If you "pony up" first Ron, i'll follow you...

[Scotty Leither]

I was going to donate my £25 match fee to HSL, on top of my £30 per month subscription following their appeal, but I think i'll keep my hand in my pocket until Ron Gordon puts his hand in his and furnishes the squad with a couple of players.

Maybe that imposter Tanner will ask Mathie about the paucity of the squad at halftime, but I'll not hold my breath?

[heretoday]

I was going to donate my £25 match fee to HSL, on top of my £30 per month subscription following their appeal, but I think i'll keep my hand in my pocket until Ron Gordon puts his hand in his and furnishes the squad with a couple of players.

Maybe that imposter Tanner will ask Mathie about the paucity of the squad at halftime, but I'll not hold my breath?

After nearly 60 mostly disappointing years of support I don't owe them anything. They effing owe me.

[Scotty Leither]

In all seriousness, it's a decent initiative by HSL but the club don't seem that bothered in backing it, there's nothing on the official website, unless i've missed it?

[Chorley Hibee]

In all seriousness, it's a decent initiative by HSL but the club don't seem that bothered in backing it, there's nothing on the official website, unless i've missed it?

The club aren't interested in it, it's been abundantly clear for months now.

[jacomo]

The club aren't interested in it, it's been abundantly clear for months now.


Baffling and will hurt overall contributions.

[Gerard]

Baffling and will hurt overall contributions.

The club could easily say via the website, its social media accounts and tradiotional media: Thank you HSL for donating the vast sums of money to the club and continuing to doante money to the club. I read that in the lasy year HSL gave over 270,000 pounds in what may be called the 'Year from Hell'.
HSL 'Ponys' up to help our club . I think it is time for our PSH Mr RJ Gordon to follow our exmaple.:wink:

[Pagan Hibernia]

agree. The supporters give, and give, and give. Time for the majority shareholder to do likewise.

[Rumble de Thump]

Didn't Ron Gordon 'pony up' when he bought the club and cleared the club's debt?

[Pagan Hibernia]

Didn't Ron Gordon 'pony up' when he bought the club and cleared the club's debt?

so that’s his job done is it?

[Daniel 1875]

In all seriousness, it's a decent initiative by HSL but the club don't seem that bothered in backing it, there's nothing on the official website, unless i've missed it?

In fairness the club were made aware of the campaign this morning, on a matchday where the limited staff at the club are undoubtedly running around doing other things.

We can’t always wait on approval or responses from the club before running with things as it would mean a delay to getting stuff moving at times.

Ron Gordon has different views on fan ownership to Tom Farmer but the club have been supportive in recent months and I’m sure they’ll be supportive of this.

[Vault Boy]

so that’s his job done is it?

Who said that? The point was that he cleared the debt and made a cash injection to the club, spending millions in doing so. If that's not 'ponying up' I don't know what is.

[Alfred E Newman]

so that’s his job done is it?

You can't blame Ron Gordon for this shambles. It's squarely down to the coaching staff and players.

[Rumble de Thump]

so that’s his job done is it?

He's already announced details of how he intends to improve various aspects of the club. When we're over the pandemic hopefully we'll some action regarding that. That's his job after all.

[Glory Lurker]

Aberdeen and Hearts fans who can afford it aren’t sitting back expecting somebody else to put in.

[Pretty Boy]

I'm not going to knock Ron Gordon and his financial contribution. Far from it.

However I think the club should be doing far more to promote HSL. It's essentially asking fans to make a financial donation to the club over and above their ST, strip, Happy Hibee ticket and various other things. The share option has been removed so there is nothing tangible in return. A better team on the park is not guaranteed and it's subjective.

I understand there are potential restrictions around what Hibs can do but from what I see on social media the likes of Hearts and Motherwell do far, far more to promote their respective schemes.

[Pagan Hibernia]

Who said that? The point was that he cleared the debt and made a cash injection to the club, spending millions in doing so. If that's not 'ponying up' I don't know what is.

yes and HSL have invested over a million too. And continue to invest every month. The original OP thinks RG should continue ponying up. I agree with that.

maybe he already is. In which case, thanks Ron. Keep it up.

[Pagan Hibernia]

You can't blame Ron Gordon for this shambles. It's squarely down to the coaching staff and players.

I don’t blame him for this. Not even slightly.

[Scotty Leither]

In fairness the club were made aware of the campaign this morning, on a matchday where the limited staff at the club are undoubtedly running around doing other things.

We can’t always wait on approval or responses from the club before running with things as it would mean a delay to getting stuff moving at times.

Ron Gordon has different views on fan ownership to Tom Farmer but the club have been supportive in recent months and I’m sure they’ll be supportive of this.

Eh? I got my email on Thursday - that's a full 48 hours before today and not a whisper on the club website.

Gordon might have different view on fan ownership - i.e. he's not keen on it - but this is free money for the club, and I don't understand the club's reticence.

It's reminiscent of Petrie and Forsyth's woeful attempts at PR - radio silence and hope the natives don't notice.

[Daniel 1875]

Eh? I got my email on Thursday - that's a full 48 hours before today and not a whisper on the club website.

Gordon might have different view on fan ownership - i.e. he's not keen on it - but this is free money for the club, and I don't understand the club's reticence.

It's reminiscent of Petrie and Forsyth's woeful attempts at PR - radio silence and hope the natives don't notice.

The HS board launched the Hampden £100k campaign on Thursday. I emailed the club this morning to make them aware of it and ask them for some help.

One member of staff is on holiday until Monday and the other will have been at the stadium running the match day operation today. I’d hope we’ll get a response next week.

[Scotty Leither]

The HS board launched the Hampden £100k campaign on Thursday. I emailed the club this morning to make them aware of it and ask them for some help.

One member of staff is on holiday until Monday and the other will have been at the stadium running the match day operation today. I’d hope we’ll get a response next week.


Fair play to you coming back so quickly, Daniel - but it's not just this one latest initiative - there (seems) to be zero to none enthusiasm for it at Board level, as there's never a peep from them about it.

As far as i'm aware, Gordon has stated there'll be no more dilution of his shareholding, so what's his issue with lending his considerable media experience to boost HSL's profile?

i genuinely don't get his stance, and as I said in a previous post I detect the dead hand of Benchmark PR in the club's approach to this.

[Gerard]

yes and HSL have invested over a million too. And continue to invest every month. The original OP thinks RG should continue ponying up. I agree with that.

maybe he already is. In which case, thanks Ron. Keep it up.

At a time when many people are concerned about job security and paying essential bills; Hibs are not an essential product compared to the basic essentials of living. They are an important part of many people's lives. HSL is making a very important contribution to the club's income at a time when the games are missing from attending supporters and away fans. I know that the club has a lot on its plate and the staff are doing their best in toiugh circumstances.

With the use of technology it is not hard to communicate with the fans and encourage them to donate money to the club. HSL is the second largest share holder and continues to be a generous supporter of the club with large donations.

I am sure that the many Hibs fans websites are read from time to time. The majority of fans are rational in what they post and want from the club. I think it is time that the club are clear about the continuing money HSL gives to the club. If they are looking to have thier own system of fans giving to the club that is a potential way to go forward. I would potentially support this venture.

I can understand Mr Gordon's position as he has the controlling amount of shares in the club apprx 67 Percent. He has paid off our debts and injected money into the club and that is to the club's benefit. There are many people who are very happy to help the club if asked. If Mr Gordon takes the position that this help is not required that is his choice and I wish him all the best.:wink:

[Daniel 1875]

Fair play to you coming back so quickly, Daniel - but it's not just this one latest initiative - there (seems) to be zero to none enthusiasm for it at Board level, as there's never a peep from them about it.

As far as i'm aware, Gordon has stated there'll be no more dilution of his shareholding, so what's his issue with lending his considerable media experience to boost HSL's profile?

i genuinely don't get his stance, and as I said in a previous post I detect the dead hand of Benchmark PR in the club's approach to this.

