Stevenson and Hanlon

[Dashing Bob S]

Not their fault but time has surely caught up with our cup final heroes. It’s sad to see them being ripped apart by players they’d have had in their pockets a couple of years ago. End this cruelest of blood sports now please, Jack Ross.

[Allant1981]

Not their fault but time has surely caught up with our cup final heroes. It’s sad to see them being ripped apart by players they’d have had in their pockets a couple of years ago. End this cruelest of blood sports now please, Jack Ross.

The annoying thing with the goals today is that they were very preventable, Stevenson should have been switched on for the first, someone with his experience should have been more aware, nothing he can do about his pace now but he should have know to either step back a wee bit or play him offside

[MWHIBBIES]

Hanlon been excellent this season and most of last. Definitely not finished. Just had 2 poor matches.

[Hermit Crab]

Hanlon been excellent this season and most of last. Definitely not finished. Just had 2 poor matches.

Celtic at home, cost us the equaliser, cost us the goal at Ibrox, completely shown up on Wednesday too. hardly 2 poor matches. Stood and watched the 2nd today the less said about the third the better. He's done.

[truehibernian]

They've had their time, they've had they're moments, terrific servants and good players - but time to rebuild and move them on. No place for sentiment in football and Paul, Lewy, Daz and SDG need to leave and some new, brighter talent brought in next season. Sad, but that is the evolution of football sides.

[pedroorange1875]

Hanlon been excellent this season and most of last. Definitely not finished. Just had 2 poor matches.

Thats not a serious post is it?

[pedroorange1875]

Celtic at home, cost us the equaliser, cost us the goal at Ibrox, completely shown up on Wednesday too. hardly 2 poor matches. Stood and watched the 2nd today the less said about the third the better. He's done.

Yip, been done before this season

[easty]

Celtic at home, cost us the equaliser, cost us the goal at Ibrox, completely shown up on Wednesday too. hardly 2 poor matches. Stood and watched the 2nd today the less said about the third the better. He's done.

He’s far from done. You’ll still be saying this in a couple of years, when he’s still playing every week.

[Brightside]

Thats not a serious post is it?

It’s correct. No idea how someone is blaming him for the 2nd. He’s standing on the line and he still got closer to the guy taking the shot than anyone else! 3rd one he 100% should do better after Porto makes a stupid decision and let’s the ball bounce. Basic stuff.

[The Modfather]

Hanlon was poor last season, collectively and individually. He’s been mainly good this season, but poor the last two games. Sadly, like Boyle, we have players we can’t take out of the team no matter how much their form dips as there’s no realistic viable alternatives.

[Hermit Crab]

It’s correct. No idea how someone is blaming him for the 2nd. He’s standing on the line and he still got closer to the guy taking the shot than anyone else! 3rd one he 100% should do better after Porto makes a stupid decision and let’s the ball bounce. Basic stuff.


Both him and Gogic failed to react first to the loose ball before the Livingston player. Both just watching.

[NC1875]

He’s far from done. You’ll still be saying this in a couple of years, when he’s still playing every week.

And you’ll still moan when we get beat off the likes of Ross county and Livingston.

Then come on here and defend him.

Brilliant

[LeithMike]

Hanlon been excellent this season and most of last. Definitely not finished. Just had 2 poor matches.Agreed. He's early thirties and got plenty time left. Some of the criticism is way off and needs to take into account the other failings in the team. Given proper protection and a more stable partner then Paul still has a lot to offer Hibs. He appears to be a quiet lad though and concentrates on his own game and if Hibs want to bring on Porteous then we need someone to help settle him down.

Cant help but feel both would benefit from playing in a 3 with an exerienced sweeper in between.

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[MWHIBBIES]

Celtic at home, cost us the equaliser, cost us the goal at Ibrox, completely shown up on Wednesday too. hardly 2 poor matches. Stood and watched the 2nd today the less said about the third the better. He's done.

Ah okay. So 2 bad games and a couple other mistakes. You won't get better for Hibs over 22 games.

Honestly, you were quiet as a mouse when our defence was excellent up to a few weeks ago.

[MWHIBBIES]

Thats not a serious post is it?

Deadly serious. It's the truth.

[Weegreenman]

I’m so glad we all didn’t have to go to the game today. I can just imagine how loud the booing would have been at the end.
It’s been a decent season thus far with everyone thinking there’s a chance of third spot but in typical Hibs fashion we go and blow it big time! Absolute coupon buster thosr last two games.

[flash]

Lewis Stevenson is about to hit 500 games for the club and still looks terrified whenever the going gets tough.
It's like every game is his debut.

[Victor]

The problem with Hanlon is that he has no competition for his position. He must be aware that even when he performs badly he will start the next game regardless. McGregor sits on the bench, but he is past a start, unless there are injuries. I think letting Jackson go was a poor decision and it may be worthwhile investing in a journeyman centre back, just to put some pressure on Hanlon and Porteous’ automatic picks.


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[Zambernardi1875]

Ah okay. So 2 bad games and a couple other mistakes. You won't get better for Hibs over 22 games.

Honestly, you were quiet as a mouse when our defence was excellent up to a few weeks ago.

what other teams would they play for?

[HIBERNIAN-0762]

Celtic at home, cost us the equaliser, cost us the goal at Ibrox, completely shown up on Wednesday too. hardly 2 poor matches. Stood and watched the 2nd today the less said about the third the better. He's d
one.

This 100% needs replacing soon.

[MWHIBBIES]

what other teams would they play for?

Hanlon on this seasons form walks into all sides below us.

Lewis is probably a sub here now. I never actually mentioned him.

[Hiber-nation]

Hanlon is miles better when we play 3 at the back. But I feel he should be dragging us through these games. He was abysmal today and the same the other night. He really should be kicking Ryan's arse as well. Not a captain.

[pedroorange1875]

Deadly serious. It's the truth.

Its not 2 bad games though is it, so not really the truth. Its this acceptance throughout the club the reason why over the years we have under achieved. However if you genuinely think its only been 2 bad games then fair enough we all have our views

[MWHIBBIES]

Its not 2 bad games though is it, so not really the truth. Its this acceptance throughout the club the reason why over the years we have under achieved. However if you genuinely think its only been 2 bad games then fair enough we all have our views

Lewis has actually significantly overachieved here. He is one of the most successful Hibs players ever. He is not responsible for any underachievement. Paul has won a trophy and finished top 4 twice. Reaching 3 other finals. No underachievement if you look at our history there.

