Do we have the equivalent of the 25th Amendment

[gbhibby]

Do we have an equivalent procedure. We have a PM who is not up to the job. He has completely ignored 3 million excluded people who have not received any help and basically does not show any sympathy. He did not show leadership in the Dominic Cummings situation or the Priti Patel bullying situation. I could go on.

[Ozyhibby]

Do we have an equivalent procedure. We have a PM who is not up to the job. He has completely ignored 3 million excluded people who have not received any help and basically does not show any sympathy. He did not show leadership in the Dominic Cummings situation or the Priti Patel bullying situation. I could go on.

Yes. We get rid of prime ministers all the time without elections. It happened to Theresa May.


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[Keith_M]

Yes, we have the 'motion of no confidence'.

https://www.parliament.uk/site-information/glossary/censure-motion/

The problem is that the Conservatives have a massive majority in Westminster, so it's highly unlikely to happen.

[JeMeSouviens]

Do we have an equivalent procedure. We have a PM who is not up to the job. He has completely ignored 3 million excluded people who have not received any help and basically does not show any sympathy. He did not show leadership in the Dominic Cummings situation or the Priti Patel bullying situation. I could go on.

We don't have any amendments to our constitution because we don't really have a constitution!

Yes, there are a bunch of conventions and precedents but as the prorogation debacle showed they don't ultimately count for anything. If you can get a majority vote through the HoC, you can do wtf you like. Even if the courts stop you, it's only temporary until you rewrite the laws.

[Ozyhibby]

We don't have any amendments to our constitution because we don't really have a constitution!

Yes, there are a bunch of conventions and precedents but as the prorogation debacle showed they don't ultimately count for anything. If you can get a majority vote through the HoC, you can do wtf you like. Even if the courts stop you, it's only temporary until you rewrite the laws.

That’s as it should be to be honest. The best way to get rid of these people is to vote against them. In Scotland we can vote for independence.


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[gbhibby]

Yes. We get rid of prime ministers all the time without elections. It happened to Theresa May.


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Tends to be a internal leadership election or General election. There was talk 3 years ago of invoking the 25th in America as they did not think Trump was up to the job and his behaviour traits at the time.
We have an incompetent PM who unfortunately has the support of the majority of his party but not the country.

[hibsbollah]

Yes, we have the 'motion of no confidence'.

https://www.parliament.uk/site-information/glossary/censure-motion/

The problem is that the Conservatives have a massive majority in Westminster, so it's highly unlikely to happen.

:agree: Yes, that’s the closest equivalent although in the British system there is no constitutional obligation to adhere to anything. It usually comes down to convention. For example, back in the early 90s Thatcher actually won her original motion of no confidence by quite a healthy margin and she could have theoretically have hung on, but convention meant that Tory backbencher and 1922 committee members had quiet words in her ear in sufficient numbers to make her think she had no realistic chance of clinging to power. In today’s world of Cummings and Priti Patel I don’t think convention means much anymore. Well I know it doesn’t.

The motion of no confidence was used by Corbyn this time two years ago. The vote went in favour of May by something like 15 votes IIRC. Won solely due to the confidence and supply agreement with the Democratic Unionist Party, who were then stabbed in the back shortly afterwards as we all know. We’ve now had a week of ‘an Irish Sea border’ and that first NC vote was won completely due to a complete subversion of democratic legitimacy. (Corbyn refused to meet May to discuss a way out of the mess the next day, unless May guaranteed there would be no ‘no deal Brexit’, quite rightly in my view, and events then moved on). If the DUP had hindsight they would have probably held their nose and voted with ‘Sinn Fein lovin’ Corbyn. Another one of those things that the media fails to address, ever. I get irrationally furious about it, despite Ian Paisley Jr et al not being anyone I’d naturally have any sympathy with.

[Smartie]

Tends to be a internal leadership election or General election. There was talk 3 years ago of invoking the 25th in America as they did not think Trump was up to the job and his behaviour traits at the time.
We have an incompetent PM who unfortunately has the support of the majority of his party but not the country.

Unfortunately Johnson still enjoys reasonable support from around the country, he's certainly not toiling anywhere near the levels where we should be talking "25th amendment" equivalents.

I mean, I loathe him. He's an imbecile of the highest order, the worst PM by some distance during my lifetime and totally unfit to lead. That's just my opinion though. The nation is riding on a wave of far-right English nationalism and having "got Brexit done" he's still viewed favourably by the people who are dying in their thousands due to his abject failure to deal appropriately with a deadly pandemic. For now, anyway.

It wouldn't be a surprise if the "25th amendment" became an appropriate conversation in future but I don't think we're there yet. Astonishingly and infuriatingly.

There have been more than a few worrying signs from our latest lot, however. In the past you got the feeling that rule of law and integrity over-ruled the "politics of the day" to paraphrase George W from last night. Their preparedness to break law in their pursuit of Brexit and in implementing the internal markets bill was deeply sinister. And as has been pointed out above, the worst of this lot - Patel et al - have a Trumpesque air to them and subsequently decent support amongst the lowest possible denominator. You wouldn't put it past them to disrespect law, tradition, or decency to implement their 'ideas".

[wookie70]

There is a recall act which allows constituents to force a by elections but it requires the sitting MP to have broken the law or chucked out of Parliament. If you could force a by election then I dare say you could remove an MP which I think would mean they couldn't be PM. Not going to happen though and as has been said we get our chance at the ballot box. Unfortunately with FPTP your vote often counts for nothing and even when the majority in the UK vote for left leaning parties we usually end up with the Tories

[JeMeSouviens]

That’s as it should be to be honest. The best way to get rid of these people is to vote against them. In Scotland we can vote for independence.


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I'm not sure that's how it should be when you can get an HoC majority on 35% of the vote, eg. Blair 2005.

[hibsbollah]

Schumer now asking Pence to invoke the 25th. Unlikely.

[davy67 +]

Trump's Facebook & instagram accounts suspended until after the inauguration

[heretoday]

Boris has a long way to go yet before he's in the Trump league of craziness.

[G B Young]

What's the procedure at Holyrood if a First Minister is found to have misled parliament and broken the ministerial code?

[Ozyhibby]

What's the procedure at Holyrood if a First Minister is found to have misled parliament and broken the ministerial code?

There would need to be a vote of no confidence in the FM to dislodge her. Can’t see SNP mp’s doing that in the run up to an election.


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[Colr]

Yes. We get rid of prime ministers all the time without elections. It happened to Theresa May.


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“We”?