I can’t speak for the Hibs board as I’ve never dealt directly with them. But what I can say is that the staff at the club have been helpful in promoting what we’re trying to do.

Since the summer they’ve given us various prizes, included an ad in the match programmes, included HS in the club mail shots and given us a prime slot on the home match coverage for an advert.

I’ve yet to speak to anyone about what we can do together for this month’s initiative but it’s worth remembering the club are still running on a reduced staff base due to redundancies and furlough. They’ve been willing to help wherever they can in recent months.

The relationship between Ron Gordon and the guys on the HS board is decent enough. He has recently invested a large sum of money in the club and doesn’t have any interest in decreasing his stake. The recent appointments to the board show he is looking to grow the club’s presence in commercial Edinburgh and bring some big businesses closer to the club.

It’s understandable that there will be frustrations when things aren’t going too well on the pitch, and we are likely to face difficulties in asking supporters for more money at this time of year. But all HS can do at the moment is continue to try and help the club with ongoing significant financial support.

[Purple & Green]

Forsyth is still there.


Eh? I got my email on Thursday - that's a full 48 hours before today and not a whisper on the club website.

Gordon might have different view on fan ownership - i.e. he's not keen on it - but this is free money for the club, and I don't understand the club's reticence.

It's reminiscent of Petrie and Forsyth's woeful attempts at PR - radio silence and hope the natives don't notice.

[Scotty Leither]

Forsyth is still there.

I know - although i'm baffled as to why.

[Scotty Leither]

I can’t speak for the Hibs board as I’ve never dealt directly with them. But what I can say is that the staff at the club have been helpful in promoting what we’re trying to do.

Since the summer they’ve given us various prizes, included an ad in the match programmes, included HS in the club mail shots and given us a prime slot on the home match coverage for an advert.

I’ve yet to speak to anyone about what we can do together for this month’s initiative but it’s worth remembering the club are still running on a reduced staff base due to redundancies and furlough. They’ve been willing to help wherever they can in recent months.

The relationship between Ron Gordon and the guys on the HS board is decent enough. He has recently invested a large sum of money in the club and doesn’t have any interest in decreasing his stake. The recent appointments to the board show he is looking to grow the club’s presence in commercial Edinburgh and bring some big businesses closer to the club.

It’s understandable that there will be frustrations when things aren’t going too well on the pitch, and we are likely to face difficulties in asking supporters for more money at this time of year. But all HS can do at the moment is continue to try and help the club with ongoing significant financial support.

First of all Daniel, I 100% laud you for your efforts and I wouldn't try to draw you onto a hook about HSL's relationship with the Board, but for you not to have any contact with them as the guy who comes on here to drum up support for HSL is a poor state of affairs, and reflects badly on the club. So keep on doing what you're doing and I wish you well in your efforts.

On that note though, this is maybe one for the fans' rep: What's the club's take on HSL, Kieran, and why do they appear to operate an arms-length relationship with them?

[Viva_Palmeiras]

First of all Daniel, I 100% laud you for your efforts and I wouldn't try to draw you onto a hook about HSL's relationship with the Board, but for you not to have any contact with them as the guy who comes on here to drum up support for HSL is a poor state of affairs, and reflects badly on the club. So keep on doing what you're doing and I wish you well in your efforts.

On that note though, this is maybe one for the fans' rep: What's the club's take on HSL, Kieran, and why do they appear to operate an arms-length relationship with them?

Is it not the case for tax purposes that there needs to be seen to be a degree of separation from the club and HSL?

[CropleyWasGod]

Is it not the case for tax purposes that there needs to be seen to be a degree of separation from the club and HSL?

It is.

And has been said many times, on here and elsewhere.

[Scotty Leither]

It is.

And has been said many times, on here and elsewhere.

So for us less well-informed mortals not versed in the intricacies of company law, if they're that hung up on even publicly thanking HSL and the fans for their efforts for fear of breaking the law, what's to stop the club forming its own publically endorsed supporter donation initiative run along the lines of Aberdeen and their AberDNA set up?

Anyone on here or from the club like to enlighten us?

[Vault Boy]

So for us less well-informed mortals not versed in the intricacies of company law, if they're that hung up on even publicly thanking HSL and the fans for their efforts for fear of breaking the law, what's to stop the club forming its own publically endorsed supporter donation initiative run along the lines of Aberdeen and their AberDNA set up?

Anyone on here or from the club like to enlighten us?

Hibs would lose money on that as they'd be subject to tax rules that HSL aren't. We're better off putting money into the club through HSL.

Can see it maybe happening a few years down the line though.

[CropleyWasGod]

So for us less well-informed mortals not versed in the intricacies of company law, if they're that hung up on even publicly thanking HSL and the fans for their efforts for fear of breaking the law, what's to stop the club forming its own publically endorsed supporter donation initiative run along the lines of Aberdeen and their AberDNA set up?

Anyone on here or from the club like to enlighten us?

Aberdeen will pay VAT (and Corporation Tax) on their income, as it's linked to goods and services.

[Stokesy's on fire]

If Ron Gordon seriously values success and wants to the club to be successful then this transfer window is his chance to prove his intentions. We have a real good chance at winning a cup all he needs to do is invest in serious quality. Its not all down to the fans to shell out. Its time the club started to be ambitious and now is the time.

[Scotty Leither]

Aberdeen will pay VAT (and Corporation Tax) on their income, as it's linked to goods and services.

Thanks. What are Hibs scared of in doing the same as Aberdeen have then?

It seems kind of self-limiting not to put the full commercial weight of the club behind its own scheme, much as the efforts of HSL are widely commended.

I keep wanting this new(ish) owner to be everything Farmer and especially Petrie weren't, in terms of pushing the club on beyond its owner and his factor's personal wee fiefdom horizons, but to be honest I'm beginning to hae ma doubts that he's very similar in his outlook as they were.

A couple of decent much needed signings in January might dispel that, and might encourage me to make a donation over and above my monthly D/D, but having watched the last two half-@rsed performances at home, and the lacklustre, timid comments of our Sporting Director post-match, I might just not bother.

[Danderhall Hibs]

It is.

And has been said many times, on here and elsewhere.

Is the Hearts one the same as ours or Aberdeen’s?

Are we being ultra cautious (similar to when they wouldn’t let you buy direct shares without an IFA) or is it a legitimate concern?

[matty_f]

We spent decent fees on players in the summer despite knowing we were facing a long spell without fans and a huge cut in income.

We secured Martin Boyle when many thought he was on his way out.

Gordon already revealed plans for the club at the AGM (pre-Covid) that outlined that he wanted to double the wage bill.


Yet despite this, on the back of two admittedly horrendous performances, we get a thread like this putting a damper on an attempt by HSL to raise some finance to improve the club.


With friends like these, eh?

[SweetDreams]

Dempster leaving. A poor run of form. Knocked out the Scottish Cup semi final by Hearts. Not looking promising.

[Viva_Palmeiras]

It is.

And has been said many times, on here and elsewhere.

I know, you know, it was kinda rhetorical but no matter how many times it’s mentioned seems to pass folks by for whatever reason.

[CropleyWasGod]

I know, you know, it was kinda rhetorical but no matter how many times it’s mentioned seems to pass folks by for whatever reason.

:rolleyes::greengrin

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

Who said that? The point was that he cleared the debt and made a cash injection to the club, spending millions in doing so. If that's not 'ponying up' I don't know what is.

I'm still none the wiser what his reasons were for doing so to be honest.

[Jones28]

Dempster leaving. A poor run of form. Knocked out the Scottish Cup semi final by Hearts. Not looking promising.

It’s 4 games ffs. One against Rangers away, one against United that we should have won by a long way but for poor finishing. There’s not much defence for the RC game and none for today’s but come on.

[AugustaHibs]

It’s 4 games ffs. One against Rangers away, one against United that we should have won by a long way but for poor finishing. There’s not much defence for the RC game and none for today’s but come on.

4 games is quite a few when your pushing for third..

