Passion from the touchline

[Stuart93]

Just seen Yogi’s interview just now, complaining his “voice had gone”

Not that I’m asking for our manager to be a ranting & raving lunatic on the touch line but when things aren’t going our way you barely see/hear a peep from Jack Ross.

In games like tonight I’d love to see him trying to urge the players on from the touch line and raise their game. I get it’s probably not his style but standing silent probably doesn’t help when there’s no-one on the pitch who seems to be urging us on

[bingo70]

Hope you’ve got your tin hat at the ready 😉

Totally agree though. I’d love to see a bit more fire in the belly from Jack Ross.

The only other successful manager I can think of that seems to stay calm all the time is Brendan Rodgers. I’m sure I’ll be told shortly of others that are like that but off the top of my head Guardiola, Klopp, Mourinho, Ferguson and Wenger all go or used to go a bit raj sometimes.

I know they say you get better clarity of thought when staying calm but sometimes emotion in football is good, especially you’re trying to provoke a reaction from your players.

[Callum_62]

If sure when Yogi was our manager he got ripped for shouting like a raging baboon

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[Stuart93]

Hope you’ve got your tin hat at the ready 😉

Totally agree though. I’d love to see a bit more fire in the belly from Jack Ross.

The only other successful manager I can think of that seems to stay calm all the time is Brendan Rodgers. I’m sure I’ll be told shortly of others that are like that but off the top of my head Guardiola, Klopp, Mourinho, Ferguson and Wenger all go or used to go a bit raj sometimes.

I know they say you get better clarity of thought when staying calm but sometimes emotion in football is good, especially you’re trying to provoke a reaction from your players.

As I said I get it’s maybe just his style & im not expecting our manager to go on like a loony but a wee bit of something from him on the touchline to gee is up surely wouldn’t go a miss

[Alfred E Newman]

Let's hope he gives the players a good rollicking. If he comes out with the usual " I was pleased with some aspects of the game" stuff I'll crack up completely.

[Scotty Leither]

I don't actually know if Ross is like that or has it in him to be honest, and i've always thought that in team sports and especially football, that teams reflect their manager's personality.

On Hibs TV, he'll never get asked anything other than puffball questions, and BBC shortbread are too obsessed with the injustices at Tynecastle to bother much about Hibs.

We are far too passive though, especially in the way we start some games; it's like watching a training session half the time.

[bingo70]

As I said I get it’s maybe just his style & im not expecting our manager to go on like a loony but a wee bit of something from him on the touchline to gee is up surely wouldn’t go a miss

I think like most things it’s a balance.

I don’t think Lennon had the balance right the other way and I’m not convinced Ross has it right either.

To me, it looked like the team just accepted very early today that it just wasn’t going to happen for us tonight and it’s too easy just to put it down to an off day.

I’d have preferred to see a bit more emotion from the touch line and from players on the pitch.

[BILLYHIBS]

Fine margins

[Peanut Shaz]

[QUOTE=Stuart93;6400558]

In games like tonight I’d love to see him trying to urge the players on from the touch line and raise their game. I get it’s probably not his style but standing silent probably doesn’t help when there’s no-one on the pitch who seems to be urging us on[/QUOTE

I said this on a thread a couple of months ago and said it again tonight. No passion, no instructions to players, nothing. Its all very well saying once they cross the line etc etc but surely a bit of coaching, advice during the game wouldn't go amiss. He looks totally disinterested during the games if I'm honest.

[wookie70]

I'm note sure I want him ranting but I'd like to see some emotion. The players looked lost tonight. They needed a bit of help either in the way of subs, formation change or encouragement. One of our issues is lack of energy or drive. Ross projects a calm level persona at the side of the pitch and in front of camera his team are a reflection of that. I think there is often that with teams where a manager's persona becomes that of the teams.

[bingo70]

I'm note sure I want him ranting but I'd like to see some emotion. The players looked lost tonight. They needed a bit of help either in the way of subs, formation change or encouragement. One of our issues is lack of energy or drive. Ross projects a calm level persona at the side of the pitch and in front of camera his team are a reflection of that. I think there is often that with teams where a manager's persona becomes that of the teams.