Paul has only had 2 bad games. No one was calling for him to be binned last week. Well, one person was.

[Nicho87]

Ross might not be here long enough to make that decision.

[easty]

And you’ll still moan when we get beat off the likes of Ross county and Livingston.

Then come on here and defend him.

Brilliant

Correct

[Hiber-nation]

Very rarely do you see Lewis making an error like that. He's arguably our 3rd choice left back now as he has no pace and he's far too negative but I still maintain its a rarity.

[Zambernardi1875]

centre half at dundee looks good that fontaine boy

[Hermit Crab]

The fact is we got beat off a shopping centre today, comfortably at that and the two players in the thread title were responsibe for a goal each today. Its not good enough at this level. Jack Ross surely must see that.

[Max_Shah]

Ah Paul and Lewis,

They remind me of people I've encountered in every NHS Trust I've ever been part of. You know, they are “those guys,” dudes that have been there long term, have a nice little supervisory, or, even, lower management jobs. Seriously you all know the kind of guys I’m talking about, the ones that are quite literally part of the furniture and are coasting.

It’s not a bad thing as – Paul and Lewis are proper company men - however, the problem is, when the going gets tough, they do just enough to not get the boot, occasionally showing up on the odd occasion when things go a bit wrong or when there is kudos to be had.

They have upper management and the rank and file in their pocket but remain everyone's mate, the first for community endeavors, and, it is undeniable that they have the ability to shine when it matters to do just enough, but those days are now, I am sad to say, getting few and far between. Today being a great example. It is far too often we find ourselves soul-searching and wondering "what if?" only to say "**** it" or give in to the old pals act and jump on the roller-coaster again.

I do like/respect Paul and Lewis. They are genuinely nice guys but unfortunately that’s part of the problem. The old pals act should really should be coming to an end if we have any ambition to break into the top three.

Even when you get to the point whereby you can financially, sometimes even you may have the opportunity to, break free, force of habit is a son of a bitch, and keeps you onside for another season for fear of the Unknown or fear of radical change.

TL:DR: - Pissed off, feel something has to change but I'm not a football scout or a tactical whizz-kid like many posters. Hell that was the first game I was able to watch for a month [thanks NHS shifts]

[Jonnyboy]

The fact is we got beat off a shopping centre today, comfortably at that and the two players in the thread title were responsibe for a goal each today. Its not good enough at this level. Jack Ross surely must see that.

You absolving Porteous of any blame for the third goal?

[Hermit Crab]

You absolving Porteous of any blame for the third goal?


Nope, he's guilty too. Hanlon is supposed to be captain though, should have dealt with it.

[Stuart93]

Nope, he's guilty too. Hanlon is supposed to be captain though, should have dealt with it.

Both terrible for the goal. Unreal porteous allowed the ball to bounce.

****ing schoolboy defending all game

[Brightside]

Nope, he's guilty too. Hanlon is supposed to be captain though, should have dealt with it.

But that’s 100% an easy header for Porto. I’ve no issue people picking fault in Hanlons performance last 2 games but it’s nuts how often Porto errors seem to be ignored (or better still Hanlons fault!). The latest is that he and Forster!!! haven’t developed due to Hanlon not coaching them. That’s frankly absurd.

[hibee_girl]

Nope, he's guilty too. Hanlon is supposed to be captain though, should have dealt with it.

You know being captain doesn't give him superpowers? :greengrin

[Hermit Crab]

You know being captain doesn't give him superpowers? :greengrin


It gives I'm invincibility according to some on here, anyway, no it doesn't but he has to be able to take control of situations and make himself heard. He does none of that, he seen ports didn't deal with it, he should have hoofed it for a corner or a throw in.

[pedroorange1875]

But that’s 100% an easy header for Porto. I’ve no issue people picking fault in Hanlons performance last 2 games but it’s nuts how often Porto errors seem to be ignored (or better still Hanlons fault!). The latest is that he and Forster!!! haven’t developed due to Hanlon not coaching them. That’s frankly absurd.

Thats a nonsense statement that doesnt represent what i said but dont let that get in the way of the real problems at the back, clap on

[Coach Jon]

First Goal today- Hanlons man gets an assist, Stevensons man scores.
Second Goal- Hanlons man scores.
Third Goal- Hanlon and Porteous get turned inside out.
Not good enough.

[Hibs90]

Ross might not be here long enough to make that decision.

Hopefully not

[IAmLee]

Both him and Gogic failed to react first to the loose ball before the Livingston player. Both just watching.

I thought it was Porteous and Gogic for the second? That’s who was mentioned in commentary. And with the third it was inexcusable defending from both but Hanlon comes over to cover porteous when he let the ball bounce and I’m not convinced the pitch didn’t play a part in him not coming away with it. The ball stuck on the surface a few times for both sides today.

The Livi goals came from 2 long balls and a set piece, yet our forwards couldn't hold the ball up at all today, they should be under just as much scrutiny as Hanlon. We need at least another first team ready CH and Striker if we’re going to finish 3rd/4th and try to win this cup!!

[Hermit Crab]

First Goal today- Hanlons man gets an assist, Stevensons man scores.
Second Goal- Hanlons man scores.
Third Goal- Hanlon and Porteous get turned inside out.
Not good enough.


Thats what I said, he was standing watching and never reacted to the loose ball until it was too late.

[Pretty Boy]

I think Stevenson has been fairly fortunate throughout his career in that he hasn't had many (any?) moderate to severe injuries. The last couple of years has seen him pick up 2 or 3 and maybe time has just started to catch up with him a wee bit. I think Ross has realised it too as he was out of the side even when fit earlier in the year. Of course he regained his place but it suggests we are looking for a replacement, certainly as a starter.

Hanlon still has a part to play. I do think we need to bring in another CB. Him, Porteous and McGregor with McGinn as a makeshift isn't great strength in depth. I'd hope we are always looking to bring in better quality than we currently have and if Hanlon ends up out the side because of that then that it surely a good thing.

A bit of long term planning was arguably lacking when we failed to rebuild the defence over the last 2 or 3 seasons. Now is the time to really press ahead with that.

[pedroorange1875]

Thats what I said, he was standing watching and never reacted to the loose ball until it was too late.