[Stokesy's on fire]

It’s 4 games ffs. One against Rangers away, one against United that we should have won by a long way but for poor finishing. There’s not much defence for the RC game and none for today’s but come on.

4 games too many we need to be aiming high

[Scotty Leither]

We spent decent fees on players in the summer despite knowing we were facing a long spell without fans and a huge cut in income.

We secured Martin Boyle when many thought he was on his way out.

Gordon already revealed plans for the club at the AGM (pre-Covid) that outlined that he wanted to double the wage bill.


Yet despite this, on the back of two admittedly horrendous performances, we get a thread like this putting a damper on an attempt by HSL to raise some finance to improve the club.


With friends like these, eh?

Wow...a thread is started asking why the club aren't being more visible in their backing of HSL, or indeed setting their own fan-backed scheme to bring monies into the club, and that's conflated into "putting a damper on an attempt by HSL to raise some finance to improve the club".

In a thread that I've stated that I already make a monthly contribution through HSL, but would like our owner to potentially match what HSL are manfully trying to do?

Even by your historic grovelling standards of successive Boards at ER being able to do no wrong that really takes the cake.

With @rse kissers like these, eh?

[NAE NOOKIE]

We spent decent fees on players in the summer despite knowing we were facing a long spell without fans and a huge cut in income.

We secured Martin Boyle when many thought he was on his way out.

Gordon already revealed plans for the club at the AGM (pre-Covid) that outlined that he wanted to double the wage bill.


Yet despite this, on the back of two admittedly horrendous performances, we get a thread like this putting a damper on an attempt by HSL to raise some finance to improve the club.


With friends like these, eh?

Of all the stated aims of Ron Gordon at the AGM this was by far the biggest and most important. Clubs like us don't achieve success paying massive transfer fees, we do it by offering better wages than our direct competitors .... If we could reach the level of an average of £5,000 a week for 16 first team players we would need to raise just over 4 million quid a year to do it. We could be paying selected players around £7,000 a week on a wage budget like that. If we could match the likes of Aberdeen for wages that's when a very nice city to live in and great training facilities do come into play if it just becomes a toss up between two clubs offering the same money.

[Viva_Palmeiras]

Wow...a thread is started asking why the club aren't being more visible in their backing of HSL, or indeed setting their own fan-backed scheme to bring monies into the club, and that's conflated into "putting a damper on an attempt by HSL to raise some finance to improve the club".

In a thread that I've stated that I already make a monthly contribution through HSL, but would like our owner to potentially match what HSL are manfully trying to do?

Even by your historic grovelling standards of successive Boards at ER being able to do no wrong that really takes the cake.

With @rse kissers like these, eh?

Matty is pretty balanced. I think you’re second last sentence is uncalled for. Maybe you can share experiences of direct in-person engagement with the club? Maybe you have, maybe you haven’t.

Matty is sharing insights some of which may be based on his volunteering on LWT. He’s interviewed folks at the club. You come across as bitter towards him for whatever reason.

You do realise that for tax purposes the club cannot be seen to get directly involved with HSL right? The penny doesn’t appear to have dropped.

Maybe not as it could have saved a bit of time and energy? It was CWG that clarified the position re Tax he added ithas mentioned on many occasions.

[DanishJohn]

Matty is pretty balanced. I think you’re second last sentence is uncalled for. Maybe you can share experiences of direct in-person engagement with the club? Maybe you have, maybe you haven’t.

Matty is sharing insights some of which may be based on his volunteering on LWT. He’s interviewed folks at the club. You come across as bitter towards him for whatever reason.

You do realise that for tax purposes the club cannot be seen to get directly involved with HSL right? The penny doesn’t appear to have dropped.

Maybe not as it could have saved a bit of time and energy? It was CWG that clarified the position re Tax he added ithas mentioned on many occasions.



You need to revisit your third paragraph.

The HSL board had two Hibernian football club appointed board members.
I would call that being directly involved.
Wouldn't you?

[HibsGW]

Ron Gordon has ‘ponied up’, he cleared all of the club’s debt when he came in and added something like 1 and a half million of cash when he arrived. Suggesting that he should just solve all of our problems is absolutely ridiculous. He is under no obligation at all to just start pumping his own money in and has always said that he wants the club to function like a well run business, generating profits and reinvesting them. Some reality needed if anyone thinks it’s time for Ron Gordon to just start throwing millions in to the fire.

[Not In The Know]

We spent decent fees on players in the summer despite knowing we were facing a long spell without fans and a huge cut in income.

We secured Martin Boyle when many thought he was on his way out.

Gordon already revealed plans for the club at the AGM (pre-Covid) that outlined that he wanted to double the wage bill.


Yet despite this, on the back of two admittedly horrendous performances, we get a thread like this putting a damper on an attempt by HSL to raise some finance to improve the club.


With friends like these, eh?

Good post. How do people think we managed to sign Nisbet and Macgennis?
They are two players we would have struggled to get under Petrie

He is investing significant sums into the club. But doing it sensibly and with a long term plan.

Jambosplashing cash about is fun for a while but doesn’t achieve his long term goal of growing the club to eventually be spending a considerable amount on players consistently and with sustainability

[Hibbyradge]

I donate what I can afford to donate. How much Ron Gordon or anyone else "ponies up" is irrelevant.

Blaming someone else's lack of contribution for keeping your own hand in your pocket seems rather convenient.

[Daniel 1875]

I think the key point here is Hibernian Supporters have taken the initiative to try and raise some funds for the football club during an important month of the season.

£100k is a huge amount of money and a very ambitious target but we aim to raise that with or without any additional input from Ron Gordon. If we can do that then we’ll give a real boost to the football budget at a time when I think many agree we could do with a couple of fresh faces in the squad.

[matty_f]

Wow...a thread is started asking why the club aren't being more visible in their backing of HSL, or indeed setting their own fan-backed scheme to bring monies into the club, and that's conflated into "putting a damper on an attempt by HSL to raise some finance to improve the club".

In a thread that I've stated that I already make a monthly contribution through HSL, but would like our owner to potentially match what HSL are manfully trying to do?

Even by your historic grovelling standards of successive Boards at ER being able to do no wrong that really takes the cake.

With @rse kissers like these, eh?
:faf:

[Frazerbob]

Are folk forgetting that we’re almost a year into a pandemic that has seen no fans attend games and a massive reduction in turnover for the club? Frankly, Ron keeping the club in existence, with the budget we currently have and having us compete for Europe and the latter stages in the cups tells me he is ‘ponying up’. I’m also pretty sure he will somehow find the funds to bring in 2 or 3 players in January to ensure we push on from what is actually a pretty strong position, despite the last few results.

Let’s not forget, we are not out the woods yet. If there’s still no fans in stadiums come the end of the season, how do we think season ticket sales will go? Financial forecasting will be a scary process.

[SHODAN]

The manager has been backed. He and the players are not performing.

[bigwheel]

The manager has been backed. He and the players are not performing.

Yes, agreed - but for only the first time this season in a few matches in a row.

Let’s see them change that in the coming weeks. At Ibrox we were excellent, we haven’t become a bad team overnight


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[SHODAN]

Yes, agreed - but for only the first time this season in a few matches in a row.

Let’s see them change that in the coming weeks. At Ibrox we were excellent, we haven’t become a bad team overnight


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I agree. Apologies, previous post read a bit harsh!

[hibsbollah]

I’m really not that desperate for any extra expenditure on the team. It’s just not sensible in the current economic climate. It wasn’t that long ago we were all excited about the Macgennis and Boyle news, some more depth at CB and striker might be a good idea but on paper we have the 4th best squad in Scotland, we need to stabilise with the squad we’ve got which should be enough to maintain our current league position and win the league cup.

[Viva_Palmeiras]

You need to revisit your third paragraph.

The HSL board had two Hibernian football club appointed board members.
I would call that being directly involved.
Wouldn't you?

