Kieran Trippier

[Sergio sledge]

Has anyone been following the story of his ban for betting irregularities? I saw this article this morning:https://theathletic.com/2297547/2021/01/06/trippier-ban-betting-football-soccer/?amp#click=https://t.co/ebWz89Gq9c

I think it is behind a paywall, but here's the main bit that merits some discussion,

"Not all of the messages that Trippier sent to his friends ended up as the basis of proven charges against him. What linked the four proven charges was that they were all situations where Trippier provided information about his proposed move which he “obtained by virtue of [his] position within the game and which was not publicly available at the time”. And, crucially, when Trippier should have known that his friends would have used that information to make a bet.

That is why one of the proven charges centres on Trippier telling his friend OH that he should come to Madrid to complete his signing, and then reiterating that he was moving in a series of messages that evening. “It’s all agreed just waiting for them to come to an agreement with the fee,” Trippier wrote. “Should be done tomorrow or defo Monday.” When Hawley said “at least this should get you out of going to China”, Trippier responded: “Yeah don’t want to be going there.”

The next day, Sunday, July 14, Trippier took his family to Paradise Wildlife Park, a popular zoo in Hertfordshire with a big cat sanctuary and a dinosaur museum. He discussed his move to Atletico with a friend, who then messaged him again that night after Trippier had left the park. The friend — known as MB — asked “Shall I lump on you going there?”, and amid an exchange of emojis, Trippier confirmed his move. “Don’t blame me if something goes wrong,” Trippier wrote, before “Lump on if you want mate.” Both messages were followed with the crying/laughing emoji.

The day after that, as Tottenham and Atletico negotiated the final details of the transfer, Trippier continued to keep his friends updated. He set up a new thread — ‘Boys Promotions’ — and that evening wrote “nearly done deal levy just wants £500k more”. When the deal was agreed, Trippier told his friends, writing “Done deal”. Hawley bet another £300 on Trippier’s moving to Atletico even though the odds had come in to 4/11 by that point.

The fourth and final charge proven against Trippier concerns him telling the ‘Boys Promotions’ thread that the £25 million fee had been agreed between Atletico and Spurs, and that he was “flying out today and do[ing] my medical tomorrow”. Later that day Hawley and another friend continued to bet on the transfer, at odds as short as 3/10, 1/3 and 1/6. The move was sealed the next day."


It strikes me that these charges open a whole can of worms IMHO. Here's a guy keeping his friends updated on a big event in his life and he's getting a fine and 10 week ban for it. It's not his fault that his friends decided to take the information and use it to make less the £1400 from betting on it.

Are all footballers meant to keep absolutely quiet to everyone about any possible transfers in the future? Can they not tell friends and family what is happening?

Also, gambling companies make fortunes out of allowing people to bet on internet rumours and having knowledge that ordinary punters don't have and then cooking the odds to make sure that they can't lose. How is it then a problem if the punter has a bit more knowledge and decides the make a wee bit of money on it. The gambling companies positively encourage transfer rumours and manager rumours and make millions out of them, I wouldn't be surprised if there are people linked to gambling companies who put rumours out there or spread them further to encourage betting.

I honestly can't see what Trippier has done wrong here apart from being open and honest with his mates. Who are the FA protecting here, it's not match fixing so there's nothing to protect about the integrity of the game, they're just protecting the profit of a few gambling companies who probably line the FA's coffers to the tune of millions every year.

[matty_f]

You would definitely want to see similar action taken against the betting companies when they accept bets on events where they have knowledge of the likely outcome, which surely happens.

[blackpoolhibs]

It does seem a bit extreme to ban someone from speaking honestly to his friends, although I can sort of understand why he's been charged, I don't think he's guilty. It surely has nothing to do with him if his mate bets on something that could break down at any moment.

I have had some tips on dog racing and horse racing over the years, from trainers. Some have won, some have lost, should I not have bet them, and should the trainers be banned for passing on this information? :confused:

Also, I had an account with paddy power closed recently, with just over £100 in it, and I had to jump through hoops to get it back.

Yet I'm a £20 to £30 a week gambler, they want it all their own way, tossers.

