Hibs in Brazil Programme

[Michael]

I'm looking to somehow acquire a copy of the official programme for Hibs 1953 trip to Brazil. I found this page which shows what it looks like https://www.sportsmemories.be/Book.aspx?id=19601 (https://www.sportsmemories.be/Book.aspx?id=19601)

Would greatly appreciate if you have any ideas on where I could find a copy or if you know anyone who might have one for sale. Thanks!

[Viva_Palmeiras]

If there’s any man who has this or knows how you may be able to get it then Andy Downie is that man for all things Brazil.

Not quite our man in Havana (although I’m sure he’s probably been) he is/was in Rio or possibly São Paulo although with the COVID madness over there he may have popped back to the UK.

@adowniebrazil also author of Doctor Socrates.

A shame Hibs didn’t play Palmeiras - many parallels between the clubs (started for disenfranchised immigrants).

[Ringothedog]

I'm looking to somehow acquire a copy of the official programme for Hibs 1953 trip to Brazil. I found this page which shows what it looks like https://www.sportsmemories.be/Book.aspx?id=19601 (https://www.sportsmemories.be/Book.aspx?id=19601)

Would greatly appreciate if you have any ideas on where I could find a copy or if you know anyone who might have one for sale. Thanks!
Not that it helps but I have seen it on eBay a few times, well out with my spending limit

[Viva_Palmeiras]

Not that it helps but I have seen it on eBay a few times, well out with my spending limit

What sort of range we talking?

[Ringothedog]

What sort of range we talking?

If I remember correctly it was around £250, I seriously thought about it but decided I couldn’t justify it

[Viva_Palmeiras]

If I remember correctly it was around £250, I seriously thought about it but decided I couldn’t justify it

Oooft - would have made some Brasileiro some Reais !

[GreyJammies]

If there’s any man who has this or knows how you may be able to get it then Andy Downie is that man for all things Brazil.

Not quite our man in Havana (although I’m sure he’s probably been) he is/was in Rio or possibly São Paulo although with the COVID madness over there he may have popped back to the UK.

@adowniebrazil also author of Doctor Socrates.

A shame Hibs didn’t play Palmeiras - many parallels between the clubs (started for disenfranchised immigrants).

Andrew has returned to UK after 19 years in Brazil.

https://piaui.folha.uol.com.br/saudades-do-brasil/

[Viva_Palmeiras]

Andrew has returned to UK after 19 years in Brazil.

https://piaui.folha.uol.com.br/saudades-do-brasil/

Thanks for sharing that article it was a good test for me sans Google translate.

[GreyJammies]

Thanks for sharing that article it was a good test for me sans Google translate.

Por nada.

Palmeiras looking good for a place in the final of Libertadores tonight. Pumping River Plate in Argentina. :flag:

All Brasileiro final with Santos, maybe?

[FilipinoHibs]

Por nada.

Palmeiras looking good for a place in the final of Libertadores tonight. Pumping River Plate in Argentina. :flag:

All Brasileiro final with Santos, maybe?

Come on Santos- father's family home town team.

[allyh1bs]

I saw this up for auction a year or two ago - not on a football auction site, but a general one (can’t remember the name. ) It was a live auction which only lasted seconds per item, but the bidding rapidly became too rich for me (£100s rather than £1000s!)


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[Viva_Palmeiras]

Por nada.

Palmeiras looking good for a place in the final of Libertadores tonight. Pumping River Plate in Argentina. :flag:

All Brasileiro final with Santos, maybe?

Obrigado - it's not you is it Andy? :)

TBH I've not followed much since my father in law - big Palmeirense - passed away last November but he'd see the irony in them winning it just around a the year after he passed :)

His family originally migrated from Verona/Padova so Palestra Italia which then became Palmeiras around the was an obvious choice.

It was interesting listening to his brother speak around his 90th bday about the racism he faced - he laughed said they were called "the polenta-eaters"...

If you or others know Portuguese - you can google on YouTube "A Casamento do Romeu e Juliet" (the marriage of Romeo and Juliet) a modern comedic uptake on Romeo & Juliet with the daughter of the President of Palmeiras falling for the leader of the Corinthian Ultras...