No they were acting in a different individual capacity and not as members of a collective Hibs Board. Subtle but important distinction just as they would be free to be non-exec directors of other organisations/institutions. No longer applies to Leeann of course even if she is still in directorship of HSL

[Hibernia&Alba]

These threads always end up in a kind of chicken and egg debate: who should act first and to what extent. Everyone can make their own decision. Those who can afford to donate to HSL and wish to, can; those who cannot afford it or don't wish to donate, won't. There is no compulsion and no shame in not donating. When it comes to owners, the fact is that, unless we miraculously find a Mansoor or an Abramovic, a club our size will have to try to achieve most bang for the buck, and a scheme like HSL can help us do that. We can't force an owner to put in more.

[jacomo]

I know, you know, it was kinda rhetorical but no matter how many times it’s mentioned seems to pass folks by for whatever reason.


Nothing is passing me by.

Legal separation of the two entities does not and should not prevent a better working relationship. Yet again another initiative is launched with zero coordination between the two. It’s so frustrating.

[matty_f]

These threads always end up in a kind of chicken and egg debate: who should act first and to what extent. Everyone can make their own decision. Those who can afford to donate to HSL and wish to, can; those who cannot afford it or don't wish to donate, won't. There is no compulsion and no shame in not donating. When it comes to owners, the fact is that, unless we miraculously find a Mansoor or an Abramovic, a club our size will have to try to achieve most bang for the buck, and a scheme like HSL can help us do that. We can't force an owner to put in more.

Totally agree, but we can acknowledge when an owner has put in money.

[jacomo]

Totally agree, but we can acknowledge when an owner has put in money.


Yes of course Ron has put in money but he got a load of tangible assets in return.

That’s an investment, this is a donation. Given that the club can’t even be bothered to acknowledge this latest initiative, I don’t think it’s unreasonable for supporters to ask some questions.

[matty_f]

Yes of course Ron has put in money but he got a load of tangible assets in return.

That’s an investment, this is a donation. Given that the club can’t even be bothered to acknowledge this latest initiative, I don’t think it’s unreasonable for supporters to ask some questions.

Not unreasonable at all. We should always be asking questions. :agree:

[Daniel 1875]

Yes of course Ron has put in money but he got a load of tangible assets in return.

That’s an investment, this is a donation. Given that the club can’t even be bothered to acknowledge this latest initiative, I don’t think it’s unreasonable for supporters to ask some questions.

In fairness I think the characterisation that the club ‘can’t be bothered to acknowledge this latest initiative’ is untrue.

They were informed about it yesterday morning, on a matchday, and one member of staff is on annual leave and the other was running the matchday media operation.

There’s a limited staff base doing extra work at the club at the moment and they’ve been happy to help on almost every occasion since the summer.

[Danderhall Hibs]

Not unreasonable at all. We should always be asking questions. :agree:

:agree: I asked one last night - does anyone know?


Is the Hearts one the same as ours or Aberdeen’s?

Are we being ultra cautious (similar to when they wouldn’t let you buy direct shares without an IFA) or is it a legitimate concern?

[Daniel 1875]

:agree: I asked one last night - does anyone know?

Hibernian Supporters in closer to the Foundation of Hearts than AberDNA. AberDNA is run by the club and offers discounts and goodies in return for an annual membership. It’s also subject to 20% VAT on all fan payments.

Foundation of Hearts is a donation scheme which has raised a pre agreed sum of funds to buy the club from Ann Budge and continues to raise additional funds for the club now they’ve raised enough to pay Budge.

[matty_f]

In fairness I think the characterisation that the club ‘can’t be bothered to acknowledge this latest initiative’ is untrue.

They were informed about it yesterday morning, on a matchday, and one member of staff is on annual leave and the other was running the matchday media operation.

There’s a limited staff base doing extra work at the club at the moment and they’ve been happy to help on almost every occasion since the summer.
Arse licker. :greengrin

[DanishJohn]

No they were acting in a different individual capacity and not as members of a collective Hibs Board. Subtle but important distinction just as they would be free to be non-exec directors of other organisations/institutions. No longer applies to Leeann of course even if she is still in directorship of HSL

You've got me baffled

You'll need to explain the subtle distinction.

I'm reading the articles of association.

Parts 14.1 and 14.5

That should clear it up.

They were appointed by HFC.

[Gerard]

You need to revisit your third paragraph.

The HSL board had two Hibernian football club appointed board members.
I would call that being directly involved.
Wouldn't you?

They had 2 Mr S Dunn resigned from the HSL board and Ms L Dempster will also soon leave the HS board. HS is the second largest share holder in HFC and should have at least one director to look after its interests.

[CallumLaidlaw]

Are folk forgetting that we’re almost a year into a pandemic that has seen no fans attend games and a massive reduction in turnover for the club? Frankly, Ron keeping the club in existence, with the budget we currently have and having us compete for Europe and the latter stages in the cups tells me he is ‘ponying up’. I’m also pretty sure he will somehow find the funds to bring in 2 or 3 players in January to ensure we push on from what is actually a pretty strong position, despite the last few results.

Let’s not forget, we are not out the woods yet. If there’s still no fans in stadiums come the end of the season, how do we think season ticket sales will go? Financial forecasting will be a scary process.

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[Danderhall Hibs]

Hibernian Supporters in closer to the Foundation of Hearts than AberDNA. AberDNA is run by the club and offers discounts and goodies in return for an annual membership. It’s also subject to 20% VAT on all fan payments.

Foundation of Hearts is a donation scheme which has raised a pre agreed sum of funds to buy the club from Ann Budge and continues to raise additional funds for the club now they’ve raised enough to pay Budge.

Cheers. So that begs the question how come Hearts continually make reference to the foundation but we’re not allowed to?

[matty_f]

Cheers. So that begs the question how come Hearts continually make reference to the foundation but we’re not allowed to?

I think (this is my understanding of it, so happy to stand corrected) we’re both able to talk about it but promoting it is a different story.

A quick look at Hearts’ website and there’s no reference or links to FoH at all.

Hearts will reference it more because FoH bring in significantly more money, have been significantly more active (spurred on by being daft enough to think they were voted out the league) and are due to take ownership of the club.


I think Hibs could do a lot more to support HSL, but that thought isn’t held with any knowledge of what they can and can’t do.

[Daniel 1875]

Cheers. So that begs the question how come Hearts continually make reference to the foundation but we’re not allowed to?

I think that comes down to perception to be honest. There is still an unfinished business transaction between the current chair and the FoH which means they'll be seen to be working closer together. Budge wants her money back and needs to keep them onside until she gets it.

Out of interest though - and from my side of things in trying to promote HS in conjunction with the club - I've just been through the Hearts twitter account since the start of December and there's no mention of the Foundation of Hearts. There's no mention of FoH on the Hearts website from at least the start of October (as far as I scrolled back) and there's no FoH advert in their last home match programme against Ayr on Boxing Day.

I've no idea what they do for their season ticket holders via live stream but I'd be willing to bet there's not a 40 second advert shown right before kick off of every home game either.

We're doing our best to work with the club and as I've said they have largely been accommodating and helpful in what we're doing. I think a shift in perception of Hibernian Supporters would go a long way to change a few minds on the good work that's being done and the club's attitude towards it.

[matty_f]

I think that comes down to perception to be honest. There is still an unfinished business transaction between the current chair and the FoH which means they'll be seen to be working closer together. Budge wants her money back and needs to keep them onside until she gets it.

Out of interest though - and from my side of things in trying to promote HS in conjunction with the club - I've just been through the Hearts twitter account since the start of December and there's no mention of the Foundation of Hearts. There's no mention of FoH on the Hearts website from at least the start of October (as far as I scrolled back) and there's no FoH advert in their last home match programme against Ayr on Boxing Day.

I've no idea what they do for their season ticket holders via live stream but I'd be willing to bet there's not a 40 second advert shown right before kick off of every home game either.

We're doing our best to work with the club and as I've said they have largely been accommodating and helpful in what we're doing. I think a shift in perception of Hibernian Supporters would go a long way to change a few minds on the good work that's being done and the club's attitude towards it.

Good post.