[Stairway 2 7]

Agree all the papers leading with the lump on if you want, but the don't blame me if something goes wrong shows its a gamble. things go wrong last minute all the time, and no as if bookies don't have inside knowledge but let people lose millions

[Keith_M]

Maybe it's just me but whoever takes bets on a player moving to another club is the stupid one here.

This is nothing like a player fixing a match, or anything like that.

[hibbysam]

If gambling companies want to prey on the vulnerable by offering odds on absolutely everything then they should accept that folk will take advantage. Trippier should be applauded for it, similar to the keeper eating the pie the other year, he’s not making money on it himself, no different to a stable giving their tips on horses.

[MWHIBBIES]

**** me, Atletico payed 25 million?

[blackpoolhibs]

Off the subject, but when we used to go to powderhall for the dogs, my mate and I used to have a cheat whenever there was a photo finish.

They used to tannoy the distance over to the guy that put the distance up on the board, one of us would stand below it and listen.

As soon as he'd announced it to the guy, before he could put the distance up on the board, one of us would either hold our nose or put our hand on our neck for a head, and the other would place a bet with the bookies who were taking bets on the distance.

We did that for a long time and were never caught. :greengrin

[Jones28]

If KT had replied to the messages about lumping on with something like "do what you want mate" or something like that would they still have banned him?

**** betting companies, if a few of his pals make a bit of money out of a mate moving clubs who cares who cares? 10 game ban? Absolutely mental.

[hibsbollah]

**** me, Atletico payed 25 million?

Hes been good for them, Sid Lowe regularly says he’s been one of their top performers.

[Callum_62]

**** me, Atletico payed 25 million?A snip really compared to alot of transfers

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[MWHIBBIES]

Hes been good for them, Sid Lowe regularly says he’s been one of their top performers.Yeah, I've heard/read the same actually. Still more than I thought they had payed.


A snip really compared to alot of transfers

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For a 30 year old right back? Its definitely quite a lot IMO.

[calumhibee1]

It does seem a bit extreme to ban someone from speaking honestly to his friends, although I can sort of understand why he's been charged, I don't think he's guilty. It surely has nothing to do with him if his mate bets on something that could break down at any moment.

I have had some tips on dog racing and horse racing over the years, from trainers. Some have won, some have lost, should I not have bet them, and should the trainers be banned for passing on this information? :confused:

Also, I had an account with paddy power closed recently, with just over £100 in it, and I had to jump through hoops to get it back.

Yet I'm a £20 to £30 a week gambler, they want it all their own way, tossers.

:agree:

Seems incredibly harsh but at the same time it is a bit ‘insider trading’ sort of style to put the bet on. But then there’s not a chance the bookies aren’t doing the same thing.

[Sean1875]

I wonder if it stems from the fact he continued to give them info after they told him that they were betting on it and he even said 'Lump on if you want mate'? Agreed it seems a bit harsh though.

[Callum_62]

Yeah, I've heard/read the same actually. Still more than I thought they had payed.



For a 30 year old right back? Its definitely quite a lot IMO.He's 30 now

I think he was 28 when they bought him

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[calumhibee1]

He's 30 now

I think he was 28 when they bought him

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He was. Was a pretty decent deal for Atletico all things considered imo.

[wookie70]

The bookies surely know there will be inside knowledge of these types of signings. What if the transfer had fallen through at the medical stage. I can't see that the player has done anything wrong. Bookies are choosing a market that is very open to insider information even if those with that knowledge are doing nothing wrong. I'd be quite happy for Hibs to have lumped on for us signing Nisbet or Lennon so we could offset some of the cost.

[Brummie_Hibs]

Paradise Wildlife Park is 20 mins down the road from me.

Never been, but I did get drinking with an Irish guy who was building the Lion King-esque structure in the big cat area.

I'll bow out now....

[hibstag]

Off the subject, but when we used to go to powderhall for the dogs, my mate and I used to have a cheat whenever there was a photo finish.

They used to tannoy the distance over to the guy that put the distance up on the board, one of us would stand below it and listen.

As soon as he'd announced it to the guy, before he could put the distance up on the board, one of us would either hold our nose or put our hand on our neck for a head, and the other would place a bet with the bookies who were taking bets on the distance.

