me, both players are entitled to go for the ball and neither is in full control of it. What this picture shows absolutely clearly and without any shadow of doubt is that McGinn plays the ball at a point in time when Turnbull's momentum is both behind the ball and behind McGinn's leg. Although contact, at that point, is inevitable it's within the rules of the game. That's the nature of a tackle. It's a difficult call for the referee but there's no question that the actual physical sequence of events shouldn't have led to a foul.

[superfurryhibby]

And the video says much more, to me.

Yep, that’s McGinn knocking the ball away from Turnbull with a touch immediately after Turnbull tries to flick the ball wide of him.

Tbf it’s tight as and it’s given, so it just shows how marginal some key decisions can be.

Shall we debate the Porteous penalty incident now:wink:?

[B.H.F.C]

Yep, that’s McGinn knocking the ball away from Turnbull with a touch immediately after Turnbull tries to flick the ball wide of him.

Tbf it’s tight as and it’s given, so it just shows how tight key decisions can be.

Shall we debate the Porteous penalty incident now:wink:?

If you want, that one wasn’t a foul.

[superfurryhibby]

To be fair, in real-time, the incident is all over in a matter of seconds. Both players are moving at pace. What the stop-frame analysis does is it allows us to unpick the sequence of what actually physically happened. For me, both players are entitled to go for the ball and neither is in full control of it. What this picture shows absolutely clearly and without any shadow of doubt is that McGinn plays the ball at a point in time when Turnbull's momentum is both behind the ball and behind McGinn's leg. Although contact, at that point, is inevitable it's within the rules of the game. That's the nature of a tackle. It's a difficult call for the referee but there's no question that the actual physical sequence of events shouldn't have led to a foul.

Correct.

Turnbull’s touch is fractionally before McGinn’s. It’s the merest flick. McGinn gets a firmer contact to push it away. He inevitably then connects with Turnbull but by then the ball is played.

[superfurryhibby]

If you want, that one wasn’t a foul.

Even though Porteous does stand on the guys toe, I concur :aok:.

[Stonewall]

The officials in Scotland are years behind the top officials in standards and knowledge... the fact they are not professionals means they don't give a toss, in my opinion.

If we think EPL and the likes are working out all the kinks of VAR then we are mistaken, if, and thats a big IF, we get VAR then i can tell you know our officials will bumble their way through that as well.

I mean when was the last time you saw an official telling a player to leave by the nearest byline? There's no fans in now so no excuse about player safety?

Inconsistent enforcement and use of the newer offside regulations about letting play go on til the play finishes....

Handball in the box still applied inconsistently.

Sending off hedges and giving a penalty in the Dons v Huns game... incorrectly applied rules.

I could go on... and i implore anyone to add to this list.....!

As far as I can see the officials down south constantly get it wrong, even after Consulting VAR. it stems from not drawing the lessons from other sports who have used it for years and and also an undocumented change in intention from dealing with obvious errors to drawing lines to see if someone’s left nipple is in an offside position. IMO if you have to draw a line to tell it’s onside.

You’re 100% right our officials would make a complete James Hunt of VAR if they were let loose with it and it would little to address bias IMO. VAR is an abomination and should have no place in football. I’d rather put up with the odd bad decision and preserve the continuous and free flowing nature of the game and have no interest in waiting five minutes to see whether it’s worth cheering for a goal,

[lord bunberry]

It’s clearly just me but I think Turnbull kicks the ball away, not McGinn. He plays for the foul but it is a foul for me.
The ball goes back the way, the two players almost kick the ball at the same time. I’ve got a photo, but I it always comes out tiny when I post from my iPad. If I could work out how to do it I’d post the picture.

[erin go bragh]

I didn’t think it was a foul at the time but when Tam McManus and his co commentator both said it was clearly a foul. I just put my initial thought ,down to my Hibs tinted vision.
But when slowed down, I was bloody spot on 🤨
But I’d still never vote for VAR, which is killing the game imo .

[B.H.F.C]

The ball goes back the way, the two players almost kick the ball at the same time. I’ve got a photo, but I it always comes out tiny when I post from my iPad. If I could work out how to do it I’d post the picture.

I’ve seen the stills where you can see his foot near the ball. But when I watch the video I don’t see the touch from McGinn to divert it that people are on about. The ball obviously changes direction but so does Turnbull, he was going away from goal by the time the challenge comes in and I still think it’s him that toes it away. As I said, could go round in circles with it!

[lord bunberry]

I’ve seen the stills where you can see his foot near the ball. But when I watch the video I don’t see the touch from McGinn to divert it that people are on about. The ball obviously changes direction but so does Turnbull, he was going away from goal by the time the challenge comes in and I still think it’s him that toes it away. As I said, could go round in circles with it!
I think if there was an angle from behind the goal it would clear it up.

[B.H.F.C]

I think if there was an angle from behind the goal it would clear it up.

I saw that very angle the other night and that’s why I’m so convinced. No quite behind the goal but the other side of McGinn.