The TV ad is very good, but it shows how easily things can be overlooked that it’s taken until your post to highlight it.

That’s not to say ad has no impact, just that people don’t always make the connection between the two.

[Danderhall Hibs]

I think that comes down to perception to be honest. There is still an unfinished business transaction between the current chair and the FoH which means they'll be seen to be working closer together. Budge wants her money back and needs to keep them onside until she gets it.

Out of interest though - and from my side of things in trying to promote HS in conjunction with the club - I've just been through the Hearts twitter account since the start of December and there's no mention of the Foundation of Hearts. There's no mention of FoH on the Hearts website from at least the start of October (as far as I scrolled back) and there's no FoH advert in their last home match programme against Ayr on Boxing Day.

I've no idea what they do for their season ticket holders via live stream but I'd be willing to bet there's not a 40 second advert shown right before kick off of every home game either.

We're doing our best to work with the club and as I've said they have largely been accommodating and helpful in what we're doing. I think a shift in perception of Hibernian Supporters would go a long way to change a few minds on the good work that's being done and the club's attitude towards it.

That’s interesting. I definitely have a perception of them mentioning the foundation at every opportunity.

[matty_f]

That’s interesting. I definitely have a perception of them mentioning the foundation at every opportunity.

Same here, but i don’t pay enough attention to them to base that on anything. Could be that it’s independent parties that push it more (Evening News, Sportsound etc).

[weecounty hibby]

That’s interesting. I definitely have a perception of them mentioning the foundation at every opportunity.

I think it's actually the media that mentions the FOH at every opportunity. You hear it from Preston and English all the time

[weecounty hibby]

Same here, but i don’t pay enough attention to them to base that on anything. Could be that it’s independent parties that push it more (Evening News, Sportsound etc).

Just said the same, should have read to the end of the thread. They get free advertising all the time. BBC radiojambo are particularly bad for it

[Danderhall Hibs]

Just said the same, should have read to the end of the thread. They get free advertising all the time. BBC radiojambo are particularly bad for it

Even in the documentary about Hearts they had a fair few mentions and airtime.

[Frazerbob]

Chris Cadden......looks like Ron is ponying up again.

[blackpoolhibs]

I'm not going to knock Ron Gordon and his financial contribution. Far from it.

However I think the club should be doing far more to promote HSL. It's essentially asking fans to make a financial donation to the club over and above their ST, strip, Happy Hibee ticket and various other things. The share option has been removed so there is nothing tangible in return. A better team on the park is not guaranteed and it's subjective.

I understand there are potential restrictions around what Hibs can do but from what I see on social media the likes of Hearts and Motherwell do far, far more to promote their respective schemes.

Why are we as a club not getting the message over better, why do we seem reluctant to promote the arse out of it?

I can't fathom this at all, surely this is in everyones interest at the club? :confused:

[judas]

I was going to donate my £25 match fee to HSL, on top of my £30 per month subscription following their appeal, but I think i'll keep my hand in my pocket until Ron Gordon puts his hand in his and furnishes the squad with a couple of players.

Maybe that imposter Tanner will ask Mathie about the paucity of the squad at halftime, but I'll not hold my breath?

So, are you asking Ron to buy you a Pony, before you contribute your cash?

Or are you asking Ron to travel on horse back (possibly on a Pony) somewhere?

Maybe Ron could arrive on a Pony and speak with Mathie and Tanner, before making arrangements with them to deliver a Pony (he would obviously need to know when they would be at home for delivery purposes)?! After that he could come and speak to you directly about a Pony.

I would be concerned about giving a Pony to an imposter though, as I rather like animals.

Thinking outside the box here, maybe a bonus scheme could be implemented and players could earn a Pony? Maybe that could replace actual cash as the mane motivator.

Then each player would be a 'Pony Up', which would align more specifically with the thrust of your proposal.

[Keith_M]

Breaking News:

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[Gerard]

So, are you asking Ron to buy you a Pony, before you contribute your cash?

Or are you asking Ron to travel on horse back (possibly on a Pony) somewhere?

Maybe Ron could arrive on a Pony and speak with Mathie and Tanner, before making arrangements with them to deliver a Pony (he would obviously need to know when they would be at home for delivery purposes)?! After that he could come and speak to you directly about a Pony.

I would be concerned about giving a Pony to an imposter though, as I rather like animals.

Thinking outside the box here, maybe a bonus scheme could be implemented and players could earn a Pony? Maybe that could replace actual cash as the mane motivator.

Then each player would be a 'Pony Up', which would align more specifically with the thrust of your proposal.

Mr Gordon has and will contribute money to keep Hibs competitive. HS has been a very generous source of funds for Hibs . I think it is time for the club to look at a method of funds directly donating to the club. Mr Gordon has made it clear that he is the driving force behind Hibs as he is the major share holder. In the short term HS is providing useful money to our club at a time when the club’s income is greatly reduced. If the club is able to manage a method of fan donation that can have some benefits that allows the club to be free from punitive tax , I will probably support it.

[matty_f]

Mr Gordon has and will contribute money to keep Hibs competitive. HS has been a very generous source of funds for Hibs . I think it is time for the club to look at a method of funds directly donating to the club. Mr Gordon has made it clear that he is the driving force behind Hibs as he is the major share holder. In the short term HS is providing useful money to our club at a time when the club’s income is greatly reduced. If the club is able to manage a method of fan donation that can have some benefits that allows the club to be free from punitive tax , I will probably support it.

HSL's money goes (AFAIK) tax free to the club. While it's not direct, it's as near as dammit to the point where it really doesn't make much of a difference.

If there's already a method of doing it, why create another?

[DanishJohn]

HSL's money goes (AFAIK) tax free to the club. While it's not direct, it's as near as dammit to the point where it really doesn't make much of a difference.

If there's already a method of doing it, why create another?

Bang on.

[Gerard]

HSL's money goes (AFAIK) tax free to the club. While it's not direct, it's as near as dammit to the point where it really doesn't make much of a difference.

If there's already a method of doing it, why create another?

HSL has a legal obligation to use the money its receives from donations to buy shares. This is not possible at the moment and the donation of money to HFC as I understand it is a temporary one. For this situation to continue it requires a chage to the articles of HSL. The share holders of HSL I am sure will discuss this issue ASAP.

I would like to see HSL being able to assist HFC in a way that is beneficial to both companies. IMO I am happy to continue donating money to Hibs FC.:wink: as it is a good system of HFC geeting funds. I am also open to anyother system that may be better :wink:

[Frazerbob]

So if, as being reported, we’ve turned down nearly £4.5m in transfer fees, does this put to bed any doubt over *‘Ron the Con’s’ motives?

*apologies for the Jamboesq reference to Mr Gordon.

[Lancs Harp]

I think it does reflect a sea change. Resisting a £3 million bid for one of our players we paid only a tenth of just a few months earlier. I think in the past we would have grabbed the cash, especially in the context of the current social climate who really could have blamed the Club? I think its a big well done to the Club and its management. The players will probably move on in the next window but I think a message of intent has been delivered.

Kev and Porto need to get their heads down now and work hard, they will get their moves, most likely in the summer but if they play their cards right their value will increase and better clubs than Birmingham City and Millwall will come knocking. A win win situation for both the players and Hibernian FC.

[Frazerbob]

I was going to donate my £25 match fee to HSL, on top of my £30 per month subscription following their appeal, but I think i'll keep my hand in my pocket until Ron Gordon puts his hand in his and furnishes the squad with a couple of players.

Maybe that imposter Tanner will ask Mathie about the paucity of the squad at halftime, but I'll not hold my breath?

Thoughts on Ron ponying up now and the state of the squad?

[The Spaceman]

Ron is really fleecing us now. Invested more than any other club outside the OF in new players (and very good players at that), overhauling the club behind the scenes into a truly professional outfit inside and out, oh and getting one of the brightest prospects we’ve seen in a long time tied down on a 5 year deal. If we get third and guaranteed European Group Stage football until Christmas I might organise a protest.