[GreyJammies]

Obrigado - it's not you is it Andy? :)

TBH I've not followed much since my father in law - big Palmeirense - passed away last November but he'd see the irony in them winning it just around a the year after he passed :)

His family originally migrated from Verona/Padova so Palestra Italia which then became Palmeiras around the was an obvious choice.

It was interesting listening to his brother speak around his 90th bday about the racism he faced - he laughed said they were called "the polenta-eaters"...

If you or others know Portuguese - you can google on YouTube "A Casamento do Romeu e Juliet" (the marriage of Romeo and Juliet) a modern comedic uptake on Romeo & Juliet with the daughter of the President of Palmeiras falling for the leader of the Corinthian Ultras...

No, it's not he.

I have seen that film, cheers.

Watch this one from last year, it's great. It's set in Brazil.

Bacurau .

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1DPdE1MBcQc

[Iggy Pope]

http://www.hibshistoricaltrust.org.uk/images/articles/a-flick-through-the-archives-part-1/brazil-programme-1.jpg

[FilipinoHibs]

Obrigado - it's not you is it Andy? :)

TBH I've not followed much since my father in law - big Palmeirense - passed away last November but he'd see the irony in them winning it just around a the year after he passed :)

His family originally migrated from Verona/Padova so Palestra Italia which then became Palmeiras around the was an obvious choice.

It was interesting listening to his brother speak around his 90th bday about the racism he faced - he laughed said they were called "the polenta-eaters"...

If you or others know Portuguese - you can google on YouTube "A Casamento do Romeu e Juliet" (the marriage of Romeo and Juliet) a modern comedic uptake on Romeo & Juliet with the daughter of the President of Palmeiras falling for the leader of the Corinthian Ultras...

Funny about the racism at Italians as there are many of Italian descent in Sao Paulo state and the neighboring Minas Gerais state.

[ancient hibee]

I was at a game in the mid 50s against Vasca(or Vasco)da Gama .I’d have been about 13/14.Can’t remember a thing about it except we won by a couple of goals I think.I’m sure it was billed as a return match.Presumably they were touring Europe.

[Viva_Palmeiras]

Come on Santos- father's family home town team.

Funny my wife - despite her fathers fervour for Palmeiras isn’t really keen on football - except with the Selecão are playing.

So we’re married 21years and she mentioned - some cousin had passed away and she mentioned this guy - yeah he was a footballer it think he played for Santos — and I’m like “why the hell did you never tell me this before”.

Turns out the guy played number 10 for Santos after Pelé I couldn’t quite make it out timeline wise it out but it does appear that he may have been the man with the unenviable task of filling Peles shirt literally.

His name was Brida but was known as “Brescha”.

https://pt.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moacir_Bernardes_Brida

He had a pretty decent career and even played in Belgium.

Typical I don’t even get an intro.... Itajobi is a wee tiddly place next to where her folks live in Marapoama a literal hop skip and a jump from where they are... Wummin and football eh? (Sorry ladies!)

[Viva_Palmeiras]

I was at a game in the mid 50s against Vasca(or Vasco)da Gama .I’d have been about 13/14.Can’t remember a thing about it except we won by a couple of goals I think.I’m sure it was billed as a return match.Presumably they were touring Europe.

Vasco - quite a strong Portuguese name - think he kinda “discovered” Brazil or was one of them. You hear a few kids being called Vasco - could be worse I suppose.

We really should link up with Palmeiras tho :)

[FilipinoHibs]

Vasco - quite a strong Portuguese name - think he kinda “discovered” Brazil or was one of them. You hear a few kids being called Vasco - could be worse I suppose.

We really should link up with Palmeiras tho :)

Vasco da Gama are from that area in Rio and formed by Portuguese immigrants. They have fantastic murals if their great players painted on the outside walls of the stadium.

[ancient hibee]

I wonder if there’s been a game between a Scottish or even a UK club and a Brazilian club since the one I saw?

[Stuart93]

I wonder if there’s been a game between a Scottish or even a UK club and a Brazilian club since the one I saw?

