McGinn extends Villa stay

[J-C]

Aston Villa on Twitter: ""It was an easy choice." 💜 @JMcGinn7 sat down with VillaTV after extending his Aston Villa contract until 2025! 🙌 #McGinn2025" / Twitter (https://twitter.com/AVFCOfficial/status/1337475266520739841)

As it says.

[The 90+2]

Very good news all round.

[CockneyRebel]

Very good news all round.


How is that good news all round? Good for him and for Villa but good for Hibs? Do we get more dosh if he plays over a certain number of games? If not then it's better for Hibs if he transfers surely? Am I missing something here(wouldn't be the first time)?

[Sir David Gray]

How is that good news all round? Good for him and for Villa but good for Hibs? Do we get more dosh if he plays over a certain number of games? If not then it's better for Hibs if he transfers surely? Am I missing something here(wouldn't be the first time)?

I'd be surprised if he stays there until 2025 but it will hopefully mean he goes for a bigger fee meaning more money for Hibs.

[Ceebs]

How is that good news all round? Good for him and for Villa but good for Hibs? Do we get more dosh if he plays over a certain number of games? If not then it's better for Hibs if he transfers surely? Am I missing something here(wouldn't be the first time)?

Great news, did the same with his stay with us, ensures Villa any suiters will pay big money in my opinion.

[HoboHarry]

How is that good news all round? Good for him and for Villa but good for Hibs? Do we get more dosh if he plays over a certain number of games? If not then it's better for Hibs if he transfers surely? Am I missing something here(wouldn't be the first time)?
I'd be a little surprised if the wasn't a transfer buy out amount written in. Villa protecting their investment....

[The 90+2]

How is that good news all round? Good for him and for Villa but good for Hibs? Do we get more dosh if he plays over a certain number of games? If not then it's better for Hibs if he transfers surely? Am I missing something here(wouldn't be the first time)?

He’s likely to be sold for more in the future now instead of running down his contract.

[theonlywayisup]

How is that good news all round? Good for him and for Villa but good for Hibs? Do we get more dosh if he plays over a certain number of games? If not then it's better for Hibs if he transfers surely? Am I missing something here(wouldn't be the first time)?

As others have said, as he winds down his contract the likely sell fee will get less and less.

Now, if he continues to improve as he's done so far, a much bigger team will come in and offer big money.

So good news for McGinn and good news for Hibs.

[SquashedFrogg]

I'd be surprised if he stays there until 2025 but it will hopefully mean he goes for a bigger fee meaning more money for Hibs.

Pretty much what most are thinking.

[Billy Whizz]

Pretty much what most are thinking.

He’s 26 now though, so he’ll have to move in the next year and or so, for Villa to get big money for him

[SouthMoroccoStu]

2 contract extensions in a very short period
£80m plus player now
Imagine if he was english....

[The Spaceman]

Great news. If Villa do sell him it’ll be for a huge amount with a windfall for us. If he stays at Villa I’d still be happy as well as the guy is a Hibs Legend and owes us nothing after giving so much. Either way it was an outstanding piece of business by us and watching him go from strength to strength has been an utter joy and privilege.

[The 90+2]

He’s 26 now though, so he’ll have to move in the next year and or so, for Villa to get big money for him

Brendan Rodgers will take him to arsenal I reckon.

[Onceinawhile]

I don't think he'll go anywhere unless villa get relegated. He's a good mid table premiership player, but he's not a "top 6" player.

Realistically, what team better than villa would want him?

[Fergus52]

I don't think he'll go anywhere unless villa get relegated. He's a good mid table premiership player, but he's not a "top 6" player.

Realistically, what team better than villa would want him?

I reckon in the right system and with the right coach he could be.

Many folk wouldn't have called Henderson or Wijnaldum top 6 players not so long ago and look at them now.

He could definitely have done a job for Man U or Arsenal when you look at some of the CMs they've been playing in recent years.

[Onceinawhile]

I reckon in the right system and with the right coach he could be.

Many folk wouldn't have called Henderson or Wijnaldum top 6 players not so long ago and look at them now.

He could definitely have done a job for Man U or Arsenal when you look at some of the CMs they've been playing in recent years.

That's a fair point. He's certainly better than mctominay, or elneny.

[theonlywayisup]

I don't think he'll go anywhere unless villa get relegated. He's a good mid table premiership player, but he's not a "top 6" player.

Realistically, what team better than villa would want him?

I don't agree that he's not a "top 6" player.

I'm sure many 'experts' would have looked at Robertson at Hull and said good player, but never "top 6^.

I think he would fit in well into a Klopp side. I don't think he would interest either Manchester teams or Chelsea, so you are mostly correct in your statement. He's good enough to play for a Spurs or a Leicester at the moment. Again, don't think Arsenal would go for him.

[HoboHarry]

I don't agree that he's not a "top 6" player.

I'm sure many 'experts' would have looked at Robertson at Hull and said good player, but never "top 6^.

I think he would fit in well into a Klopp side. I don't think he would interest either Manchester teams or Chelsea, so you are mostly correct in your statement. He's good enough to play for a Spurs or a Leicester at the moment. Again, don't think Arsenal would go for him.
He's more than good enough for Manchester United at this time.

