Boring

[Stuart93]

Not a feeling I often get with hibs.

I’m honestly unsure if it’s because we’re not able to attend the games or if it’s just the way we’ve been playing but I find myself quite bored actually watching us.

Like I said I’m not sure if it’s cause we’re constricted to watching it on tv or if it’s the dull & slow tempo we seem to be playing with.

Frustrating

[Phil MaGlass]

A bit of both, empty stadiums is killing it, and were not very good.

[matty_f]

Not a feeling I often get with hibs.

I’m honestly unsure if it’s because we’re not able to attend the games or if it’s just the way we’ve been playing but I find myself quite bored actually watching us.

Like I said I’m not sure if it’s cause we’re constricted to watching it on tv or if it’s the dull & slow tempo we seem to be playing with.

Frustrating

Football in general feels more boring now, it’s horrible without fans.

Tonight wasn’t great, it seemed a very flat performance and that’s despite 4 goals in the game and Hibs coming from behind twice.

[Stuart93]

Football in general feels more boring now, it’s horrible without fans.

Tonight wasn’t great, it seemed a very flat performance and that’s despite 4 goals in the game and Hibs coming from behind twice.

Aye I think I’m with you there. Probably a bit of both.

I’d usually watch the English games on a Sunday as well but I’ve really not been fussed for them. Really is nout without fans.

[Gatecrasher]

I actually thought it was an entertaining game, both teams having a go, plenty of chances at each end, some nice play and passing. I feel we need to win these games if we want to finish third and its disappointing from that perspective.

[Chorley Hibee]

Not a feeling I often get with hibs.

I’m honestly unsure if it’s because we’re not able to attend the games or if it’s just the way we’ve been playing but I find myself quite bored actually watching us.

Like I said I’m not sure if it’s cause we’re constricted to watching it on tv or if it’s the dull & slow tempo we seem to be playing with.

Frustrating

Turned it off after the 2nd St Johnstone goal.

We are horrible to watch and I completely agree with you about being bored by it.

It's not an isolated performance either, this is now synonymous with Hibs under Jack Ross.

[bingo70]

Not a feeling I often get with hibs.

I’m honestly unsure if it’s because we’re not able to attend the games or if it’s just the way we’ve been playing but I find myself quite bored actually watching us.

Like I said I’m not sure if it’s cause we’re constricted to watching it on tv or if it’s the dull & slow tempo we seem to be playing with.

Frustrating

I agree.

I’m sure people will be along soon to point out stats that would say we’re not boring but I’m the same as you.

3rd in the league so everything says we shouldn’t be complaining but it does just feel a bit **** just now.

I know this won’t be popular and I know it’s ridiculous but I’m not sure I’ve forgiven this side for the semi final loss yet. It’s not a conscious decision I’ve made to be like this, I’ve just lost interest in Hibs games since that match.

[Stuart93]

I agree.

I’m sure people will be along soon to point out stats that would say we’re not boring but I’m the same as you.

3rd in the league so everything says we shouldn’t be complaining but it does just feel a bit **** just now.

I know this won’t be popular and I know it’s ridiculous but I’m not sure I’ve forgiven this side for the semi final loss yet. It’s not a conscious decision I’ve made to be like this, I’ve just lost interest in Hibs games since that match.

Yea I’m not too sure if it’s been after that match considering how important it was to us or if it’s the longer the season goes on without fans/us being there is making me start to feel a bit meh towards it. It’s not the way I want to feel & like you say should be more than happy with 3rd but not sure what it is

[Golden Bear]

Turned it off after the 2nd St Johnstone goal.

We are horrible to watch and I completely agree with you about being bored by it.

It's not an isolated performance either, this is now synonymous with Hibs under Jack Ross.

My thoughts exactly.

[Peevemor]

Not a feeling I often get with hibs.

I’m honestly unsure if it’s because we’re not able to attend the games or if it’s just the way we’ve been playing but I find myself quite bored actually watching us.

Like I said I’m not sure if it’s cause we’re constricted to watching it on tv or if it’s the dull & slow tempo we seem to be playing with.

FrustratingI'm not having a go, but right from the start tonight you posted almost exclusively negative comments. You're not alone, and I think that not being able to attend matches & as well as all the other stuff going on at the moment is really taking it's toll.

[Phil MaGlass]

I'm not having a go, but right from the start tonight you posted almost exclusively negative comments. You're not alone, and I think that not being able to attend matches & as well as all the other stuff going on at the moment is really taking it's toll.

Jees I posted similar on another thread almost at the same time

[Stuart93]

I'm not having a go, but right from the start tonight you posted almost exclusively negative comments. You're not alone, and I think that not being able to attend matches & as well as all the other stuff going on at the moment is really taking it's toll.

I’m a negative poster in general and do tend to pipe up a lot more when things aren’t going well, probably not the way I should be but is what it is.

But lately I’ve felt that way x10 and it’s funny that it’s only really towards the football I’ve been like that.

[Peevemor]

I’m a negative poster in general and do tend to pipe up a lot more when things aren’t going well, probably not the way I should be but is what it is.

But lately I’ve felt that way x10 and it’s funny that it’s only really towards the football I’ve been like that.I honestly think that dropped points and especially a loss has the same or perhaps an even more negative effect than usual, but we're getting nothing like the same feel good boost from our wins.

It's not easy.

[Pretty Boy]

Had I been at the game after a couple of pints I probably would have quite enjoyed that albeit been disappointed with the result.

As it was I had the sound down and was more invested in the Bake Off final. Football on a screen without fans is boring. Hibs style at times isn't helping but it's not the main reason I'm bored of it. Football in general has bored me for years but Hibs have been the exception to that; without the physical connection watching Hibs bores me as well now.

[B.H.F.C]

I agree.

I’m sure people will be along soon to point out stats that would say we’re not boring but I’m the same as you.

3rd in the league so everything says we shouldn’t be complaining but it does just feel a bit **** just now.

I know this won’t be popular and I know it’s ridiculous but I’m not sure I’ve forgiven this side for the semi final loss yet. It’s not a conscious decision I’ve made to be like this, I’ve just lost interest in Hibs games since that match.

100% agree with your last paragraph. The semi final was always going to have that type of impact on people (despite a select number of posters continually telling people how the should be feeling about it and how ridiculous that type of reaction was).

We carried an element of luck early in the season that we’re not getting now. Even if you think of the reverse fixture in Perth, they had a perfectly good goal ruled out and we got a last minute penalty. I’m not saying that we were just lucky, we were obviously doing some things well.

Not going is probably contributing to my lack of enjoyment but, the odd game aside, I’ve alway felt we play a bit within ourselves, without enough urgency and intensity. And, sadly, still without a midfield most of the time.

[calumhibee1]

I agree.

I’m sure people will be along soon to point out stats that would say we’re not boring but I’m the same as you.

3rd in the league so everything says we shouldn’t be complaining but it does just feel a bit **** just now.

I know this won’t be popular and I know it’s ridiculous but I’m not sure I’ve forgiven this side for the semi final loss yet. It’s not a conscious decision I’ve made to be like this, I’ve just lost interest in Hibs games since that match.

Likewise

Whilst league position wise we shouldn't be complaining I honestly find it difficult to sit and watch us just now. Must have spent big chunks of tonight just fannying about on my phone rather than watching the game. It's just dull as anything.

Whether not being there is a big factor in that I've no idea, but I didn't find us this boring to watch in games on TV before. The style of football just now is just absolutely chronic imo. Doesn't help that our most exciting players in Boyle and Allan have been either absolutely useless or missing completely all season. Also doesn't help having the least mobile midfield I think we could have compiled. Just feels like there's no energy, excitement or flair about this team and best case scenario is they'll just grind out some results.

Also, losing the semi final and then the rotten run we've been on since hasn't helped one bit. Even what should have been a good result against Celtic we somehow managed to make feel like a defeat.

[J-C]

It was a similar argument Sunderland fans had with Ross, they were solid enough but lacked penetration and set his team up to be stuffy and a bit boring to watch. I posted the stats from season 18-19 at Sunderland and they had 19 draws, only scoring 80 goals in 46 games with 47 against, that's less than 2 goals a game and 1 goal against per game, very tight stats. Lots of 1-1 and 2-2 draws.

[bingo70]

I honestly think that dropped points and especially a loss has the same or perhaps an even more negative effect than usual, but we're getting nothing like the same feel good boost from our wins.

It's not easy.

Do you not think there’s similarities with the atmosphere around when we had Heckingbottom?

Heckingbottom made a terrific start results wise and did well to get us in the top 6 but all it took was one really placid display against Celtic in the cup and a lot of people just gave up on him.

I’m not so sure it’s just down to fans not being in the ground, don’t think he’s really captured the imagination of the Hibs fans so far, despite a more than decent return points wise. The result against Hearts won’t have helped either, there’ll be a lot of folk that won’t ever be able to look last that.

[K-Zazu]

It’s cos there’s no fans

[bingo70]

100% agree with your last paragraph. The semi final was always going to have that type of impact on people (despite a select number of posters continually telling people how the should be feeling about it and how ridiculous that type of reaction was).

We carried an element of luck early in the season that we’re not getting now. Even if you think of the reverse fixture in Perth, they had a perfectly good goal ruled out and we got a last minute penalty. I’m not saying that we were just lucky, we were obviously doing some things well.

Not going is probably contributing to my lack of enjoyment but, the odd game aside, I’ve alway felt we play a bit within ourselves, without enough urgency and intensity. And, sadly, still without a midfield most of the time.

Couldn’t agree more about the lack of intensity in midfield. Hopefully Magennis can address that when he’s back fully fit.

[Phil MaGlass]

Were in a good place to kick on though, Ross must see where the problems lie and rectify.

[Hiber-nation]

I'm not enjoying watching Hibs at the moment and its not all down to the nightmare of having to watch on TV.

I'm not sure how much the boring aspect is down to the manager. I've said this a million times on here but we simply don't have enough players that are really comfortable on the ball so we just can't keep it. And if we can't keep it I'd rather we were boring and scrappy than plain crap. Still not good enough though.

[Peevemor]

Do you not think there’s similarities with the atmosphere around when we had Heckingbottom?

Heckingbottom made a terrific start results wise and did well to get us in the top 6 but all it took was one really placid display against Celtic in the cup and a lot of people just gave up on him.

I’m not so sure it’s just down to fans not being in the ground, don’t think he’s really captured the imagination of the Hibs fans so far, despite a more than decent return points wise. The result against Hearts won’t have helped either, there’ll be a lot of folk that won’t ever be able to look last that.Under Heckingbottom the players always appeared shackled by his tactics/instructions. I don't get that impression under JR. It's pretty clear that the squad is too thin and our midfield are misfiring. Maybe Magennis will help. A consistently form Martin Boyle certainly would.

His signings have been generally pretty good, so maybe we'll see the best of JR after the summer?

[DaveF]

Turned it off after the 2nd St Johnstone goal.

We are horrible to watch and I completely agree with you about being bored by it.

It's not an isolated performance either, this is now synonymous with Hibs under Jack Ross.

We can be too slow and very frustrating but we are not horrible to watch. Butchers Hibs were horrible. This is not.

We have issues to address but horrible?

[Snedz]

Had I been at the game after a couple of pints I probably would have quite enjoyed that albeit been disappointed with the result.

As it was I had the sound down and was more invested in the Bake Off final. Football on a screen without fans is boring. Hibs style at times isn't helping but it's not the main reason I'm bored of it. Football in general has bored me for years but Hibs have been the exception to that; without the physical connection watching Hibs bores me as well now.

:rolleyes:

Bake off final when Hibs are on the box. At the wind up shirley.

I wasn't in the slightest bit bored, I just wanted to see my beloved Hibs grab a winner. Never tire of it watching us, win lose or draw.

[B.H.F.C]

Were in a good place to kick on though, Ross must see where the problems lie and rectify.

Crap as I think it is to watch at the moment, you can’t argue that we’re not in a reasonable position. League form hasn’t been great for the best part of a couple of months now, we need to change that quickly.

Regarding the problems, the biggest on is still down to personnel in the middle of the park for me. We’ve obviously not really had a chance to see if Magennis is the one to help with that, but then again he started him on the left wing in the semi final. We’re still short of options in the squad and there is only one way to rectify that.

