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cloudy
02-01-2021, 10:37 PM
When does he become accountable for the dross we’re watching?

Unseen work
02-01-2021, 10:49 PM
Give it a break.

2 awful results back to back but let’s not completely overreact.

Its been a good season up until last week. 4th in the league and a semi final.

Admittedly our next 4 or so fixtures are a concern as I can’t see us racking up many points in those, getting 6 off the last 2 games would have significantly helped.

MWHIBBIES
02-01-2021, 10:56 PM
He's currently accountable for a 4th place Hibs team. 2 dreadful results that we must improve on, no doubt, but if the season ended tomorrow I'd be fairly happy

Scotty Leither
03-01-2021, 12:25 AM
When does he become accountable for the dross we’re watching?

Never. The guy is untouchable.

HoboHarry
03-01-2021, 01:59 AM
Jeezo.

Viva_Palmeiras
03-01-2021, 06:23 AM
Give it a break.

2 awful results back to back but let’s not completely overreact.

Its been a good season up until last week. 4th in the league and a semi final.

Admittedly our next 4 or so fixtures are a concern as I can’t see us racking up many points in those, getting 6 off the last 2 games would have significantly helped.

Hell hath no fury...
All angles pursued - it’s the internet after all.

Robbo6-2
03-01-2021, 07:00 AM
When does he become accountable for the dross we’re watching?

He is Teflon Don

This is the man who was involved in the 4 year deals for McGregor and Gray.

Mallan 4 Year Contract
Hallberg 3 Year Contract
Tom James 3 Year Deal

All players Jack Ross does not trust in our current squad.

The list could go on and on.

Allant1981
03-01-2021, 07:12 AM
He is Teflon Don

This is the man who was involved in the 4 year deals for McGregor and Gray.

Mallan 4 Year Contract
Hallberg 3 Year Contract
Tom James 3 Year Deal

All players Jack Ross does not trust in our current squad.

The list could go on and on.

All players he does not trust, pretty sure Hallberg and mallan have started the last few weeks have they not?

CallumLaidlaw
03-01-2021, 07:35 AM
He is Teflon Don

This is the man who was involved in the 4 year deals for McGregor and Gray.

Mallan 4 Year Contract
Hallberg 3 Year Contract
Tom James 3 Year Deal

All players Jack Ross does not trust in our current squad.

The list could go on and on.

While he was head of player recruitment, would it not have been George Craig & LD that agreed any contracts?

I can’t believe he’s managing to escape all the criticism of being 4th in the league, reaching semis of the Scottish Cup and League cup and gathering the 3rd most points over the course of 2020. Terrible.


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Iain G
03-01-2021, 07:37 AM
He is Teflon Don

This is the man who was involved in the 4 year deals for McGregor and Gray.

Mallan 4 Year Contract
Hallberg 3 Year Contract
Tom James 3 Year Deal

All players Jack Ross does not trust in our current squad.

The list could go on and on.

So is he teflon don or a laptop guy with no leadership skills? Why does he make you so angry that you feel the need to keep having a go at the guy?

Allez Hibs
03-01-2021, 07:39 AM
What does Mathie actually do?

Viva_Palmeiras
03-01-2021, 07:56 AM
What does Mathie actually do?

Genuine questions here...

Is that a rhetorical question?
And if you got an answer from someone on the forum would that suffice?
Have you read any articles or listened to any podcasts where he’s been interviewed maybe then you can form an opinion as much as another fan?

Viva_Palmeiras
03-01-2021, 07:57 AM
So is he teflon don or a laptop guy with no leadership skills? Why does he make you so angry that you feel the need to keep having a go at the guy?

Loves a sound bite.

Iain G
03-01-2021, 07:58 AM
Loves a sound bite.