[Unseen work]

I can’t see him being sold by villa.

They don’t need the money and would demand a huge fee, more than many would be willing to pay I’d imagine.

[Just_Jimmy]

That's a fair point. He's certainly better than mctominay, or elneny.I said that over two years ago about mctominey when mourinho was at utd and I watched them every week in person and got shot down.

he's miles better than mctominey.

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[gbhibby]

I don't agree that he's not a "top 6" player.

I'm sure many 'experts' would have looked at Robertson at Hull and said good player, but never "top 6^.

I think he would fit in well into a Klopp side. I don't think he would interest either Manchester teams or Chelsea, so you are mostly correct in your statement. He's good enough to play for a Spurs or a Leicester at the moment. Again, don't think Arsenal would go for him.

If he has a good euros especially against England teams will take notice.

[lord bunberry]

Very good news all round.
Agreed. SJM is a club legend and his career is more important than any sell on fee we might get. He’s more than paid his way for us. Having said that a new contract will only increase his fee if he does leave Villa.

[J-C]

How is that good news all round? Good for him and for Villa but good for Hibs? Do we get more dosh if he plays over a certain number of games? If not then it's better for Hibs if he transfers surely? Am I missing something here(wouldn't be the first time)?

Large contract usually means making sure they get a very decent fee for him.

[Onceinawhile]

If he has a good euros especially against England teams will take notice.

Who will?

Realistically that hasn't seen him already?

[Glory Lurker]

All of this is speculation upon speculation upon nonsense. Pointless.

We should be focusing on us not triggering the buy-back-for-£150K clause we inserted in the sale deal instead.

[Brightside]

£2m

[Michael]

Who will?

Realistically that hasn't seen him already?

You always see signings on basis of a strong international tournament. People that run clubs are human and they buy the hype.

[The 90+2]

You always see signings on basis of a strong international tournament. People that run clubs are human and they buy the hype.

See Graham Taylor and De La Cruz 👌

[The 90+2]

Agreed. SJM is a club legend and his career is more important than any sell on fee we might get. He’s more than paid his way for us. Having said that a new contract will only increase his fee if he does leave Villa.

💚

[Aldo]

2 contract extensions in a very short period
£80m plus player now
Imagine if he was english....

I really do wonder what the sell on clause is. I remember Bruce saying it’s the best he’s seen??

20% is £16 million!! We can only dream!


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[danhibees1875]

I really do wonder what the sell on clause is. I remember Bruce saying it’s the best he’s seen??

20% is £16 million!! We can only dream!


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But 30% is £24M - so we'd end up being due st mirren £8M!

[The 90+2]

But 30% is £24M - so we'd end up being due st mirren £8M!

I think regardless of how happy he is at Aston Villa McGinn would leave if it was anything like that for St Mirren. He just seems that type of person.

[Stuart93]

I think regardless of how happy he is at Aston Villa McGinn would leave if it was anything like that for St Mirren. He just seems that type of person.

Hmm no sure about that. I reckon he leaves for another club based on how good a move it is for his career without even thinking about st mirren or probably hibs for that matter

[Kato]

I don't think he'll go anywhere unless villa get relegated. He's a good mid table premiership player, but he's not a "top 6" player.

Realistically, what team better than villa would want him?

He's like a goldfish, the bigger the bowl the bigger he grows.

[JammyDoidger]

I honestly don't believe John McGinn would look out of place in any side, great player he's got everything.

[Aldo]

But 30% is £24M - so we'd end up being due st mirren £8M!

Do we actually know that??


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[The dalmeny]

Agreed. SJM is a club legend and his career is more important than any sell on fee we might get. He’s more than paid his way for us. Having said that a new contract will only increase his fee if he does leave Villa.

This, sell on fee is a bonus

[MWHIBBIES]

Agreed. SJM is a club legend and his career is more important than any sell on fee we might get. He’s more than paid his way for us. Having said that a new contract will only increase his fee if he does leave Villa.

To me, Hibs are far more important than John mcginns career. Love the guy but Hibs comes miles in front. Couldnt care less if he gets sold to Alaska as long as we get a good bit of money.

[LeithMike]

Agreed. SJM is a club legend and his career is more important than any sell on fee we might get. He’s more than paid his way for us. Having said that a new contract will only increase his fee if he does leave Villa.Great post. The lad will have his pick of clubs in the next year or so. Would love to see SJM play under Klopp and see how that would take him on. I'm sure Andy Robertson will be in Klopp's ear about him.

Would be worried if he ended up at Man Utd as they seem a bit purposeless.

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[Keith_M]

Selfish Prick.

What about Hibs' sell on money?

[Keith_M]

Do we actually know that??



Apparently the contract is weighted so much in St Mirren's favour that if SJM even got a Parking Ticket then St Mirren are entitled to 15%.

[Aldo]

Apparently the contract is weighted so much in St Mirren's favour that if SJM even got a Parking Ticket then St Mirren are entitled to 15%.