[superfurryhibby]

Thoughts on Ron ponying up now and the state of the squad?

Scotty only posts when we're losing, posts when we're losing......

The disappearing act makes me question these kind of posters HIbs credentials.

[HFC93]

Thoughts on Ron ponying up now and the state of the squad?

I suspect you won't hear from him until we lose another game. A recurring theme with some posters on here.

[Unseen work]

Magennis - Fee and long term deal
Cadden - Fee and long term deal
Nisbet - Fee and long term deal
McGinn - Fee and extension of contract
Irvine - Ambitious signing with big wages
Boyle - Contract extension
Doig - long term deal
Newell - contract extension

Yeah he doesn’t do or spend much....

[Heisenberg]

Magennis - Fee and long term deal
Cadden - Fee and long term deal
Nisbet - Fee and long term deal
McGinn - Fee and extension of contract
Irvine - Ambitious signing with big wages
Boyle - Contract extension
Doig - long term deal
Newell - contract extension

Yeah he doesn’t do or spend much....

That’s all without mentioning we knocked back £3m+ in transfer offers for two of our players in January as well. Ron has more than shown what he’s all about with regards to the football side of it since he arrived.

[calumhibee1]

Magennis - Fee and long term deal
Cadden - Fee and long term deal
Nisbet - Fee and long term deal
McGinn - Fee and extension of contract
Irvine - Ambitious signing with big wages
Boyle - Contract extension
Doig - long term deal
Newell - contract extension

Yeah he doesn’t do or spend much....

:agree:

[Keith_M]

Well this thread aged well.


:greengrin

[Hibernian Verse]

He hasn't posted since 27/1/21, which was the last time we lost a game.

Shame.

[ian cruise]

I think it's a good question to return to, not whether Scott is putting more money in now, but if the fans are beginning to feel comfortable with the new regime, is the plan for progress clear to the fans and are they feeling confident in the overall set up.

This season has been a roller-coaster, with some poor results against rivals overshadowing a good league (and arguably cup) run. We've had people bemoaning the standard or player and gaps in the squad as well as praising the recruitment team.

Personally I think we're progressing well. We're buying the right players and if they're not available we're not just buying any one to fill the gap, it appears Aberdeen are doing the opposite. It's leaving us with a small squad granted but there is quality throughout.

It appears the changes behind the scenes are beginning to come together too. I'd like a little more of the personality of the squad to be highlighted, Hibs TV was great at that when we had Fontaine, Cummings, McGinn, etc and I'm sure there are things they could engage the current squad in via Hibs TV and social media to help cement the connection with the fans. Admittedly it's difficult with covid restrictions.


I'll not get in to calling out posters who may or may not have been trolling but I do understand why some were sceptical when we were bought over by someone with no immediate connection to the club, it's very natural.

There's also the part of being a football fan where we forget that clubs need to be run as a business so when we're asked to pay more, when many put a substantial part of their take home wage in to the club it can irk as they take it personally, when it's probably aimed at those who could arguably put more in (honestly, I probably fall in to that category).

[SHODAN]

Consider the up ponied.

[Keith_M]

He hasn't posted since 27/1/21, which was the last time we lost a game.

Shame.


I'm sure we'll hear from him the next time we lose.

[Crunchie]

[QUOTE=Unseen work;6477540]Magennis - Fee and long term deal
Cadden - Fee and long term deal
Nisbet - Fee and long term deal
McGinn - Fee and extension of contract
Irvine - Ambitious signing with big wages
Boyle - Contract extension
Doig - long term deal
Newell - contract extension

That would make very impressive reading at any time, in the current climate it's pretty exceptional. No one can accuse him of not investing in the team that's for sure. :not worth

[BroxburnHibee]

Magennis - Fee and long term deal
Cadden - Fee and long term deal
Nisbet - Fee and long term deal
McGinn - Fee and extension of contract
Irvine - Ambitious signing with big wages
Boyle - Contract extension
Doig - long term deal
Newell - contract extension

Yeah he doesn’t do or spend much....

Yeah but apart from that - What has Ron the Con really done for us.............

[Glass half full]

Murphy will be on a decent contract too.

It's the strength of our bench that is showing the investment.

[Mikey]

I'm sure we'll hear from him the next time we lose.

There are a few people who have gone AWOL in the last month or so. I do hope they're ok.

[Pagan Hibernia]

Yes, well done Ron. He has more than matched my expectations when he took over.

and well done to HSL members too, who continue to invest their hard earned month after month.

[BroxburnHibee]

There are a few people who have gone AWOL in the last month or so. I do hope they're ok.

I'm sure they're all just busy :rolleyes:

[mutley]

Yeah but apart from that - What has Ron the Con really done for us.............


....The Viaduct?

[Viva_Palmeiras]

In all seriousness, it's a decent initiative by HSL but the club don't seem that bothered in backing it, there's nothing on the official website, unless i've missed it?

I was giving up for lent but if I wasn’t I’d ask the club did respond to this initiative (which iirc hadn’t been communicated to the club in advance? And and advertised on Hibs Tv.

What more are you after?

and as for ponying up I presume you’ll now be doing so for the lengthy list of reasons already outlined.

it easy on an Internet forum to “lob a grenade” in the heat of the moment or otherwise.

the more challenging thing can be to come back and reflect. So penny for your thoughts...

[Viva_Palmeiras]

He hasn't posted since 27/1/21, which was the last time we lost a game.

Shame.

Well well well. People can draw their own conclusions. Sad really.

[04Sauzee]

....The Viaduct?

Sanitation?

[blackpoolhibs]

Yes, well done Ron. He has more than matched my expectations when he took over.

and well done to HSL members too, who continue to invest their hard earned month after month.

Ron has put his money where his mouth is, we've brought in some very good players and built a very good SQUAD on what i'd imagine is very good wages, all the way through the worst time ever with this pandemic.

I've no idea how long this will continue, or if he will want it back at any stage, but he's certainly ponying up, and i dont think that phrase can be used anymore to slate the man now. :top marks

[Northernhibee]

Aberdeen and Hearts (and even Celtic) show what happens if we don't spend money wisely or indeed work on our regular income sources too. All three have spent money on marquee signings, big wages and really chased their ambitions through just spending more than they should have.

If we're still going to watch the pennies where required but invest it wisely, responsibly and secure our best young talents for the future so we maximise the income we get from them, then that will put us in a much better position.

It won't be instant success but it will hopefully be sustainable success. Third this season would in itself be a phenomenal achievement considering how bad we were when Lennon left the club (and then got his replacement wrong).

[bod]

Yes, well done Ron. He has more than matched my expectations when he took over.

and well done to HSL members too, who continue to invest their hard earned month after month.

& the more that join the merrier

[WhileTheChief..]

What sort of deal did we do with Cadden?

I thought he was with us to the end of the season. What did I miss?

[04Sauzee]

What sort of deal did we do with Cadden?

I thought he was with us to the end of the season. What did I miss?

He signed a 2.5 year deal.
Think it's only Rocky, Macey and Irvine that are out of contract at the end if the season?

[Billy Whizz]

He signed a 2.5 year deal.
Think it's only Rocky, Macey and Irvine that are out of contract at the end if the season?

And Dabrowski

[matty_f]

He hasn't posted since 27/1/21, which was the last time we lost a game.

Shame.

I'm sure Scotty actually replied to this thread to acknowledge the level of ponying up, to be fair to him, and I don't think it's fair at all to question is Hibby credentials (not your post).

I think I'm right in saying Scotty stood for fans' rep when Kieran was elected, so he's definitely a passionate Hibby, whether you agree with him or not.



Edit-my mistake, Scotty did reply to the thread but it was to call me an arse-licker, but although I was wrong about him coming back, I think the rest of my post is still right.

[04Sauzee]

And Dabrowski

Didn't realise he was out of contract as well Billy sorry.

[Billy Whizz]

Didn't realise he was out of contract as well Billy sorry.