Like a happy orthodontist 🙂

Key West
03-01-2021, 08:00 AM
The guy makes a valid point about taking the emotion out of the game when analysing performances, boring as that may sound it is sensible, otherwise players are going from heroes to zeroes and vice versa within a short time frame, some fans though they are entitled to their opinions do not offer constructive criticism and that in itself is counter productive. There are a lot of factors that can influence football matches, just take a look at the Celtic situation with their multi million pound squad, they have also lost to Livingston and Ross County this season.
The manager and coaching staff will be well aware of the problems that exist as they try to build a better team and will look to strengthen as they go along, the defeats will probably give them a better idea of our weaknesses than the victories, it is obvious to all of us that the balance of the team at times is not correct and so we have periods of consistency and unfortunately inconsistency.
I am far from being an expert but I have watched numerous Hibs teams over a period of half a century, I’ve seen worse and I’ve seen better.:flag:

jeffers
03-01-2021, 08:08 AM
While he was head of player recruitment, would it not have been George Craig & LD that agreed any contracts?

I can’t believe he’s managing to escape all the criticism of being 4th in the league, reaching semis of the Scottish Cup and League cup and gathering the 3rd most points over the course of 2020. Terrible.


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Regarding SDG and Daz pretty sure it was LD and GC who agreed their deals, not Mathie. I remember reading an article from GC describing the details of their new contracts.

If Mathie is getting flak for the poor signings like James are we giving him credit for Nisbet and his long term deal ?

Peevemor
03-01-2021, 08:40 AM
Regarding SDG and Daz pretty sure it was LD and GC who agreed their deals, not Mathie. I remember reading an article from GC describing the details of their new contracts.

If Mathie is getting flak for the poor signings like James are we giving him credit for Nisbet and his long term deal ?No as with everything else people will just cherry pick the facts (?) that suit their argument to justify the latest witch hunt.

Greenworld
03-01-2021, 09:02 AM
One thing that irks is why they are automatic bench choices every game.do we not have other players that could gain experience of being on the bench getting some game time ..

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J-C
03-01-2021, 09:17 AM
One thing that irks is why they are automatic bench choices every game.do we not have other players that could gain experience of being on the bench getting some game time ..

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Right now no, we're down to the bare bones squad wise, a fully fit squad might see only one on the bench as defensive cover.

Brooster
03-01-2021, 09:51 AM
What does Mathie actually do?

He identifies players that the Manager has no intention of signing.

Greenworld
03-01-2021, 09:53 AM
I think there should be a bit of a clear out at the End of a season .
McGregor
Gray
Stevenson
Hallberg

My undecided clear outs

Mallan
Gogic

So potentially 6 spaces for players who are better





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CallumLaidlaw
03-01-2021, 09:56 AM
Regarding SDG and Daz pretty sure it was LD and GC who agreed their deals, not Mathie. I remember reading an article from GC describing the details of their new contracts.

If Mathie is getting flak for the poor signings like James are we giving him credit for Nisbet and his long term deal ?

Agreed


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Allez Hibs
03-01-2021, 10:01 AM
Genuine questions here...

Is that a rhetorical question?
And if you got an answer from someone on the forum would that suffice?
Have you read any articles or listened to any podcasts where he’s been interviewed maybe then you can form an opinion as much as another fan?

Yes, rhetorical question. Mathie's performance should equally be questioned the same as Jack Ross. The whole squad is a rebuild job. Signing players from St Mirren is not the answer. Do these people realise how big Hibs are in Scottish Football.

Peevemor
03-01-2021, 10:03 AM
Yes, rhetorical question. Mathie's performance should equally be questioned the same as Jack Ross. The whole squad is a rebuild job. Signing players from St Mirren is not the answer. Do these people realise how big Hibs are in Scottish Football.Who should we be signing players from? Where did we get our best player of recent years?

Allez Hibs
03-01-2021, 10:09 AM
Who should we be signing players from? Where did we get our best player of recent years?

Yes, one player is fair enough. Not the whole setup from ST Mirren.

Peevemor
03-01-2021, 10:10 AM
Yes, one player is fair enough. Not the whole setup from ST Mirren.Make your mind up.

Allez Hibs
03-01-2021, 10:16 AM
Make your mind up.

How many ex St Mirren players and coaching staff do we have?