[Cod Boy]

We would be miles ahead at the top if it was touches of the ball from central defenders

[JimBHibees]

We can be too slow and very frustrating but we are not horrible to watch. Butchers Hibs were horrible. This is not.

We have issues to address but horrible?

Some of the stuff is good. You can see what they are trying to do however we do make a lot of basic mistakes and lack composure. Bit more bravery on the ball needed.

[bingo70]

Were in a good place to kick on though, Ross must see where the problems lie and rectify.

We’re third in the league so from his perspective there’s not really a lot to rectify.

Personnel wise we’ve got Boyle, Murphy, Nisbet, Newell, Magennis and possibly Allan that can be considered quite exciting attacking players so I’m not sure the problems the fans are seeing are easily addressed with a good transfer window.

I think to get the fans on board we need start seeing more high energy football, can’t remember what that daftie that got hearts relegated called it but when it works well that’s what I think the Hibs fans crave. Yes, I’m aware of the irony of asking for a style of football that saw Hearts relegated last season while the manager who took over us at the same time has had significantly more success.

[Chorley Hibee]

We can be too slow and very frustrating but we are not horrible to watch. Butchers Hibs were horrible. This is not.

We have issues to address but horrible?

I genuinely don't enjoy watching us at all right now and I don't see it changing anytime soon.

I honestly thought that was utter garbage tonight, the lack of intensity, the dreadful passing, the kamikaze defending, the missing midfield - it was all dismal.

It's becoming all too familiar now and I don't have faith in Ross to change his play it safe attitude.

[wookie70]

Agree with most that the football isn't great but to me not being there and also the lack of fans in terms of atmosphere and also making the players perform has completely killed football as a spectacle.

[DaveF]

I genuinely don't enjoy watching us at all right now and I don't see it changing anytime soon.

I honestly thought that was utter garbage tonight, the lack of intensity, the dreadful passing, the kamikaze defending, the missing midfield - it was all dismal.

It's becoming all too familiar now and I don't have faith in Ross to change his play it safe attitude.

We did all that and do need to improve, but you missed out the good play we had (and there was some) and the goals we scored.

All you have done is focus on negatives.

[DaveF]

Some of the stuff is good. You can see what they are trying to do however we do make a lot of basic mistakes and lack composure. Bit more bravery on the ball needed.

Yep. The poor passing and therefore constant possession turnover is very frustrating.

[greenlex]

We can be too slow and very frustrating but we are not horrible to watch. Butchers Hibs were horrible. This is not.

We have issues to address but horrible?
This.
I don’t get the Sunderland comparison regards draws either. It’s not like we were set out to defend and he even took off our only real defensive midfielder and put on a striker. JR isn’t on the pitch defending poorly or indeed missing chances up top either.

[gaz1875]

Not so sure it's boring, definitely frustrating. The amount of misplaced passes when we are in great positions is really annoying. I do think fans encouraging the players going forward would be a huge boost.

[BSEJVT]

I am not sure I would have described that as boring, extraordinarily poor maybe.

That was a game in which IMO Hibs were individually and collectively terrible with very very few bright spots.

I am sure the conditions played a significant part but St J handled them far better.

They never gave Hibs a moment on the ball and were IMO the better and more dangerous team

As far as I am concerned that was definitely a point gained.

Team deserve credit for sticking in on a really bad night at office and getting a result.

Lack of depth in squad is killing us

[danhibees1875]

:rolleyes:

Bake off final when Hibs are on the box. At the wind up shirley.

I wasn't in the slightest bit bored, I just wanted to see my beloved Hibs grab a winner. Never tire of it watching us, win lose or draw.

Your loss. The boy was trying to do chequered biscuits and ended up cutting them into stripes!

[Chorley Hibee]

We did all that and do need to improve, but you missed out the good play we had (and there was some) and the goals we scored.

All you have done is focus on negatives.

I gave up watching after 75 minutes so missed the equaliser.

IMO the negatives outweigh the positives, that's why we've just stumbled to a draw at home to St Johnstone.

It's been this way for a while with me.

[Cat Stanton]

Lots of adjectives could be used to describe recent performances, but "boring" most certainly isn't one of them. And certainly anyone using that word didn't live through the Berti Auld or early Alex Miller eras..

There's obviously an element of general crapness with the lack of fans and atmosphere, but that's a different issue.

Also I get the sense there is a small group of people on here desperate to have a go at Jack Ross at any opportunity. And it's really not an attitude I understand. I genuinely think history will judge us as very lucky to have had him. Even looking back to just over a year ago, the difference in quality of squad and overall performances compared to when Heckingbottom was in charge is night and day.

[Pretty Boy]

Your loss. The boy was trying to do chequered biscuits and ended up cutting them into stripes!

I didn't much like him. Came across as a bit smug. I wanted Dave to win. On the whole though Peter probably deserved it.

[blackpoolhibs]

I will take 3rd place and boring every day.

[DaveF]

I gave up watching after 75 minutes so missed the equaliser.

IMO the negatives outweigh the positives, that's why we've just stumbled to a draw at home to St Johnstone.

It's been this way for a while with me.

So you are ignoring any good play you did see in favour of the negatives?

Fair enough, maybe you need to stop watching for a while if you are not willing to see any good at all in the team.

I'm not disputing we are inconsistent and have problems to address btw. But we are not garbage.

[Wheat Hound]

:rolleyes:

Bake off final when Hibs are on the box. At the wind up shirley.

I wasn't in the slightest bit bored, I just wanted to see my beloved Hibs grab a winner. Never tire of it watching us, win lose or draw.

Where I am too mate 👍

[Partyraiser]

I dont find watching us boring, I always look forward to watching us play even if watching on tv isnt the same. However I do think we're seriously missing a bit of dynamism in the midfield. Hopefully Magennis can add that.

[calumhibee1]

What is it folk are expecting Magennis to add to this team btw? When he signed everyone was talking about him being all action, a bit like McGinn etc (I’m aware he was never going to be as good of course) yet when he’s played he hasn’t really looked like what we’re missing imo. We badly need legs in that midfield. Newell, Gogic and Mallan are about the least mobile midfield trio I can think of.

[Chorley Hibee]

Lots of adjectives could be used to describe recent performances, but "boring" most certainly isn't one of them. And certainly anyone using that word didn't live through the Berti Auld or early Alex Miller eras..

There's obviously an element of general crapness with the lack of fans and atmosphere, but that's a different issue.

Also I get the sense there is a small group of people on here desperate to have a go at Jack Ross at any opportunity. And it's really not an attitude I understand. I genuinely think history will judge us as very lucky to have had him. Even looking back to just over a year ago, the difference in quality of squad and overall performances compared to when Heckingbottom was in charge is night and day.

I want nothing more than Hibs to be successful, and I speak as someone who witnessed the many turgid years under Alex Miller.

I also want Jack Ross to be successful, but I'm not alone in finding his brand of football thus far boring and uninspiring, a bit like his own demeanour if truth be told.

I hope he proves me wrong, but I genuinely don't think his style is suited to managing Hibs.

Time will tell if I'm right or wrong on that.

[B.H.F.C]

What is it folk are expecting Magennis to add to this team btw? When he signed everyone was talking about him being all action, a bit like McGinn etc (I’m aware he was never going to be as good of course) yet when he’s played he hasn’t really looked like what we’re missing imo. We badly need legs in that midfield. Newell, Gogic and Mallan are about the least mobile midfield trio I can think of.

I’m not sure what I expect from him. The position he played in the semi final, and up at Ross County, concerned me. It felt like we were trying to get him in the team rather than him coming in to play a specific role. Time will tell but we need him fit and contributing soon.

[Pretty Boy]

Let's be honest if we were living through the Alex Miller era again people would be on here insisting we weren't boring. They would point to O'Neil, Jackson, McCallister, McGinlay and later Harper as proof of that and point out a draw at home to a stuffy St Johnstone team was nothing to be upset about.

That's not a dig. It's just a reflection that football has always been like this. Some fans will try to see the best in any team, others will see the worst in the best teams.

[Snedz]

Where I am too mate ��

Thank goodness for that. Thought I'd logged onto Knit n Natter by mistake :greengrin

Couldn't care less that there were no fans in the ground either. I was too busy watching the game and willing us on to win. Not to be but that's life as the late Frank Sinatra used to belt out.

[Chorley Hibee]

So you are ignoring any good play you did see in favour of the negatives?

Fair enough, maybe you need to stop watching for a while if you are not willing to see any good at all in the team.

I'm not disputing we are inconsistent and have problems to address btw. But we are not garbage.

I'm not ignoring good football, the truth is that there was very, very little of it on show for the 75 minutes I witnessed.

If people believe otherwise then that's their opinion, but it's not my idea of what I want to see.

[The Captain....]

Im not bored watching us but it can be very frustrating. The players have to take their share of the blame. The number of unforced errors from some of them is really beginning to get on my nerves. No manager can legislate for that. It seems remarkable we're 3rd in the league as I think we're very average quality wise, with only 2 or 3 real stand outs.

[Zambernardi1875]

Let's be honest if we were living through the Alex Miller era again people would be on here insisting we weren't boring. They would point to O'Neil, Jackson, McCallister, McGinlay and later Harper as proof of that and point out a draw at home to a stuffy St Johnstone team was nothing to be upset about.

That's not a dig. It's just a reflection that football has always been like this. Some fans will try to see the best in any team, others will see the worst in the best teams.

Would they play in this team )

[DaveF]

I'm not ignoring good football, the truth is that there was very, very little of it on show for the 75 minutes I witnessed.

If people believe otherwise then that's their opinion, but it's not my idea of what I want to see.

Murphy was decent tonight and so was, ER, umm, well no one else really 😁

As I've said, we are frustrating but not anywhere near horrible to watch and I think you are letting your negativity run wild.

Saturday might be better :-0

[Chorley Hibee]

Murphy was decent tonight and so was, ER, umm, well no one else really 😁

As I've said, we are frustrating but not anywhere near horrible to watch and I think you are letting your negativity run wild.

Saturday might be better :-0

I agree with your comment about Murphy, the fact nobody else was mentioned sums up my assessment of the game.

Let's hope Saturday is an improvement.

[WhileTheChief..]

I agree.

I’m sure people will be along soon to point out stats that would say we’re not boring but I’m the same as you.

3rd in the league so everything says we shouldn’t be complaining but it does just feel a bit **** just now.

I know this won’t be popular and I know it’s ridiculous but I’m not sure I’ve forgiven this side for the semi final loss yet. It’s not a conscious decision I’ve made to be like this, I’ve just lost interest in Hibs games since that match.

Feel the same here.

Can’t explain why as I like Jack Ross and the majority of the squad are decent.

Results for the most part have been good but we’re boring as hell to watch and half the time I find myself doing something else whilst the game is on. Usually I’d be fully engrossed in the game with no distractions.

Rarely read any match reports or watch any highlights and only really keep an eye on here for any news.

Everything about the club just feels flat.

[Carheenlea]

Its not just Hibs fans who are saying this.

Without fans football is exposed as being a bit of a dull sport these days. It`s the fans that contribute to making the game a more attractive spectacle. 22 men tippy tapping the ball about in a pedestrian manner in neat triangles with the occasional hoof thrown in is a hard watch.

[wookie70]

Murphy was decent tonight and so was, ER, umm, well no one else really 😁

As I've said, we are frustrating but not anywhere near horrible to watch and I think you are letting your negativity run wild.

Saturday might be better :-0

Murphy definitely got me up on the edge of my seat but he was as guilty of wasting his final ball as the rest. Mackie actially put in more effective crosses and Nisbet did well with the very few balls that came his way. Murphy has so much ability but he needs to combine that with output like the Celtc game. Tonight he created very little out of his superb runs bar a terrible ball to Nisbet who hooked over

[B.H.F.C]

Its not just Hibs fans who are saying this.

Without fans football is exposed as being a bit of a dull sport these days. It`s the fans that contribute to making the game a more attractive spectacle. 22 men tippy tapping the ball about in a pedestrian manner in neat triangles with the occasional hoof thrown in is a hard watch.

I’ve enjoyed a lot of the English games I’ve watched this season. I’ve not really noticed much of a difference watching them on the telly. I do notice a difference watching Hibs on the telly, because it’s not something I normally do!

[hfcok]

We think we are better than what we are, as results have went for us, also still suffering a hangover over the semi defeat.

