Bridge to northern Ireland

[Moulin Yarns]

https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/lifestyle/edinburgh-experts-draw-plan-floating-tube-bridge-linking-scotland-and-northern-ireland-3067444

How can a tunnel, suspended 50m below the surface be called a bridge?

And when they call it a tube I have this image of the refuse tubes clipped together on scaffolding at building renovations.

[lapsedhibee]

https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/lifestyle/edinburgh-experts-draw-plan-floating-tube-bridge-linking-scotland-and-northern-ireland-3067444

How can a tunnel, suspended 50m below the surface be called a bridge?



You mightn't think a bridge could be made out of chocolate, either. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UMbJyJvqt48)

You might be taking everything a bit too literally today!

[Jones28]

A giant drinking straw suspended above thousands of tons of explosives?


I'll take the ferry thanks.

[danhibees1875]

I guess if a bridge is just thought of as something which connects two things then it doesn't matter if it doesn't fit the structural concept of what we think of when thinking "bridge".

I've no idea what the demand is like for ferries/flights that this would help solve but I'm not sure I'd fancy driving 40 minutes in an underwater tunnel!

[Pretty Boy]

Hopefully it's as cool as the underwater tunnels in the Faroes:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-55195390

A new bridge to connect an independent Scotland and a United Ireland is a very generous leaving gift from the UK. Beats flowers anyway.

[Smartie]

Ignoring all the inevitable fleg stuff, I like that we’re working on possible ways to connect places up, even if they sound a bit bonkers.

[Ozyhibby]

https://youtu.be/0Zlz3N5MA50

Pretty sure one of the Norwegian ones is 27m long. I would think the Irish Sea is a bit rougher than the fjords though.

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[Moulin Yarns]

One of the things I don't understand is how can a tunnel, presumably concrete, 'float' 50m below the surface? Anchored to the seabed and suspended from pontoons. Why not just join the pontoons to make a floating bridge/causeway.

If it is suspended midsea it will have to be flexible to allow for currents and tides.

[Scorrie]

They’d still be blocked by orange marching bands in July like the ferries out of Stranraer!

[Ozyhibby]

One of the things I don't understand is how can a tunnel, presumably concrete, 'float' 50m below the surface? Anchored to the seabed and suspended from pontoons. Why not just join the pontoons to make a floating bridge/causeway.

If it is suspended midsea it will have to be flexible to allow for currents and tides.

There has to be room for shipping to sail over it.


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[marinello59]

https://youtu.be/0Zlz3N5MA50

Pretty sure one of the Norwegian ones is 27m long. I would think the Irish Sea is a bit rougher than the fjords though.

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I know it’s unlikely to ever happen but as a concept I love it. I’m not so’s sure it’s needed though , the priority should be spending money providing better ferry / road services to our more remote communities.

[Ozyhibby]

I know it’s unlikely to ever happen but as a concept I love it. I’m not so’s sure it’s needed though , the priority should be spending money providing better ferry / road services to our more remote communities.

I love it as well. When you see the projects that are going on in Norway and the Faroes it shows how unimaginative we are in connecting Scotland.


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[CropleyWasGod]

I love it as well. When you see the projects that are going on in Norway and the Faroes it shows how unimaginative we are in connecting Scotland.


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I'd suggest it's less about imagination and more about finance. As societies, we have decided we have different priorities. Denmark and Norway don't have nuclear weapons, for one thing.

[Renfrew_Hibby]

These types of bridges/tunnels are or will be commonplace in Norway as they continue to build their Atlantic Coast Highway, one of Europes most spectacular engineering projects.

Just shows you what small countries can achieve. The infrastructure outside of the M25 in the UK really is appalling, certainly no 'Great' in Great Britain any more.

[Billy Whizz]

These types of bridges/tunnels are or will be commonplace in Norway as they continue to build their Atlantic Coast Highway, one of Europes most spectacular engineering projects.

Just shows you what small countries can achieve. The infrastructure outside of the M25 in the UK really is appalling, certainly no 'Great' in Great Britain any more.

They are a very rich country though, which helps

[Ozyhibby]

They are a very rich country though, which helps

True. Wish we had had some oil.[emoji22]


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[Glory Lurker]

True. Wish we had had some oil.[emoji22]


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You must be too young to remember- we found some the same time Norway did but ours ran out within ten years.

[Keith_M]

I'd suggest it's less about imagination and more about finance. As societies, we have decided we have different priorities. Denmark and Norway don't have nuclear weapons, for one thing.


Plus Norway has an incredibly large fund built from the proceeds of it's oil fields... which it didn't have to share with a much larger neighbour.

[StevieC]

Hopefully it's as cool as the underwater tunnels in the Faroes:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-55195390

A new bridge to connect an independent Scotland and a United Ireland is a very generous leaving gift from the UK. Beats flowers anyway.

I can remember seeing the construction sites for the Faroes project when we were over for the football. Even their land tunnels, that went straight through the middle of mountains, were quite impressive.