Liverpool beat Flamengo in December 2019

[Iggy Pope]

I was at a game in the mid 50s against Vasca(or Vasco)da Gama .I’d have been about 13/14.Can’t remember a thing about it except we won by a couple of goals I think.I’m sure it was billed as a return match.Presumably they were touring Europe.

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[Iggy Pope]

I wonder if there’s been a game between a Scottish or even a UK club and a Brazilian club since the one I saw?

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[Iggy Pope]

Stoke City v Santos 1969

[Scott Allan Key]

Come on Santos- father's family home town team.One of the thing I love about Hibs. We do celebrate the many different origins of our fans. Rooted in our own clubs Irish non-Scots status.

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[Iggy Pope]

I wonder if there’s been a game between a Scottish or even a UK club and a Brazilian club since the one I saw?

Santos at Sheff Wed 1962 and 1972.

[ancient hibee]

.Thanks for that .Presumably for sale somewhere.I would have been 13.

[Iggy Pope]

Thanks for that .Presumably for sale somewhere.I would have been 13.

It tends to fetch a few bob. I would happily send you a photocopy reproduction if you want one, FOC, just cos I’m thrilled that you were there. PM me if you want me to.

[Viva_Palmeiras]

I wonder if there’s been a game between a Scottish or even a UK club and a Brazilian club since the one I saw?

Unfortunately in 99 Man United beat Palmeiras in the world club cup / Super cup after they won Copa Libertadores and Champs League respectively.

[Viva_Palmeiras]

One of the thing I love about Hibs. We do celebrate the many different origins of our fans. Rooted in our own clubs Irish non-Scots status.

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I do think/hope there’s some potential in scope to celebrate our clubs inclusiveness and diversity through welcoming players from overseas and helping them bed in via folks from their own country with links to Hibs.

[Lancs Harp]

Unfortunately in 99 Man United beat Palmeiras in the world club cup / Super cup after they won Copa Libertadores and Champs League respectively.

I think theres been a few in the World Club championship, I remember Flamengo beating Liverpool probably in the 80s and not too long ago Chelsea played Corinthians (cant actually remember who won that)

[EL Green]

There is a copy that has just been listed on eBay, it has a starting price of £200

[BILLYHIBS]

There is a copy that has just been listed on eBay, it has a starting price of £200
:wtf:

Watching

Might take ma bottles back

[ancient hibee]

It tends to fetch a few bob. I would happily send you a photocopy reproduction if you want one, FOC, just cos I’m thrilled that you were there. PM me if you want me to.

Thanks very much .I’ll do that.

[Iggy Pope]

Thanks very much .I’ll do that.

Replied 👍

[FilipinoHibs]

Andrew has returned to UK after 19 years in Brazil.

https://piaui.folha.uol.com.br/saudades-do-brasil/

Wow I feel quite homesick and only visited my father's homeland.

[IainA]

Come on Santos- father's family home town team.

I was there last year and visited their stadium and saw a game. Really good football. The stadium has aged but the museum is amazing! Now my Brazilian team ��

[FilipinoHibs]

i was there last year and visited their stadium and saw a game. Really good football. The stadium has aged but the museum is amazing! Now my brazilian team ��

forca santos!

[IainA]

forca santos!
Very true! However the legend of Pele graced that field 😎

[Lancs Harp]

For followers of the beautiful game in Brazil, Sao Paulo v Santos is on Freesports this evening (Sky Channel 422) at 5pm.

[FilipinoHibs]

For followers of the beautiful game in Brazil, Sao Paulo v Santos is on Freesports this evening (Sky Channel 422) at 5pm.

1-0 Santos against their big city rivals although the big games are against the other two Sao Paulo teams - - Corinthians and Palmerais. Santos may be disqualified from the South American championship for fielding at least one player who was Covid 19 positive.

[Lancs Harp]

A little bit more on the Vasco game. It finished 3-3 in the Maracana our goals were scored by Archie Buchanan and a Lawrie Reilly double, the second of which was a last minute equaliser.
In April 1956 we played them again wining 3-1 at Easter Road. Was quite a sequence of home matches that month in April 1956, we played our European Cup semi final against Rheims, then played Champions elect Rangers (drew 2-2 in front of 30,000) then played Vasco. We finished the season 4th on goal difference behind Hearts and just a point behind Aberdeen in second spot. Rangers won the title by 6 points. Celtic finished 5th four point behind us and Hearts.
This was the early days of floodlight matches and that same season Hibs played in prestigious friendlies at Easter Road under the lights beating Newcastle twice,Preston NE, Manchester City and hammering Manchester United 5-0. Heady days eh.

