Yellow cards for simulation ?

[worcesterhibby]

I’ve just watched the highlights of the Sheffield Utd v Everton match. There were two penalty claims, one for each team. On both occasions these claimed were reviewed by VAR and it was obvious that both were dives. No penalty was given in either case, yet in both cases players threw themselves to the ground but no yellow cards were given for simulation. Has the rule changed ? Why are referees ignoring diving ? Confused :confused:

[JimBHibees]

I’ve just watched the highlights of the Sheffield Utd v Everton match. There were two penalty claims, one for each team. On both occasions these claimed were reviewed by VAR and it was obvious that both were dives. No penalty was given in either case, yet in both cases players threw themselves to the ground but no yellow cards were given for simulation. Has the rule changed ? Why are referees ignoring diving ? Confused :confused:

Seems very odd and annoying as some of them are blatant dives and should be punished especially you would have thought via var.. Don't really understand why not to be honest. Also encourages the divers Raheem Sterling must be a nightmare to play against for that reason, never off his erse.

[Keith_M]

I'd issue a yellow card to every player that rolls around the pitch pretending they've just been shot.

[Sir David Gray]

I’ve just watched the highlights of the Sheffield Utd v Everton match. There were two penalty claims, one for each team. On both occasions these claimed were reviewed by VAR and it was obvious that both were dives. No penalty was given in either case, yet in both cases players threw themselves to the ground but no yellow cards were given for simulation. Has the rule changed ? Why are referees ignoring diving ? Confused :confused:

I think VAR can only be used to determine whether or not a penalty should be awarded, whether or not a goal should be awarded, whether or not a player should be sent off and whether or not a referee has booked/sent off the wrong player.

I don't believe there's anything in the rules which allows a player to be shown a yellow card following a VAR review.

[JimBHibees]

I think VAR can only be used to determine whether or not a penalty should be awarded, whether or not a goal should be awarded, whether or not a player should be sent off and whether or not a referee has booked/sent off the wrong player.

I don't believe there's anything in the rules which allows a player to be shown a yellow card following a VAR review.

If that is the case then i don't think it helps the game as serial divers like Sterling Fernandes Salah etc will just continue to dive without punishment.

[worcesterhibby]

[QUOTE=Sir David Gray;6395757]I think VAR can only be used to determine whether or not a penalty should be awarded, whether or not a goal should be awarded, whether or not a player should be sent off and whether or not a referee has booked/sent off the wrong player.

I don't believe there's anything in the rules which allows a player to be shown a yellow card following a VAR review.[/]

just had a bit of a search of the internet and it seems players can be cautioned for simulation following a penalty review.. https://www.cpfc.co.uk/news/2019/august/neil-swarbrick-answers-your-questions-on-var-before-it-comes-to-the-premier-league/

[Sir David Gray]

just had a bit of a search of the internet and it seems players can be cautioned for simulation following a penalty review.. https://www.cpfc.co.uk/news/2019/august/neil-swarbrick-answers-your-questions-on-var-before-it-comes-to-the-premier-league/

Apologies you're right.

In the instance where the on-field referee has awarded a penalty but the VAR has determined that it was an act of simulation, the penalty award will be overturned and the offending player will be shown a yellow card.

https://www.premierleague.com/news/1293321

[Iggy Pope]

Obviously nowt to do with VAR, but I thought Martin Boyle was lucky to get off with a laughable dive yesterday, 2nd half corner when he should’ve been concentrating on getting to the ball.

[superfurryhibby]

Obviously nowt to do with VAR, but I thought Martin Boyle was lucky to get off with a laughable dive yesterday, 2nd half corner when he should’ve been concentrating on getting to the ball.

Funny you mention that. Boyle is a bit prone to going down too easily. I’m not a huge fan of theatrics and find the diving and cheating in the modern game to be a bit shan really. Whether it’s from a Hibs player or not.

[Jones28]

Funny you mention that. Boyle is a bit prone to going down too easily. I’m not a huge fan of theatrics and find the diving and cheating in the modern game to be a bit shan really. Whether it’s from a Hibs player or not.

I don’t like it, but another part of me says if you can’t beat them, join them.