Peevemor
03-01-2021, 10:20 AM
How many ex St Mirren players and coaching staff do we have?First you tell me who we should be signing players from.

hibee-boys
03-01-2021, 10:54 AM
I hope it’s not him selling the club to potential new signings, bored the life out of me, in all honesty came over very aloof and emotionless yesterday, PR stunt gone bad. “Sorry, not hear to critique or express an opinion on today’s game.....but let me tell you about how wonderful we are at developing youth players and what a fantastic structure we have in place” Sorry Graham but I couldn’t give 2 hoots about our structure or youth development, I want to see my hibs first XI playing combative entertaining football, aren’t you head of sporting performance or whatever the title is? And by the way our wonderful structure has generated one first team regular in around 10 years, Ryan Porteous. Josh Doig looks like the potential 2nd in 10 years.....other clubs with nowhere near our facilities and resources are producing far more.

Allez Hibs
03-01-2021, 11:42 AM
I hope it’s not him selling the club to potential new signings, bored the life out of me, in all honesty came over very aloof and emotionless yesterday, PR stunt gone bad. “Sorry, not hear to critique or express an opinion on today’s game.....but let me tell you about how wonderful we are at developing youth players and what a fantastic structure we have in place” Sorry Graham but I couldn’t give 2 hoots about our structure or youth development, I want to see my hibs first XI playing combative entertaining football, aren’t you head of sporting performance or whatever the title is? And by the way our wonderful structure has generated one first team regular in around 10 years, Ryan Porteous. Josh Doig looks like the potential 2nd in 10 years.....other clubs with nowhere near our facilities and resources are producing far more.

Well said 👏

Far too soft as a club.

Hermit Crab
03-01-2021, 11:48 AM
I hope it’s not him selling the club to potential new signings, bored the life out of me, in all honesty came over very aloof and emotionless yesterday, PR stunt gone bad. “Sorry, not hear to critique or express an opinion on today’s game.....but let me tell you about how wonderful we are at developing youth players and what a fantastic structure we have in place” Sorry Graham but I couldn’t give 2 hoots about our structure or youth development, I want to see my hibs first XI playing combative entertaining football, aren’t you head of sporting performance or whatever the title is? And by the way our wonderful structure has generated one first team regular in around 10 years, Ryan Porteous. Josh Doig looks like the potential 2nd in 10 years.....other clubs with nowhere near our facilities and resources are producing far more.

Excellent post . The current football structure has been in place since we were relegated. You have made a great point re Porto. Doig didn’t come through our academy he was with hertz academy for many years. We signed him summer 2019 as a full time pro. Gullan is a similar story.

ancient hibee
03-01-2021, 11:55 AM
I think there should be a bit of a clear out at the End of a season .
McGregor
Gray
Stevenson
Hallberg

My undecided clear outs

Mallan
Gogic

So potentially 6 spaces for players who are better





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I’d be interested to know how you’ll clear out players with years on their contracts.

matty_f
03-01-2021, 11:56 AM
What does Mathie actually do?

https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/longbangers/id1474463560?i=1000489145970 big explanation in this podcast.

Allez Hibs
03-01-2021, 11:58 AM
https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/longbangers/id1474463560?i=1000489145970 big explanation in this podcast.

I was clearly asking rhetorically. His performance should be under scrutiny too.

Peevemor
03-01-2021, 11:59 AM
What does Mathie actually do?What other user names do you use? You've been a member for almost 20 years, yet the majority of your posts are all the negative stuff that you've posted since yesterday.

Be honest please.

Viva_Palmeiras
03-01-2021, 12:12 PM
I was clearly asking rhetorically. His performance should be under scrutiny too.

Scrutinise then - how do you intend to do that objectively what timeframe and by what measures?

So many factors at play in the last 2 games not too sure which can be laid at the door of Mathie...

matty_f
03-01-2021, 12:13 PM
I was clearly asking rhetorically. His performance should be under scrutiny too.

If you know what he does and think he should be under scrutiny, what criteria are you measuring him on based on his role?

Greenworld
03-01-2021, 12:33 PM
I’d be interested to know how you’ll clear out players with years on their contracts.Starts with a conversation along the lines of your not going to be involved not even in the squad going forward you might want to find another club?


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MWHIBBIES
03-01-2021, 12:36 PM
Well said 👏

Far too soft as a club.


How exactly? What do you expect us to do different to be ''harder''? as a club?

Coco Bryce
03-01-2021, 12:51 PM
How exactly? What do you expect us to do different to be ''harder''? as a club?