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[Is It On....]

2 contract extensions in a very short period
£80m plus player now
Imagine if he was english....


Celtic monitoring the situation ? 😂

[MWHIBBIES]

2 contract extensions in a very short period
£80m plus player now
Imagine if he was english....

Gotta be honest, no one is paying 80m for him. Hes not that good.

[jacomo]

Gotta be honest, no one is paying 80m for him. Hes not that good.


He’s better than Pogba. But less fashionable and without such an aggressive agent.

[Lancs Harp]

He’s better than Pogba. But less fashionable and without such an aggressive agent.

and less a world cup winners medal of course :wink:

[MWHIBBIES]

He’s better than Pogba. But less fashionable and without such an aggressive agent.

Pure talent wise, he isn't close to Pogba. He's never produced a level of performance that Pogba has on his best day. His mentality is of course miles ahead of Pogba.

[jacomo]

Pure talent wise, he isn't close to Pogba. He's never produced a level of performance that Pogba has on his best day. His mentality is of course miles ahead of Pogba.


I’m being a bit tongue in cheek. But if you look at their contributions for their respective clubs over the past two seasons there is only one winner and it’s not the french guy.

[J-C]

But 30% is £24M - so we'd end up being due st mirren £8M!

No one knows that, as far as I know St Mirren have had their share in full.

[Green Reaper]

Brendan Rodgers will take him to arsenal I reckon.

Watching the North London derby last week I was thinking sjm was exactly the kind of player Arsenal were needing

[dalkeith stu]

and less a world cup winners medal of course :wink:

Thomas Lemar aslo has a world cup winners medal but i still wouldn't put him in our starting XI!!

[vercol36]

and less a world cup winners medal of course :wink:


...yet.

[Lancs Harp]

Thomas Lemar aslo has a world cup winners medal but i still wouldn't put him in our starting XI!!

Hey dont get me wrong Im not exactly Pogba's greatest fan, I think the lad is talented but he needs to work on his application. He is talented though and I thought him having a World Cup winners medal was at least worth throwing into the discussion.

[danhibees1875]

No one knows that, as far as I know St Mirren have had their share in full.

I don't think I made my joke clear enough there - I was saying, jokingly, that we'd end up giving more money than what we were receiving but got my words mixed up!

[J-C]

I don't think I made my joke clear enough there - I was saying, jokingly, that we'd end up giving more money than what we were receiving but got my words mixed up!

👍

[Shrekko]

Gotta be honest, no one is paying 80m for him. Hes not that good.

I wonder if Hull and Leicester fans ever expected anyone to pay £80 million for Harry McGuire?

You never know these days!

If he was to be sold it would be for mega-money - that's for sure.

[green with envy]

I don't think he'll go anywhere unless villa get relegated. He's a good mid table premiership player, but he's not a "top 6" player.

Realistically, what team better than villa would want him?

I really do believe that he could hold his own playing with a 'top six' team.

[CMurdoch]

Can't see anyone paying more than £30 million for McGinn

[HoboHarry]

Gotta be honest, no one is paying 80m for him. Hes not that good.

Neither is Harry Maguire but that didn't stop Man Utd paying that amount for him.

[hibee-boys]

I can only see John moving on from villa if they get relegated, they’ll not sell him whilst they are in the EPL and John’s not the type that would run down his contract forcing a sale. They sell Mcginn and recoup what, 30 to 40 million?.......good luck replacing him in today’s market with that!!

[Iain G]

Great post. The lad will have his pick of clubs in the next year or so. Would love to see SJM play under Klopp and see how that would take him on. I'm sure Andy Robertson will be in Klopp's ear about him.

Would be worried if he ended up at Man Utd as they seem a bit purposeless.

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Replacwment for that waste of space Pogba and he would be first name on the Man Utd teamsheet

[Fergus52]

Can't see anyone paying more than £30 million for McGinn

Fees for players going between premiership teams are ridiculously inflated right now.

Plenty of players worse than mcginn have been going for £40/£50 million plus recently.

[MWHIBBIES]

Fees for players going between premiership teams are ridiculously inflated right now.

Plenty of players worse than mcginn have been going for £40/£50 million plus recently.

Who are these players?

[Magpie]

If he performs well at the Euro’s there will definitely be further interest. I’d be surprised if there haven’t been enquiries about him already, I think Villa will value him at least £50m.

[Shrekko]

Can't see anyone paying more than £30 million for McGinn

If anyone offered £30 million for McGinn Villa would laugh their heads off.

Very surprised at some of the comments on this thread in the context of prices in England. There are numerous examples of players who've cost well in excess of that who have done nothing or very little in the EPL. Joelinton at £40 million?

Untried English RESERVE players are going for £20 million.... Dominic Solanke Liverpool to Bournmouth for instance-£19 million...Rhian Brewster to Sheffield United - £24 million!!

McGinn is highly rated in England- bidding would start at £45 million plus.

[HoboHarry]

If anyone offered £30 million for McGinn Villa would laugh their heads off.

Very surprised at some of the comments on this thread in the context of prices in England. There are numerous examples of players who've cost well in excess of that who have done nothing or very little in the EPL. Joelinton at £40 million?