[JeMeSouviens]

I love it as well. When you see the projects that are going on in Norway and the Faroes it shows how unimaginative we are in connecting Scotland.


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There is currently a consultation on giving Argyll a much better trunk road connection because the A82 over the Rest and Be Thankful (between Loch Lomond and Inverary) keeps getting blocked by landslides. Some of the proposals are full on infra-crazy. Tunnels under the Firth of Clyde etc.

I guess if you don't have to stump up for your share of connecting London with Crossrail you can do more of this sort of thing. :wink:

[norhfc]

A tunnel direct to Europe would be of huge benefit to Scotland.

[Keith_M]

So, what plans have the UK Gov put forward so far for this bridge?

Have they decided yet if the Border Controls that will/won't be put in place should be located in Northern Ireland, Scotland or slap bang in the middle?

[Moulin Yarns]

There is currently a consultation on giving Argyll a much better trunk road connection because the A82 over the Rest and Be Thankful (between Loch Lomond and Inverary) keeps getting blocked by landslides. Some of the proposals are full on infra-crazy. Tunnels under the Firth of Clyde etc.

I guess if you don't have to stump up for your share of connecting London with Crossrail you can do more of this sort of thing. :wink:

As I was goint to Argyll at the beginning of November I was interested in this, 11 possible options were drawn up, the preferred option is a bridge over Loch Long at Garelochhead, but I agree, some fairly strange proposals. Having said thatm Transport Scotland, and other large organisations always have their preferred option and throw crazy ideas to ensure that's what is chosen (I know from working on the current A9 works)

https://www.transport.gov.scot/publication/project-corridor-options-access-to-argyll-and-bute-a83/


(https://www.transport.gov.scot/publication/project-corridor-options-access-to-argyll-and-bute-a83/)
FWIW I don't see anything wrong with the Rest and Be Thankfull that a roof over the road wouldn't solve.

[Ozyhibby]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m000z1mj


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[One Day Soon]

There is currently a consultation on giving Argyll a much better trunk road connection because the A82 over the Rest and Be Thankful (between Loch Lomond and Inverary) keeps getting blocked by landslides. Some of the proposals are full on infra-crazy. Tunnels under the Firth of Clyde etc.

I guess if you don't have to stump up for your share of connecting London with Crossrail you can do more of this sort of thing. :wink:

Do we?

[Mon Dieu4]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m000z1mj


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Put a border in the sea, we will go under it, I swear they've had that chat

[wookie70]

I'd suggest it's less about imagination and more about finance. As societies, we have decided we have different priorities. Denmark and Norway don't have nuclear weapons, for one thing.
Yep, we have chose to spend money on war and the rich while far better nations than us share it about for the good of citizens. We are ultimately a society built on greed and selfishness

[JeMeSouviens]

Do we?

I must've thought so, but I could well have been wrong. wtfdik anyway?

[Hibrandenburg]

Yep, we have chose to spend money on war and the rich while far better nations than us share it about for the good of citizens. We are ultimately a society built on greed and selfishness

:agree: And living outside the UK looking in makes that much more apparent.

[Stairway 2 7]

If the UK want to chip in and if a design comes up that can overcome the problems. Surely a great idea to have a road or rail link to Ireland.

[Ozyhibby]

If the UK want to chip in and if a design comes up that can overcome the problems. Surely a great idea to have a road or rail link to Ireland.

If it was the South of England that was being connected to anywhere, it would be built by now.
I’m all for it. Zero chance Johnson can deliver it though. It would need political will all round and that is just not there.


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[Jack]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m000z1mj


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At half the cost of a failed track and trace system it almost sounds like a bargain!

[Ozyhibby]

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This is a disaster.[emoji35]


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[Bostonhibby]

Despite spending tens of millions consulting with his chums on the project Bozo couldn't get a bridge over the Thames started so this distraction was never going to happen.

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[Radium]

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[Kato]

I wonder how much was spent on this one?

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[Keith_M]

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This is a disaster.[emoji35]


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I have never been so shocked!


Now excuse me while I go to my room, close the curtains and cry for a while

[ronaldo7]

I'm shocked that the man who couldn't build a bridge over the Thames, failed to build one from Scotland to NI.

[Ozyhibby]

I’m shocked that when it came to cutting costs in infrastructure that the UK govt cut a project in Scotland before HS2 in the south of England.[emoji849]


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[Bostonhibby]

I'm shocked that the man who couldn't build a bridge over the Thames, failed to build one from Scotland to NI.It's a good thing, if it cost £43m to talk to selected consultants and experts and not lay a brick for the garden bridge he's probably already spent trillions with Nasty party donors on this fantasy.

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[lapsedhibee]

This is a disaster.

McGonagall should write a poem about it.

[ballengeich]

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This is a disaster.[emoji35]


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It would have made travel to Old Firm games and Orange walks so much easier.