[Snedz]

Its not just Hibs fans who are saying this.

Without fans football is exposed as being a bit of a dull sport these days. It`s the fans that contribute to making the game a more attractive spectacle. 22 men tippy tapping the ball about in a pedestrian manner in neat triangles with the occasional hoof thrown in is a hard watch.

You're post reminded me of the days back in the late seventies/early eighties especially when we were relegated. It was post the Tornadoes and the crowds had tumbled dramatically. However, the die hards who went to every game particularly the away games had a certain camaraderie. We watched some dreadful football/footballers but we'd turn up to watch the Hi bees every week in life travelling here there and everywhere no matter the weather or how far away it was. I watched the game on the computer tonight, couldn't care less if there were no fans there or that the football wasn't brilliant. I just wanted Hibs to win. I've been quite shocked at some of the comments on here tonight regarding apathy and boring etc. But then we never had the internet back then of course.

[MrRobot]

we’ve put ourselves in a good position in the table but we’re just so unexciting to watch and have been for the majority of the season. very little creativity, playing rank football pumping it up long to nisbets head and expecting him to be able to do something with it.

we are missing scott allan an unreal amount.

[Peevemor]

You're post reminded me of the days back in the late seventies/early eighties especially when we were relegated. It was post the Tornadoes and the crowds had tumbled dramatically. However, the die hards who went to every game particularly the away games had a certain camaraderie. We watched some dreadful football/footballers but we'd turn up to watch the Hi bees every week in life travelling here there and everywhere no matter the weather or how far away it was. I watched the game on the computer tonight, couldn't care less if there were no fans there or that the football wasn't brilliant. I just wanted Hibs to win. I've been quite shocked at some of the comments on here tonight regarding apathy and boring etc. But then we never had the internet back then of course.That's when I started going regularly, during our first spell in the then 1st division with Bertie Auld as manager - and people are moaning about the football we're watching now?

People moaning about some of our players now obviously never seen Stuart Turnbull in action.

[Cameron1875]

Ross inherited a shambles of a situation that Hecky had left and has only had 2 transfer windows to try and fix it. In the main I think his recruitment has been brilliant and we have a much better team than say this time last year.

A pandemic, a smaller squad, and no fans probably means we won't get the exciting football we all want. However top 4 at this stage is a pretty decent achievement for me.

Just my opinion but the players letting Jack Ross down are the ones that were already here pre Hecky so once they are shifted on then we'll hopefully get even better. McGregor in particular tonight was actually quite upsetting to watch.

[Hibs90]

Scraped a few wins at the start of the season and papering over the cracks. Now that form has levelled out the weaknesses are beginning to show and I feel like we are a mid table side and that's probably where we will end up come the end of the season. The football is utterly brutal to watch which you can live with if winning games but once the wins dry up it becomes tiresome very quickly. Not to mention the derby defeat which was utterly unacceptable.

File Ross under the Fenlon category of Hibs managers. Just once I'd like to see us go out, play attacking football and win a game at home 3 or 4 nil.

Ross job will be safe unless a Butcheresque collapse of form happens and to be honest I don't know if I can be arsed watching turgid football all the time and not getting wins

[USAHibee]

Scraped a few wins at the start of the season and papering over the cracks. Now that form has levelled out the weaknesses are beginning to show and I feel like we are a mid table side and that's probably where we will end up come the end of the season. The football is utterly brutal to watch which you can live with if winning games but once the wins dry up it becomes tiresome very quickly. Not to mention the derby defeat which was utterly unacceptable.

File Ross under the Fenlon category of Hibs managers. Just once I'd like to see us go out, play attacking football and win a game at home 3 or 4 nil.

Ross job will be safe unless a Butcheresque collapse of form happens and to be honest I don't know if I can be arsed watching turgid football all the time and not getting wins

I'm bemused by the constant over reaction to all our games. We are third in the table playing some decent football in patches. With no fans all the games are flat.what are we expecting? Scottish football is not easy, if fans are paying to expect Barcelona style football they should just save their money and watch soap operas...would save a lot of misery...

[SHODAN]

It isn't the same watching the games on TV. Plenty to be distracted by if not much is happening.

[h1bs4life]

Scraped a few wins at the start of the season and papering over the cracks. Now that form has levelled out the weaknesses are beginning to show and I feel like we are a mid table side and that's probably where we will end up come the end of the season. The football is utterly brutal to watch which you can live with if winning games but once the wins dry up it becomes tiresome very quickly. Not to mention the derby defeat which was utterly unacceptable.

File Ross under the Fenlon category of Hibs managers. Just once I'd like to see us go out, play attacking football and win a game at home 3 or 4 nil.

Ross job will be safe unless a Butcheresque collapse of form happens and to be honest I don't know if I can be arsed watching turgid football all the time and not getting wins

Some of the football has been pretty crap but. I wouldn't file him same as Fenlon yet.
The results improved as soon as he took over and he had to deal with a lot of Heckys crap. Current conditions having helped either.
Win against Dundee would give us a lift.
Agree loosing derby semi final is unacceptable , if he had won that he would have loads of goodwill from the fans and recent performances wouldn't have been judged so harshly

[1875godsgift]

I'm bemused by the constant over reaction to all our games. We are third in the table playing some decent football in patches. With no fans all the games are flat.what are we expecting? Scottish football is not easy, if fans are paying to expect Barcelona style football they should just save their money and watch soap operas...would save a lot of misery...

Exactly mate, with the possible exception of both world wars, this is the most ****ed-up football season ever.

Anything could happen, just go with the flow and enjoy the ride! :thumbsup:

[Up The Bracket]

Not a feeling I often get with hibs.

I’m honestly unsure if it’s because we’re not able to attend the games or if it’s just the way we’ve been playing but I find myself quite bored actually watching us.

Like I said I’m not sure if it’s cause we’re constricted to watching it on tv or if it’s the dull & slow tempo we seem to be playing with.

Frustrating

Just to add, this is very much where I’m at so it’s reassuring to hear I’m not alone.

Think it’s a mixture of the awful style of play and the fact we can’t go but we are awful to watch even when we win it’s hardly exciting.

[Shrekko]

Can the ones complaining about our style of play pinpoint the other teams in the league, outside the Old Firm who are noticeably more attractive to watch?

Not saying the product is great - it's clearly not... but who'd have thought Scottish football with no crowds would look so bad on tv? Was anyone seriously expecting it to look good?

[basehibby]

Not a feeling I often get with hibs.

I’m honestly unsure if it’s because we’re not able to attend the games or if it’s just the way we’ve been playing but I find myself quite bored actually watching us.

Like I said I’m not sure if it’s cause we’re constricted to watching it on tv or if it’s the dull & slow tempo we seem to be playing with.

Frustrating

I don't find Ross' Hibs boring - there's plenty of exciting talent in the squad - thin though it undoubtably is. We've got exciting attacking players to play on each wing and a good quality first choice front pair. We have some good creative midfielders too. Of course you can never have enough quality but - let's be honest with ourselves, what we have at the moment is far from boring compared to some of the dirge we've had to endure over the years.

Ross seems to like playing a passing possession based game - building it from the back more often than not and I like that! It's a matter of taste I suppose but I like what he's trying to do. Of course it doesn't always work - but it has worked a lot more than it hasn't this season to date - exit from last season's cup notwithstanding - and that leaves us in a far from boring 3rd place with lots of twists and turns including two cups and a Jan window to come.

I'm disappointed not to get the 3 points tonight but I wasn't bored with the game and I'm not bored at all about our prospects for the season.

[JimBHibees]

I don't find Ross' Hibs boring - there's plenty of exciting talent in the squad - thin though it undoubtably is. We've got exciting attacking players to play on each wing and a good quality first choice front pair. We have some good creative midfielders too. Of course you can never have enough quality but - let's be honest with ourselves, what we have at the moment is far from boring compared to some of the dirge we've had to endure over the years.

Ross seems to like playing a passing possession based game - building it from the back more often than not and I like that! It's a matter of taste I suppose but I like what he's trying to do. Of course it doesn't always work - but it has worked a lot more than it hasn't this season to date - exit from last season's cup notwithstanding - and that leaves us in a far from boring 3rd place with lots of twists and turns including two cups and a Jan window to come.

I'm disappointed not to get the 3 points tonight but I wasn't bored with the game and I'm not bored at all about our prospects for the season.

Agree with all of this we do at least try and keep possession and move teams about. There are a lot of basic and frustrating mistakes though the weight of pass, misplaced passes trying to rush things and losing the ball which are annoying at times. Actually thought St Johnstone were good and that was them without Kerr Davidson and Conway three of their better players. We are starting to lose poor goals which isn't a good sign as the second on Saturday and both tonight should have been dealt with absolutely no idea what Porto was doing with the second goal when Spoony was able to walk through the middle of our defence. His rashness and impetuous decision making isn't helping at present. Hopefully Hanlon injury is not serious as he is our best defender and usually provides a composure in the middle of the defence. Wondering if the Gogic substitution is a sign of the manager getting a little annoyed with his recent performances as he really does put us under pressure when on the ball in the middle of the pitch. Ross summed it up well when he spoke of fine margins however we do need to get a few of these going our way as crucial part of the season.

[Dmas]

I'm bemused by the constant over reaction to all our games. We are third in the table playing some decent football in patches. With no fans all the games are flat.what are we expecting? Scottish football is not easy, if fans are paying to expect Barcelona style football they should just save their money and watch soap operas...would save a lot of misery...

If you want entertainment goto the cinema?

The style of play is a major concern for me, and my source for criticism of Ross’ management, I’ve posted before about raining it in to give the guy the fairest amount of time to right heckys wrongs but I just wish we could get even a glimpse of a decent footballing side and bar Livingston away at the start of the season we’re not seeing it.
I’m terrified of to catch Aberdeen we need to be Aberdeen attitude creeping in and I’m not wanting to watch S**** like that.
He was praised for good football at st.mirren and got success and a big move, it didn’t seem to transfer down to Sunderland and so far not here either it’s a worry.

[Steve20]

Not all teams are boring to watch, so blaming it on no fans is quite the excuse for the boring, uninspiring displays we put on.

We barely even win games anymore, so the boring football really shows now.

[calumhibee1]

Not all teams are boring to watch, so blaming it on no fans is quite the excuse for the boring, uninspiring displays we put on.

We barely even win games anymore, so the boring football really shows now.

2 wins in our last 7 is a real cause for concern and will quickly see us battling to stay in the top 6 if we don’t pick back up.

[Sir David Gray]

2 wins in our last 7 is a real cause for concern and will quickly see us battling to stay in the top 6 if we don’t pick back up.

It's not great although on the flipside, in the second round of fixtures so far, we are only 1 point off the number of points that we picked up against the same teams in the first round when I think most people accepted we did well.

For some reason St Johnstone at home has turned into a really difficult fixture for us in recent years. I'll start to worry if we don't beat the likes of Hamilton, St Mirren and Livingston.

[Onion]

We've been horrible to watch recently and the urge to switch off has been overwhelming. Far too easy to find more enjoyable things to do, even in longterm lockdown.

[broondog]

No fans is the reason I think. We would be playing better with a close to full ER every week. Most football is suferkg at the moment

[Heisenberg]

The stats would suggest we are scoring a good amount of goals and have also started shipping a few now too. I have certainly been bored by a few games this season but a few of our performances have also been good, pretty much the same as it would’ve been if fans were allowed in I think.

The draw last night wasn’t good enough and it’s a worry that we’ve started shipping such soft goals again after our good defensive start.

[Henderson2Del]

I genuinely don't enjoy watching us at all right now and I don't see it changing anytime soon.

I honestly thought that was utter garbage tonight, the lack of intensity, the dreadful passing, the kamikaze defending, the missing midfield - it was all dismal.

It's becoming all too familiar now and I don't have faith in Ross to change his play it safe attitude.

I think you are spot on. We are dull and lacking any excitement

[B.H.F.C]

I don't find Ross' Hibs boring - there's plenty of exciting talent in the squad - thin though it undoubtably is. We've got exciting attacking players to play on each wing and a good quality first choice front pair. We have some good creative midfielders too. Of course you can never have enough quality but - let's be honest with ourselves, what we have at the moment is far from boring compared to some of the dirge we've had to endure over the years.