Similarly, Ross comments after the game suggests that it was ok to play ***** and get beat tonight as they’ve been good for him all season and were effectively due one. As long as they react against Livingston at the weekend then there’s no problem.

That’s the impression I got from the players after about 55-60 minutes tonight too. Im not expecting him to come out slating the players but got to be greater demands put on them to win the game tonight.

I don’t know how anybody could react so calmly to that performance tonight.

[Onceinawhile]

Nah. It's the right thing to do.

[Stuart93]

Similarly, Ross comments after the game suggests that it was ok to play ***** and get beat tonight as they’ve been good for him all season and were effectively due one. As long as they react against Livingston at the weekend then there’s no problem.

That’s the impression I got from the players after about 55-60 minutes tonight too. Im not expecting him to come out slating the players but got to be greater demands put on them to win the game tonight.

I don’t know how anybody could react so calmly to that performance tonight.

Yep exactly.

After half time you could we were never scoring. Our performance and energy levels hadn’t changed from the 1st half.

Even when it went 2-0 we still had enough time to claw something back but you just knew we were getting nowhere near it.

Think it’s time to ditch the 442 with two in midfield. Teams know how to play it.

[Callum_62]

I mind Terry butcher waving his arms around like a helicopter

10 minutes later Tony Andreu equalised for a Hamilton

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[B.H.F.C]

Similarly, Ross comments after the game suggests that it was ok to play ***** and get beat tonight as they’ve been good for him all season and were effectively due one. As long as they react against Livingston at the weekend then there’s no problem.

That’s the impression I got from the players after about 55-60 minutes tonight too. Im not expecting him to come out slating the players but got to be greater demands put on them to win the game tonight.

I don’t know how anybody could react so calmly to that performance tonight.

See on one hand, I kind of get where he’s coming from. We’ve done well this season, don’t get carried away with a defeat and all that.

But on the other hand, that was awful. And despite the relative positivity from the weekend, that was also a defeat at the end of the day.

Ross is at a very important point in his Hibs career now. Anything less than a win at the weekend and negativity goes up a notch, especially with Celtic to come after that where we’ll likely lose. League cup semi final is going to be absolutely huge for him.

[bingo70]

I mind Terry butcher waving his arms around like a helicopter

10 minutes later Tony Andreu equalised for a Hamilton

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And yet Klopp, Guardiola and Mourinho are full of enthusiasm and emotion on the touchline.

It’s almost like there’s a middle ground to be found and not all people who are being animated on the touch line are going to be Terry Butcher.

[Smartie]

I couldn't care less if he didn't bellow, holler or hurl his arms around. TBH I probably prefer it that he doesn't.

He was outdone tactically tonight though, and our home record really isn't one to be proud of. He needs to think long and hard about why that is and take action. I'll be disappointed if the best he can come up with is shouting and waving his arms a bit more.

[bingo70]

I couldn't care less if he didn't bellow, holler or hurl his arms around. TBH I probably prefer it that he doesn't.

He was outdone tactically tonight though, and our home record really isn't one to be proud of. He needs to think long and hard about why that is and take action. I'll be disappointed if the best he can come up with is shouting and waving his arms a bit more.

Shouting and waiving arms isnt what people are asking for.

Enthusiasm and energy is infectious, it wasn’t coming from the players on the pitch tonight so he might have been able to light a few fires himself. Instead there was an impression that it’s ok, we’ll win at the weekend if we don’t win tonight. The manager confirmed that attitude after the game with his post match comments.

Remember the stick Steve McLaren got when holding the umbrella for England? It’s not exactly the same but there’s similar principles at play I think.

Football is an emotional game, having a manager not showing emotion is going to produce a reaction. Ultimately when the team is winning nobody cares but when we lose I think it will annoy people.

[houstonhibbee]

I couldn't care less if he didn't bellow, holler or hurl his arms around. TBH I probably prefer it that he doesn't.

He was outdone tactically tonight though, and our home record really isn't one to be proud of. He needs to think long and hard about why that is and take action. I'll be disappointed if the best he can come up with is shouting and waving his arms a bit more.