[GreyJammies]

1-0 Santos against their big city rivals although the big games are against the other two Sao Paulo teams - - Corinthians and Palmerais. Santos may be disqualified from the South American championship for fielding at least one player who was Covid 19 positive.

Santos did nothing wrong and won't be punished. The 2 guys who tested positive, tested positive, AFTER the game with Boca. :aok:

Palmeiras x River Plate in 4 hours for a place in the final of Libertadores, with Palmeiras 0-3 up from the first leg.

They're partying in Perdizes already. :flag:


Santos x Boca tomorrow.

[Viva_Palmeiras]

Santos did nothing wrong and won't be punished. The 2 guys who tested positive, tested positive, AFTER the game with Boca. :aok:

Palmeiras x River Plate in 4 hours for a place in the final of Libertadores, with Palmeiras 0-3 up from the first leg.

They're partying in Perdizes already. :flag:


Santos x Boca tomorrow.

Are you living in Sampa at the moment?
All a bit nuts with COVId rampant - my wife’s aunt abs uncle just got positive. Keep safe.

[GreyJammies]

Are you living in Sampa at the moment?
All a bit nuts with COVId rampant - my wife’s aunt abs uncle just got positive. Keep safe.

I moved out of São Paulo City to Litoral Norte during the lockdown, so I'm still in São Paulo state but in a less densely populated area. Safer.

I know a ton of people who have lost people to it, including 1 friend who lost both parents - both quite old.

They're gonna start vaccinating on January 25th.

Hope the uncle will be fine - most people pull through, remember.

I've got some insane videos of fans outside Allianz Parque partying and a big procession of thousands walking through the dark, night streets with exploding green flares and fireworks. They're not even in the final, YET!! If you wanna see I could share them. :flag:

[Viva_Palmeiras]

I moved out of São Paulo City to Litoral Norte during the lockdown, so I'm still in São Paulo state but in a less densely populated area. Safer.

I know a ton of people who have lost people to it, including 1 friend who lost both parents - both quite old.

They're gonna start vaccinating on January 25th.

Hope the uncle will be fine - most people pull through, remember.

I've got some insane videos of fans outside Allianz Parque partying and a big procession of thousands walking through the dark, night streets with exploding green flares and fireworks. They're not even in the final, YET!! If you wanna see I could share them. :flag:

Wow - Liitoral Norte is beautiful - yes I’d be interested PM away!
Yes my mates in London caught it - in early 30s and 40s but both were hospitalised one with clots on lungs and diabetes it’s a bit of Russian roulette for some people - they are hugely fit guys one a PT instructor - who coincidentally for this moment caught it on a trip to ... Dubai...

[FilipinoHibs]

Santos did nothing wrong and won't be punished. The 2 guys who tested positive, tested positive, AFTER the game with Boca. :aok:

Palmeiras x River Plate in 4 hours for a place in the final of Libertadores, with Palmeiras 0-3 up from the first leg.

They're partying in Perdizes already. :flag:


Santos x Boca tomorrow.

I hope so, Forward Santos.

[FilipinoHibs]

Santos FC 3 Boca Juniors 0

Final here we come!

[IainA]

Santos FC 3 Boca Juniors 0

Final here we come!

Brilliant! i was watching it last night. They played well so bring on Palmeiras for the final!

It was interesting seeing the stadium decked in the banners, especially having been there.

[FilipinoHibs]

Brilliant! i was watching it last night. They played well so bring on Palmeiras for the final!

It was interesting seeing the stadium decked in the banners, especially having been there.

Brazilian football reminds of old Scottish football - fast with lots of flying tackles but just a bit more skill. Certainly beats the sterile slow football we see in Europe now.

[Viva_Palmeiras]

Brazilian football reminds of old Scottish football - fast with lots of flying tackles but just a bit more skill. Certainly beats the sterile slow football we see in Europe now.