Are you for real? Teams just walk all over us. Our midfield is soft as ****.

Hermit Crab
03-01-2021, 12:56 PM
Are you for real? Teams just walk all over us. Our midfield is soft as ****.


Powder puff midfield, no workers in there, when we lose possession the midfield barely try a leg to win it back and teams play right through them. We need to sign a couple of hard men to go in there and mix it up a bit.

madsen5
03-01-2021, 12:58 PM
Powder puff midfield, no workers in there, when we lose possession the midfield barely try a leg to win it back and teams play right through them. We need to sign a couple of hard men to go in there and mix it up a bit.
Correct, no fight, no guts, no desire.

matty_f
03-01-2021, 01:02 PM
Are you for real? Teams just walk all over us. Our midfield is soft as ****.

Could do with a Gogic type in there. :agree:

MWHIBBIES
03-01-2021, 01:02 PM
Are you for real? Teams just walk all over us. Our midfield is soft as ****.

So our midfield is soft? Not the club.

Isn't Gogic a hard man? The 10 games league games we've won no one has walked all over us. What about the 6 cup ties? Didn't see much walking over us there. Sure its just not this bad week where teams have walked all over us?

Coco Bryce
03-01-2021, 01:08 PM
So our midfield is soft? Not the club.

Isn't Gogic a hard man? The 10 games league games we've won no one has walked all over us. What about the 6 cup ties? Didn't see much walking over us there. Sure its just not this bad week where teams have walked all over us?

He's maybe hard, just no that good. So your now saying in ALL league and cups games we've won this season we have been the better team?

MWHIBBIES
03-01-2021, 01:09 PM
He's maybe hard, just no that good. So your now saying in ALL league and cups games we've won this season we have been the better team?

No. But plenty of games we've drawn or lost we've done well in and thin margins have prevented us getting a more positive result. Hibs midfield do not get walked over every week, thats utter rubbish.

matty_f
03-01-2021, 01:25 PM
No. But plenty of games we've drawn or lost we've done well in and thin margins have prevented us getting a more positive result. Hibs midfield do not get walked over every week, thats utter rubbish.

:agree:

We can’t have it all ways. When we lose a late goal to Dundee United folk we’re talking about bottle etc, yet if we play poorly and win that’s luck (or dig out a result) - why isn’t that evidence of us having bottle?

When teams are above us, the league table doesn’t lie, when it’s evidence that we’re not doing too badly then how the points were won and how some don’t really count comes into play.

Cod Boy
03-01-2021, 01:26 PM
The comments from mathie saying oh we played well at ibrox is why no team outside Glasgow has won the league in decades. To many clubs happy to plough along year in year out. You also find most teams seem to perform better when sky come to town then back to lower standards when the dont.

matty_f
03-01-2021, 01:28 PM
The comments from mathie saying oh we played well at ibrox is why no team outside Glasgow has won the league in decades. To many clubs happy to plough along year in year out. You also find most teams seem to perform better when sky come to town then back to lower standards when the dont.

You don’t think we played well at Ibrox?

Itsnoteasy
03-01-2021, 01:29 PM
No. But plenty of games we've drawn or lost we've done well in and thin margins have prevented us getting a more positive result. Hibs midfield do not get walked over every week, thats utter rubbish.


That was the $h1t3 JR was spouting out when a championship club knocked us out the cup.

#FINEMARGINS

Cod Boy
03-01-2021, 01:30 PM
You don’t think we played well at Ibrox?

Did ok would hardly be shouting from the rooftops

Billy Whizz
03-01-2021, 01:30 PM
I hope it’s not him selling the club to potential new signings, bored the life out of me, in all honesty came over very aloof and emotionless yesterday, PR stunt gone bad. “Sorry, not hear to critique or express an opinion on today’s game.....but let me tell you about how wonderful we are at developing youth players and what a fantastic structure we have in place” Sorry Graham but I couldn’t give 2 hoots about our structure or youth development, I want to see my hibs first XI playing combative entertaining football, aren’t you head of sporting performance or whatever the title is? And by the way our wonderful structure has generated one first team regular in around 10 years, Ryan Porteous. Josh Doig looks like the potential 2nd in 10 years.....other clubs with nowhere near our facilities and resources are producing far more.