Ross seems to like playing a passing possession based game - building it from the back more often than not and I like that! It's a matter of taste I suppose but I like what he's trying to do. Of course it doesn't always work - but it has worked a lot more than it hasn't this season to date - exit from last season's cup notwithstanding - and that leaves us in a far from boring 3rd place with lots of twists and turns including two cups and a Jan window to come.

I'm disappointed not to get the 3 points tonight but I wasn't bored with the game and I'm not bored at all about our prospects for the season.

I think there are a couple of exciting players there but we are far too reliant on them. And there are a couple of strikers who will score goals but their service is limited, because we’re relying too much on one or two players to create for them. Not sure about the creativity you see in the middle of the park, they have created and scored very few goals between them from that area of the pitch.

It was fine when it was working more than it wasn’t. Now, it’s not though. I the opening part of the season I didn’t think we were brilliant but I thought we had something to build on and the performances would come. It concerns me that we seem to be going the other way.

[Clarence]

I think the lacklustre semi (no Frankie Howard jokes please) has had an effect on how we feel. Hopefully things click back into place and we start to play with a bit of spark again and cutting edge again. I feel that we are missing a leader on the park who can keep there head, calm things down and play some composed football.

[Phil MaGlass]

Feel the same here.

Can’t explain why as I like Jack Ross and the majority of the squad are decent.

Results for the most part have been good but we’re boring as hell to watch and half the time I find myself doing something else whilst the game is on. Usually I’d be fully engrossed in the game with no distractions.

Rarely read any match reports or watch any highlights and only really keep an eye on here for any news.

Everything about the club just feels flat.

This post is exactly where I am ay the moment. Im hoping Boyle finds his game shoes and the team wake up before games with a bit of energy and a " lets get ****ing intae thum" attitude.

[Andy74]

I've seen some boring Hibs teams in my time and plenty teams that have played awful football.

This team just isn't one of those and I'm surprised at the amount of times these things are now being repeated.

As for the season, it wasn't too long ago we were convinced that we were going to have to sell Boyle and Porteous to survive and we were going to be ditching the Academy and making most of our coaches redundant. Instead we have been able to sign the likes of Nisbet and Magennis for cash. I'm just going to enjoy it as much as I can from home before we really get back into it next year. We are pretty much where I would hope we would be and I fully expect us to be thereabout for getting probably 4th place which in any recent measure is pretty good for us.

We are trying to play the right way, doesn't always work but there's no way this team are playing eye bleeding or boring football.

[Brightside]

People are just missing live games.

[GreenCastle]

I don’t think it’s just a Hibs issue. Speak to Aberdeen fans at the moment and they aren’t exactly loving McInnes.

Celtic fans want Lennon out.

The only teams fans in Scotland right probably happy are Rangers, probably Hearts as they are winning games / won the semi (though still in Championship) and Dunfermline fans.

Hibs overall have improved from previous season.

I think the frustration comes in several forms. We know the quality of the league isn’t great and we should be really putting a challenge for 3rd. A home draw feels like a defeat last night. We have struggled for a long time against Aberdeen and as mentioned the semi final hangover which so many wanted to win.

The team style has improved from where Hecky left us. I think though we still need more creativity. Our most creative player is not playing. As much as I love SA I don’t think he’s still the answer. He hasn’t been in great form for a while. Of course an on form SA is unplayable at times.

Boyle - since he signed his new contract he’s not as consistent as previously. Does he play better with Gray behind him? Is he getting told different instructions to previously?

Murphy - glad he’s coming onto form as we have needed something from the left for a few seasons.

The midfield - well its clear we are still missing an energetic player in there who is comfortable on the ball. McCrorie or Doherty would have been that player but instead we have KM who is coming back from a long term injury. He was thrown into the action far too fast.

The back line..well as much as I like a few of them - no coincidence we lose similar goals as we are playing similar players. My worry is opposition players know our players well enough now to identify how to score against us.

McGinn and Marciano have definitely been positives recently - both hit form.

We need Doidge back on form..more in central midfield..Boyle to step it up. Get back to less goals against to give us a better platform.

I still like Ross but we need to address this in January or we will be 4th or lower.

We seriously need to improve our Derby record and start taking more points from Aberdeen too. These failings would help get fans on board. We are under dogs in both games and should use this to our advantage. Over confidence has led to several big falls.

Finally the part about people checking phones..it’s common in life and even at stadiums..won’t change anytime soon.

We are saturated with so much footy on tv / online etc so no co-incidence a sub standard Hibs game (which we can’t win- when we are expected to) against average opposition isn’t getting many out their seat. I would still rather watch Hibs than the corporate EPL etc where many teams have lost an identity. Keep the faith folks..we will be back to watching the team sooner rather than later and we all know there are many a average games in Scottish football ! Be careful what we wish for as we need a manager who can build the whole club over time. A change again isn’t the way forward.

[Alfred E Newman]

I didn't like the way the team was set up last night with 1 up front, a clutter of midfield players and the long ball second ball stuff that we seem to favour. Not a great watch and unfortunately St Johnstone picked up most of the second balls.

[Pagan Hibernia]

Definitely a lingering malaise over the Hibs support since Hampden. That, and being played off the park at home by the maroon relegation fodder in March has done Jack Ross absolutely no favours.

we had a huge chance to return the feel good factor on Saturday against a terrible Celtic but, in true Hibs tradition, we pished that against the wall too. Another winnable home game last night, more points dropped.

I absolutely believe JR is the right man for the job but it’s not fun at the moment.

[Henderson2Del]

I've seen some boring Hibs teams in my time and plenty teams that have played awful football.

This team just isn't one of those and I'm surprised at the amount of times these things are now being repeated.

As for the season, it wasn't too long ago we were convinced that we were going to have to sell Boyle and Porteous to survive and we were going to be ditching the Academy and making most of our coaches redundant. Instead we have been able to sign the likes of Nisbet and Magennis for cash. I'm just going to enjoy it as much as I can from home before we really get back into it next year. We are pretty much where I would hope we would be and I fully expect us to be thereabout for getting probably 4th place which in any recent measure is pretty good for us.

We are trying to play the right way, doesn't always work but there's no way this team are playing eye bleeding or boring football.

In your opinion it isn’t eye bleeding, many many others are finding it boring dull and eye bleeding.

The club have done very well to get where we are in a pandemic, it’s time for the players to step up and be winning these games.

The better we get through the season the more chance we have of selling seasons tickets in good numbers for next year and try and kick on more.

[GreenCastle]

Definitely a lingering malaise over the Hibs support since Hampden. That, and being played off the park at home by the maroon relegation fodder in March has done Jack Ross absolutely no favours.

we had a huge chance to return the feel good factor on Saturday against a terrible Celtic but, in true Hibs tradition, we pished that against the wall too. Another winnable home game last night, more points dropped.

I absolutely believe JR is the right man for the job but it’s not fun at the moment.

100% agreed.

[danhibees1875]

I don't think we're boring, I'm just bored of watching football on TV.

I rarely watched football on TV as I wasn't particularly interested in any other teams/competitions other than Hibs and with Hibs I'd be at the game or we'd not be on TV to watch anyway.

The first few games back this season I was all for it, gave it my full attention and could have a couple of drinks and snacks while watching - a bit of a fun football experience. Now it's put on to check what's happening while doing other things, more out of an inner obligation due to how much I paid for a season ticket.

Roll on the vaccine and getting back into the swing of a normal matchday.

[The Harp Awakes]

They say one player doesn't make a team and while that's correct, I think a big part of our woes just now can be attributed to Martin Boyle's poor form.

We went through a similar spell last season when Martin had a long term injury. Our form then recovered dramatically when he returned to the side and played brilliantly for a spell.

The other factor causing our recent poor form and lack of bite is a docile midfield which lacks creativity.

In Boyle and Murphy we have direct players who are great to watch in full flow. The problem is when a winger is starved of the ball he is like a man short. For wingers to be effective, you need a dynamic and hard working midfield who can win the ball regularly and feed them. Our midfield is not good enough sadly and the default route is docile passing across the park and often backwards, which is not pleasing on the eye.

This is a gift for the opposition, like last night where St J repeatedly ghosted past our players as if they were not there. Murphy has looked more lively recently but only by having to come deep for the ball.

That's 2 transfer windows now we have failed to recruit properly in the midfield area. Until we do I think we are in for more of the same unfortunately.

[Brightside]

Can the ones complaining about our style of play pinpoint the other teams in the league, outside the Old Firm who are noticeably more attractive to watch?

Not saying the product is great - it's clearly not... but who'd have thought Scottish football with no crowds would look so bad on tv? Was anyone seriously expecting it to look good?

Good qn. I cannot think of anyone.... and tbh Celtic fans currently hate their style of football. StJ on a run of good form but its based on workmanlike football.

[Brightside]

Someone also mentioned Hearts fans being happy. Well i know a few who said the game last night was totally dull and back to the Neilson style football they hated when he was there the last time.

[Fergus52]

Not all teams are boring to watch, so blaming it on no fans is quite the excuse for the boring, uninspiring displays we put on.

We barely even win games anymore, so the boring football really shows now.

From what I've seen there's no teams in the league outside of the old firm playing more entertaining football than us.

Who were you thinking of?

[Keith_M]

St Johnstone manager Callum Davidson: "When you go 2-1 up with 20 minutes to go, you're hoping to see the game out. Hibs played some really good stuff. I think at stages we both played well, we both defended poorly, very similar."

BBC (https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/54671305)

[Fogzie]

They say one player doesn't make a team and while that's correct, I think a big part of our woes just now can be attributed to Martin Boyle's poor form.

We went through a similar spell last season when Martin had a long term injury. Our form then recovered dramatically when he returned to the side and played brilliantly for a spell.

The other factor causing our recent poor form and lack of bite is a docile midfield which lacks creativity.

In Boyle and Murphy we have direct players who are great to watch in full flow. The problem is when a winger is starved of the ball he is like a man short. For wingers to be effective, you need a dynamic and hard working midfield who can win the ball regularly and feed them. Our midfield is not good enough sadly and the default route is docile passing across the park and often backwards, which is not pleasing on the eye.

This is a gift for the opposition, like last night where St J repeatedly ghosted past our players as if they were not there. Murphy has looked more lively recently but only by having to come deep for the ball.

That's 2 transfer windows now we have failed to recruit properly in the midfield area. Until we do I think we are in for more of the same unfortunately.

The problem with the midfield is that we are to deep. we are missing Scotty in that number 10 role, someone who receives the ball 30 yards further up the park. Mallan can play there but at the moment , he is too deep. To give credit to STJ last night, they played us well. They stopped the supply to Boyle and when he did get it , there were 2 players on him. That should have freed up one of our midfielders , but they were not up the park far enough.

[lucky]

Football on the PC is crap, it’s bearable when you pick up a dodgey stream when away at the Old Firm on a Saturday when you can’t get a ticket. The lack of fans is making it awful viewing. After the Hibs game was finished I started waiting Man Utd but got bored with it. We need fans back in the ground. There’s no way 11000 or so Hibs fans will cough up £400plus for another season of this. JR is doing ok we are competing for third but the football is not great our CHs have went right of the boil in recent weeks. I still don’t think we are over the latest Hampden capitulation as a club

[Coco Bryce]

Me and the 5 guys I sit with are delighted we ain't sitting in the stadium watching this turgid football on show.

Actually nodded off at one point during the 1st half last night.

[calumhibee1]

St Johnstone manager Callum Davidson: "When you go 2-1 up with 20 minutes to go, you're hoping to see the game out. Hibs played some really good stuff. I think at stages we both played well, we both defended poorly, very similar."

BBC (https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/54671305)

I think that’s easier to say when you’ve just taken a point away from home and possibly deserved more against a team with a budget 2 or 3 times yours.

A bit like when we go to the OF away and get a result. Comparatively they’ve probably actually not been much worse than us. But by the level they should be at they’ve probably been humpty.

[Keith_M]

I think that’s easier to say when you’ve just taken a point away from home and possibly deserved more against a team with a budget 2 or 3 times yours.

A bit like when we go to the OF away and get a result. Comparatively they’ve probably actually not been much worse than us. But by the level they should be at they’ve probably been humpty.


You're determined to be a right miserable git just now, Calum.

:na na:

[calumhibee1]

You're determined to be a right miserable git just now, Calum.