Hagi, only a few days earlier, poor defender

[Hermit Crab]

Hagi, only a few days earlier, poor defender


Said that as well, Laxalt for Celtics equaliser from his piss poor clearance in stoppage time.

[Not In The Know]

Hanlon is miles better when we play 3 at the back. But I feel he should be dragging us through these games. He was abysmal today and the same the other night. He really should be kicking Ryan's arse as well. Not a captain.

Agreed. A central defender captain should be seen and heard.

I just feel he’s to passive.

tbh I’m maybe being a bit harsh but I’ve never really rated him, purely reasoned by he’s been heart of a defence which has in the main always been regarded as soft, can’t handle cross balls and loses last minute goals.

[MWHIBBIES]

Agreed. A central defender captain should be seen and heard.

I just feel he’s to passive.

tbh I’m maybe being a bit harsh but I’ve never really rated him, purely reasoned by he’s been heart of a defence which has in the main always been regarded as soft, can’t handle cross balls and loses last minute goals.
Or he's been the heart of a defence that gets promoted, wins a cup, goes 9 derbies unbeaten, finishes 4th twice and is currently 4th??

[pedroorange1875]

As someone said before that Hanlon would walk into any of the teams like livi and below us.. Thats exactly the problem...we are a lucky 4th and let him walk into the other teams. He wouldnt walk into the other teams above us and im not even sure he would walk into the Livi team... We need much better to be moving on beyond a poor Aberdeen team who just bore out results

[MWHIBBIES]

As someone said before that Hanlon would walk into any of the teams like livi and below us.. Thats exactly the problem...we are a lucky 4th and let him walk into the other teams. He wouldnt walk into the other teams above us and im not even sure he would walk into the Livi team... We need much better to be moving on beyond a poor Aberdeen team who just bore out results
In no world are we lucky to be 4th. We've been miles better over the season than the teams below us.

[pedroorange1875]

In no world are we lucky to be 4th. We've been miles better over the season than the teams below us.

Thats your 2nd silly post

[MWHIBBIES]

Thats your 2nd silly post

Table proves it mate. I'm talking in facts, not emotions after a rough week.

[supermcginn]

Or he's been the heart of a defence that gets promoted, wins a cup, goes 9 derbies unbeaten, finishes 4th twice and is currently 4th??

Are you saying a player for Hibernian football club getting promoted at the 3rd time of asking is something to be proud of? Jesus

[Key West]

The left hand side of the team has weakness written all over it, if Doig has to be eased in to the team and Murphy is going to miss a lot of matches then the problem needs to be addressed in the January window. It is obviously affecting the balance of the team all over the pitch.

[EI255]

Get rid of Ryan Porteous. How many mistakes can this guy get away with?

I'm sorry, but he is definitely 100% not a good defender.

I hope he is embarrassed watching tonight's "highlights".

Shambolic last few games. How many times pal?!!!!!!

*Hanlon too. Woeful. Just woeful. Get then both TF

[Hermit Crab]

Get rid of Ryan Porteous. How many mistakes can this guy get away with?

I'm sorry, but he is definitely 100% not a good defender.

I hope he is embarrassed watching tonight's "highlights".

Shambolic last few games. How many times pal?!!!!!!

*Hanlon too. Woeful. Just woeful. Get then both TF


Deadwood as they say, been poor for months now.

Ryan luckily has time and age on his side to improve, I don't think playing alongside Hanlon is helping his development though.

[1875Sean]

Porteous was defo the worse centre back out of the two but he seems to get a free pass on here, need another centre half in ASAP as I don’t think the players are worried about competition for places

[Hibernian Verse]

Deadwood as they say, been poor for months now.

Ryan luckily has time and age on his side to improve, I don't think playing alongside Hanlon is helping his development though.You're endless. Take a day off.

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[Stantons Angel]

Lewis Stevenson is about to hit 500 games for the club and still looks terrified whenever the going gets tough.
It's like every game is his debut.

it was his 500th appearance in the green and white jersey of Hibs today.

He isnt the type of player who lets you down at all and that is why he takes all the blame from the keyboard warriors on here.

Yes its disappointing we were beaten again today but we are still 4th in the league with a lot to play for. You are all supposed to be Hibs supporters and yet i come on here reading nothing but abuse aimed at players trying to do their jobs in very exceptional times. Give them a break, you are not doing their confidence any good at all.

Hibs always seem to slip away each December around Christmas time and now is no different. Somehow i am glad that we are not allowed in to see them otherwise the abuse would start before the kick off!!

I dont like the manner we have seen them be beaten in so lets try and put this into perspective and stay with them. We need to give them support when they need us and that is now. So put those knives away and stand with them. They are Hibs and they need us NOW. lets keep the faith!!!!

[Hermit Crab]

it was his 500th appearance in the green and white jersey of Hibs today.

He isnt the type of player who lets you down at all and that is why he takes all the blame from the keyboard warriors on here.

Yes its disappointing we were beaten again today but we are still 4th in the league with a lot to play for. You are all supposed to be Hibs supporters and yet i come on here reading nothing but abuse aimed at players trying to do their jobs in very exceptional times. Give them a break, you are not doing their confidence any good at all.

Hibs always seem to slip away each December around Christmas time and now is no different. Somehow i am glad that we are not allowed in to see them otherwise the abuse would start before the kick off!!

I dont like the manner we have seen them be beaten in so lets try and put this into perspective and stay with them. We need to give them support when they need us and that is now. So put those knives away and stand with them. They are Hibs and they need us NOW. lets keep the faith!!!!


At least 3 times a season you come out with this rallying call and it always centres around Stevenson and Hanlon when we are having a poor spell and nothing changes, eat, sleep repeat. Every season we go through this for some reason. I know you love the lads and thats fair enough but surely you must be able to see that time is nearly up for them?

[NC1875]

Or he's been the heart of a defence that gets promoted, wins a cup, goes 9 derbies unbeaten, finishes 4th twice and is currently 4th??

To get promoted, he was part of a defence that was relegated (albeit injured towards the end)

Wins 9 derbies ? How many has he lost ?

Finishes 4th playing for a team with the 4th biggest budget ? Part of the problem. Players and some fans see 4th as some sort of achievement

The guys just not very good. Part of a bang average soft Hibs side for a decade now. They are part of the problem. Him and Stevenson

[Heedersnvolleys]

Deadwood as they say, been poor for months now.