Untried English RESERVE players are going for £20 million.... Dominic Solanke Liverpool to Bournmouth for instance-£19 million...Rhian Brewster to Sheffield United - £24 million!!

McGinn is highly rated in England- bidding would start at £45 million plus.
Not to mention 20 million for the galoot that is McBurnie.....

[tamig]

I'd be surprised if he stays there until 2025 but it will hopefully mean he goes for a bigger fee meaning more money for Hibs.

Insurance. Guaranteed huge fee with that length of contract. Good for Villa and us.

[tamig]

If anyone offered £30 million for McGinn Villa would laugh their heads off.

Very surprised at some of the comments on this thread in the context of prices in England. There are numerous examples of players who've cost well in excess of that who have done nothing or very little in the EPL. Joelinton at £40 million?

Untried English RESERVE players are going for £20 million.... Dominic Solanke Liverpool to Bournmouth for instance-£19 million...Rhian Brewster to Sheffield United - £24 million!!

McGinn is highly rated in England- bidding would start at £45 million plus.

Exactly. Some folk seem to be a big ignorant of the English market.

[MagicSwirlingShip]

40-50m a realistic valuation IMO.

No one is paying 80million for John McGinn. Not now, not ever.

[MWHIBBIES]

Exactly. Some folk seem to be a big ignorant of the English market.

What players like McGinn have gone for over 45 million?

Macguire aside, who is actually a very decent player as shown yesterday. Obviously not worth that but nowhere near as bad as folk make out.

[Since90+2]

If anyone offered £30 million for McGinn Villa would laugh their heads off.

Very surprised at some of the comments on this thread in the context of prices in England. There are numerous examples of players who've cost well in excess of that who have done nothing or very little in the EPL. Joelinton at £40 million?

Untried English RESERVE players are going for £20 million.... Dominic Solanke Liverpool to Bournmouth for instance-£19 million...Rhian Brewster to Sheffield United - £24 million!!

McGinn is highly rated in England- bidding would start at £45 million plus.

Timo Werner went to Chelsea for £47 million and he is a German international and forward who tend to attract the highest prices. He's also 2 years younger than McGinn.

Why would the bidding for McGinn start at almost the same price as Werner went for? Remember that the season prior to signing for Chelsea he was the top scorer in the one of the best leagues in the world.

Diego Jota is also 2 years younger than McGinn and is a Portuguese international, he went to Liverpool for £40 million.

Donny Van Den Beek signed from Ajax to Man Utd for £35 million. He is 3 years younger than McGinn and a Dutch international.

Giovanni Lo Celso signed for Spurs for £28 million from Betis, he's an Argentinian international and 2 years younger than McGinn.

This idea that McGinn is going for over £45 million is fantasy.

[WeeRussell]

What players like McGinn have gone for over 45 million?

Macguire aside, who is actually a very decent player as shown yesterday. Obviously not worth that but nowhere near as bad as folk make out.

Folk correctly make out that 80m was a ridiculous price to pay for a player of Maguire’s quality. The same thing you’re doing with McGinn.

I agree that both are/would be silly money. Maguire still the more ridiculous in my opinion.

[HoboHarry]

Timo Werner went to Chelsea for £47 million and he is a German international and forward who tend to attract the highest prices. He's also 2 years younger than McGinn.

Why would the bidding for McGinn start at almost the same price as Werner went for?

Diego Jota is also 2 years younger than McGinn and is a Portuguese international, he went to Liverpool for £40 million.

Donny Van Den Beek signed from Ajax to Man Utd for £35 million. He is 3 years younger than McGinn and a Dutch international.

Giovanni Lo Celso signed for Spurs for £28 million from Betis, he's an Argentinian international and 2 years younger than McGinn.

This idea that McGinn is going for over £45 million is fantasy.

Werner had a release clause of 47M which Chelsea activated and it may well be that some of the others did too..

[theonlywayisup]

Timo Werner went to Chelsea for £47 million and he is a German international and forward who tend to attract the highest prices. He's also 2 years younger than McGinn.

Why would the bidding for McGinn start at almost the same price as Werner went for?

Diego Jota is also 2 years younger than McGinn and is a Portuguese international, he went to Liverpool for £40 million.

Donny Van Den Beek signed from Ajax to Man Utd for £35 million. He is 3 years younger than McGinn and a Dutch international.

Giovanni Lo Celso signed for Spurs for £28 million from Betis, he's an Argentinian international and 2 years younger than McGinn.

This idea that McGinn is going for over £45 million is fantasy.

Without wanting to appear condescending any deal needs a seller, who's willing to sell, and a buyer, who's willing to buy. Depending on ones personal circumstances will dictate how much either party is willing to compromise to get the deal done.

I can see why someone may pay £45m plus for him. However, the buyer may think that there are better options elsewhere, like abroad. But spending £45m plus on a foreign player comes with a degree of risk!

Back to my buyer/seller comment. Why did Sunderland pay £10m (I think) for Gordon, when there was better/cheaper options around?