:na na:

:greengrin

I know, I don’t think watching on tv helps. Would probably be a bit more exciting if we were physically there to be fair.

[danhibees1875]

I think that’s easier to say when you’ve just taken a point away from home and possibly deserved more against a team with a budget 2 or 3 times yours.

A bit like when we go to the OF away and get a result. Comparatively they’ve probably actually not been much worse than us. But by the level they should be at they’ve probably been humpty.

Aye, you'd never catch us bemoaning a draw with Celtic. :duck:

[Keith_M]

:greengrin

I know, I don’t think watching on tv helps. Would probably be a bit more exciting if we were physically there to be fair.


Yep, then we could vent our frustrations at the players instead of posting it on here

:greengrin

[blackpoolhibs]

I've seen some boring Hibs teams in my time and plenty teams that have played awful football.

This team just isn't one of those and I'm surprised at the amount of times these things are now being repeated.

As for the season, it wasn't too long ago we were convinced that we were going to have to sell Boyle and Porteous to survive and we were going to be ditching the Academy and making most of our coaches redundant. Instead we have been able to sign the likes of Nisbet and Magennis for cash. I'm just going to enjoy it as much as I can from home before we really get back into it next year. We are pretty much where I would hope we would be and I fully expect us to be thereabout for getting probably 4th place which in any recent measure is pretty good for us.

We are trying to play the right way, doesn't always work but there's no way this team are playing eye bleeding or boring football.

Spot on, we have progressed as a team, and hopefully we can progress again each window. It appears there is no long term aaim now with some fans, either we win playing like Brazil or we are *****. The aim for any club is to get better, obviously some people want it quicker than others, but with everything that's happened in the last year or so, just having a team that's progressing and hopefully will get better season by season is good enough for me. Hounding outanother manager, especially one who has improved us would be just wrong.

[Yorkshire HFC]

I don't think we're boring, I'm just bored of watching football on TV.

I rarely watched football on TV as I wasn't particularly interested in any other teams/competitions other than Hibs and with Hibs I'd be at the game or we'd not be on TV to watch anyway.

The first few games back this season I was all for it, gave it my full attention and could have a couple of drinks and snacks while watching - a bit of a fun football experience. Now it's put on to check what's happening while doing other things, more out of an inner obligation due to how much I paid for a season ticket.

Roll on the vaccine and getting back into the swing of a normal matchday.

Yes - there's no connection with the players or the team when you can only watch on tv. Might as well be supporting Man City, Real Madrid or Juventus - it doesn't mean anything.

[Shrekko]

Not all teams are boring to watch, so blaming it on no fans is quite the excuse for the boring, uninspiring displays we put on.

We barely even win games anymore, so the boring football really shows now.

I'll ask the question again- who are these more exciting teams I've not yet noticed in the SPFL? The opposition have been more responsible for the boredom than Hibs in the games i've watched. We've also hammered a couple of teams.

[Carheenlea]

I don't think we're boring, I'm just bored of watching football on TV.

I rarely watched football on TV as I wasn't particularly interested in any other teams/competitions other than Hibs and with Hibs I'd be at the game or we'd not be on TV to watch anyway.

The first few games back this season I was all for it, gave it my full attention and could have a couple of drinks and snacks while watching - a bit of a fun football experience. Now it's put on to check what's happening while doing other things, more out of an inner obligation due to how much I paid for a season ticket.

Roll on the vaccine and getting back into the swing of a normal matchday.

You’ve summed up exactly how I feel with this :agree:

What has really hit home during all this is the realisation that I don’t particularly like football that much and care little for it. Hibs excepted of course, and I’d normally be at every home game and most away, looking forward to them weeks in advance and getting excited about big games, worrying about ticket scrambles and generally feeling 100% engaged with it all.

I have no idea who we play next or if it’s home or away. Strange times indeed.

[Smartie]

I’m not unhappy with the quality of football and I don’t find it boring. I wouldn’t dream of telling anyone else they should be entertained though - if you don’t like it, you don’t like it.

If “boring” or “negative” were appropriate, it might have been what would have happened last night had Nisbet, Newell or Murphy’s chance had gone in. We’d probably have sat back defending, and I don’t always love that.

Leaving yourself wide open isn’t always easy on the eye but Ross took a real gamble going forward last night to try to win the extra 2 points.

I wonder how much more entertaining it might have been at 3pm on a Saturday, watching it in the ground with a couple of pints pre-match and your mates with you?

Bottom line is, as tough a nut to crack as St Johnstone are and as long as it has been since we last beat them, a 2-2 home draw with them is never really going to make us happy. We expect to win and anything short of that is a disappointment.

[flash]

Me and the 5 guys I sit with are delighted we ain't sitting in the stadium watching this turgid football on show.

Actually nodded off at one point during the 1st half last night.

Seriously? You are glad you aren't there? Might be time to find alternative interests.

[Shrekko]

Spot on, we have progressed as a team, and hopefully we can progress again each window. It appears there is no long term aaim now with some fans, either we win playing like Brazil or we are *****. The aim for any club is to get better, obviously some people want it quicker than others, but with everything that's happened in the last year or so, just having a team that's progressing and hopefully will get better season by season is good enough for me. Hounding outanother manager, especially one who has improved us would be just wrong.

100 percent on the money. It does seem though that some fans are constantly sharpening their knives. Ross Jack is an excellent boss who will keep improving us if he's given the tools.

[ozhibs]

I agree.



I know this won’t be popular and I know it’s ridiculous but I’m not sure I’ve forgiven this side for the semi final loss yet. It’s not a conscious decision I’ve made to be like this, I’ve just lost interest in Hibs games since that match.

I agree with you, I have not bothered to get up and watch since the semi

GGTTH

[B.H.F.C]

Spot on, we have progressed as a team, and hopefully we can progress again each window. It appears there is no long term aaim now with some fans, either we win playing like Brazil or we are *****. The aim for any club is to get better, obviously some people want it quicker than others, but with everything that's happened in the last year or so, just having a team that's progressing and hopefully will get better season by season is good enough for me. Hounding outanother manager, especially one who has improved us would be just wrong.

To be fair, I don’t think there are many folk wanting to hound the manager out.

I’m not particularly enjoying watching us just now but I agree we are in a better place than we were a year ago. I also agree Ross should have the opportunity to progress us further. We need to turn our form around fairly sharpish and build on the promising start we had this season though.

[Pagan Hibernia]

I honestly feel there’s very small fractions that are turning what could be a great season into a very mediocre one.

nisbet sticks that penalty away at hampden and we’re laughing. Hanlon makes even a half decent clearance on Saturday and the feel good factor continues. Not much JR could do about either of those.

We’d be properly buzzing, looking forward to a cup final that, with Celtic in the form they’re in, we’d have a very reasonable chance of winning.

such is life, such is football.

[Keith_M]

100 percent on the money. It does seem though that some fans are constantly sharpening their knives. Ross Jack is an excellent boss who will keep improving us if he's given the tools.


Not as good as Jack Ross.

[Andy74]

Yes - there's no connection with the players or the team when you can only watch on tv. Might as well be supporting Man City, Real Madrid or Juventus - it doesn't mean anything.

I don't agree with that. I'll connect with with Hibs and care about the result whatever way I have to watch it.

[easty]

Yes - there's no connection with the players or the team when you can only watch on tv. Might as well be supporting Man City, Real Madrid or Juventus - it doesn't mean anything.

Nope.

[Greenworld]

Not as good as Jack Ross.[emoji23][emoji23][emoji23]

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[500miles]

Games would be a lot more entertaining as Hibs supporters if we had a bit more energy in midfield. We don't press the opposition effectively , so we don't dominate the centre of the pitch.

I think we need that, I think Magennis has that and I would like another player in January that has that too.

Without wanting to turn into St Mirren, the only player I can think of standing out against us in that respect is Ethan Erhahon, who is out of contract at the end of the season. Given our abundance of technical attacking mids, I wonder if we could tempt them with Mallan in January.

[Lago]

Not a feeling I often get with hibs.

I’m honestly unsure if it’s because we’re not able to attend the games or if it’s just the way we’ve been playing but I find myself quite bored actually watching us.

Like I said I’m not sure if it’s cause we’re constricted to watching it on tv or if it’s the dull & slow tempo we seem to be playing with.

Frustrating
Agree with you on both points, I stopped watching last night at half time. The other problem is that some fans may just drift away over the season & not return.

[calumhibee1]

Games would be a lot more entertaining as Hibs supporters if we had a bit more energy in midfield. We don't press the opposition effectively , so we don't dominate the centre of the pitch.

I think we need that, I think Magennis has that and I would like another player in January that has that too.

Without wanting to turn into St Mirren, the only player I can think of standing out against us in that respect is Ethan Erhahon, who is out of contract at the end of the season. Given our abundance of technical attacking mids, I wonder if we could tempt them with Mallan in January.

The lack of energy in the centre is by a country mile the biggest bug bear I have with this team. We’ve a painfully un-athletic centre midfield.

[scoopyboy]

I've seen some boring Hibs teams in my time and plenty teams that have played awful football.

This team just isn't one of those and I'm surprised at the amount of times these things are now being repeated.

As for the season, it wasn't too long ago we were convinced that we were going to have to sell Boyle and Porteous to survive and we were going to be ditching the Academy and making most of our coaches redundant. Instead we have been able to sign the likes of Nisbet and Magennis for cash. I'm just going to enjoy it as much as I can from home before we really get back into it next year. We are pretty much where I would hope we would be and I fully expect us to be thereabout for getting probably 4th place which in any recent measure is pretty good for us.

We are trying to play the right way, doesn't always work but there's no way this team are playing eye bleeding or boring football.

Agree with all of that Andy.

It's not so long ago folks were saying after wins away to Dundee Utd and St.Johnstone how great it was to win and we would have lost these games under other managers. Now the same people are saying it is boring.

I don't think Hibs are bad and certainly better than last season when fans were present. Lots have short memories, I can remember games from last season when we were awful at Easter Road.

I try to enjoy it in the house but it's nowhere near the same as being at the game. It's not just fans though, players, managers, officials and journalists all find it difficult and think the same.

I'm hoping that we will pick up more points shortly, in the second set of fixtures we still have to play St.Mirren, Ross County, Livingston and Dundee United at home and Motherwell, Hamilton and Rangers away. Some people are pointing out that Dundee Utd are getting near us but they still have to play Rangers, Celtic, Aberdeen, Motherwell and Kilmarnock for a second time.

Hang in there folks, better times ahead.

[500miles]

The lack of energy in the centre is by a country mile the biggest bug bear I have with this team. We’ve a painfully un-athletic centre midfield.

Under Lennon we signed a lot of technically gifted players, but not enough athletes. I think he believed he could turn them into competitors. Horgan, Swanson, Mallan, Allan, Hyndman, Commons, all midfielders who can't do 90 minutes. He's got the same problem at celtic now in my opinion. The legacy is still here though.

[oneone73]

Agree with all of that Andy.

It's not so long ago folks were saying after wins away to Dundee Utd and St.Johnstone how great it was to win and we would have lost these games under other managers. Now the same people are saying it is boring.

I don't think Hibs are bad and certainly better than last season when fans were present. Lots have short memories, I can remember games from last season when we were awful at Easter Road.

I try to enjoy it in the house but it's nowhere near the same as being at the game. It's not just fans though, players, managers, officials and journalists all find it difficult and think the same.

I'm hoping that we will pick up more points shortly, in the second set of fixtures we still have to play St.Mirren, Ross County, Livingston and Dundee United at home and Motherwell, Hamilton and Rangers away. Some people are pointing out that Dundee Utd are getting near us but they still have to play Rangers, Celtic, Aberdeen, Motherwell and Kilmarnock for a second time.

Hang in there folks, better times ahead.

Wish there was a like button.

[scoopyboy]

Wish there was a like button.

Thank you kind sir.

[Coco Bryce]

Seriously? You are glad you aren't there? Might be time to find alternative interests.

'We' I said.

Can you recommend anything that's entertaining?

[flash]

'We' I said.

Can you recommend anything that's entertaining?

Maybe watch a team that's scored 8 goals in their lastc3 games?