We did that for a long time and were never caught. :greengrin


A few years ago I was at a reserve derby at Ainslie park, I was pretty sure that people next to me were betting on apps once they had seen team lines in the ground due to the experienced hearts team listed and phoning others to do so too

[Pretty Boy]

I suppose it could be argued it's resembling a form of insider trading. A guy is telling people about ongoing business negotiations that aren't officially public knowledge, whether they personally involve him or otherwise is largely irrelevant, and they use that information to make money. I think the 'lump on if you want' comment is probably the nail in his coffin. That could quite easily read as him giving his permission to use the information as they wish. He also then had reasonable knowledge they intended to use the information for gambling purposes and continued to provide it.

I don't necessarily agree with that and I think he has been harshly treated but there is probably a lesson there for footballers not to be too trusting of those around them. Football clubs are like sieves at the best of times and players maybe need to be a bit smarter around these things. I'm sure a few will be thinking twice about how much they tell their mates in future.

[matty_f]

I wonder if it stems from the fact he continued to give them info after they told him that they were betting on it and he even said 'Lump on if you want mate'? Agreed it seems a bit harsh though.

The issue that Trippier has is that he's definitely broken rules here, so I think there's no question that a sanction was required.

Shows you how easily someone could fall into the trap of committing that offence.

[hibsbollah]

He was. Was a pretty decent deal for Atletico all things considered imo.

His stock would have remained high in Europe because he was a bit of a star of that World Cup team in Russia 2018. Very accurate and reliable crosser of the ball, got lots of assists in front of millions. Possibly never achieved as much in the club game.

[Pretty Boy]

A few years ago I was at a reserve derby at Ainslie park, I was pretty sure that people next to me were betting on apps once they had seen team lines in the ground due to the experienced hearts team listed and phoning others to do so too

I used to know a guy who worked for a bookies on a freelance basis.

He would attend minor games in Scotland that had a betting market, such as a Hibs reserve/development game. He would be on his phone for the 90 minutes just relaying what was going on. It was pretty simply stuff like 'Hibs attacking', 'Hearts shot', 'Hibs corner', 'cross from the left into Hibs box'. The bookies live text and any in house TV (or regular TV for bigger games) always have a slight delay, usually a matter of seconds, but it gives the bookies their edge.

[Renfrew_Hibby]

His stock would have remained high in Europe because he was a bit of a star of that World Cup team in Russia 2018. Very accurate and reliable crosser of the ball, got lots of assists in front of millions. Possibly never achieved as much in the club game.

Hopefully wins La Liga this year.

[JimBHibees]

Off the subject, but when we used to go to powderhall for the dogs, my mate and I used to have a cheat whenever there was a photo finish.

They used to tannoy the distance over to the guy that put the distance up on the board, one of us would stand below it and listen.

As soon as he'd announced it to the guy, before he could put the distance up on the board, one of us would either hold our nose or put our hand on our neck for a head, and the other would place a bet with the bookies who were taking bets on the distance.

We did that for a long time and were never caught. :greengrin

Superb :faf::faf:

[JimBHibees]

Paradise Wildlife Park is 20 mins down the road from me.

Never been, but I did get drinking with an Irish guy who was building the Lion King-esque structure in the big cat area.

I'll bow out now....

:greengrin

[Sergio sledge]

There's no chance that the bookies don't get tips from agents and clubs and change the odds based on that. It's exactly the same thing except it's working in the bookies favour.

Edit: was trying to quote Calumhibee1, not sure what happened.

[Danderhall Hibs]

There's no chance that the bookies don't get tips from agents and clubs and change the odds based on that. It's exactly the same thing except it's working in the bookies favour.

Edit: was trying to quote Calumhibee1, not sure what happened.

They must’ve had some info as they dropped the odds from 4/1 to odds on.