Today wasn't just tactics though.
There was no motivation or desire
We do tend to perform better as the away team soaking up pressure and playing in a measured way. This approach is too lacksadaisical when we're the home team and supposed to be more on the front foot. If we'd been right at then from the start we would have more than likely knocked them out of their stride but we just played into their hands with an insipid performance throughout the team.
It was like the plaudits from Ibrox meant they thought all they had to do was turn up today to win. Very poor attitude.

[Nicho87]

I think this type of manager personna is fine when not losing but when things are going wrong and the same ‘doing nothing stance’ remains fans wonder what are you actually doing to show displeasure.

[ekhibee]

I don't have any problem with him not being as animated as John Hughes if he gets results, and for the most part he has. He picked the strongest team available tonight, and in my opinion they should have been too good for Ross County, but they didn't perform, and there's absolutely nothing unusual about that if you're a Hibs fan. We are hardly the most consistent club over the years, sometimes we're brilliant, the best team to watch in the league, and other times we are capable of performances like the one we saw tonight. Ross was beaten tactically by Hughes, but it's not the first time Hughes has outhought a Hibs manager, he did it with Falkirk and other teams. Hibs are an enigma and they probably always will be.

[J-C]

I see him standing there but very seldom see him encouraging or showing any enthusiasm himself, he never looks like he could motivate, be a bit dour at times.

[Nicho87]

What is beginning to piss me off is that the last few poorer performances he has said each time he can’t really bemoan the players as they’ve been good for him. Surely this Pat on the back act even if it is not the same behind closed doors needs telling that the standards have got to be higher than that. I want to hear that performance was dreadful and players should be worried about getting dropped. Everyone could see tonight after 45 minutes where that game was going. Players didn’t respond at all. Change it up Ross.

[Smartie]

Shouting and waiving arms isnt what people are asking for.

Enthusiasm and energy is infectious, it wasn’t coming from the players on the pitch tonight so he might have been able to light a few fires himself. Instead there was an impression that it’s ok, we’ll win at the weekend if we don’t win tonight. The manager confirmed that attitude after the game with his post match comments.

Remember the stick Steve McLaren got when holding the umbrella for England? It’s not exactly the same but there’s similar principles at play I think.

Football is an emotional game, having a manager not showing emotion is going to produce a reaction. Ultimately when the team is winning nobody cares but when we lose I think it will annoy people.

Ok, so if we are wanting enthusiasm but not necessarily shouting and waving arms then what do you suggest?

Ross has all sorts of tools at his disposal to get performances out of players - he can pick them, drop them, take them off, decline them new contracts, flog them at the earliest opportunity - that's all before you get onto the bollocking or windmilling.

I'm just a bit cold about how much of an effect touchline gesticulation can have, I think it's overrated and empty.

If he hadn't picked a team that was set up to lose the midfield - again - then we might have got a stronger foothold in the game and all of a sudden the body language of everyone looks very different. Instead we were toiling at home to bottom of the league and expecting gesticulation in the dugout to make a difference.

Potter gets pretty animated at times. He strikes me as the more emotional one of the pair.

[Booked4Being-Ugly]

I just watched his interview. I was expecting him to be angry but he didn’t seem that bothered with the result.

It’s not something I want to see from my manager. I don’t expect him to go mental but I’d like to have saw some passion and desire in his interview.

Must win game on Sat Jack.

[NAE NOOKIE]

Different managers have different styles, I'm not that bothered that Jack Ross doesn't rant and rave on the touchline. I am bothered when he seems to think losing a game like that one is acceptable because the players are 4th in the league and managed not to get their arse kicked at Ibrox.

I've said it before. The reason Aberdeen, whose record against the old firm is no better than ours, make Europe season after season is because they rarely if ever lose games like this one, Saturday being a case in point where they overturned a 1 - 0 deficit against St Johnston.

Until we learn to do the same we will remain also rans to them in the league and that's highly unlikely when the manager seems to be ok with losing games we absolutely have to win.

[bingo70]

Ok, so if we are wanting enthusiasm but not necessarily shouting and waving arms then what do you suggest?