[Iggy Pope]

Funny you mention that. Boyle is a bit prone to going down too easily. I’m not a huge fan of theatrics and find the diving and cheating in the modern game to be a bit shan really. Whether it’s from a Hibs player or not.

He does. He gets the **** booted out of him too though and getting a reputation for diving won’t help his case.

[wookie70]

He does. He gets the **** booted out of him too though and getting a reputation for diving won’t help his case.

I agree, it must be hard for Boyle. He who is caught at full speed very often and regularly the victim of professional fouls. The refs give him hardly any protection and he doesn't often go down without contact. I've not seen a replay of the one yesterday though and hope there was another reason rather than simulation as it isn't like him at all

[Iggy Pope]

I agree, it must be hard for Boyle. He who is caught at full speed very often and regularly the victim of professional fouls. The refs give him hardly any protection and he doesn't often go down without contact. I've not seen a replay of the one yesterday though and hope there was another reason rather than simulation as it isn't like him at all

Largely agree. The camera behind the goal caught it pretty well at the time.

[NORTHERNHIBBY]

I think that simulation is now part and parcel of the game and is almost becoming an art in itself. The commentary has changed from a player should stay on his feet, to every right to go down. Even heard players being castigated for being to honest.

[CMurdoch]

There is an art of gaining penalties now. It's a skill and is one of the easiest ways to get a goal. Amongst these arts is:
sneaking in and replacing the ball with your leg so that the opposing player then kicks your leg instead of the ball or
getting to the ball first in the box then jamming on the brakes so the guy behind knocks you over

None of these instances or the other similar practices is why the rule exists and there are now far too many penalties as a result.

Obviously on the occasions when the desired contact doesn't come players look like they have dived but it is no more cheating than the drawing of contact which does become complete. It has simply been unsuccessful.

[worcesterhibby]

To be honest I think half the issue is that ALL pundits are ex footballers who all dived themselves. The voice of the fans who pay for football is entirely silenced by the vast majority of the MSM. Most fans hate diving and want to see it punished, most footballers are taught to dive and feel it’s just part of the game, so there is a huge disconnect between the customer and the product.

[Alfred E Newman]

Referees just have to stop awarding free kicks every time a player throws himself to the ground. Aberdeens penalty yesterday was farcical.

[Just_Jimmy]

not even tackle in the box is a foul.

the game is far too soft now all over the park

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[Danderhall Hibs]

Referees just have to stop awarding free kicks every time a player throws himself to the ground. Aberdeens penalty yesterday was farcical.

I also think part of the problem is refs don’t give fouls when a player stays on their feet - it encourages them to fall over.

[Greenbeard]

I'd issue a yellow card to every player that rolls around the pitch pretending they've just been shot.
Or holds their face pretending they've been kicked in the puss by a high boot.

[Dr What If?]

The problem I see is consistency, if I'm refereeing the game the Wolves one is as clear a dive as you can get and a clear yellow....no need for VAR, the Spurs one less obvious but then having seen the reply - yellow. A lot of refs will have issued yellows, others won't. VAR would be a lot more effective if the rules today were not so open to interpretation. If I'm part of the coaching team at these clubs I will be looking at how certain refs act and instruct the players accordingly.
Bit more difficult in the Scottish game, easiest way to get a decision is to wear an OF shirt but I'm pretty sure going on the pitch in disguise isn't allowed :greengrin

[Since452]

I'd issue a yellow card to every player that rolls around the pitch pretending they've just been shot.

Yup. They should also be put in a pillory at half time so the crowd can throw lukewarm pizza slices at them

[CMurdoch]

Obviously nowt to do with VAR, but I thought Martin Boyle was lucky to get off with a laughable dive yesterday, 2nd half corner when he should’ve been concentrating on getting to the ball.

There was comment on Kickback about that dive and a wag asked "did his wig stay on" which made be chuckle.
I do realise this is not very partisan of me, but hey ho, a laughs a laugh.

[maturehibby]

Simon Murray did a good dive last night for Queens Park
And initially conned the referee however the Assistant Referee saw it clearly and it wainto givingva penalty s disallowed
Lucky to escape a Yellow for simulation