[superfurryhibby]

I didn’t think it was a foul at the time but when Tam McManus and his co commentator both said it was clearly a foul. I just put my initial thought ,down to my Hibs tinted vision.
But when slowed down, I was bloody spot on 🤨
But I’d still never vote for VAR, which is killing the game imo .

In real time it looks like a foul, so that really was your Hibs tinted vision. It’s only the close up and very slowed down view that shows McGinn took the ball after Turnbull’s very slight sideways touch.

Agree in some respects about Var. the McGinn free kick wouldn’t be given, but on the other hand Porteous does make contact with the Celtic players foot in the debated penalty incident. The wee prick then took a dive, but fact is that Porteous stands on the guy’s foot. That could easily have been given.

[1875Sean]

I can’t believe there is so much debate about if McGinn touched the ball, its a clear free kick

[Andy74]

I can’t believe there is so much debate about if McGinn touched the ball, its a clear free kick

It’s not really.

[1875Sean]

It’s not really.

Pretty sure it’s Turnbull that takes the ball away then plays for the freekick think what you want but why so many Hibs fans on here say it’s a free kick if you clearly think it’s not?

[wookie70]

Never a free kick and shocking refereeing not noticing that Duffy was in the wall. He is looking right at it so the assumption has to be he doesn't know the rules. Referees should be dropped down a league for mistakes like not noticing the position of Duffy. Apart from that that he seemed to have two separate free kick rules for either team and the free kick that led to the foul was never a free kick with the direction the ball took a big clue

[superfurryhibby]

Pretty sure it’s Turnbull that takes the ball away then plays for the freekick think what you want but why so many Hibs fans on here say it’s a free kick if you clearly think it’s not?

You obviously haven't really followed this thread? Lots know It wasn’t a foul because they slowed the footage down and saw that McGinn played the ball cleanly a split second after Turnbull’s touch. Go back, watch it in slow motion and you will comprehend.

[1875Sean]

You obviously haven't really followed this thread? Lots know It wasn’t a foul because they slowed the footage down and saw that McGinn played the ball cleanly a split second after Turnbull’s touch. Go back, watch it in slow motion and you will comprehend.

Think you should go and view the thread, still people saying after the YouTube link they can’t see it, for me turnbull hits the ball and McGinn is late

[Tricla]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vwCOi_C5TrE&t=292s

Cheers

[Tricla]

Still no seeing a McGinn touch. Turnbull turns in to trouble because of his first touch, he ends up about side on to goal, flicks the ball away and buys a foul.

SM definitely gets the ball for me. There's no way Turnbull's second touch was going that quickly diagonally away from goal. Can only be a touch from SM. It even looks like he gets a flick on it.

[Tricla]

Think you should go and view the thread, still people saying after the YouTube link they can’t see it, for me turnbull hits the ball and McGinn is late

Those people are incorrect.

[matty_f]

Those people are incorrect.

I couldn't tell either way, to be honest. First reaction was to shout at the ref that it was never a foul, on watching the replay at first I then thought the ref was right.

I've watched a few times now and I can't tell conclusively one way or the other, so for me that's not an error from the ref, he's a split second to make a call on that and if his thoughts were that he'd seen the foul then I'd believe it.

His decision not to apply the laws of the game to Duffy's presence in the Hibs wall, though, is inexplicable and inexcusable.

[Tricla]

I couldn't tell either way, to be honest. First reaction was to shout at the ref that it was never a foul, on watching the replay at first I then thought the ref was right.

I've watched a few times now and I can't tell conclusively one way or the other, so for me that's not an error from the ref, he's a split second to make a call on that and if his thoughts were that he'd seen the foul then I'd believe it.

His decision not to apply the laws of the game to Duffy's presence in the Hibs wall, though, is inexplicable and inexcusable.

I can see why the ref thought it was a foul. DT was between him and SM and it happened so fast. However, when you watch the replay it seems clear to me that SM's touch diverts the ball away. There was nothing about DT's movement or direction that would have caused the ball to go off at the angle it did.

We have the advantage of being able to look at it in that detail and take our time doing so. The ref has to make a quick decision based on what he saw and from what angle. I don't hold it against the ref for giving it as a foul and I would never vouch for VAR to make those decisions in our game. Also, he could easily have given a pen (and I was surprised he didn't given the opponent and venue) for the Porto tackle.

Agree with your point about Duffy. Comedy refereeing. The ref probably thought he was isolating and couldn't possibly be in the wall!

[JimBHibees]

I saw that very angle the other night and that’s why I’m so convinced. No quite behind the goal but the other side of McGinn.

Sure Sky showed an angle on the night clearly showing Stephen getting the ball.

[EI255]

Petty I know as it was a quality free kick but shouldn't have stood as Duffy was in our wall and not the required 1m away.Probably the only good thing he ever did for Celtic. Just an awful, calamitous player. Can't believe he's wanted down south too. I'm not sure he'd even get into our starting xi.

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[happiehibbie]

am glad they scored. We then started to play with a bit of passion