Ryan luckily has time and age on his side to improve, I don't think playing alongside Hanlon is helping his development though.
We said that about Hanlon

[pedroorange1875]

Table proves it mate. I'm talking in facts, not emotions after a rough week.

Deary me as, we slip into 5th....then what? we should have definitely got rid of Marvin because he is nowhere near the standard of Gogic??... i know.. it was a great change...
wow

[basehibby]

Not their fault but time has surely caught up with our cup final heroes. It’s sad to see them being ripped apart by players they’d have had in their pockets a couple of years ago. End this cruelest of blood sports now please, Jack Ross.

Hanlon has been our mainstay at CB along with Porteous this season and I think there is a good blend of youth and experience there for now - will it last for another season? I don't know but OK for now - when does Hanlon's contract end anyway?

Lewis has seen the youngsters start to finally push through at left back and it's been good to have him as an experienced option to counter the inevitable inconsistency of the young lads, but on yesterday's evidence I don't think another contract extension would be a good idea - sadly. I'm aware of the senior/back up kind of extension given to Gray and McGregor but if I'm honest, I doubt the wisdom of this kind of contract when money is tight and you want every wage contributing on the pitch. Like these guys, Lewis will always be a legend at ER though :thumbsup:

[basehibby]

Porteous was defo the worse centre back out of the two but he seems to get a free pass on here, need another centre half in ASAP as I don’t think the players are worried about competition for places

This for sure and the same goes for the striker department. Consistency of selection is a good thing - until players just tire and lose form (or worse get injured).

[Brightside]

I’d have Jackson back in a second. Playing in a 3 with Hanlon and Porto. Gogic in front of the 3. We were consistently hard to beat when we played that way. Now we appear to keep changing the formation to fit players in rather than doing the basics properly. Midfield remains our biggest issue. Need to compete for the ball and then keep the ball. Been not much sign of that the last 2 games. Hanlon won’t be going anywhere so get used to him for at least another couple of seasons.

[jeffers]

I’d have Jackson back in a second. Playing in a 3 with Hanlon and Porto. Gogic in front of the 3. We were consistently hard to beat when we played that way. Now we appear to keep changing the formation to fit players in rather than doing the basics properly. Midfield remains our biggest issue. Need to compete for the ball and then keep the ball. Been not much sign of that the last 2 games. Hanlon won’t be going anywhere so get used to him for at least another couple of seasons.

I think he’s been excellent this season, although not so much in the past few games. The trouble is when a central defender or keeper for that matter makes a mistake (which they all do) it often results in a goal. Doidge for example has missed chance after chance but doesn’t seem to receive the same amount of flak that Paul Hanlon does.

[flash]

I think he’s been excellent this season, although not so much in the past few games. The trouble is when a central defender or keeper for that matter makes a mistake (which they all do) it often results in a goal. Doidge for example has missed chance after chance but doesn’t seem to receive the same amount of flak that Paul Hanlon does.

He does in my house. He has been rotten this season.

[Greenworld]

The left hand side of the team has weakness written all over it, if Doig has to be eased in to the team and Murphy is going to miss a lot of matches then the problem needs to be addressed in the January window. It is obviously affecting the balance of the team all over the pitch.It has been for a long time. If you play on the shoulder of hanlon which many forwards now are he is beat no pace over 10 yards . I'm not saying he is finished but with LS beside him its to predictable.
I would love the stats on passing between them ...all LS does is turn back and gives it to Hanlon . If he cant its a punt up the park back to the opposition.

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[Allez Hibs]

Both well and truly past their best for Hibs.

How much in wages would that free up!

[Scouse Hibee]

The usual pish posted about Hanlon after a couple of poor games I see.

[JimBHibees]

The usual pish posted about Hanlon after a couple of poor games I see.

Yep he has been one of our best players this season.

[JimBHibees]

He does in my house. He has been rotten this season.

Agree Doidge has been miles off it imo. Personally would be considering selling in the window, the number of huge chances he has missed recently have been big in terms of our points return, regularly gets bullied by journeyman centre backs and constantly gives away the ball with either poor touch or poor pass.

[EI255]

Both well and truly past their best for Hibs.

How much in wages would that free up!Exactly!

There will be better quality out there. They need replacing. And quickly.

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[MWHIBBIES]

Both well and truly past their best for Hibs.

How much in wages would that free up!

Hanlon this season has been as good as any other top flight season here. I do not get the idea he is past it. It isn't true at all. Would've been a laughable suggestion a week ago.

[Scouse Hibee]

Hanlon this season has been as good as any other top flight season here. I do not get the idea he is past it. It isn't true at all. Would've been a laughable suggestion a week ago.

Exactly, where are theses guys spouting pish about him when he plays well as he has done for the majority of games.

[Allez Hibs]

Hanlon this season has been as good as any other top flight season here. I do not get the idea he is past it. It isn't true at all. Would've been a laughable suggestion a week ago.

Wow. Like Lewy we need to look past sentimentality. Lewy and Hanlon arent good enough for where we need to be anymore.

[Scouse Hibee]

Wow. Like Lewy we need to look past sentimentality. Lewy and Hanlon arent good enough for where we need to be anymore.

But less than three games ago folk were saying he’s been immense 😂 Wow indeed!

[Allez Hibs]

But less than three games ago folk were saying he’s been immense 😂 Wow indeed!

It's all relative isn't it. Immense compared to what? His usual performance season by season or what the best centre back in the league is doing?

[Scouse Hibee]

It's all relative isn't it. Immense compared to what? His usual performance season by season or what the best centre back in the league is doing?

Correct, it’s all relative to Hibs losing a couple of games and the usual scapegoats being bad mouthed on here as being finished.

[ancient hibee]

It's all relative isn't it. Immense compared to what? His usual performance season by season or what the best centre back in the league is doing?

Who would be the best centre back in the league do you think?

[Hermit Crab]

Correct, it’s all relative to Hibs losing a couple of games and the usual scapegoats being bad mouthed on here as being finished.


When Stevenson plays opposition teams target his side. Happened yesterday. Hanlon is slow and a ball over the top and he's goosed, see yesterday. We need better.

[Since90+2]

Who would be the best centre back in the league do you think?

Goldson by quite a distance at this moment I'd say.

[hhibs]

When Stevenson plays opposition teams target his side. Happened yesterday. Hanlon is slow and a ball over the top and he's goosed, see yesterday. We need better.


Sadly ,true.

We absolutely cannot afford to have Hanlon and Stevenson play together ,which, again sadly means Lewis has to go.