Kevin needs to go and play somewhere as 1st choice
He’s too good to be sitting in the bench now

[04Sauzee]

Kevin needs to go and play somewhere as 1st choice
He’s too good to be sitting in the bench now

Haven't seen him much, i did see him play celtic it a friendly beginning of the season and looked very good, also know the Cowdenbeath fans and dumbarton fans rated him highly.

[Borderhibbie76]

Magennis - Fee and long term deal
Cadden - Fee and long term deal
Nisbet - Fee and long term deal
McGinn - Fee and extension of contract
Irvine - Ambitious signing with big wages
Boyle - Contract extension
Doig - long term deal
Newell - contract extension

Yeah he doesn’t do or spend much....

Ron the Con indeed

[Since452]

He's delivering so far

[worcesterhibby]

I'm sure Scotty actually replied to this thread to acknowledge the level of ponying up, to be fair to him, and I don't think it's fair at all to question is Hibby credentials (not your post).

I think I'm right in saying Scotty stood for fans' rep when Kieran was elected, so he's definitely a passionate Hibby, whether you agree with him or not.



Edit-my mistake, Scotty did reply to the thread but it was to call me an arse-licker, but although I was wrong about him coming back, I think the rest of my post is still right.

I'm sure he is a Hibby in the sense that nobody should be suggesting he actually follows another team. But the fact that he doesn't seem to be too interested when there isn't something to moan about, perhaps suggests "supporter" is rather a misnomer. There does seem to be a significant minority of "Hibbys" on here and on facebook and twitter who enjoy slagging off the players and the club far more than they enjoy us winning or the club doing good business. Does my head in. (to be fair I have never met "Scotty" and know nothing about him so I may be being very unfair on him as an individual, my point stands about the negative minority in principal though)

[Hibernian Verse]

I'm sure Scotty actually replied to this thread to acknowledge the level of ponying up, to be fair to him, and I don't think it's fair at all to question is Hibby credentials (not your post).

I think I'm right in saying Scotty stood for fans' rep when Kieran was elected, so he's definitely a passionate Hibby, whether you agree with him or not.



Edit-my mistake, Scotty did reply to the thread but it was to call me an arse-licker, but although I was wrong about him coming back, I think the rest of my post is still right.I just checked the last posts and it said 27th. I'm not questioning anyones Hibbyness, but it's odd when people go missing during the good times.

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[Since452]

Wait until Ron experiences packed Easter Road under the lights in Europe. He's in for a treat.

[Iggy Pope]

I'm sure Scotty actually replied to this thread to acknowledge the level of ponying up, to be fair to him, and I don't think it's fair at all to question is Hibby credentials (not your post).

I think I'm right in saying Scotty stood for fans' rep when Kieran was elected, so he's definitely a passionate Hibby, whether you agree with him or not.



Edit-my mistake, Scotty did reply to the thread but it was to call me an arse-licker, but although I was wrong about him coming back, I think the rest of my post is still right.

:greengrin

[Billy Whizz]

It will be interesting to see the accounts up to June 2021, with wages etc
Hibs cut an enormous amount of full/part time staff just after Covid
Has this all been reinvested into the 1st team squad?
They always say you never shrink your way to success, maybe this will prove otherwise

[loanheadhibby]

A bit of a sanctimonious feel to this thread. The OP is perfectly entitled to his opinion. That’s the beauty of a forum. Or are we only allowed to post positive thoughts now?

[flash]

A bit of a sanctimonious feel to this thread. The OP is perfectly entitled to his opinion. That’s the beauty of a forum. Or are we only allowed to post positive thoughts now?

And other people are entitled to point out that he was spectacularly wrong.

[sleeping giant]

I'm sure Scotty actually replied to this thread to acknowledge the level of ponying up, to be fair to him, and I don't think it's fair at all to question is Hibby credentials (not your post).

I think I'm right in saying Scotty stood for fans' rep when Kieran was elected, so he's definitely a passionate Hibby, whether you agree with him or not.



Edit-my mistake, Scotty did reply to the thread but it was to call me an arse-licker, but although I was wrong about him coming back, I think the rest of my post is still right.

:faf:

[flash]

I'm sure Scotty actually replied to this thread to acknowledge the level of ponying up, to be fair to him, and I don't think it's fair at all to question is Hibby credentials (not your post).

I think I'm right in saying Scotty stood for fans' rep when Kieran was elected, so he's definitely a passionate Hibby, whether you agree with him or not.



Edit-my mistake, Scotty did reply to the thread but it was to call me an arse-licker, but although I was wrong about him coming back, I think the rest of my post is still right.

Best edit ever.:thumbsup:

[04Sauzee]

I'm sure Scotty actually replied to this thread to acknowledge the level of ponying up, to be fair to him, and I don't think it's fair at all to question is Hibby credentials (not your post).

I think I'm right in saying Scotty stood for fans' rep when Kieran was elected, so he's definitely a passionate Hibby, whether you agree with him or not.



Edit-my mistake, Scotty did reply to the thread but it was to call me an arse-licker, but although I was wrong about him coming back, I think the rest of my post is still right.


Brilliant edit 🤣🤣🤣

[HFC93]

A bit of a sanctimonious feel to this thread. The OP is perfectly entitled to his opinion. That’s the beauty of a forum. Or are we only allowed to post positive thoughts now?

Of course they but so are the posters responding the OP's thread looking for an update.

[007]

I'm sure Scotty actually replied to this thread to acknowledge the level of ponying up, to be fair to him, and I don't think it's fair at all to question is Hibby credentials (not your post).

I think I'm right in saying Scotty stood for fans' rep when Kieran was elected, so he's definitely a passionate Hibby, whether you agree with him or not.



Edit-my mistake, Scotty did reply to the thread but it was to call me an arse-licker, but although I was wrong about him coming back, I think the rest of my post is still right.

😂 As others have said, best edit ever.

[Baldy Foghorn]

OP goes to the majority of matches, and as Matty has said, he stood for fans rep.

People doubting his credentials is a bit silly, he posted what he felt was right at that time. Maybe he has been busy or even down, who knows:confused:

[matty_f]

OP goes to the majority of matches, and as Matty has said, he stood for fans rep.

People doubting his credentials is a bit silly, he posted what he felt was right at that time. Maybe he has been busy or even down, who knows:confused:

:agree: Hibs through and through.

[hibbysam]

I'm sure Scotty actually replied to this thread to acknowledge the level of ponying up, to be fair to him, and I don't think it's fair at all to question is Hibby credentials (not your post).

I think I'm right in saying Scotty stood for fans' rep when Kieran was elected, so he's definitely a passionate Hibby, whether you agree with him or not.



Edit-my mistake, Scotty did reply to the thread but it was to call me an arse-licker, but although I was wrong about him coming back, I think the rest of my post is still right.

That edit has made my night 😂

[Baldy Foghorn]

:agree: Hibs through and through.

Gives HC a run for his money in terms of moaning though

[Billy Whizz]

Gives HC a run for his money in terms of moaning though

I can’t think who he is BF

[FilipinoHibs]

Thank God we have Ron to guide us through this crisis. Excited about the club once life gets back to normal.

[loanheadhibby]

And other people are entitled to point out that he was spectacularly wrong.

Absolutely agree but a lot of people jumping on the bandwagon and having a go. The guy made what he thought was a valid point. Just seems a bit like the net clique having a pop.

[DaveF]

Edit-my mistake, Scotty did reply to the thread but it was to call me an arse-licker.....

Well, he gets my vote if he's standing again 😂

[DaveF]

Absolutely agree but a lot of people jumping on the bandwagon and having a go. The guy made what he thought was a valid point. Just seems a bit like the net clique having a pop.

Congrats, I've not seen the old clique line used in a while.

Just so I get this right, if some people agree with the OP it's not a clique but if some point out he's wrong and you don't like it, then it is a clique?

[Hibbyradge]

Well, he gets my vote if he's standing again 😂

:agree: What he lacks in tact he more than makes up for in accuracy.

[matty_f]

Well, he gets my vote if he's standing again 😂

I voted for him last time and I’ll do it again!