[ronaldo7]

Union Jack will be devastated.

https://twitter.com/PhantomPower14/status/1437732446179663878

[Northernhibee]

Maybe he could build one to Melbourne so his majestic trade deal may actually be worth something?

[Bostonhibby]

Maybe he could build one to Melbourne so his majestic trade deal may actually be worth something?Matt Hancock's pub landlord would be the ideal man to be awarded this contract, after an appropriately competitive tendering process obviously.

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[Ozyhibby]

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I thought this was already dead but they seem to have killed the idea again.[emoji23]


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[Bostonhibby]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20211120/3522a7b900458fc18dc84e8c25bf6194.jpg

I thought this was already dead but they seem to have killed the idea again.[emoji23]


Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkThat'll be the other bridge, bozo was going to build one for going over to N.Ireland and one for coming back.

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[Kato]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20211120/3522a7b900458fc18dc84e8c25bf6194.jpg

I thought this was already dead but they seem to have killed the idea again.[emoji23]


Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkScottish Tories were encouraging people to be "optimistic" about this one. Maybe being optimistic about snake oil isn't all that good an idea.

I wonder who made cash out of this one. Some PR companies, the people pretending to do so some feasibility studies.

Utter rubbish.

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[Jack]

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I thought this was already dead but they seem to have killed the idea again.[emoji23]


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That will be a U U turn before the turn off then?

[Bostonhibby]

To be fair on Bozo, he wanted to be popular in the Isle of Man so the consultants involved here probably charged for a feasibility study to run the whole thing via there.

Bozo's just realised where the isle of Man is.

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[AltheHibby]

This bridge will end up not being built as many times as Hearts were relegated.

[Kato]

This bridge will end up not being built as many times as Hearts were relegated.Same with the Chair-O-Plane service to the Isle of Man, the Dodgem Car to Bute and Helter-Skelter over to Burntisland.

Utter fantasy, madey-up pish to distract people from the shop front they are making of the country whilst dipping into every trick in the book to fill their own pockets.

Banal tricksters.

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[McSwanky]

Maybe he'll build us a bridge to Peppa Pig World instead?

[Radium]

The bridge, like the bus, like peppy pig is all about distraction and filling up limited news slots with fluff whilst the real business of protecting rich interests, lining the pockets of pals and steadily giving control of the NHS to private firms continues in the background


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[lapsedhibee]

Bargain.

https://news.sky.com/story/boris-johnsons-study-into-scotland-northern-ireland-bridge-cost-taxpayers-900-000-12521095

[Paul1642]

If the price was going to be right this wasn’t a bad idea. Anything that reduces air miles is a good thing and in the hopefully near future when many trucks are electric this would be a great was to transport goods all around the British isles in an eco friendly way. At the end of the day the cost was to high but I don’t think it is a bad thing to have looked into the idea.

[JeMeSouviens]

If the price was going to be right this wasn’t a bad idea.

It was such a bad idea precisely because it was stark staringly obvious that the price was going to be nowhere near right. Sometimes you don't need to pay consultants £1M to tell you **** stinks.

[Bostonhibby]

It was such a bad idea precisely because it was stark staringly obvious that the price was going to be nowhere near right. Sometimes you don't need to pay consultants £1M to tell you **** stinks.Bargain when you consider the non existent and much much smaller scale Garden Bridge which was Bozo's pet project cost £43m in consultant and advisers fees only for nothing to happen.


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[Paul1642]

Bargain when you consider the non existent and much much smaller scale Garden Bridge which was Bozo's pet project cost £43m in consultant and advisers fees only for nothing to happen.


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How do you go about getting a job as a consultant. Asking for a friend….

[Bostonhibby]

How do you go about getting a job as a consultant. Asking for a friend….A donation to the nasty party seems to help.....

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[Glory Lurker]

Bargain when you consider the non existent and much much smaller scale Garden Bridge which was Bozo's pet project cost £43m in consultant and advisers fees only for nothing to happen.


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That just shows his disdain for Scotland. How come something involving us isn't allowed to cost millions before he gets telt? It's not even 0.5 million, once we split it with NI.

[Bostonhibby]

That just shows his disdain for Scotland. How come something involving us isn't allowed to cost millions before he gets telt? It's not even 0.5 million, once we split it with NI.I think it's just naivety on Bozo's part.

He should have put Matt Hancock's favourite publican in charge of both these bridge's then the British public could have had their erse properly felt.

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[stu in nottingham]

I think it's just naivety on Bozo's part.

He should have put Matt Hancock's favourite publican in charge of both these bridge's then the British public could have had their erse properly felt.

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Hooray! If you weren't going to say it then I was. :thumbsup:

That man has absolutely sweat blood for the nation's cause this past two years.

[Bostonhibby]

Hooray! If you weren't going to say it then I was. [emoji106]

That man has absolutely sweat blood for the nation's cause this past two years.Jeez, I never even knew the nasties were fast tracking contracts for their pals blood at market rate plus through as well.

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