The Argentinos certainly know how to put the boot in.

[FilipinoHibs]

The Argentinos certainly know how to put the boot in.

The last few minutes of the game were brutal. Retribution was being handed out by both sides. The ref stop blowing for fouls for about 10 minutes

[GreyJammies]

The final will be Palmeiras x Santos on January 30th in the Maracanã. 5pm local time (8pm in the UK).

2 big clubs from São Paulo in Rio for a Libertadores Final during a pandemic. Hoo Mama !!

Wouldn't wanna be policing that. Still, at least it's not Palmeiras x Corinthians, I suppose, the police will be telling themselves.

Vai Palmeiras !! :flag:

[Viva_Palmeiras]

The final will be Palmeiras x Santos on January 30th in the Maracanã. 5pm local time (8pm in the UK).

2 big clubs from São Paulo in Rio for a Libertadores Final during a pandemic. Hoo Mama !!

Wouldn't wanna be policing that. Still, at least it's not Palmeiras x Corinthians, I suppose, the police will be telling themselves.

Vai Palmeiras !! :flag:

Game on!

[Danderhall Hibs]

I'm looking to somehow acquire a copy of the official programme for Hibs 1953 trip to Brazil. I found this page which shows what it looks like https://www.sportsmemories.be/Book.aspx?id=19601 (https://www.sportsmemories.be/Book.aspx?id=19601)

Would greatly appreciate if you have any ideas on where I could find a copy or if you know anyone who might have one for sale. Thanks!

Nothing to do with the programme but for anyone interested there’s an article in this quarter’s Nutmeg Magazine on this trip to Brazil.

[Iggy Pope]

Nothing to do with the programme but for anyone interested there’s an article in this quarter’s Nutmeg Magazine on this trip to Brazil.

Great stuff. I’ve been picking Nutmeg up at my local bookshop in Porty but it’s shut. This is a nice reminder, thanks.

[Danderhall Hibs]

Great stuff. I’ve been picking Nutmeg up at my local bookshop in Porty but it’s shut. This is a nice reminder, thanks.

Available online mate 👍🏼

[Iggy Pope]

Available online mate 👍🏼

Done. 👍

[FilipinoHibs]

The final will be Palmeiras x Santos on January 30th in the Maracanã. 5pm local time (8pm in the UK).

2 big clubs from São Paulo in Rio for a Libertadores Final during a pandemic. Hoo Mama !!

Wouldn't wanna be policing that. Still, at least it's not Palmeiras x Corinthians, I suppose, the police will be telling themselves.

Vai Palmeiras !! :flag:

Santos are not from Sao Paulo. They are from Santos which is 34 miles from Sao Paolo.

Forca Santos! Get into those big city boys!

[Lancs Harp]

Santos are not from Sao Paulo. They are from Santos which is 34 miles from Sao Paolo.

Forca Santos! Get into those big city boys!

True but it is in the state of Sao Paulo

[GreyJammies]

Santos are not from Sao Paulo. They are from Santos which is 34 miles from Sao Paolo.

Forca Santos! Get into those big city boys!

They play in the Paulista Championship and Santos is in the state of São Paulo, so yes, they ARE from São Paulo.

But I know what you mean, they are down on the coast, away from the other 3 in the big city, in their own great city, so they can see themselves as different, or better even, as Santos is a way nicer place than São Paulo city.

Anyway, they are getting pumped. :na na::flag:

[FilipinoHibs]

They play in the Paulista Championship and Santos is in the state of São Paulo, so yes, they ARE from São Paulo.

But I know what you mean, they are down on the coast, away from the other 3 in the big city, in their own great city, so they can see themselves as different, or better even, as Santos is a way nicer place than São Paulo city.

Anyway, they are getting pumped. :na na::flag:

There is a difference from Sao Paulo and Sao Paulo State. Trying going to the city of Santos and telling them they are from Sao Paulo. Let me know how get on!

[GreyJammies]

There is a difference from Sao Paulo and Sao Paulo State. Trying going to the city of Santos and telling them they are from Sao Paulo. Let me know how get on!