[matty_f]

:agree: What he lacks in tact he more than makes up for in accuracy.

:faf:

[Iggy Pope]

I voted for him last time and I’ll do it again!

Arse licker.

[PatHead]

I'm sure Scotty actually replied to this thread to acknowledge the level of ponying up, to be fair to him, and I don't think it's fair at all to question is Hibby credentials (not your post).

I think I'm right in saying Scotty stood for fans' rep when Kieran was elected, so he's definitely a passionate Hibby, whether you agree with him or not.



Edit-my mistake, Scotty did reply to the thread but it was to call me an arse-licker, but although I was wrong about him coming back, I think the rest of my post is still right.

Obviously knows you well. I might have not been so reserved! 😁

[jacomo]

It will be interesting to see the accounts up to June 2021, with wages etc
Hibs cut an enormous amount of full/part time staff just after Covid
Has this all been reinvested into the 1st team squad?
They always say you never shrink your way to success, maybe this will prove otherwise


I don’t work in football but I do work in large scale live events.

The truth is that loads of jobs just ceased to exist last year. From the frontline to management, it’s been brutal.

Hibs maintaining anything like a similar player budget is a huge achievement, never mind ‘savings’ made by letting people go.

The club hasn’t saved money by letting people go. The money to pay those wages simply went.

[hibee-boys]

I think it’s pretty clear that Ron has adopted the speculate to accumulate method, and, it must just pay dividends if we secure 3rd. He’s certainly won me over, not that I was one of the conspiracy theorists when he first came on board. I’ll be ponying up as soon as seasons go on sale, probably get my girls their first seasons next year as well👍

[loanheadhibby]

Congrats, I've not seen the old clique line used in a while.

Just so I get this right, if some people agree with the OP it's not a clique but if some point out he's wrong and you don't like it, then it is a clique?

I’ve never said I agree or disagree with opening poster. You’re another tho making assumptions. The guy made what he thought was a valid point and this afternoon there was a pile on.

I don’t know the guy from Adam but all this he’s not posted since jan etc, I must be a yam, he’ll be back after next defeat is a bit churlish.

[BroxburnHibee]

I’ve never said I agree or disagree with opening poster. You’re another tho making assumptions. The guy made what he thought was a valid point and this afternoon there was a pile on.

I don’t know the guy from Adam but all this he’s not posted since jan etc, I must be a yam, he’ll be back after next defeat is a bit churlish.

There was no pile on. I think its perfectly fair that the guys/girls who make a lot of negative points are then called out on it when they conveniently disappear when there's not much to moan about.

[matty_f]

Arse licker.

:greengrin

[DaveF]

I’ve never said I agree or disagree with opening poster. You’re another tho making assumptions. The guy made what he thought was a valid point and this afternoon there was a pile on.

I don’t know the guy from Adam but all this he’s not posted since jan etc, I must be a yam, he’ll be back after next defeat is a bit churlish.

Fair enough. So what makes it a clique?

[DetroitHibs]

Huge credit to Ron. There’s no chance under Petrie and Farmer we’d have made these kind of investments in the squad.

[matty_f]

Obviously knows you well. I might have not been so reserved! 😁

:greengrin

[.Sean.]

Wait until Ron experiences packed Easter Road under the lights in Europe. He's in for a treat.
:agree:

Met him twice BTG and quite liked him. He’s certainly no shyster and we’re only going in one direction under him IMO. Full of good intentions

[.Sean.]

I voted for him last time and I’ll do it again!
He’s no gonny **** you mate

What a 2/3 pages, vintage .net 😂😂

[matty_f]

He’s no gonny **** you mate

What a 2/3 pages, vintage .net 😂😂

That’s what you think.

[Viva_Palmeiras]

Haven't seen him much, i did see him play celtic it a friendly beginning of the season and looked very good, also know the Cowdenbeath fans and dumbarton fans rated him highly.

Why is it that we don’t seem able to produce our own keepers?

Is this similar to other clubs of our sis & stature ?

Or is it just Hearts that seem to produce a fair few over the years)

What are they doing that we’re noe

[hibbysam]

Why is it that we don’t seem able to produce our own keepers?

Is this similar to other clubs of our sis & stature ?

Or is it just Hearts that seem to produce a fair few over the years)

What are they doing that we’re noe

Who do they produce? Gordon about 20 years ago, since then? Jamie McDonald, steady if unspectacular, not being arsey just can’t think of any.

[Viva_Palmeiras]

Who do they produce? Gordon about 20 years ago, since then? Jamie McDonald, steady if unspectacular, not being arsey just can’t think of any.

Hamilton
Isn’t McLauchlin one of theirs (the dude now in the Scotland setup)

I guess it’s maybe more about - why don’t we produce keepers that get a run in the first team whilst others do?

[SChibs]

Hamilton
Isn’t McLauchlin one of theirs (the dude now in the Scotland setup)

I guess it’s maybe more about - why don’t we produce keepers that get a run in the first team whilst others do?

Hamilton is no better the McNeil was for us. You could say Ridgers too but hes also a lower league keeper now. McLaughlin was 31 when he joined Hearts.

[hibee316]

Hamilton
Isn’t McLauchlin one of theirs (the dude now in the Scotland setup)

I guess it’s maybe more about - why don’t we produce keepers that get a run in the first team whilst others do?

Hearts fans often complain that they can't produce a striker and we can.
I don't think there is rhyme or reason to it.
But maybe Hibs youth coaches have a better eye for attacking players and how they might develop?

[hibbysam]

Hamilton
Isn’t McLauchlin one of theirs (the dude now in the Scotland setup)

I guess it’s maybe more about - why don’t we produce keepers that get a run in the first team whilst others do?

Hamilton and Ridgers but both are lower league. If we’re talking who teams produce and being almost jealous of that, they need to be playing at a similar or higher level than ourselves, otherwise we’d be talking every single player that comes through our academy.

[Viva_Palmeiras]

Hamilton is no better the McNeil was for us. You could say Ridgers too but hes also a lower league keeper now. McLaughlin was 31 when he joined Hearts.

I was Mibbie thinking of something else and getting them confused (easily done for me!) Maybe just a false impression - interesting to see that some of the Jambos look on to our developing forwards.

[Scotty Leither]

Thoughts on Ron ponying up now and the state of the squad?

Wow...I've just had a look on here and missed all this...

Did you want me to PM you with my thoughts or stick them on here?

Seriously though, it appears your "look at me" post has won you some new best friends on this forum.

Which is nice.

[lord bunberry]

Wow...I've just had a look on here and missed all this...

Did you want me to PM you with my thoughts or stick them on here?

Seriously though, it appears your "look at me" post has won you some new best friends on this forum.

Which is nice.
Oh look you’re back when we’re losing. Thank **** you didn’t win the vote for the fans rep.

[Scotty Leither]

Oh look you’re back when we’re losing. Thank **** you didn’t win the vote for the fans rep.

Nothing to do with the fact we're losing, pal...Just the right to reply and all that. If that's alright with you of course?

[chrisski33]

It is quite ironic youve posted when we are losing lol

[Hibernian Verse]

It is quite ironic youve posted when we are losing lolNothing ironic about it.

Sent from my SM-G973F using Tapatalk

[Hibbyradge]

He’s no gonny **** you mate

What a 2/3 pages, vintage .net 😂😂

lol he's going to pump him.

[Frazerbob]

Wow...I've just had a look on here and missed all this...

Did you want me to PM you with my thoughts or stick them on here?

Seriously though, it appears your "look at me" post has won you some new best friends on this forum.

Which is nice.

Hahahaha welcome back. Now, let’s chat about ‘look at me posts’ 🤣

[hibbysam]

Wow...I've just had a look on here and missed all this...

Did you want me to PM you with my thoughts or stick them on here?

Seriously though, it appears your "look at me" post has won you some new best friends on this forum.

Which is nice.

‘Just had a look’ conveniently after losing again 😂 quality.

[CropleyWasGod]

lol he's going to pump him.

Source?