[J-C]

We drew with Rangers by pressing high but for some reason never do it often enough against other teams, we have inconsistent players and one of the reasons they're here and not at a bigger club. Players dont move to give options, so it ends up lumped forward to Doidge or Nisbet who'll lose the aerial battle and we lose the ball. We also lack creativity, we were spoiled by having McGinn, Dylan and Allan and although we've tried, we can't get near that quality again.

[ABZHFC]

As others have said, it truly is not being there that is boring me. Football is all about the day out, I’ve gone to bed after defeats feeling better about Hibs than I did last night. It’s not that I blame the club, I don’t think there’s much they can do, I just think it’s a total apathy on my behalf as the whole thing feels a bit like a TV show, I feel totally removed from it.

Hopefully we finish as high as possible this season and then the excitement kicks in again once we’re allowed back into stadiums (and I mean properly, none of this reduced capacity, no singing pish)

For what it’s worth though, don’t think this Hibs team are particularly boring to watch, seen much, much worse in my time going to matches

[calumhibee1]

Under Lennon we signed a lot of technically gifted players, but not enough athletes. I think he believed he could turn them into competitors. Horgan, Swanson, Mallan, Allan, Hyndman, Commons, all midfielders who can't do 90 minutes. He's got the same problem at celtic now in my opinion. The legacy is still here though.

Yup. We’ve had the same issue since the midfield Stubbs assembled. It needs rectified ASAP. 3 managers so far haven’t managed. Having legs in midfield is a necessity in Scotland.

[B.H.F.C]

Yup. We’ve had the same issue since the midfield Stubbs assembled. It needs rectified ASAP. 3 managers so far haven’t managed. Having legs in midfield is a necessity in Scotland.

This probably goes against general opinion, but I think we do have legs in the middle of the park. Gogic, isn’t really what I expected to be honest. He doesn’t just sit which I thought he would, he’s all about the pitch. Newell gets about the pitch as well.

I think the bigger issue is footballing ability. Nobody has the ability to take the ball from our centre halves and get us playing. We lack composure in the middle of the park when we’re under pressure which results in too many rushed, misplaced passes like we saw last night.

[JimBHibees]

This probably goes against general opinion, but I think we do have legs in the middle of the park. Gogic, isn’t really what I expected to be honest. He doesn’t just sit which I thought he would, he’s all about the pitch. Newell gets about the pitch as well.

I think the bigger issue is footballing ability. Nobody has the ability to take the ball from our centre halves and get us playing. We lack composure in the middle of the park when we’re under pressure which results in too many rushed, misplaced passes like we saw last night.

Screaming out for a Dylan type player

[JimBHibees]

Agree with all of that Andy.

It's not so long ago folks were saying after wins away to Dundee Utd and St.Johnstone how great it was to win and we would have lost these games under other managers. Now the same people are saying it is boring.

I don't think Hibs are bad and certainly better than last season when fans were present. Lots have short memories, I can remember games from last season when we were awful at Easter Road.

I try to enjoy it in the house but it's nowhere near the same as being at the game. It's not just fans though, players, managers, officials and journalists all find it difficult and think the same.

I'm hoping that we will pick up more points shortly, in the second set of fixtures we still have to play St.Mirren, Ross County, Livingston and Dundee United at home and Motherwell, Hamilton and Rangers away. Some people are pointing out that Dundee Utd are getting near us but they still have to play Rangers, Celtic, Aberdeen, Motherwell and Kilmarnock for a second time.

Hang in there folks, better times ahead.

Totally agree

[500miles]

This probably goes against general opinion, but I think we do have legs in the middle of the park. Gogic, isn’t really what I expected to be honest. He doesn’t just sit which I thought he would, he’s all about the pitch. Newell gets about the pitch as well.

I think the bigger issue is footballing ability. Nobody has the ability to take the ball from our centre halves and get us playing. We lack composure in the middle of the park when we’re under pressure which results in too many rushed, misplaced passes like we saw last night.

Gogic is quite athletic, but his best asset is screening the defence and cutting out passes. I don't think we get the best out of him if he's operating in the opposition half.

Again, narrow and synthetic pitches, he'll swallow the opposition attack. If you're looking to press the opposition high up the pitch, or stretch a game on a big pitch, he won't be as effective. We had the same issue with Bartley.

[Smartie]

Screaming out for a Dylan type player

I agree, but I also think Dylan playing CM last night would have got incredibly frustrated at what was going on around him.

McGinn would have been more likely to have powered us through, a bit easy and trite to say something like that though.

[James Stephen]

Wish there was a like button.

Second that.

Dont understand what all the fuss is about - Hibs are clearly a work in progress (arent we always?) but are doing fine, and are about where id expect us to be at the moment.

As for great football, its nice to have an i enjoy it when we see it, but id take more pragmatic and more successful, a la Aberdeen.

[Lago]

Anyone that thinks Jack Ross's Hibs are boring, should have sat with me through years of Alex Miller's hibs.

[matty_f]

My own opinion is that there's been a massive over-reaction recently, obviously not helped by losing the semi and then a really poor performance in Aberdeen. I don't think we're anywhere near as bad as is being made out, and while I can't argue with people saying that they're bored, for me I put that down to watching games with literally no atmosphere on tv. I think if we'd watched that game last night with a crowd there and with us all in the stadium, we'd have a)seen a better performance and b) been happier with what we'd seen because we'd have gone through the highs and lows of the match with greater attachment.

Football in general is pretty guff at the moment, and without the highs of a significant victory the other results aren't giving much emotional satisfaction.

[WhileTheChief..]

Going over old ground but Miller built some decent teams in his time with us.

The Rangers semi before we won the cup was an amazing night, one of my favs as a Hibs fan, and in no way could be described as boring!

[Peevemor]

My own opinion is that there's been a massive over-reaction recently, obviously not helped by losing the semi and then a really poor performance in Aberdeen. I don't think we're anywhere near as bad as is being made out, and while I can't argue with people saying that they're bored, for me I put that down to watching games with literally no atmosphere on tv. I think if we'd watched that game last night with a crowd there and with us all in the stadium, we'd have a)seen a better performance and b) been happier with what we'd seen because we'd have gone through the highs and lows of the match with greater attachment.

Football in general is pretty guff at the moment, and without the highs of a significant victory the other results aren't giving much emotional satisfaction.As I posted last night, the results that don't go our way feel just as bad if not worse than normal, but we're not getting the same buzz/lift from the decent results.

[B.H.F.C]

My own opinion is that there's been a massive over-reaction recently, obviously not helped by losing the semi and then a really poor performance in Aberdeen. I don't think we're anywhere near as bad as is being made out, and while I can't argue with people saying that they're bored, for me I put that down to watching games with literally no atmosphere on tv. I think if we'd watched that game last night with a crowd there and with us all in the stadium, we'd have a)seen a better performance and b) been happier with what we'd seen because we'd have gone through the highs and lows of the match with greater attachment.

Football in general is pretty guff at the moment, and without the highs of a significant victory the other results aren't giving much emotional satisfaction.

Read a lot that football is generally poor at the moment, but I don’t see it that way. I’ve enjoyed watching the EPL on TV, there have been loads of good games this year. Generally, I’ve not noticed any difference in watching it on TV. The only team I’ve really noticed a difference with is us, purely because I’d normally be there.

I’m also not convinced fans in the ground would automatically mean a better performance. We’re in a better position than we are most of the time with fans present, even if I’m not particularly enjoying it.

[HibbiesandtheBaddies]

I honestly feel there’s very small fractions that are turning what could be a great season into a very mediocre one.

nisbet sticks that penalty away at hampden and we’re laughing. Hanlon makes even a half decent clearance on Saturday and the feel good factor continues. Not much JR could do about either of those.

We’d be properly buzzing, looking forward to a cup final that, with Celtic in the form they’re in, we’d have a very reasonable chance of winning.

such is life, such is football.

:agree:

[allmodcons]

Agree with all of that Andy.

It's not so long ago folks were saying after wins away to Dundee Utd and St.Johnstone how great it was to win and we would have lost these games under other managers. Now the same people are saying it is boring.

I don't think Hibs are bad and certainly better than last season when fans were present. Lots have short memories, I can remember games from last season when we were awful at Easter Road.

I try to enjoy it in the house but it's nowhere near the same as being at the game. It's not just fans though, players, managers, officials and journalists all find it difficult and think the same.

I'm hoping that we will pick up more points shortly, in the second set of fixtures we still have to play St.Mirren, Ross County, Livingston and Dundee United at home and Motherwell, Hamilton and Rangers away. Some people are pointing out that Dundee Utd are getting near us but they still have to play Rangers, Celtic, Aberdeen, Motherwell and Kilmarnock for a second time.

Hang in there folks, better times ahead.

Quality post SB. Pragmatism does not abound on these boards!

That said, I still think we are dreadfully short of energy in mid midfield.

I have no idea how good he is, but watching Kerr McInroy's performance for Dunfermline against Hearts brought home to me what we are missing in midfield. Drive, energy and enthusiasm.

Gogic is more defensive - a ball winner who breaks up play - but does not impress box to box and watching last night I'm not sure what Newell or Mallan offer. Newell isn't as good as he thinks he is and Mallan just does not look fit to me. Both are neat and tidy but more often than not look to play safe when they could be more offensive. There is a time and place for recycling the ball with your defenders but, for me, it shouldn't be the 'default' option for our central midfielders.

[DIXIHIBS]

Going over old ground but Miller built some decent teams in his time with us.

The Rangers semi before we won the cup was an amazing night, one of my favs as a Hibs fan, and in no way could be described as boring!
Got to agree that was an amazing night. Rangers had a team of superstars and we had not long been nearly killed off by mercer. Great night...keith,keith,keith.

[Brightside]

Again with the game tonight. Both teams. Workmanlike. Industrial football.

[allmodcons]

Going over old ground but Miller built some decent teams in his time with us.

The Rangers semi before we won the cup was an amazing night, one of my favs as a Hibs fan, and in no way could be described as boring!

That was a quality night no doubt but Alex Miller's record was, at best, mediocre and some of his teams and tactics brutally defensive.

He had 10 years at Hibs, nowadays, fans don't give Managers 10 months.

[Coco Bryce]

That was a quality night no doubt but Alex Miller's record was, at best, mediocre and some of his teams and tactics brutally defensive.

He had 10 years at Hibs, nowadays, fans don't give Managers 10 months.

Hibs fans never gave him 10 years. Douglas Crombe did 😉

Booing was guaranteed after most games.

Torturous.

[allmodcons]

Hibs fans never gave him 10 years. Douglas Crombe did 😉

Booing was guaranteed after most games.

Torturous.

Clydebank away in the Scottish Cup February 1987, one of the worst Hibs performances I have ever had the misfortune to witness.

[scoopyboy]

Clydebank away in the Scottish Cup February 1987, one of the worst Hibs performances I have ever had the misfortune to witness.

When I think of some of the teams I have personally witnessed putting us out the Scottish Cup I cringe.

Clydebank, Arbroath, Stirling Albion and Ayr United spring to mind.

[Peevemor]

When I think of some of the teams I have personally witnessed putting us out the Scottish Cup I cringe.

Clydebank, Arbroath, Stirling Albion and Ayr United spring to mind.East Fife (with Gordon Durie) first and foremost for me.

[green with envy]

Sitting comfortably in 4th spot, at a time where the players week in week out are playing to empty stadia, where football is generally boring at this time and yet there are stacks of Hibs fans that are willing to have a pop. Hibs.net is becoming a place of near hate for Hibs of late.:rolleyes:

[SHODAN]

Sitting comfortably in 4th spot, at a time where the players week in week out are playing to empty stadia, where football is generally boring at this time and yet there are stacks of Hibs fans that are willing to have a pop. Hibs.net is becoming a place of near hate for Hibs of late.:rolleyes:

The best one was on the matchday thread when some guy said there was a conspiracy from people with high post counts to say we're playing well en masse.

[bingo70]

Sitting comfortably in 4th spot, at a time where the players week in week out are playing to empty stadia, where football is generally boring at this time and yet there are stacks of Hibs fans that are willing to have a pop. Hibs.net is becoming a place of near hate for Hibs of late.:rolleyes:

It’s a Hibs forum to discuss Hibs related matters.

Surely how we are playing comes into that category?

[Keith_M]

It’s a Hibs forum to discuss Hibs related matters.

Surely how we are playing comes into that category?