Yesterday wasn’t the real Graeme Mathie. He was put in a difficult position due to the performance
He’s a really positive upbeat person who could talk for Britain
Felt sorry for him yesterday

Jones28
03-01-2021, 01:30 PM
That was the $h1t3 JR was spouting out when a championship club knocked us out the cup.

#FINEMARGINS

He was right though.

Jones28
03-01-2021, 01:31 PM
Did ok would hardly be shouting from the rooftops

You’ve got standards that Hibs haven’t met since the 50’s, I’ve never known a Hibs support to collectively feel as downbeat about a decent performance as you are being.

Itsnoteasy
03-01-2021, 01:32 PM
[QUOTE=Jones28;6406332]He was right

We bottled it, nothing to do with fine margins. Its not the only time he has used that strap line.

Dmas
03-01-2021, 01:35 PM
The comments from mathie saying oh we played well at ibrox is why no team outside Glasgow has won the league in decades. To many clubs happy to plough along year in year out. You also find most teams seem to perform better when sky come to town then back to lower standards when the dont.

We did play well at Ibrox, if we had a stronger ref we’d have got out their with at least a point, not many teams can say that against them this year.

I saw an article which estimated the rangers have spent £65m to get the squad to where it is now, that’s why no team outside Glasgow has won the title in decades and why us having a right good go and playing well is about as much as can be hoped for unless we’re catching them on an off day and playing out our skin.

MWHIBBIES
03-01-2021, 01:35 PM
That was the $h1t3 JR was spouting out when a championship club knocked us out the cup.

#FINEMARGINS
Its correct, thats why. If we score our penalty, we probably win. That is a fine margin

The comments from mathie saying oh we played well at ibrox is why no team outside Glasgow has won the league in decades. To many clubs happy to plough along year in year out. You also find most teams seem to perform better when sky come to town then back to lower standards when the dont.

Yeah, nothing to do with them having 10x the budgets, its comments by club staff that win titles...

MWHIBBIES
03-01-2021, 01:37 PM
We bottled it, nothing to do with fine margins. Its not the only time he has used that strap line.

You think Kevin Nisbet stepping up to take a penalty in a huge game, days after his father passing, is signs of a bottler? He missed, it was utterly ***** to lose but it was very close.

Sport at the professional levels does some down to extremely slim margins. Guys spend years training for the 100 meters to lose by 0.01 seconds. Is that a bottling?

matty_f
03-01-2021, 01:39 PM
You think Kevin Nisbet stepping up to take a penalty in a huge game, days after his father passing, is signs of a bottler? He missed, it was utterly ***** to lose but it was very close.

Sport at the professional levels does some down to extremely slim margins. Guys spend years training for the 100 meters to lose by 0.01 seconds. Is that a bottling?

:agree: Nisbet had bottle in abundance to take that penalty.

J-C
03-01-2021, 01:40 PM
You don’t think we played well at Ibrox?

But we still got beat, I think that's what some are saying, we gave no ruthlessness, why accept doing alright and getting beat, why not be angry the we played well and got beat. For too long now we've had this mind set of top 6 is good, 4th is very decent but top 2 is beyond us because it's always Rangers and Celtic that get top 2. We've given both these teams bloody good games, even beaten Sevco in that cup final, we have to change or psyche at the club and start challenging more often.

Itsnoteasy
03-01-2021, 01:46 PM
You think Kevin Nisbet stepping up to take a penalty in a huge game, days after his father passing, is signs of a bottler? He missed, it was utterly ***** to lose but it was very close.

Sport at the professional levels does some down to extremely slim margins. Guys spend years training for the 100 meters to lose by 0.01 seconds. Is that a bottling?

Personally that laddie shouldn't have played never mind take a penalty, but hats off to him for taking the field. His head was not in the right place. When stepping up to take the penalty, I'm just submising he has been saying to himself " I'm going to do this for you dad"

Do these compare? the chances we had to beat them, with a swimmer missing out by 000.1 second.