[The Modfather]

Timo Werner went to Chelsea for £47 million and he is a German international and forward who tend to attract the highest prices. He's also 2 years younger than McGinn.

Why would the bidding for McGinn start at almost the same price as Werner went for? Remember that the season prior to signing for Chelsea he was the top scorer in the one of the best leagues in the world.

Diego Jota is also 2 years younger than McGinn and is a Portuguese international, he went to Liverpool for £40 million.

Donny Van Den Beek signed from Ajax to Man Utd for £35 million. He is 3 years younger than McGinn and a Dutch international.

Giovanni Lo Celso signed for Spurs for £28 million from Betis, he's an Argentinian international and 2 years younger than McGinn.

This idea that McGinn is going for over £45 million is fantasy.

There’s a premium on British players and transfers between English clubs. Some of the buys from championship clubs like Watkins for £27m or McBurnie Adam Webster, Bowen, Maupay for £20m. Or unproven guys like Brewster, £23m etc mean it isn’t that unrealistic to envision McGinn going for silly money of £40m or £50m with those premiums in mind, IMO.

[tamig]

What players like McGinn have gone for over 45 million?

Macguire aside, who is actually a very decent player as shown yesterday. Obviously not worth that but nowhere near as bad as folk make out.

The point is that the EPL transfer market is ridiculous. Reserve players going for 20m+. Its daft. John McGinn is building a fantastic reputation for himself down there and there will be plenty clubs glad to pay in excess of 40m for his services.

[Andy74]

The point is that the EPL transfer market is ridiculous. Reserve players going for 20m+. Its daft. John McGinn is building a fantastic reputation for himself down there and there will be plenty clubs glad to pay in excess of 40m for his services.

He would have been £40m better spent by Man U than Van de Beek, who they didn’t really need.

[jacomo]

The point is that the EPL transfer market is ridiculous. Reserve players going for 20m+. Its daft. John McGinn is building a fantastic reputation for himself down there and there will be plenty clubs glad to pay in excess of 40m for his services.


Fair enough. Stupid money but Harry Maguire does show that top English clubs will pay it.

[Fergus52]

Who are these players?

Benteke - £40mill. Haller - £45mill. Mustafi - £37mill. Carroll - £35mill. Joelinton - £40mill. Xhaka - £35mill. Mangala - £41mill. Lacazette - £45mill. Jorginho - £50mill. Fred - £50mill. Kepa - £70mill. Pepe - £70mill.

Need anymore mate?

[jacomo]

He would have been £40m better spent by Man U than Van de Beek, who they didn’t really need.


:agree:

[MWHIBBIES]

Benteke - £40mill. Haller - £45mill. Mustafi - £37mill. Carroll - £35mill. Joelinton - £40mill. Xhaka - £35mill. Mangala - £41mill. Lacazette - £45mill. Jorginho - £50mill. Fred - £50mill. Kepa - £70mill. Pepe - £70mill.

Need anymore mate?

You think Jorginho is worse than McGinn? Yikes.

I think all of those players, excluding Joelinton and Carroll, all showed as much or more than McGinn has at the time of their transfers. No doubt some have been big flops but McGinn could quite easily be as well.

Jorginho was probably the best midfielder in Serie A, Lacazette scoring tons in France, Kepa chased by Real Madrid, Pepe 22 goals in France, Xhaka captain of a huge club in Germany, Mustafi a world cup winner, Benteke keeping Villa up on his own.

McGinn is good and him counting as homegrown would add money to his fee but he isn't as good as folk are making out. Probably only the 3rd best midfielder at Villa, after Grealish and Luiz.

[Hibbyradge]

2 contract extensions in a very short period
£80m plus player now
Imagine if he was english....

Imagine he was Spanish.

Or Brazilian.

[Fergus52]

You think Jorginho is worse than McGinn? Yikes.

I think all of those players, excluding Joelinton and Carroll, all showed as much or more than McGinn has at the time of their transfers. No doubt some have been big flops but McGinn could quite easily be as well.

Jorginho was probably the best midfielder in Serie A, Lacazette scoring tons in France, Kepa chased by Real Madrid, Pepe 22 goals in France, Xhaka captain of a huge club in Germany, Mustafi a world cup winner, Benteke keeping Villa up on his own.

McGinn is good and him counting as homegrown would add money to his fee but he isn't as good as folk are making out. Probably only the 3rd best midfielder at Villa, after Grealish and Luiz.

Not saying McGinn is better than Jorginho, but in many teams he'd be more useful/effective. Arsenal are my English team and if you offered me them both right now I'd take McGinn every day - Jorginho too similiar to xhaka and ceballos so depends what your squad needs.

Absolutely not having that one - ask any villa fan who their most important player is after Grealish and they all say McGinn. I don't think theres anyone who watches villa regularly who would say Luiz is better.

[DetroitHibs]

Man Utd paid 47 million for Fred. SJM is a far superior player IMO and much more valuable.