:agree:



Everybody's entitled to their point of view

Everybody's entitled to criticise that point of view

Everybody's entitled to criticise those criticizing that point of view

Etc, etc.

[green with envy]

It’s a Hibs forum to discuss Hibs related matters.

Surely how we are playing comes into that category?

As I've already stated, we're sitting 4th top, not 4th bottom, but you'd never guess it eh.

There is far to much negativity on here, RE: the team & manager, it's getting beyond scary.

[The Modfather]

As I've already stated, we're sitting 4th top, not 4th bottom, but you'd never guess it eh.

There is far to much negativity on here, RE: the team & manager, it's getting beyond scary.

On any thread it’s usually a minority that are over the top with their negativity. Then there’s a handful of posters who seem hell bent on responding to every single one of those posts. That creates a bit of an echo chamber and dominates the thread IMO. The majority are somewhere in the middle.

I think we’re making progress but I also often find our style functional but boring. I imagine I’d feel much the same if I was watching the same games in person. League position is important but not the be all and end all. We’ve given Aberdeen grudging respect for their consistency yet also hammered them for the style they employ to achieve it,

[green with envy]

On any thread it’s usually a minority that are over the top with their negativity. Then there’s a handful of posters who seem hell bent on responding to every single one of those posts. That creates a bit of an echo chamber and dominates the thread IMO. The majority are somewhere in the middle.

I think we’re making progress but I also often find our style functional but boring. I imagine I’d feel much the same if I was watching the same games in person. League position is important but not the be all and end all. We’ve given Aberdeen grudging respect for their consistency yet also hammered them for the style they employ to achieve it,

Define boring and what games?...

I didn't find the games against Livingston, St Mirren, Hamilton, rangers, celtic (H), Kilmarnock (H&A) boring. There has been one or two away victories to add that weren't vintage performances but were more than acceptable performances to get those wins.

[The Modfather]

Define boring and what games?...

I didn't find the games against Livingston, St Mirren, Hamilton, rangers, celtic (H), Kilmarnock (H&A) boring. There has been one or two away victories to add that weren't vintage performances but were more than acceptable performances to get those wins.

Why do I have to define boring and specify what games? It’s simply an opinion, same as yours, neither are right or wrong.

[green with envy]

Why do I have to define boring and specify what games? It’s simply an opinion, same as yours, neither are right or wrong.

Why get so defensive?

I know it's your opinion for which I am genuinely interested in, as to how you came to that conclusion. Wasn't meant to be a pop.

[The Modfather]

Why get so defensive?

I know it's your opinion for which I am genuinely interested in, as to how you came to that conclusion. Wasn't meant to be a pop.

I thought saying we’d made progress but I often find our style (giving up the middle of the park when we only have 2 players in there) boring was about the nub of it. Not sure what else I can expand on.

[green with envy]

I thought saying we’d made progress but I often find our style (giving up the middle of the park when we only have 2 players in there) boring was about the nub of it. Not sure what else I can expand on.

Fairynuff. 👍

[basehibby]

I think the lacklustre semi (no Frankie Howard jokes please) has had an effect on how we feel. Hopefully things click back into place and we start to play with a bit of spark again and cutting edge again. I feel that we are missing a leader on the park who can keep there head, calm things down and play some composed football.

:top marksThis is a big influence on how people are seeing games right now I think. I've certainly been there before myself - being down on the team and despondent in the wake of a derby defeat. I was certainly gutted about it but for some reason my mood is more ebulient this time round. Maybe because the Yams are stuck in the league below - the thought of which makes me smile. More likely though because I genuinely like the look of our side at the moment and it makes me feel optimistic. I know we have had some poor results and performances this season but they have been outweighed by the good IMO. And that's because we have players like Boyle, Murphy, Nisbet and Doidge playing ahead of a committed and fairly settled defence. Even Mallan - much maligned in the wake of the St Js game - has a creative edge and is capable of very good performances. There's room for improvement as there always is but we are starting from a good place.

I reckon all sides have their bad patches and I think we're just emerging from one of them - but we have the character and talent in the squad to bounce back and I think we will.

[J-C]

I think recently playing 442 we have gone route one a lot due to having Doidge in the team with Nisbet, a midfield 2 means we don't see a lot of the ball and we're driven back too much, hence the big lumps up the park when there's no options for the defenders. Having the 3 in the middle means we play the ball on the deck, like most clubs on budgets we have a few players who re inconsistent, this also gives the impression of boring football when in fact the football is just crap.

[WeeRussell]

The world situation has 100% had a huge effect on feelings towards the games, and I can’t quite put my finger on why. Probably has got a lot to do with the disconnect having not been in the ground for so long.

It’s football in general. Both the derby and Scotland’s biggest game in years, I was no way near as pumped/nervous for either as I would have been 12 months ago.

Very very strange times.

[basehibby]

Spot on, we have progressed as a team, and hopefully we can progress again each window. It appears there is no long term aaim now with some fans, either we win playing like Brazil or we are *****. The aim for any club is to get better, obviously some people want it quicker than others, but with everything that's happened in the last year or so, just having a team that's progressing and hopefully will get better season by season is good enough for me. Hounding outanother manager, especially one who has improved us would be just wrong.

Great comment there - realistic and insightful - and positive as well from someone who I've never seen knowingly indulging in "Happy Clapping" :greengrin

[Forza Fred]

Maybe its because I don't have much of a life but getting up at 2am to watch Hibs live on the telly is still the highlight of my week, as it has been for years.

Disappointed when results don't go as we would like, but boring?

Never.

Perhaps the negative feelings are as a result partly of what Scotland is going through just now with everything else.

[Hibs90]

Perhaps the negative feelings are as a result partly of what Scotland is going through just now with everything else.

No, it's because we've been playing poorly in all bar two games this season, we lost a cup semi final, then followed that up with a dismal performance against Aberdeen (again).

Sitting 9th in the form table at present.

[Heisenberg]

No, it's because we've been playing poorly in all bar two games this season, we lost a cup semi final, then followed that up with a dismal performance against Aberdeen (again).

Sitting 9th in the form table at present.

We’ve played well in more than two games this season.

[Peevemor]

We’ve played well in more than two games this season.

You're wasting your time.

[Brightside]

Can we just get back to 352. 👍

[blackpoolhibs]

Great comment there - realistic and insightful - and positive as well from someone who I've never seen knowingly indulging in "Happy Clapping" :greengrin

When we sit 4th or better I'm clapping as much as anyone. 😁 What I won't do is get on the managers case when we are punching our weight, as we rarely do. 😭

[green day]

No, it's because we've been playing poorly in all bar two games this season, we lost a cup semi final, then followed that up with a dismal performance against Aberdeen (again).

Sitting 9th in the form table at present.

Which one?

Last 6 games it is
Rangers 18,
Celtic 11,
Motherwell 10,

then 5 teams on 9 points including us.

[hibbysam]

Which one?

Last 6 games it is
Rangers 18,
Celtic 11,
Motherwell 10,

then 5 teams on 9 points including us.

Sitting 4th in the only table that matters also. Form tables take into account who you’ve played during a small run of games, all teams go through ups and downs during a season, but the league table rarely lies about where you are sitting. Had yet another horrendous run of games including Celtic, Aberdeen away, Killie away, an Edinburgh derby, and it is only 7 and 8 games ago that we played Celtic and rangers back to back in the league. So in the last 10 league games we have played the champions twice, rangers once, Aberdeen twice, and killie away. That’s a solid run of fixtures for any club to go through, and thankfully now into a run between now and Boxing Day of far kinder fixtures.

[green with envy]

No, it's because we've been playing poorly in all bar two games this season, we lost a cup semi final, then followed that up with a dismal performance against Aberdeen (again).

Sitting 9th in the form table at present.

Deary me - More negativity.:blah:

[scoopyboy]

No, it's because we've been playing poorly in all bar two games this season, we lost a cup semi final, then followed that up with a dismal performance against Aberdeen (again).

Sitting 9th in the form table at present.

I would argue we are sitting 4th in the form table.

[Keith_M]

I would argue we are sitting 4th in the form table.


Plus a 100% record in the League Cup.

Let's hope we can keep that going tomorrow

[heretoday]

We are the draw kings.
Could be worse.

[Keith_M]

It's strange that people pick out different managers when talking about boring seasons with lots of draws but nobody ever mentions Eddie Turnbull, who actually holds the record.


Season 76-77

P-36, W-8, D-18, L10


Two seasons later we had 13 draws from 36 games.

[JimBHibees]

No, it's because we've been playing poorly in all bar two games this season, we lost a cup semi final, then followed that up with a dismal performance against Aberdeen (again).

Sitting 9th in the form table at present.

:faf::faf:

[Shrekko]

I would argue we are sitting 4th in the form table.

Exactly.

Shows how negative folk want to be when they're bringing up meaningless nonsense like a table from the last 6 games. We've had a fairly hard fixture list recently.

We will be 3rd or probably 4th come the end of the season which will be a decent effort.

Nobody yet has mentioned who the entertaining teams are in this league. We're still building but with players like Murphy, Boyle, and Nisbet I doubt we're boring compared to most.

[Hibs90]

:faf::faf:

Great, well thought out response that.:rolleyes:

It's not negativity, it's fact. Form is dropping, so are performances.

If form meant nothing then I guess we should have given Hecky more time eh?

Anyone who dares to go against the grain on here immediately gets rounded on for having a different opinion.

Beyond a joke at times.

[BSEJVT]

Great, well thought out response that.:rolleyes:

It's not negativity, it's fact. Form is dropping, so are performances.

If form meant nothing then I guess we should have given Hecky more time eh?

Anyone who dares to go against the grain on here immediately gets rounded on for having a different opinion.

Beyond a joke at times.

What utter nonsense

I am as down about Hibs at present as anyone but to say we are 9th on that basis is utter crap.

[matty_f]

Exactly.

Shows how negative folk want to be when they're bringing up meaningless nonsense like a table from the last 6 games. We've had a fairly hard fixture list recently.

We will be 3rd or probably 4th come the end of the season which will be a decent effort.

Nobody yet has mentioned who the entertaining teams are in this league. We're still building but with players like Murphy, Boyle, and Nisbet I doubt we're boring compared to most.

I definitely agree that posting that we’re 9th in the form table while offering no context (i.e. that we’re on the same points as a load of teams) is at best disingenuous.

[calumhibee1]

Exactly.

Shows how negative folk want to be when they're bringing up meaningless nonsense like a table from the last 6 games. We've had a fairly hard fixture list recently.

We will be 3rd or probably 4th come the end of the season which will be a decent effort.

Nobody yet has mentioned who the entertaining teams are in this league. We're still building but with players like Murphy, Boyle, and Nisbet I doubt we're boring compared to most.

Just because the other teams are potentially more boring it doesn’t mean we can’t be.

I’ve found us pretty boring. Knowing we’re not as boring as County, St Mirren or Motherwell doesn’t suddenly get me on the edge of my seat watching us play.

[matty_f]

Great, well thought out response that.:rolleyes:

It's not negativity, it's fact. Form is dropping, so are performances.

If form meant nothing then I guess we should have given Hecky more time eh?

Anyone who dares to go against the grain on here immediately gets rounded on for having a different opinion.

Beyond a joke at times.

That’s not true. Folk going against the grain have, by definition, unpopular opinions. When someone posts something that other people disagree with, the people who disagree post to say as much.

That’s not being rounded on.

In fact, the very idea that there’s folk waiting to shout down dissenting voices is absolutely absurd when you take a step back and see the sheer volume of “negative” posts on these forums.

[truehibernian]

Last season, 30 games played, 37 points

So far this season, 15 games played and 26 points.

A good December (with very winnable fixtures especially at home) sees us overtake the points tally for last season with plenty of the season remaining.

There is definite (and objective) progress under JR. Important to win games first, build on the way and style we win them as the season and transfer windows progress. Nisbet, McGinn, Gogic, and Murphy have been excellent additions, he's bringing the best out of Doidge, despite a couple of recent set backs Porteous is becoming a mainstay, and Mackie looks rejuvenated. Gullan and Doig will only improve with more game time and experience against better sides.

The most obvious disappointment was the Hearts game but that was a game we should have won on chances. The Aberdeen away game was the only game recently where the side deserved criticism, but that was on the back of the cup semi.

It's really important to remember there being no fans at games too. With good backing, this side has real potential and players can and will raise performances.