[Percy Vere]

Hanlon been excellent this season and most of last. Definitely not finished. Just had 2 poor matches.

Totally agree. Though I think Stevenson may no longer be first pick.
Hanlon has been very good and always has his knockers in here as soon as Hibs lose a couple of games. Issues in last two games are team wide, not one or two players.

[Mutu]

I think he’s been excellent this season, although not so much in the past few games. The trouble is when a central defender or keeper for that matter makes a mistake (which they all do) it often results in a goal. Doidge for example has missed chance after chance but doesn’t seem to receive the same amount of flak that Paul Hanlon does.

Exactly.

The defence has been the best part of the team the entire season yet I am reading for guys like Porteous to be sold on?

Madness.

[erin go bragh]

Our entire team had a bad game tbh . But yes , the defence had a shocker but that’s the same defence that have conceded six goals away from home, this season .

[NC1875]

Hanlon being described as immense ?

Seen it all now.

[Gordon the Dog]

It has been for a long time. If you play on the shoulder of hanlon which many forwards now are he is beat no pace over 10 yards . I'm not saying he is finished but with LS beside him its to predictable.
I would love the stats on passing between them ...all LS does is turn back and gives it to Hanlon . If he cant its a punt up the park back to the opposition.

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Pre match I was hopeful Gogic would allow the full backs to push up, but as we've seen before, while Lewis had plenty space, everything slowed down and either came inside or back. To me it was surprising that given there was no natural width on the left the Doig didn't start. If Murphy can stay fit, it would be good to see what sort of understanding they can develop going forward

[MWHIBBIES]

Our entire team had a bad game tbh . But yes , the defence had a shocker but that’s the same defence that have conceded six goals away from home, this season .

Indeed. I don't know how people can look at a stat like that and still say they are rubbish/finished etc. Its clearly a tactical issue if they are brilliant away from home and hopeless at home.

Defending never has and never will be the sole responsibility of the defenders. An entire team defends. A coach sets them up. You think when Liverpool lost 7 to Villa that Klopp just blamed Van Dijk and Robbo? Definitely not.

[easty]

Goldson by quite a distance at this moment I'd say.

This Goldson?

http://www.talkingbaws.com/2020/02/plenty-of-rangers-fans-are-seriously-questioning-connor-goldsons-role/

[hibbysam]

Indeed. I don't know how people can look at a stat like that and still say they are rubbish/finished etc. Its clearly a tactical issue if they are brilliant away from home and hopeless at home.

Defending never has and never will be the sole responsibility of the defenders. An entire team defends. A coach sets them up. You think when Liverpool lost 7 to Villa that Klopp just blamed Van Dijk and Robbo? Definitely not.

We sit in a lot more away from home being compact and hitting on the break, playing to our strengths. At home we are naive and surge forward, turnover happens and within seconds teams are in behind. Same week in week out. Hanlon and Porteous have been fine in the main, I don’t think Stevenson is good enough to play for us anymore though, Doig or Mackie when fit should be playing week in week out there, athletes who can get forward and back.

[Since90+2]

This Goldson?

http://www.talkingbaws.com/2020/02/plenty-of-rangers-fans-are-seriously-questioning-connor-goldsons-role/

Bit odd to be linking an article from the best part of a year ago but anyway.

Yes, that Goldson, he's been the main centre half in a Rangers team that have conceded 5 goals in 22 league games, the lowest conceded in Scottish football history at this stage of the season. He's been outstanding whenever I've seen him and on a completely different level to Hanlon.

[easty]

Bit odd to be linking an article for the best part of a year ago but anyway.

Yes, that Goldson, he's been the main centre half in a Rangers team that have conceded 5 goals in 22 league games, the lowest conceded in Scottish football history at this stage of the season. He's been outstanding whenever I've seen him and on a completely different level to Hanlon.

My point is, he went through a spell and Gerrard (instead of listening to some fans who thought he should be dropped for being *****) kept playing him cos he knew a good player better than the fans, and he’s been proved right.

Much the same as the various Hibs managers (and the Scotland manager this season) who’ve come and gone and never thought he needed replaced.

Yes, this Hanlon, who has been a mainstay and one of the main reasons for us having kept 9 clean sheets in our first 19 games of the season.

[Since90+2]

My point is, he went through a spell and Gerrard (instead of listening to some fans who thought he should be dropped for being *****) kept playing him cos he knew a good player better than the fans, and he’s been proved right.

Much the same as the various Hibs managers (and the Scotland manager this season) who’ve come and gone and never thought he needed replaced.

Yes, this Hanlon, who has been a mainstay and one of the main reasons for us having kept 9 clean sheets in our first 19 games of the season.

Hanlon is a good SPFL centre half, there are a few posters on here and one in particular who seem to think that he is miles better than he actually is. He's good with the ball at his feet and positionally he's good however he's been prone to making errors for a long time now and he's always struggled physically with big centre forwards. There is a reason he's only ever got 1 cap for Scotland despite us being ***** for years and why he's never got a move to a bigger club. He's found his level, a decent footballing centre half for Scottish League level who has glaring and obvious flaws to his game. He's a club legend but that doesn't mean he is above criticism.

Hanlon has had fluctuations in his form for years as that's his level, the difference with Goldson is his lasted a few months and he's now comfortably the best centre half in the League. Therefore you can't compare people being critical of him to those who don't like Hanlon.

[Not In The Know]

Agreed. A central defender captain should be seen and heard.

I just feel he’s to passive.

tbh I’m maybe being a bit harsh but I’ve never really rated him, purely reasoned by he’s been heart of a defence which has in the main always been regarded as soft, can’t handle cross balls and loses last minute goals.

Hanlon. yup.

[Hermit Crab]

Hanlon is a good SPFL centre half, there are a few posters on here and one in particular who seem to think that he is miles better than he actually is. He's good with the ball at his feet and positionally he's good however he's been prone to making errors for a long time now and he's always struggled physically with big centre forwards. There is a reason he's only ever got 1 cap for Scotland despite us being ***** for years and why he's never got a move to a bigger club. He's found his level, a decent footballing centre half for Scottish League level who has glaring and obvious flaws to his game. He's a club legend but that doesn't mean he is above criticism.

Hanlon has had fluctuations in his form for years as that's his level, the difference with Goldson is his lasted a few months and he's now comfortably the best centre half in the League. Therefore you can't compare people being critical of him to those who don't like Hanlon.