Ross has all sorts of tools at his disposal to get performances out of players - he can pick them, drop them, take them off, decline them new contracts, flog them at the earliest opportunity - that's all before you get onto the bollocking or windmilling.

I'm just a bit cold about how much of an effect touchline gesticulation can have, I think it's overrated and empty.

If he hadn't picked a team that was set up to lose the midfield - again - then we might have got a stronger foothold in the game and all of a sudden the body language of everyone looks very different. Instead we were toiling at home to bottom of the league and expecting gesticulation in the dugout to make a difference.

Potter gets pretty animated at times. He strikes me as the more emotional one of the pair.

No, you were suggesting it was just pointless arm waiving and shouting we were asking for. I’m saying it would be good to see genuine emotion and enthusiasm, not just random arm waiving and shouting for the sake of it.

I want into see the team encouraged to go forward and to have a bit intensity and urgency.

What about the top managers in the world who are practically all very animated on the touchline? Someone should really tell them to sit down and just let the players get on with it?

Fwiw outside of match day I completely agree with you that the days of screaming at players is long gone and not necessary any more. On match days and during matches though, some players will need a rocket from time to time. No two players are the same and the idea that they all react best to a calm and considered approach seems unlikely to me.

[cabbageandribs1875]

I mind Terry butcher waving his arms around like a helicopter

10 minutes later Tony Andreu equalised for a Hamilton

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maybe because the players weren't listening, always worth remembering the huge clearout we had at the end of that season, and i still maintain he should have been allowed to clear out another 2 or 3 before he got the bullet....his work wasn't done :) all the blame didn't lie with the manager imo

[Magpie]

If Hibs win I expect the manager to come over to the East Stand and throw some fists in the air.

[Smartie]

No, you were suggesting it was just pointless arm waiving and shouting we were asking for. I’m saying it would be good to see genuine emotion and enthusiasm, not just random arm waiving and shouting for the sake of it.

I want into see the team encouraged to go forward and to have a bit intensity and urgency.

What about the top managers in the world who are practically all very animated on the touchline? Someone should really tell them to sit down and just let the players get on with it?

Fwiw outside of match day I completely agree with you that the days of screaming at players is long gone and not necessary any more. On match days and during matches though, some players will need a rocket from time to time. No two players are the same and the idea that they all react best to a calm and considered approach seems unlikely to me.

Was it Eddie Turnbull who watched games from the stand? And did Jim McLean not do likewise?

I bet they managed a choice word or two behind closed doors, and their players will have known exactly what was expected of them from first minute to last.

Lewis Stevenson said in that recent podcast interview that he did that Jack Ross has ways of letting you know when he's not happy with you - and that's good enough for me.

I've just formed a strange opinion somewhere along the line that the histrionics you see on the touchline are theatrical nonsense - yeah, even when it's from the very best in the business, so I'm less fussed than others if our manager is quite measured in his approach.

What Jack Ross does in the dugout is miles down my list of things I want to see to turn a performance like that around - a few senior players leading by example and winning their personal battles , for example. TBH that's probably where I'd start - by looking for more from our more experienced boys to pick the team up out of their malaise rather than needing it to come from the touchline.

[cabbageandribs1875]

If Hibs win I expect the manager to come over to the East Stand and throw some fists in the air.



and if we don't...kick a few of the cardboard cut-outs, at least

[Allant1981]

Do players actually listen to what a manager is shouting during a game, very rarely I'd imagine. Yes it looks good for the fans that the manager is showing a bit passion but it's not really going to have that much impact on the game

[bingo70]

The attitude from Wednesday night that it was ok to lose as we normally do well after a defeat hasnt helped us today.

We turned up today just expecting things to be better.

Hopefully we’ll still turn this around but I didn’t like Ross’s reaction the other night and I’m not surprised we’ve made a sluggish start today.

[Callum_62]

And yet Klopp, Guardiola and Mourinho are full of enthusiasm and emotion on the touchline.

It’s almost like there’s a middle ground to be found and not all people who are being animated on the touch line are going to be Terry Butcher.And not all people remaining calm on the touchline are *****

It makes very little difference over all imo

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