Overall, I'm encouraged - but I would like to see some real progress from youth development in certain positions, particularly midfield and central defence.

[greenpaper55]

The ultimate decision regards if we are boring or not will be when the ST sales come round again. If thousands desert the team then that will give a bit of an indication ! Personally when i was last at E R i was on my phone quite a lot checking other scores on my coupon, it was more exciting that what was on offer on the pitch.

[hibbysam]

Just because the other teams are potentially more boring it doesn’t mean we can’t be.

I’ve found us pretty boring. Knowing we’re not as boring as County, St Mirren or Motherwell doesn’t suddenly get me on the edge of my seat watching us play.

That’s your opinion. I don’t find us boring, our games are mostly open and attacking affairs, plenty goals, mistakes, chances, talking points. I’m bored mostly by sitting in the house watching on tele, I hate watching football on tele, no atmosphere. That’s not a slight on hibs though.

[HibeeHibernian4]

Likewise

Whilst league position wise we shouldn't be complaining I honestly find it difficult to sit and watch us just now. Must have spent big chunks of tonight just fannying about on my phone rather than watching the game. It's just dull as anything.

A lot of Hibs fans were on their phone constantly when watching Hibs at ER anyway so no change there. :greengrin

[1648]

Don’t think we r boring and after watching Hibs for over 50 years have seen a lot worse. We have a mixture of players some who may go on to play at a higher level and others who have peaked with us. I think what has been missing for a long time is a proper Captain or players with real character. For me our last “Captain” was Yogi. Apologies to SDG who will always be a Hibee legend.

[allmodcons]

November doesn't suggest that we are boring - 4 matches - 15 goals - 8 for and 7 against.

The last 3 matches, in particular, could not be described as boring. Nerve jangling at times but certainly not boring.

That said, we lack energy in central midfield and our decision making in the final third needs to be better. We have two really good wide players in Boyle and Murphy who have the ability to go past opposition defenders but, on occasions, just need to get their head up with the final ball.

[Iggy Pope]

By the way I’m so bored I cannot wait for tomorrow’s game. I’ll get agitated to **** again but that’s my opium I suppose.

[matty_f]

By the way I’m so bored I cannot wait for tomorrow’s game. I’ll get agitated to **** again but that’s my opium I suppose.

I’m with you on this one.

[bigwheel]

By the way I’m so bored I cannot wait for tomorrow’s game. I’ll get agitated to **** again but that’s my opium I suppose.

Lol. The football fans disease ...there’s always the next game :-). Will be a decent match I think ....

[Hibs90]

What utter nonsense

I am as down about Hibs at present as anyone but to say we are 9th on that basis is utter crap.

Another well thought out response. :aok:

8th (misread my apologies) in form table for the last 6 games due to goal difference, 9 points out the last 6 games. 3 wins out of the last 10 which is almost a third of the season.

That's a fact, so I'm not sure how that can be utter crap. It's a downward trend at present.

[Hibs90]

That’s not true. Folk going against the grain have, by definition, unpopular opinions. When someone posts something that other people disagree with, the people who disagree post to say as much.

That’s not being rounded on.

In fact, the very idea that there’s folk waiting to shout down dissenting voices is absolutely absurd when you take a step back and see the sheer volume of “negative” posts on these forums.

Aye, having every response to these opinions being "utter crap" or other well thought reasonable responses :aok:

[Pretty Boy]

I think a current form table is relevant in the sense that it gives a snapshot of a moment in time. Over the course of a season John Hughes had us finish 4th in the table. However if you looked at the form from February onwards that season there were all kinds of alarm bells ringing, as it was that form carried over into the following season and it went from a blip to a definite downward spiral.

However it's important current form is presented accurately and with some kind of context. Otherwise it becomes meaningless and is easily dismissed.

[hibbysam]

Another well thought out response. :aok:

8th (misread my apologies) in form table for the last 6 games due to goal difference, 9 points out the last 6 games. 3 wins out of the last 10 which is almost a third of the season.

That's a fact, so I'm not sure how that can be utter crap. It's a downward trend at present.

Everyone in the form table have played different teams so it’s utter pointless. In the ten games you quote we’ll have had the hardest run of anyone having played Aberdeen twice and the old firm 3 times. We are still clear in fourth and right up Aberdeen’s arse, and not far off Celtic either.

[JimBHibees]

Great, well thought out response that.:rolleyes:

It's not negativity, it's fact. Form is dropping, so are performances.

If form meant nothing then I guess we should have given Hecky more time eh?

Anyone who dares to go against the grain on here immediately gets rounded on for having a different opinion.

Beyond a joke at times.

Just nonsense all of it.

[Brightside]

Basically all the teams bar Rangers are boring right now. Can we agree and just close the thread.

[matty_f]

Aye, having every response to these opinions being "utter crap" or other well thought reasonable responses :aok:

That doesn’t make your point any more true. Folk disagree, just because they don’t articulate it well doesn’t mean they’re rounding on people.

[Hiber-nation]

Basically all the teams bar Rangers are boring right now. Can we agree and just close the thread.

That's about the first time I've ever agreed with anything you've said on here 😀

[WhileTheChief..]

We’re happy to enough to use recent form when it’s positive so don’t see the problem with highlighting it when things aren’t so great.

[matty_f]

We’re happy to enough to use recent form when it’s positive so don’t see the problem with highlighting it when things aren’t so great.

They’re no problem with it, the issue was calling us out as 9th in the form table when there were, i think, only 3 teams with more points than us in that table.

[Hibs90]

Just nonsense all of it.

It's not.

[Since452]

Could be losing to the likes of Dunfermline and Alloa. I'll take boring

[Iggy Pope]

Tell you what. We were crap. But Mrs Pope told me to shut the **** up on at least four occasions in the first 20 minutes in case the neighbours were alerted to exactly how bored I was becoming.

[green day]

Another well thought out response. :aok:

8th (misread my apologies) in form table for the last 6 games due to goal difference, 9 points out the last 6 games. 3 wins out of the last 10 which is almost a third of the season.

That's a fact, so I'm not sure how that can be utter crap. It's a downward trend at present.

I am afraid I have to pick you up on this. Form tables are based on points picked up over a specified number of matches, usually 6.

As I said to you yesterday, over these last 6 league games;
1st Rangers 18,
2nd Celtic 11,
3rd Motherwell 10,
4= Killie, St J, Dundee Utd, Aberdeen, Hibs all on 9 points

Bit in bold? goal difference, in a form table?

[Carheenlea]

I think in the light of every fan viewing streams as opposed to attending in person has led to an element of over analysis of our performances and the boredom is more having to settle for this avenue of viewing rather than the ritual of following Hibs throughout the course of a season.

I’m not suggesting we have been scintillating to watch, but looking back at today for example, a League Cup tie at Easter Road after the disappointment of losing a late lead against Celtic and dropping points against St Johnstone we battle our way to a narrow win against Dundee in a performance that improved in the second half and books our spot in the quarters. The team would have received an ovation at the end and everyone going home happy. The message board chat would pick up an hour or so after full time after the spectators return home and would be both positive and negative as it usually is, but an element of feel good factor would be prevalent.

What we have now is folk viewing every game from home and passing comment during it and immediately as full time goes there are grumbles about our style of play. Sat in the armchair I think we are more demanding in order to get us excited watching our team. Sat in our seats in Easter Road I think we are more forgiving.

My frustration is more not getting to go Hibs every other week more so than at Jack Ross, his style of play or the players.

[superfurryhibby]

I am afraid I have to pick you up on this. Form tables are based on points picked up over a specified number of matches, usually 6.

As I said to you yesterday, over these last 6 league games;
1st Rangers 18,
2nd Celtic 11,
3rd Motherwell 10,
4= Killie, St J, Dundee Utd, Aberdeen, Hibs all on 9 points

Bit in bold? goal difference, in a form table?

I’d call it someone clutching at straws in a desperate attempt to over-egg the negative pudding myself. Goal difference, fur the luv ae christ.

[blackpoolhibs]

While I have watched every game this season, and recently been pretty poor to watch at times, especially so yesterday. I am never bored of watching Hibs, frustrated yes but bored, never.

[Keith_M]

I actually didn't think yesterday was boring, as we (mostly) played well in the second half.

It was the horrendous finishing that spoiled it. I mean, seriously, professional footballers that continually miss the target?

[J-C]

While I have watched every game this season, and recently been pretty poor to watch at times, especially so yesterday. I am never bored of watching Hibs, frustrated yes but bored, never.


This sums it up, can't wait to see the games but I get so frustrated watching us. We can go from superb flowing football to passing back and forth and then a lump upfield to Doidge, wins become draws and 1-0 wins should be 5-0 because our shooting and final pass is pants.

[Phil MaGlass]

Just watched Everton v Leeds on replay tv, what a game that was, one of the best of the season, if you want to see non boring fitba, watch that

[basehibby]

This sums it up, can't wait to see the games but I get so frustrated watching us. We can go from superb flowing football to passing back and forth and then a lump upfield to Doidge, wins become draws and 1-0 wins should be 5-0 because our shooting and final pass is pants.

I fully agree Ross' Hibs can be frustrating to watch at times. I think that a lot of the reason behind that though is they are TRYING to play good football. It doesn't always come off though and that's when it gets frustrating.

The boring tag is not merited IMO but I suppose that's pretty objective. The team is usually trying to play a possession based game rather than playing the ball forward at the first opportunity. They are not bad at it but still plenty room for improvement and when moves break down or even when when the opposition just defend well, it can be frustrating to watch. When it comes together though I think the football can be pretty sexy - and the results so far merit pass marks - so definitely NOT boring.

[Peevemor]

The knights are fair drawing in...

[H18S NX]

To me,the football is so repetitive,passing squarely across the back humping the ball forward or the occasional diagonal,then the abysmal finishing and the increasing habit of not being able to find our own players with a pass is what's getting me down,all IMO I might add.

[hibbysam]

To me,the football is so repetitive,passing squarely across the back humping the ball forward or the occasional diagonal,then the abysmal finishing and the increasing habit of not being able to find our own players with a pass is what's getting me down,all IMO I might add.

Unfortunately that’s extremely likely to keep happening if we play 4 in the middle against a 5. It’s not really groundbreaking stuff, but we need our full backs higher, we need our centre half’s splitting, we need the midfield two showing and receiving, we then need our front 4 interchanging constantly. We are pretty rigid just now and I’m hoping that will change going forward. I still don’t find our games boring (I never watched yesterday), when we get the ball wide and forward we are pretty dynamic, and are often involved in higher scoring games.

For me at the moment having 4 across the middle means the options are limited, Newell will show but the opposition having a spare man results in him just bouncing it back to the defensive line, we can’t get it wide high up the park due to this so we go longer to Doidge. Plus we really, really miss Allan in the middle of the park drifting around. Even on his poorer days he occupies at least one player.

[J-C]

The knights are fair drawing in...


:rolleyes:
Give it a rest and act your age.

[Peevemor]

:rolleyes:
Give it a rest and act your age.

1 - It was a joke.
2 - I didn't start it and a few people have used the expression since yesterday (also in jest), but go ahead - have a pop at me.

[J-C]

1 - It was a joke.
2 - I didn't start it and a few people have used the expression since yesterday (also in jest), but go ahead - have a pop at me.


I'm having a pop because I thought all that nonsense was done with and the thread back on course and along you pop with a wee sarcastic dig, it's these things that make this site hard for people to keep coming to, whether you or someone lase started it is neither here nor there, it's bloody boring as hell.

[Peevemor]

I'm having a pop because I thought all that nonsense was done with and the thread back on course and along you pop with a wee sarcastic dig, it's these things that make this site hard for people to keep coming to, whether you or someone lase started it is neither here nor there, it's bloody boring as hell.

I think you need to calm down.

[J-C]

I think you need to calm down.


Haha, can you hear yourself mate, I'm sitting here watching Southampton v Man U very calm, just pointing out the fact that you're acting child like with your posts, get a grip FFS man.
Another on the ignore list I think, saves my sanity.

[Peevemor]

Haha, can you hear yourself mate, I'm sitting here watching Southampton v Man U very calm, just pointing out the fact that you're acting child like with your posts, get a grip FFS man.
Another on the ignore list I think, saves my sanity.

Yeah you're dead right.