Do you still think that? He was shown up yet again tonight.

[Hibs3-2]

Stevenson and Hanlon, thank u next.

[Swedish hibee]

I think the pressure of being Hibs captain is too much for Hanlon. Let him concentrate on the playing side only.
But then comes the question- who else is there?
Not Boyle!

[Since90+2]

Do you still think that? He was shown up yet again tonight.

Yes. As mentioned in my post he will have fluctuations in form which prevent him from playing at a higher level but in the main he's a good, not great or outstanding, Scottish Premier League centre half.

[Allez Hibs]

Hanlon and Stevenson. Nowhere near good enough. Lewy has already been covered in depth but Hanlon, he is not a captain, I saw his pre match interview and thought he sure doesn't promote confidence, dull stuff like his manager. Two goals lost from set pieces yesterday, not surprising.

He will probably get offered a new deal too further draining resources to properly take us forward.

[Brightside]

Do you still think that? He was shown up yet again tonight.

But still better than Porto. So if Hibs can get better they should. But it wasn’t either player who changed the formation when we were dominating the game.

[KeithTheHibby]

I’ve never rated Hanlon. Amazes me how long he’s been at the club. Don’t get me wrong he’s had his good moments however he’s bang average. I would actually go so far as to say he performs better when he’s got a partner who’s on top of his game.

[Lancs Harp]

I’ve never rated Hanlon. Amazes me how long he’s been at the club. Don’t get me wrong he’s had his good moments however he’s bang average. I would actually go so far as to say he performs better when he’s got a partner who’s on top of his game.
To be fair mate all players probably perform better when they are playing alongside players who are playing at the top of their game. I get what you're trying to say though.

[hibIBZ]

Hanlon's form has fluctuated, but the unmoving criticism has never gone away... Hanlon has always been bullied and lost out in the air. He reads the game really well, shape and positioning is good for the most part, but time and time again he gets pushed around. We are leaking goals game after game and there seems to be three players in our defence that look unstoppable, I think Hanlon is up to 71 league games in a row. Porteous and mcginn have played virtually every minute this season as well, but we are losing goals all over the place

[Brightside]

Hanlon's form has fluctuated, but the unmoving criticism has never gone away... Hanlon has always been bullied and lost out in the air. He reads the game really well, shape and positioning is good for the most part, but time and time again he gets pushed around. We are leaking goals game after game and there seems to be three players in our defence that look unstoppable, I think Hanlon is up to 71 league games in a row. Porteous and mcginn have played virtually every minute this season as well, but we are losing goals all over the place

It was Porto that lost the first 2 goals yeh. Hanlon could have done better with the 2nd but he was marking the man behind. If we don’t lose those 2 simple goals there is a strong chance we’d have one the game.

[NC1875]

It was Porto that lost the first 2 goals yeh. Hanlon could have done better with the 2nd but he was marking the man behind. If we don’t lose those 2 simple goals there is a strong chance we’d have one the game.

IMO it’s zonal marking at the 2nd. It’s Hanlon who attempts to jump and win the ball and gets beat. What’s Porteous done to be at fault ?

[Allant1981]

It was Porto that lost the first 2 goals yeh. Hanlon could have done better with the 2nd but he was marking the man behind. If we don’t lose those 2 simple goals there is a strong chance we’d have one the game.

Hanlon lost the guy for the 2nd

[Brightside]

IMO it’s zonal marking at the 2nd. It’s Hanlon who attempts to jump and win the ball and gets beat. What’s Porteous done to be at fault ?

It went over Portos head. He was marking no one. Are we now doing zonal marking?

[easty]

but we are losing goals all over the place

That’s just not true though. The last few weeks have been abysmal, shocking performances and results. This season though? No.

In our last 6 games we’ve lost 10 goals. It’s massively disappointing. In the previous 26 games we lost 23 goals.

We’ve gone from losing, on average, less than a goal a game, to recently almost 2 per game. It’s *****, and it’s worrying, but it’s not been happening all season, only a few weeks.

[Coach Jon]

Hanlon lost the guy for the 2nd
Also in the lead up to that free kick, Hanlon fails to deal with a long ball, should have been a basic headed clearance, but he totally mistimed it and it came off the top of his head, that then led to the free kick for the goal.
Not good enough.

[hibbydad]

Also in the lead up to that free kick, Hanlon fails to deal with a long ball, should have been a basic headed clearance, but he totally mistimed it and it came off the top of his head, that then led to the free kick for the goal.
Not good enough.
We desperately need a big strong commanding centre half we have been too soft in the centre of the defence for far too long

[truehibernian]

We desperately need a big strong commanding centre half we have been too soft in the centre of the defence for far too long

I'd be looking at the spine of the team and having strong, experienced leaders. Centre half, centre mid, and striker. Dare I say a Scott Brown for a season or two in the middle, holding role, and a Holt type up top to help Doidge and Nisbet. Work younger, energetic and creative players around them. The left side needs addressed and we need an out and out left winger.

New left back, release Hanlon, ship the likes of Hallberg, and sorry to be lacking in sentiment, ship out SDG and Darren. Giving Lewis a new contract, for me, was sentiment over realism - it's an area of the pitch where we ship the most goals.

[easty]

I'd be looking at the spine of the team and having strong, experienced leaders. Centre half, centre mid, and striker. Dare I say a Scott Brown for a season or two in the middle, holding role, and a Holt type up top to help Doidge and Nisbet. Work younger, energetic and creative players around them. The left side needs addressed and we need an out and out left winger.

New left back, release Hanlon, ship the likes of Hallberg, and sorry to be lacking in sentiment, ship out SDG and Darren. Giving Lewis a new contract, for me, was sentiment over realism - it's an area of the pitch where we ship the most goals.

Release Hanlon...for **** sake...get a grip.

If we released Hanlon I’d not be at all surprised if he ended up at Aberdeen. Then in 6 months time the same people who called him ***** would be asking why he’s playing better for Aberdeen than he did for us, when the reality will be, he’s playing exactly the same.

[Allez Hibs]

New left back, release Hanlon, ship the likes of Hallberg, and sorry to be lacking in sentiment, ship out SDG and Darren. Giving Lewis a new contract, for me, was sentiment over realism - it's an area of the pitch where we ship the most goals.

Agree with all of this. It's clear sentimentality is king at Hibs, too soft an approach and not good business. Winning a League Cup would have been remembered for decades.