Allant1981
03-01-2021, 01:47 PM
But we still got beat, I think that's what some are saying, we gave no ruthlessness, why accept doing alright and getting beat, why not be angry the we played well and got beat. For too long now we've had this mind set of top 6 is good, 4th is very decent but top 2 is beyond us because it's always Rangers and Celtic that get top 2. We've given both these teams bloody good games, even beaten Sevco in that cup final, we have to change or psyche at the club and start challenging more often.

We will only challenge the top 2 if we spend serious money, Gerrard has spent millions in the last couple of seasons to get that squad, we simply don't have the money to compete for top 2 over the course of a season, nothing to do with changing mindset or psyche, it's just facts. Money talks. Our aim has to be 3rd/4th and a cup win consistently, curre tly sitting 4th and in the semi final of a cup, surely we are on track to where we should be

MWHIBBIES
03-01-2021, 01:50 PM
Personally that laddie shouldn't have played never mind take a penalty, but hats off to him for taking the field. His head was not in the right place. When stepping up to take the penalty, I'm just submising he has been saying to himself " I'm going to do this for you dad"

Do these compare? the chances we had to beat them, with a swimmer missing out by 000.1 second.

If he scores first half then yes it looks an inspired decision. Slim margins.

Jones28
03-01-2021, 01:51 PM
[QUOTE=Jones28;6406332]He was right

We bottled it, nothing to do with fine margins. Its not the only time he has used that strap line.

Because it’s ****ing true.

Fine margins are the width of a crossbar; a goalkeeper playing out his skin (Gordon in the SF, Seigreist for DU); players missing chances (Doidge guilty of plenty of misses this season); the cross fro the Rangers goal taking a nick off a Hibs players before it reaches Hagi.

Yesterday was poor no question, but it wasn’t bottle that lost us that game. 2 in a row we have been beaten in the middle of the park, 2 games in a row that prove what we were all agreeing with earlier this season; that the midfield needs improving. That’s it, it’s not a question of bottle, it’s a question of signing quality in the right areas.

matty_f
03-01-2021, 01:54 PM
But we still got beat, I think that's what some are saying, we gave no ruthlessness, why accept doing alright and getting beat, why not be angry the we played well and got beat. For too long now we've had this mind set of top 6 is good, 4th is very decent but top 2 is beyond us because it's always Rangers and Celtic that get top 2. We've given both these teams bloody good games, even beaten Sevco in that cup final, we have to change or psyche at the club and start challenging more often.

Jack Ross said after Ibrox that he wasn’t happy that we lost and that nobody at the club could be happy at not winning.

J-C
03-01-2021, 01:55 PM
We will only challenge the top 2 if we spend serious money, Gerrard has spent millions in the last couple of seasons to get that squad, we simply don't have the money to compete for top 2 over the course of a season, nothing to do with changing mindset or psyche, it's just facts. Money talks. Our aim has to be 3rd/4th and a cup win consistently, curre tly sitting 4th and in the semi final of a cup, surely we are on track to where we should be

I know money talks but it's more about mentality, why just be happy to get a draw or play well against them, why not be pissed off we didn't come away with a win. That same piss poor mentality also means we struggle against Livi, Ross Co, etc. So instead of hoping for top 4, let's make 3rd/4th a must and get as close as we can to the top spot. It happened with Lennon, 2 games to get 2nd then 2 crap games against Aberdeen and Hearts, we ended up 4th with Lennon questioning himself and us.

matty_f
03-01-2021, 01:57 PM
I know money talks but it's more about mentality, why just be happy to get a draw or play well against them, why not be pissed off we didn't come away with a win. That same piss poor mentality also means we struggle against Livi, Ross Co, etc. So instead of hoping for top 4, let's make 3rd/4th a must and get as close as we can to the top spot. It happened with Lennon, 2 games to get 2nd then 2 crap games against Aberdeen and Hearts, we ended up 4th with Lennon questioning himself and us.

If we went absolutely mental about losing there do you think it would negate the £65m (using the figure quoted earlier) that Rangers have spent to get their squad where it is?

J-C
03-01-2021, 01:57 PM
Jack Ross said after Ibrox that he wasn’t happy that we lost and that nobody at the club could be happy at not winning.

Did he, I honestly can't remember him saying that.

matty_f
03-01-2021, 01:58 PM
Did he, I honestly can't remember him saying that.