[mim]

Hibs.net provided me with the best ever football insider trading opportunity, :agree:
When Deek went on loan to Cowdenbeath, someone on here (possibly his uncle) posted about it before it was public knowledge. Cowdenbeath were 100/30 away at Brechin and I lumped on.
Deeks scored a hat trick and Cowdenbeath won 7-5 :thumbsup:

[basehibby]

This ruling is a piece of nonsense - ably demonstrated by Trippier's own comment "“Don’t blame me if something goes wrong". ie - even with his inside knowledge it was still a gamble. The tumbling odds give the impression that the bookies were also privy to some inside info - so do the same rules not apply to them???

[ben johnson]

I used to know a guy who worked for a bookies on a freelance basis.

He would attend minor games in Scotland that had a betting market, such as a Hibs reserve/development game. He would be on his phone for the 90 minutes just relaying what was going on. It was pretty simply stuff like 'Hibs attacking', 'Hearts shot', 'Hibs corner', 'cross from the left into Hibs box'. The bookies live text and any in house TV (or regular TV for bigger games) always have a slight delay, usually a matter of seconds, but it gives the bookies their edge.

If a penalty is awarded all betting is suspended. Next goal scorer , time , next team to score etc. A guy who worked for the bookies doing this told me there is someone at every game doing this. He told me betting rings have the same set up at most games
He had come back from a league match at Cowdenbeath and he had noticed a couple of guys relaying the same info re the match in progress and he knew they did not work with bookies.

[Brummie_Hibs]

If a penalty is awarded all betting is suspended. Next goal scorer , time , next team to score etc. A guy who worked for the bookies doing this told me there is someone at every game doing this. He told me betting rings have the same set up at most games
He had come back from a league match at Cowdenbeath and he had noticed a couple of guys relaying the same info re the match in progress and he knew they did not work with bookies.
A number of years back, I used to work for a very, VERY successful gambler. He told me that the lower leagues of Scottish football was rife with betting dodgyness.

[hibbysam]

A number of years back, I used to work for a very, VERY successful gambler. He told me that the lower leagues of Scottish football was rife with betting dodgyness.

The majority of non league players bet on and against their own clubs every week up here.

[Pretty Boy]

A number of years back, I used to work for a very, VERY successful gambler. He told me that the lower leagues of Scottish football was rife with betting dodgyness.

Absolutely.

It would be a stretch to say match fixing is rife in football but there are all kinds of dodgy betting deals going on.

[Magpie]

The majority of non league players bet on and against their own clubs every week up here.

Cowdenbeath player got found guilty a few years back. Elgin players got found guilty against us too most recently, think that was for bookings though.

[Skol]

Many moons ago I was in receipt of information on 3 occassions on the horses. These were low level jumps races on horses with next to no form. I avoided the first one and it won easily. I did back the next two, albeit with nominal amounts and both were again comfortable winners. sadly that source of information dried up.

I was in receipt of plenty other dud tips including two that I paid for and turned out to be worse than useless

[Winston Ingram]

**** me, Atletico payed 25 million?

Atletico are delighted with him

[Brightside]

I’m not fussed about him telling his pals he was signing. All players do that. The sums involved were so small also. £18 at 4/7 was one bet. 😂😂 it’s not a £1m betting scam. Great player.

[The_Exile]

Seems an utterly ridiculous thing for bookies to offer a market on so hell mend them. But expecting players to keep quiet to their nearest and dearest about transfers? Are they expected just to send a group message when it’s confirmed along the lines of “I’m off X thousands of miles away for the next 5 years, see ya lol”. Whole thing is a total farce.

[danhibees1875]

Seems an utterly ridiculous thing for bookies to offer a market on so hell mend them. But expecting players to keep quiet to their nearest and dearest about transfers? Are they expected just to send a group message when it’s confirmed along the lines of “I’m off X thousands of miles away for the next 5 years, see ya lol”. Whole thing is a total farce.

:agree:

Totally unfair to expect someone not to discuss the prospect of moving with their friends. A situation entirely of the bookies own doing by trying to create as many markets as possible for their own gain.

[Danderhall Hibs]

:agree:

Totally unfair to expect someone not to discuss the prospect of moving with their friends. A situation entirely of the bookies own doing by trying to create as many markets as possible for their own gain.

Although he’s broken the rules it seems harsh. Surely it’s only fair that the bookies that reduced the odds based on info received should also be facing a 10 week ban from their work? Close them down.