Who really cares about finishing 4th.

[Potty78]

Time to ship out the old guard if we want to progress. Hanlon has been at the club far to long. He's had some great games but to me he gets bullied far to easy. We need players like hallberg, wright, macgregor, gray, 2 McGinns off the wage bill and bring in 2 central defenders and a striker. We need to get the balance of the midfield correct too, good players in there but all similar. Just my opinion!

[h1bs4life]

Release Hanlon...for **** sake...get a grip.

If we released Hanlon I’d not be at all surprised if he ended up at Aberdeen. Then in 6 months time the same people who called him ***** would be asking why he’s playing better for Aberdeen than he did for us, when the reality will be, he’s playing exactly the same.

Aberdeen ? Hanlon wouldn't get a game for either of our semi final opponents or any other team that has recently turned us over Livingstone , Ross County add Motherwell to that.
There is a reason why Hanlon has been at Hibs so long with the only interest allegedly being Aberdeen and the fact most Scotland managers have overlooked him despite being being one of the most capped under 21 players .
Last night was another one to add to our leaders long list of big game failures.

[easty]

Time to ship out the old guard if we want to progress. Hanlon has been at the club far to long. He's had some great games but to me he gets bullied far to easy. We need players like hallberg, wright, macgregor, gray, 2 McGinns off the wage bill and bring in 2 central defenders and a striker. We need to get the balance of the midfield correct too, good players in there but all similar. Just my opinion!

You’d get rid of 2 players whose form this season saw them called up to the Scotland squad?

[Allez Hibs]

Aberdeen ? Hanlon wouldn't get a game for either of our semi final opponents or any other team that has recently turned us over Livingstone , Ross County add Motherwell to that.
There is a reason why Hanlon has been at Hibs so long with the only interest allegedly being Aberdeen and the fact most Scotland managers have overlooked him despite being being one of the most capped under 21 players .
Last night was another one to add to our leaders long list of big game failures.

Same with Lewy. Been at Hibs too long because no one else wants him. Yet, fans see him as some sort of legend for being consistantly mediocre. Hibs can do better.

[matty_f]

Stevenson didn’t even play yesterday and he’s getting slaughtered. FFS.

[Potty78]

You’d get rid of 2 players whose form this season saw them called up to the Scotland squad?

To be honest I would, as I said Hanlon has been at the club to long, McGinn has done ok but I think we could do better with the money we are spending.

[JohnM1875]

Stevenson didn’t even play yesterday and he’s getting slaughtered. FFS.

Was thinking the exact same thing! Mental.

[Allez Hibs]

Stevenson didn’t even play yesterday and he’s getting slaughtered. FFS.

I think its more to do with the soft touch culture at the club and the fans accepting it resulting in mediocrity 👍

[hibbysam]

I think its more to do with the soft touch culture at the club and the fans accepting it resulting in mediocrity 👍

See when the likes of Motherwell, St Johnstone, Livingston etc get pumped, do you think their fans start calling them soft touches and telling the world that their centre halves wouldn’t get a game for Dundee or Raith? Yet we want to be like these clubs and take their centre backs.

[Allez Hibs]

See when the likes of Motherwell, St Johnstone, Livingston etc get pumped, do you think their fans start calling them soft touches and telling the world that their centre halves wouldn’t get a game for Dundee or Raith? Yet we want to be like these clubs and take their centre backs.

There's no denying Hibs are mediocre just now. League position is glossing it. We won't finish 4th.

[h1bs4life]

See when the likes of Motherwell, St Johnstone, Livingston etc get pumped, do you think their fans start calling them soft touches and telling the world that their centre halves wouldn’t get a game for Dundee or Raith? Yet we want to be like these clubs and take their centre backs.

Motherwell's centre half seems to be rated by the Scotland manager .

[NC1875]

Stevenson didn’t even play yesterday and he’s getting slaughtered. FFS.


Quite clear people will talk about Lewis when the title is Stevenson and Hanlon. Hanlon had another piss poor performance yesterday to add his long list of piss poor performances for hibs in general.

People are kicking up a fuss about losing semi finals, losing against hearts, can’t win big games etc but then come on here and defend the guys who have consistently been a part of that failure.

[sleeping giant]

There's no denying Hibs are mediocre just now. League position is glossing it. They won't finish 4th.

How can the league position gloss it?
The league is the league.

[hibbysam]

Motherwell's centre half seems to be rated by the Scotland manager .

So was our three defenders. Gallagher is part of a team who are joint bottom of the league, pumped by us a few weeks back, and part of a defence with the third worst record in the league.

[easty]

Motherwell's centre half seems to be rated by the Scotland manager .

So does Hanlon though...

[hibbysam]

There's no denying Hibs are mediocre just now. League position is glossing it. They won't finish 4th.

‘They’ 🙈

[easty]

There's no denying Hibs are mediocre just now. League position is glossing it. They won't finish 4th.

Not “we”??

[easty]

‘They’ 🙈

Exactly!

[lord bunberry]

Stevenson didn’t even play yesterday and he’s getting slaughtered. FFS.
:faf::faf:
Alan Sneddon can gtf anaw.

[NC1875]

So does Hanlon though...

Really 😂

[Allez Hibs]

‘They’ 🙈

Grammar police out now. Yes, "They" = Stevenson and Hanlon et al.

[h1bs4life]

So does Hanlon though...

20 minutes in one game cause we were short of defenders.
The next game Considine was back in a they talked about bringing back Grant Hanley.

[easty]

Really 😂

Well the current Scotland manager, who called up and rated Gallagher, also called up and rates Hanlon. That’s not even an opinion, it’s a fact. Laugh away.

[hibbysam]

Grammar police out now. Yes, "They" = Stevenson and Hanlon et al.

Nah, your post mentioned Hibs not finishing fourth, not Stevenson or Hanlon. You described Hibs as ‘they’, that’s not poor grammar. Poor grammar is spelling stuff wrong, putting commas in the wrong place.

[Since90+2]

Well the current Scotland manager, who called up and rated Gallagher, also called up and rates Hanlon. That’s not even an opinion, it’s a fact. Laugh away.

To be fair he clearly doesn't rate him that highly as his entire international career has been a 20 minute cameo whereas Gallagher has started about the last 5 games and played every minute.

[easty]

20 minutes in one game cause we were short of defenders.
The next game Considine was back in a they talked about bringing back Grant Hanley.