More or less the first thing he said.

Edit, from the BBC website:

Hibernian manager Jack Ross: "We are trying to grow and foster a mentality at the club where we are not happy to lose matches, so we are disappointed we have not taken anything from the game.

"But it's a day for tempering that with pride in large parts of our performance. I thought we were excellent in how hard we made Rangers work for their victory in a stadium where they have been relentless this season."

Allez Hibs
03-01-2021, 01:59 PM
:agree: Nisbet had bottle in abundance to take that penalty.

To be fair and its easy with hindsight he shouldn't have been taking that penalty.

Paul Hanlon should have stepped up and put his foot through it.

matty_f
03-01-2021, 02:00 PM
To be fair and its easy with hindsight he shouldn't have been taking that penalty.

Paul Hanlon should have stepped up and put his foot through it.

Hanlon, who missed his last penalty when he put his foot through it?

J-C
03-01-2021, 02:01 PM
If we went absolutely mental about losing there do you think it would negate the £65m (using the figure quoted earlier) that Rangers have spent to get their squad where it is?

Not always about going mental, I still think we have a very soft centre going through our players, we seem to have a lack of belief at times, looking at the players coming out the tunnel for the 2nd half didn't instill confidence, Livi came out jogging and looking up for it and it showed.

Allant1981
03-01-2021, 02:02 PM
I know money talks but it's more about mentality, why just be happy to get a draw or play well against them, why not be pissed off we didn't come away with a win. That same piss poor mentality also means we struggle against Livi, Ross Co, etc. So instead of hoping for top 4, let's make 3rd/4th a must and get as close as we can to the top spot. It happened with Lennon, 2 games to get 2nd then 2 crap games against Aberdeen and Hearts, we ended up 4th with Lennon questioning himself and us.

Who says the players weren't/aren't pissed off? Pretty sure their mentality is fine or they would be playing Premier league football or even sitting 4th in the league currently. They are having a bad spell, all teams go through it at some point, it's now up to the management team and players to sort it out. Again rangers have spent millions since that season which is why they are miles ahead again, nothing to do with mentality

matty_f
03-01-2021, 02:04 PM
Not always about going mental, I still think we have a very soft centre going through our players, we seem to have a lack of belief at times, looking at the players coming out the tunnel for the 2nd half didn't instill confidence, Livi came out jogging and looking up for it and it showed.

Did they display that at Ibrox?

J-C
03-01-2021, 02:05 PM
More or less the first thing he said.

Edit, from the BBC website:

Hibernian manager Jack Ross: "We are trying to grow and foster a mentality at the club where we are not happy to lose matches, so we are disappointed we have not taken anything from the game.

"But it's a day for tempering that with pride in large parts of our performance. I thought we were excellent in how hard we made Rangers work for their victory in a stadium where they have been relentless this season."

👍

I remember it now, cheers.

I have no problems leaving Ibrox or Parkhead if we put in a performance but unfortunately we lose or even draw and if he was unhappy fine. It's the sloppy disinterested games like yesterday that annoys me, there have been too many for my liking.

J-C
03-01-2021, 02:07 PM
Did they display that at Ibrox?

See my reply below, yes they did but then we revert back to the rubbish against Ross C and Livi. The question has to be why do we go from looking really good at Ibrox to a bunch of no hopes within days

Key West
03-01-2021, 02:15 PM
Even Celtic and Rangers need that extra bit of quality at times to overcome the likes of Ross County and Livingston when they are proving to be stubborn opposition. When you are paying millions for players that usually results in composure,consistency, better decision making and a stronger mindset, they also have bigger squads. We have players with potential, a much smaller squad and a management team who are trying to get the balance correct which takes time. There is no short cuts.

hibee-boys
03-01-2021, 02:45 PM
I couldn’t care less about how we perform in Glasgow, results/performances in Glasgow won’t define our season it’s the results against Aberdeen, big cup ties and consistently beating teams below us that will. So far, and being aware that there has been an improvement in the latter example, Jack Ross and his team have got much work to do. The loss to Hearts/beat twice of Aberdeen and getting humiliated at home by the footballing giants of Ross County and Livingston is a worry.