[0762]

An agent friend tells me the sell on is not 30% as someone has suggested but instead is 15% of the value over the initial transfer fee which was £3m.
What he couldn't tell me was if we'd have to pay St Mirren anything on a sell on (which was 1/3rd of the fee when Hibs transferred McGinn to Villa).
He also highlighted that Hibs had a similar deal on the Scott Brown transfer to Celtic - great on paper but Scott Brown never left Celtic so worthless.

Fingers cross McGinn continues to establish himself in the Premiership and a big move comes that will make him for life.....and Hibs a tidy sell-on.

[Shrekko]

You think Jorginho is worse than McGinn? Yikes.

I think all of those players, excluding Joelinton and Carroll, all showed as much or more than McGinn has at the time of their transfers. No doubt some have been big flops but McGinn could quite easily be as well.

Jorginho was probably the best midfielder in Serie A, Lacazette scoring tons in France, Kepa chased by Real Madrid, Pepe 22 goals in France, Xhaka captain of a huge club in Germany, Mustafi a world cup winner, Benteke keeping Villa up on his own.

McGinn is good and him counting as homegrown would add money to his fee but he isn't as good as folk are making out. Probably only the 3rd best midfielder at Villa, after Grealish and Luiz.

Grealish will probably go for around £80 million if sold so maybe not the best way to illustrate your point. Luiz is a Brazilian international at 22 so again even if your debatable opinion on that is true it doesn't mean a lot.

A lot of factors determine the price- length of contract, buy-out clauses, players wishes etc etc. but there are a few factors that will drive the price up if McGinn was sold (I dont think he will be for a good while) He's on a long contract and his financially stable club don't want to lose him for starters. There's also the fact he's proven himself already at EPL and international level. i think the big thing he has though is his style of play - there will always be a need for energy players in the UK. The fact is he has a bit of everything.

We can argue all day over who he's better than and who he's not but I think it's fairly obvious he'd be better value for money than a lot of the players already mentioned and really that is the only argument required to prove that it's at least probable that if he was sold it would be for a fee in the region of what we're talking about. It's either that or he won't be sold because theres no way Villa sell him for the same as other clubs are getting for 19 year old subs!

[Phil MaGlass]

40-50m a realistic valuation IMO.

No one is paying 80million for John McGinn. Not now, not ever.

Before he left us I can sort of remember some folk on here were saying he wisnae worth 3 million.

[gbhibby]

Who will?

Realistically that hasn't seen him already?
When I posted was thinking not only EPL clubs but other European clubs.

[mixumatosis]

I said that over two years ago about mctominey when mourinho was at utd and I watched them every week in person and got shot down.

he's miles better than mctominey.

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Aye, Mctominay's pish, right enough 🤣

[Phil MaGlass]

Anyone think we might get an extra few quid due to them staying up, amount of games played for Villa or any other extras?

[Since452]

Anyone think we might get an extra few quid due to them staying up, amount of games played for Villa or any other extras?

He's a 50 million minimum player now

[04Sauzee]

Looks twice the player that Ngolo K ante is tonight.

[coco22]

Getting great plaudits from commentators. He’s just doing a McGinn but he’s up against arguably one of the best midfielders in the world. ‘Bulldozer...more than dynamic...more than up for it!’

[The Count]

You have to remember that he is not with a smaller English club he is with a big club already.So as i see it to get big bucks for him there is only really 6 buyers in England.

[Phil MaGlass]

Definitely having a good game, great chance that rattled the bar

[Callum_62]

Definitely having a good game, great chance that rattled the barGreat effort rather than great chance

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[BroxburnHibee]

Was outstanding tonight.

[Hibeesforever]

McGinn got the man of the match award, so the boy done good!

[Robbo6-2]

MOM at Stamford Bridge,what a player.

He actually looks like hes stepped up level this season.

[Shrekko]

It’s amazing that some Hibs fans still don’t seem to believe what a player he is.

Unbelievable what he did tonight seeing as he played 2 days ago in a team who played with 10 men for 60 mins. Absolute beast of a player- could play for any team in Britain.

[mjhibby]

Can’t see him being at villa next season. Arsenal or Chelsea are crying out for a player like him. I’d even say Klopp could be interested if wijnaldum leaves. His passing has improved and his speed of thought too. I forgot of course fergie will be telling ole to sign him. Think he’s just becoming as top player and we could get a game changing amount of money if he goes. Whether villa sell is another matter.

[BroxburnHibee]

Can’t see him being at villa next season. Arsenal or Chelsea are crying out for a player like him. I’d even say Klopp could be interested if wijnaldum leaves. His passing has improved and his speed of thought too. I forgot of course fergie will be telling ole to sign him. Think he’s just becoming as top player and we could get a game changing amount of money if he goes. Whether villa sell is another matter.

Yeah I think Man U would be a good fit for him. Especially if he keeps putting in performances like tonight.

[greenginger]

Can’t see him being at villa next season. Arsenal or Chelsea are crying out for a player like him. I’d even say Klopp could be interested if wijnaldum leaves. His passing has improved and his speed of thought too. I forgot of course fergie will be telling ole to sign him. Think he’s just becoming as top player and we could get a game changing amount of money if he goes. Whether villa sell is another matter.