So there was nobody else? Steve Clarke’s sat there thinking “I need a centre half, but the only other Scottish centre half I can think of is Paul Hanlon, so he’ll have to do, even though he’s soft as **** and h1bs4life doesn’t think he’s any good”.

That must be it.

[Allez Hibs]

Well the current Scotland manager, who called up and rated Gallagher, also called up and rates Hanlon. That’s not even an opinion, it’s a fact. Laugh away.

😂 😂 😂 😂 😂

Hanlon needs replaced. It's that simple.

[NC1875]

Well the current Scotland manager, who called up and rated Gallagher, also called up and rates Hanlon. That’s not even an opinion, it’s a fact. Laugh away.

Did he start ? What did he play ? 15 mins.
HIGHLY RATED 👍🏼

I’m sure he’ll be at the euros this year

[easty]

To be fair he clearly doesn't rate him that highly as his entire international career has been a 20 minute cameo.

He rated him highly enough to call him up though. Am I living in a parallel universe here? Where a manager calling a player up to the national squad actually means he’s *****.

How is this even an argument? There are loads of other Scottish centre halfs playing in our league, Hanlon was called up...but he’s *****?

[Allez Hibs]

Nah, your post mentioned Hibs not finishing fourth, not Stevenson or Hanlon. You described Hibs as ‘they’, that’s not poor grammar. Poor grammar is spelling stuff wrong, putting commas in the wrong place.

This current Jack Ross Hibs team, is that better. Deary me.

[Since90+2]

He rated him highly enough to call him up though. Am I living in a parallel universe here? Where a manager calling a player up to the national squad actually means he’s *****.

How is this even an argument? There are loads of other Scottish centre halfs playing in our league, Hanlon was called up...but he’s *****?

Never said he was ***** but you responded to a poster who mentioned Gallagher and you said Clark also rates Hanlon. He clearly rates Gallagher far higher.

[NC1875]

Sure Hanlon actually played wing back when he came on as well.

Clarke must rate him very highly as a centre half

[easty]

Did he start ? What did he play ? 15 mins.
HIGHLY RATED 👍🏼

I’m sure he’ll be at the euros this year

Thumbs up. Good for you.

I’d get more logic from a conversation with a bowl of soup...

[NC1875]

Thumbs up. Good for you.

I’d get more logic from a conversation with a bowl of soup...

Away you go then. In your Paul Hanlon pyjamas

[hibeerealist]

So does Hanlon though...

You cant be serious!!:greengrin:greengrin

[easty]

Never said he was ***** but you responded to a poster who mentioned Gallagher and you said Clark also rates Hanlon. He clearly rates Gallagher far higher.

I didn’t say who he rated higher, nor would I, cos it’s plain to see who he rates higher.

Clarke rates Hanlon, this season he called him up to the national team. That was my point.

[Allez Hibs]

Thumbs up. Good for you.

I’d get more logic from a conversation with a bowl of soup...

What a needless post.

How many international minutes have Lewy Hanlon and Paul McGinn played between them?

[Smartie]

You’d get rid of 2 players whose form this season saw them called up to the Scotland squad?

I wouldn’t be getting rid of them but they need to start showing the form that saw them get called up to the Scotland squad.

The defence that started the season brilliantly has been absolutely all over the shop for the past couple of months. Players like Hanlon and Porteous are not performing at the level they were.

[easty]

You cant be serious!!:greengrin:greengrin

I really don’t understand why I have to justify that?

I didn’t call him up to the Scotland squad. Steve Clarke did.

[Since90+2]

I didn’t say who he rated higher, nor would I, cos it’s plain to see who he rates higher.

Clarke rates Hanlon, this season he called him up to the national team. That was my point.

He's never managed Hanlon so probably wanted to get a closer look at him to see if he could cut it at international level.

The fact that he played 20 minutes and then never played a second the following game and Considine ahead of him maybe suggests he wasn't all that impressed.

We will find out if he rates him or not when the Euro squad is announced. My hunch is he won't be in it.

[easty]

I wouldn’t be getting rid of them but they need to start showing the form that saw them get called up to the Scotland squad.

The defence that started the season brilliantly has been absolutely all over the shop for the past couple of months. Players like Hanlon and Porteous are not performing at the level they were.

Totally agree.

What I’m saying is they’re good players playing poorly, I don’t think we should be releasing them based on a very recent form.

[SHODAN]

Hanlon has this infuriating habit of being a solid defender and playing very well for 89 of 90 minutes, only to make a crucial mistake which leads to a game-costing goal.

He's been a great servant of the club but it's time he was no longer an automatic first pick.

[easty]

He's never managed Hanlon so probably wanted to get a closer look at him to see if he could cut it at international level.

The fact that he played 20 minutes and then never played a second the following game and Considine ahead of him maybe suggests he wasn't all that impressed.

We will find out if he rates him or not when the Euro squad is announced. My hunch is he won't be in it.

I’d not be surprised if he didn’t make the squad either. I doubt he will.

If he did though, and played every game at the euros, I’d also not be surprised if folk on here still said he was ***** and should be released.

[easty]

What a needless post.

How many international minutes have Lewy Hanlon and Paul McGinn played between them?

More than Jason Kerr, but folk think he’d sort us out at the back.

More than SDG, who was brilliant a couple of years ago, more than Darren McGregor, who was also brilliant.

[Allez Hibs]

More than Jason Kerr, but folk think he’d sort us out at the back.

More than SDG, who was brilliant a couple of years ago, more than Darren McGregor, who was also brilliant.

Football teams are cyclical. It's time to move on from Lewy Hanlon McGregor and Gray. That money should be free'd up to build a defense that will be the future. Its time to move on from them!

[easty]

Football teams are cyclical. It's time to move on from Lewy Hanlon McGregor and Gray. That money should be free'd up to build a defense that will be the future. Its time to move on from them!

We move on from them when it’s time, we can already see that happening.

It’s not time for Hanlon yet.

[Allez Hibs]

We move on from them when it’s time, we can already see that happening.

It’s not time for Hanlon yet.

👀 👀 👀

[Swedish hibee]

Can't believe Stevenson, Gray & McGregor are even being mentioned today.
We could've still came back at 2-0 down, but there was nothing or noone on the pitch who wanted it. It was a painful performance, and those on the pitch were the culprits- not anyone on the bench.