Fair enough. Paulistas and Paulistanos. Different things altogether.

Like a Leither and a @@@@ fae Edinburgh?

[IainA]

True but it is in the state of Sao Paulo

that is very true (although it is in the same State not City). It still took us nearly 2 hours to travel from San Paulo to Santos! ����

[FilipinoHibs]

True but it is in the state of Sao Paulo

But not the city. The state is known as Sao Paulo state not Sao Paulo.

Estado de Sao Paulo

[BILLYHIBS]

SOLD £220

Forgot all about it

:fuming:

[GreyJammies]

SOLD £220

Forgot all about it

:fuming:

Unlucky son.

Cheer yourself up with Palmeiras x Corinthians just kicking off now.
One of the biggest rivalries in football. :flag:

[Viva_Palmeiras]

Unlucky son.

Cheer yourself up with Palmeiras x Corinthians just kicking off now.
One of the biggest rivalries in football. :flag:

The Timão (self proclaimed Big Team) are getting spanked 3x0

[GreyJammies]

But not the city. The state is known as Sao Paulo state not Sao Paulo.

Estado de Sao Paulo

Did you see this @FilipinoHibs?

https://veja.abril.com.br/placar/artista-kobra-pinta-mural-em-homenagem-a-pele-em-santos/

Quite the thing.

[Iggy Pope]

Nothing to do with the programme but for anyone interested there’s an article in this quarter’s Nutmeg Magazine on this trip to Brazil.

Arrived this morning. Some read and amazing to think it was the Brazilians who were disappointed in a Hibs side they expected more of but the players were exhausted and the trip was seen as a hardship!
Great wee story about Bobby Johnstone being asked to persuade Gordon Smith to sign up for one of the Brazilian sides and Garrincha just missing out on making his Botafogo debut v us....

[Danderhall Hibs]

Arrived this morning. Some read and amazing to think it was the Brazilians who were disappointed in a Hibs side they expected more of but the players were exhausted and the trip was seen as a hardship!
Great wee story about Bobby Johnstone being asked to persuade Gordon Smith to sign up for one of the Brazilian sides and Garrincha just missing out on making his Botafogo debut v us....

Yeah it was a good read. There are some good articles in that magazine.

[G B Young]

I haven't read all the way through this thread, so apologies if it's already been mentioned, but is there not also a magazine article from the 50s which was written, I think, by a Brazilian journalist and focuses on how impressed those at the tournament were by football played by Hibs (the Famous Five in particular)?

[Iggy Pope]

I haven't read all the way through this thread, so apologies if it's already been mentioned, but is there not also a magazine article from the 50s which was written, I think, by a Brazilian journalist and focuses on how impressed those at the tournament were by football played by Hibs (the Famous Five in particular)?

The Nutmeg article appears to suggest something different to that.

[Danderhall Hibs]

I haven't read all the way through this thread, so apologies if it's already been mentioned, but is there not also a magazine article from the 50s which was written, I think, by a Brazilian journalist and focuses on how impressed those at the tournament were by football played by Hibs (the Famous Five in particular)?

There’s reference in the article to a (mythical) article I think - mentioned in a couple of autobiography’s but no evidence of it.

[GreyJammies]

Palmeiras v Santos today in the final of Libertadores at 8pm.

45 degrees in the Maracana today!! :flag:


Here's our own, Mr Irvine Welsh, in Brazil getting drunk and talking about Hibs. Some boy likes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R0QFVAtdW7c

[G B Young]

There’s reference in the article to a (mythical) article I think - mentioned in a couple of autobiography’s but no evidence of it.

According to this it was the 1970 Brazilian football encyclopedia which waxed lyrical about Hibs' style of play:

http://www.iancolquhoun.org.uk/how-hibs-taught-brazil-how-to-play-football/

[Danderhall Hibs]

According to this it was the 1970 Brazilian football encyclopedia which waxed lyrical about Hibs' style of play:

http://www.iancolquhoun.org.uk/how-hibs-taught-brazil-how-to-play-football/

👍🏼 But that’s an article about the article/chapter - is there evidence of the existence of the article?

[Viva_Palmeiras]

Viva Palmeiras!