Might have a sale figure in his new contract .

[mjhibby]

There’s a premium on British players and transfers between English clubs. Some of the buys from championship clubs like Watkins for £27m or McBurnie Adam Webster, Bowen, Maupay for £20m. Or unproven guys like Brewster, £23m etc mean it isn’t that unrealistic to envision McGinn going for silly money of £40m or £50m with those premiums in mind, IMO.

Indeed. I’m sure he’s being talked about at a few clubs and virtually every villa game the pundits are raving about him. My money is on Man Utd for over £50m as they don’t hesitate when someone like McGinn becomes available. Plus he will hopefully still keep improving. I’m amazed can’t see just how good he’s become.

[Billy Whizz]

John’s one of the players who needs to play every week. He gets that at Villa
I’m not sure these squad rotations at some of the top clubs would suit him

[3pm]

Post match quite classy too.

[Shrekko]

John’s one of the players who needs to play every week. He gets that at Villa
I’m not sure these squad rotations at some of the top clubs would suit him

Do you really think if one of the Champions League teams came calling and Villa accepted the bid that he’d say no?

Squad rotation just means some players play 50 games a season instead of 60.

He’d back himself to be a regular and wouldn’t turn down the chance to play for trophies at the highest level. He’s 26 now - and he’s ready.

[Billy Whizz]

Do you really think if one of the Champions League teams came calling and Villa accepted the bid that he’d say no?

Squad rotation just means some players play 50 games a season instead of 60.

He’d back himself to be a regular and wouldn’t turn down the change to play for trophies at the highest level. He’s 26 now - and he’s ready.

I’m not saying he’d turn it down, just that McGinn is one of these players that wants to play every game

[Wembley67]

Exactly. JM is a fantastic player but that doesn't mean he is going to suddenly slot into a top six team. Maybe this is his level? Look at say Zaha for example. Great at Palace but was utter pish Man U.

[mjhibby]

Yeah I think Man U would be a good fit for him. Especially if he keeps putting in performances like tonight.

Love to see him playing alongside Bruno Fernandes.They would be a dynamite midfield. Btw is sjm good enough to get in the sellick team yet.🤣🤣🤣

[worcesterhibby]

Exactly. JM is a fantastic player but that doesn't mean he is going to suddenly slot into a top six team. Maybe this is his level? Look at say Zaha for example. Great at Palace but was utter pish Man U.

Zaha has the ability, but not the attitude...SJM has a brilliant attitude

[mjhibby]

Do you really think if one of the Champions League teams came calling and Villa accepted the bid that he’d say no?

Squad rotation just means some players play 50 games a season instead of 60.

He’d back himself to be a regular and wouldn’t turn down the chance to play for trophies at the highest level. He’s 26 now - and he’s ready.

McGinn is loyal but there will come a time he’ll move on. It all depends on what his ambitions are. With a contract worth £8/9m at villa money isn’t the issue. If we wants to be playing champions league and fighting for titles then he will move. Doubt he’ll move in January but come the summer with the lack of crowds draining teams of money then I suspect villa will get serious bids for him. Time will tell but John seems to have made the correct move each time he’s transferred and I’m sure he’ll do so again. Remember Robertson and tierney plus McGinn and Mctominay have shown how good Scottish players can be. I’d obviously like a big windfall for us but just be happy for John to go to a big club and see what he can do.

[MWHIBBIES]

Exactly. JM is a fantastic player but that doesn't mean he is going to suddenly slot into a top six team. Maybe this is his level? Look at say Zaha for example. Great at Palace but was utter pish Man U.

He played 4 games for Man United. Very harsh to call him pish

[Saint Hibee]

Rightly or wrongly, Villa very much already consider themselves a “big club.” They’ve shown with Grealish that they’re serious about holding onto their best players.

[Keyser Sauzee]

He’s got the quality to earn a move to any team but I think the price tag Villa would want will stop him moving.

[3pm]

I don't see him moving.

Could see him playing for Mourinho though.

[BroxburnHibee]

From Twitter.....

"How we got you for 2.5 million I’ll never know 🦁🦁🦁"

[Wembley67]

He played 4 games for Man United. Very harsh to call him pish

Nope, he was pish for them. If he was half decent he would still be there.

[MWHIBBIES]

Nope, he was pish for them. If he was half decent he would still be there.

He played 4 matches, mate. Man United made plenty of transfer mistakes in that time.

[Wembley67]

He played 4 matches, mate. Man United made plenty of transfer mistakes in that time.

They did make many mistakes and if Zaha was such a good player if not man u then another big club would have taken him. Ps I'm not anti Zaha...just an example of a player at the right level of club 🙂

[HoboHarry]

They did make many mistakes and if Zaha was such a good player if not man u then another big club would have taken him. Ps I'm not anti Zaha...just an example of a player at the right level of club 🙂
He's in the same camp as Morelos for me. Every transfer window his club make noises about fending off bids because he's so valuable but noone ever comes in for him anyway. Over rated by quite a way IMHO.

[hibbysam]

He's in the same camp as Morelos for me. Every transfer window his club make noises about fending off bids because he's so valuable but noone ever comes in for him anyway. Over rated by quite a way IMHO.

Overrated? His stats speak for themselves this season. In a dire Palace team, he basically holds them together. Something like 8 goals and 2 assists in 14 games so far.

[HoboHarry]

Overrated? His stats speak for themselves this season. In a dire Palace team, he basically holds them together. Something like 8 goals and 2 assists in 14 games so far.

And still none of the big clubs try to buy him which was what I was saying. Nor could he get picked for England.

[hibbysam]

And still none of the big clubs try to buy him which was what I was saying.

You compared him to Alfredo Morelos. Zaha is one of the most important players in the Premier League in terms of their worth to his side. There really is nothing overrated about him. A top quality player, don’t it for a fairly crap team.

Both arsenal and Everton have had concrete bids rejected for him last summer.

[HoboHarry]

You compared him to Alfredo Morelos. Zaha is one of the most important players in the Premier League in terms of their worth to his side. There really is nothing overrated about him. A top quality player, don’t it for a fairly crap team.
I didn't compare him to Morelos, I was comparing their respective teams efforts to sell them.

[hibbysam]

I didn't compare him to Morelos, I was comparing their respective teams efforts to sell them.

So are you suggesting that Everton never bid £70m for him? Or Arsenal £40m last summer? Interesting.

[MWHIBBIES]

They did make many mistakes and if Zaha was such a good player if not man u then another big club would have taken him. Ps I'm not anti Zaha...just an example of a player at the right level of club 🙂

Clubs have tried.

[Scott Allan Key]

The EPL is so open this season. Aston Villa might fancy doing a Leicester and if not, will still fancy the Champions League. Him and Grealish are two of the best midfielders in Britain and Villa don't need to sell.

I wouldn't be surprised if McGinn went to a 'traditional' Champions League Club if Villa fail in their realistic ambitions. But Arsenal and Chelsea are faultering at the moment and that leaves Liverpool, Man U and Spurs. Don't see him as a City player or going sideways to Everton either.

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[Aldo]

And still none of the big clubs try to buy him which was what I was saying. Nor could he get picked for England.

Zaha needs to be the big fish in the small pond imho. At Man U he was a minnow in a massive pond. They were also going through a period of transition and as it has been proved, the wrong move for him!

When a team the size of Man U comes in for you, you don’t turn them down, especially when you are 22/23.

He’s a really good player but not sure he’s good enough for a Liverpool, Chelsea or City type team.


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[Since90+2]

Zaha is a quality player. His stats have been as good as most wingers in that league consistently for years.

[theonlywayisup]

Zaha is a quality player. His stats have been as good as most wingers in that league consistently for years.

Scored a good goal yesterday. He does look like a good player, whenever I've watched him. But I always feel that there's something not quite right about him that makes him a superstar. Maybe, he needs to play with better players.

[Shrekko]

Comparing Zaha to McGinn isn't exactly like for like. Zaha was just a boy when he went to Man Utd and their playing styles and personalities aren't really comparable!

There are plenty of players who proved themselves at clubs like Villa who went on to do great things at bigger clubs -Ashley Young, James Milner, Gareth Barry etc. I've no idea why anyone would assume that if McGinn went to a 'top 6' club he'd fail?

Villa themselves might end up a top 6 club pretty soon the way things are going and I don't think anyone would argue that McGinn is a big part of that.

Box to box midfield dynamos are rare commodities these days- something the analysts referred to on several occasions last night. There are no guarantees in football but McGinn tends to rise to whatever challenge he faces. Really surprised that ANY Hibs fan would talk him down.

[jacomo]

And still none of the big clubs try to buy him which was what I was saying. Nor could he get picked for England.


Maybe they did but Palace’s valuation was too high? Maybe he’s happy enough and will only leave for enormous wages?

Zaha was perceived to have flopped at Man Utd, which may give ‘big’ clubs doubts, although he was young when he went there and didn’t get a huge amount of opportunities.

[Lendo]

Aston Villa (@AVFCOfficial) Tweeted: "We are very fortunate to be able to go and do what we love, which a lot of people aren't getting to do at the moment, so we're not taking that for granted." 💯

@JMcGinn7 joined VillaTV following his outstanding display at Stamford Bridge last night. 🗣️ https://t.co/2LA0F81nmp

Brilliant interview from John after the Chelsea game. Such a humble and honest bloke. Villa really don’t know how lucky they are to have him in their dressing room.

[Hibby70]

https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/john-mcginn-aston-villa-chelsea-19533149.amp

[Tarrahib]

Aston Villa (@AVFCOfficial) Tweeted: "We are very fortunate to be able to go and do what we love, which a lot of people aren't getting to do at the moment, so we're not taking that for granted." 💯

@JMcGinn7 joined VillaTV following his outstanding display at Stamford Bridge last night. 🗣️ https://t.co/2LA0F81nmp

Brilliant interview from John after the Chelsea game. Such a humble and honest bloke. Villa really don’t know how lucky they are to have him in their dressing room.
I think Villa really do know how lucky they are to have him in their dressing room.